McCain Lied-Hurricanes Destroyed 109 Oil Platforms: US Government

[webwarrior]

Sometimes liars are just liars...

McCain in his attempt to convince the American people that offshore drilling is a good and safe thing, has said that Hurricane Katrina did not substantially damage the oil industry. To this I say, BS!
Hurricane Katrina damaged or displaced an estimated 58 Gulf of Mexico oil platforms and drilling rigs, according to the American Petroleum Institute.
http://lobotero.wordpress.com/2008/08/07/oil-industry-damaged-by-katrina/


Hurricanes Destroyed 109 Oil Platforms: US Government
Washington (AFP) Oct 04, 2005
Hurricanes Katrina and Rita destroyed 109 oil platforms and five drilling rigs in the Gulf of Mexico, but only a small portion of production will be lost for good, the US government said Tuesday.
Rita accounted for most of the damage in a region that ordinarily produces nearly one-third of US crude oil imports, Interior Secretary Gale Norton said in presenting a preliminary assessment report.
Rita destroyed 63 platforms and one drilling rig when it tore through the region on September 24, she said. Katrina destroyed 46 platforms and four drilling rigs when it hit the Gulf at the end of August.
http://www.terradaily.com/news/energy-tech-05zzzzzzp.html

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Katrina+damages+oil+platforms&btnG=Search

Again, notice I gave sources...anyone with an ounce of integrity would do so..

[Trish]

I suppose I shouldn't point this out, but what the heck....

According to YOUR source, you are wrong and McCain is right. "Katrina" DIDN'T substantially damage the oil industry - "Rita" did more damage.....two different storms with Katrina having lesser impact on the oil platforms.

Also, according to YOUR source ...."but only a small portion of production will be lost for good..." Basic reading comprehension asserts that you are wrong again.....to be "substantially" damaged would require more than "a small portion of production" being lost forever.

[webwarrior]

TrishAccording to YOUR source, you are wrong and McCain is right. "Katrina" DIDN'T substantially damage the oil industry - I hate to point this out to but, McCain nor I ever said it did damage the industry, that's just an outright lie, show me my quote. Those aren't my words in the above article.
McCain said it never damaged a single "platform" or any rig, further he said we never spilled one drop of oil in the seas.. Nice try, what else ya got? (man you are desperate)

[lily]

Link (http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/18/mccain-rigs/)

McCain: Oil Rigs 'Very Successfully' Survived the Impact of Hurricanes»
Yesterday, Nancy Pfotenhauer, Sen. John McCain's (R-AZ) senior policy
adviser, claimed that she had been "misinformed" when she falsely stated
that Hurricanes Katrina and Rita "did not spill a drop of oil." Today,
McCain made another "misinformed" argument, claiming that oil rigs in the
Gulf of Mexico "have survived, very successfully, the impacts of
hurricanes":

Q: I've been listening to your comments around renewable resources -
solar, tide, and wind - you've talked a lot about that, but you keep
peppering your comments with offshore drilling. But I'm not sure what you
think the impact on our environment is based on that.

A: Keep the microphone. I'm aware that off the coast of Louisiana and
Texas there are oil rigs, as we well know, and those rigs have survived,
very successfully, the impacts of hurricanes - hurricane Katrina as far as
Louisiana is concerned.

McCain is wrong. According to press reports, Hurricanes Katrina and Rita
"tore through the Gulf of Mexico's offshore oil and gas fields, toppling
production platforms, setting rigs adrift and rupturing pipelines." The U.S.
Minerals Management Service reported that the hurricanes totally destroyed
113 offshore oil platforms.

The hurricanes cost Transocean, the largest offshore driller, "about $135
million in repairs, downtime and equipment upgrades" alone, and damage to
offshore producers accounted for 77 percent of the oil industry's storm
costs. One offshore rig, the Ocean Warwick, drifted 66 nautical miles before
running aground.

Here are some photos of the success that McCain is touting:

http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/oilrigs.jpg

[webwarrior]

thinkprogress.org — Yesterday, Nancy Pfotenhauer, McCain ’s senior policy adviser, claimed that she had been “misinformed” when she falsely stated that Hurricanes Katrina and Rita “did not spill a drop of oil.” Today, McCain made another “misinformed” argument, claiming that oil rigs in the Gulf of Mexico “have survived, very successfully, the impacts of hurricanes”

http://digg.com/politics/McCain_Lies_Again_About_Oil_Rigs_Surviving_Hurrica ne_Katrina

Opps, sorry lily, you beat me to the punch..duplicate post

[Trish]

TrishI hate to point this out to but, McCain nor I ever said it did damage the industry, that's just an outright lie, show me my quote. Those aren't my words in the above article.
McCain said it never damaged a single "platform" or any rig, further he said we never spilled one drop of oil in the seas.. Nice try, what else ya got? (man you are desperate)

You need to look up the definition of the word lie - somewhere, somehow you have been misinformed as to what it means!

But okay....I'll show you your quote.....

McCain in his attempt to convince the American people that offshore drilling is a good and safe thing, has said that Hurricane Katrina did not substantially damage the oil industry. To this I say, BS!

So sorry you DID say that. What was that about a lie? You know if you're going to change horses in mid-stream you should at least make sure the first horse isn't still hanging around for people to get a good look at.

[BoogyMan]

Yeah, you actually did claim it did damage to the oil industry in the first line of your OP.

McCain in his attempt to convince the American people that offshore drilling is a good and safe thing, has said that Hurricane Katrina did not substantially damage the oil industry. :madlaugh:

[Stoner]

Yeah, you actually did claim it did damage to the oil industry in the first line of your OP.

:madlaugh:

Oops! Better luck next time, WebWarrior.

http://cookingforbrevitt.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/03/19/thumbs_up.jpg

[webwarrior]

BoogyManYeah, you actually did claim it did damage to the oil industry in the first line of your OP.
That's not my op, it was a copy of the article with the link, those aren't my words. (again)
McCain did say
"that oil rigs in the
Gulf of Mexico "have survived, very successfully, the impacts of
hurricanes":
and

"that Hurricanes Katrina and Rita "did not spill a drop of oil."
So he's an undisputable liar period.

All of this sidestepping is just a silly deversion from the topic and you all know it, you can't face the truth, never have and never will.

[Stoner]

No amount of flip-flopping/backtracking is getting you out of this, WebWarrior. Good job!

http://eatourbrains.com/EoB/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/all-thumbs-up.jpg

[BoogyMan]

Again, Those aren't my words in that article

That is just precious ww.

You didn't disprove McCain's comment about the oil industry having survived successfully because some of their rigs were damaged ww, and you are falsely attributing a quote taken from Nancy Pfotenhauer to Senator McCain.

So, no, he isn't an "undisputable liar." You are the one making the allegations so you will need to show that the oil rigs in the gulf are the failure your "sources" claim they are by showing them to be just that, an overwhelming failure.

I can post a site that claims that there were aliens found at Roswell NM in the mid 20th century ww, but that doesn't make it true. Prove that Katrina and Rita showed the oil industry in the gulf did not successfully survive those hurricanes.

[Trish]

Again, Those aren't my words in that article and I proved with sources McCain did say
"that oil rigs in the
Gulf of Mexico "have survived, very successfully, the impacts of
hurricanes":
and

"that Hurricanes Katrina and Rita "did not spill a drop of oil."
So he's an undisputable liar period.

All of this sidestepping is just a silly deversion from the topic and you all know it, you can't face the truth, never have and never will.

You need to be a LOT more clear about what you're quoting and what are your own words. You also need to be a lot more diligent about what sources you use to back up things....because what was stated in your first source was discounted by what was said in the second and THAT was the point - you disproved your own theory by not being more diligent in the way you post.

Notice that no one is disputing that McCain was wrong in his statements. The only dispute is that the sources you used in the OP back up what you said later - and they don't.

*LOL* OKay - notice that "I" did not dispute the claim that McCain was wrong in his statements - the main dispute remains that your original sources do not back up your later assertions.

[BoogyMan]

Trish, I do dispute those statements, because only one was made by McCain, and it is debatable since there is no definitive argument showing that the oil industry in the gulf did not survive those storms. Damaged gear does not a failed industry make. No doubt there was a great deal of damage done, but I am struggling to see where that proves the gulf oil effort a failure to survive.

[Trish]

Trish, I do dispute those statements, because only one was made by McCain, and it is debatable since there is no definitive argument showing that the oil industry in the gulf did not survive those storms. Damaged gear does not a failed industry make.

I'm not disputing what McCain said or didn't say mainly because I hadn't gotten that far. I was stopped dead in the water with the OP's faulty sources and that's what I was pointing out.

[BoogyMan]

Since there were over 4000 rigs in the gulf prior to the Katrina/Rita storm season and roughly 165 platforms were damaged or destroyed that would be a little over 4% shutdown.

The year after the storms came through production was only down 12%.

http://www.terradaily.com/reports/Gulf_Oil_And_Gas_Output_Trails_Pre_Katrina_Product ion_999.html

Such figures quite handily show that 96% of the rigs in the gulf DID in fact survive and thrive.

McCain's comment was in fact, correct in light of these figures.

Pfotenhauer on the other hand, acknowledged her error and her comment did not in fact come out of McCain's mouth as was alleged.

[apdst]

McCain in his attempt to convince the American people that offshore drilling is a good and safe thing, has said that Hurricane Katrina did not substantially damage the oil industry.

Rita and Katrina, combined, didn't "substantially damage", the oil and gas industry. They tore up a buncha rigs, but the industry as a whole didn't suffer. I know from my end of the industry, we benefitted greatly. 2006 was the biggest year I've ever had in the oilfield.

Lily,

You found pics of ALL five drilling rigs that were destroyed. Kudos.

[webwarrior]

And not one dam source in any of your post to prove once ounce of your utter bullshit.

McCain did say there was no damage to a single rig and not one drop of oil spilled and until you post a source (likeI did)to prove different you'll be considered spinning and going off topic.

So anyway..after all the spinning and twisting words, it comes down to McCain is a liar (just like his supporters) man you guys are hilarious..I know for a fact you don't believe a word you typed.
Why is it so hard to just admit what the world knows?..it's O.K, try real hard, you can do it.

[tecoyah]

And not one dam source in any of your post to prove once ounce of your utter bullshit.

McCain did say there was no damage to a single rig and not one drop of oil spilled and until you post a source (likeI did)to prove different you'll be considered spinning and going off topic.

So anyway..after all the spinning and twisting words, it comes down to McCain is a liar (just like his supporters) man you guys are hilarious..I know for a fact you don't believe a word you typed.
Why is it so hard to just admit what the world knows?..it's O.K, try real hard, you can do it.


Likely he did not Lie, per se....he simply had no clue as to the truth.

There is a difference between deceit and ignorance...but both are easily cured by not speaking.

[Mouth Full Of Teeth]

Sorry, but I'm just not impressed by this whole thread. It's kind of like the tire pressure guage issue... Or, like "I was for the war before I was against it" by Kerry (or, was it the other way around? I forget). It seems that our media can only hold onto soundbytes. And, distorting reasonable platforms based on soundbytes by either side doesn't further the conversation. I hate to see DF folks be trapped into concentrating on soundbytes, as well...but if you look at these forums, it seems like half of the topics concentrate on just that.

[webwarrior]

Well sorry back at ya, but I'm not impressed with your off topic opinions, this isn't like the tire gauge scam and it isn't a sound bite. I gave several sources to support my facts unlike soundbites, which are just opinions without sources (like you guys)
McCain based his support on offshore drilling on the fact that it's so safe, not one rig was damaged during Katrina..an outright lie period.
Nice try, but you'll never discredit this thread with some spinjob or off topic word game, others have tried so far and have failed.
McCain is an outright liar, just like his drone Bush.

[BoogyMan]

And not one dam source in any of your post to prove once ounce of your utter bullshit.

McCain did say there was no damage to a single rig and not one drop of oil spilled and until you post a source (likeI did)to prove different you'll be considered spinning and going off topic.

So anyway..after all the spinning and twisting words, it comes down to McCain is a liar (just like his supporters) man you guys are hilarious..I know for a fact you don't believe a word you typed.
Why is it so hard to just admit what the world knows?..it's O.K, try real hard, you can do it.

Did you even read what I posted or click the SOURCE that I provided directly in the body of the post.

McCain's adviser Nancy Pfotenhauer made the "not one drop of oil" comment and has recanted, not McCain. As for McCain, storms that left untouched fully 96% of the rigs in the gulf proved Mccain's "rigs survived" commentary to be truthful.

READ the post webwarrior. I will link it for you so you don't have to even use your scroll bar.

http://www.democracyforums.com/showpost.php?p=234945&postcount=15

If that proves too strenuous, here is the source I provided and you ignored the first time around.

http://www.terradaily.com/reports/Gulf_Oil_And_Gas_Output_Trails_Pre_Katrina_Product ion_999.html

[BoogyMan]

Well sorry back at ya, but this isn't like the tire gauge scam and it isn't a sound bite.
McCain based his support on offshore drilling in the fact that it's so safe, not one rig was damaged during Katrina..an outright lie period.
Nice try, but you'll never discredit this thread with some cheap spinjob, others have tried so far and have failed.
McCain is an outright liar, just like his drone Bush.

Where is your source for McCain saying not one rig was damaged, webwarrior?

[webwarrior]

Oh, you must've missed the thousands of links I already posted, during your word games..see if you can read this one.
http://digg.com/politics/McCain_Lies_Again_About_Oil_Rigs_Surviving_Hurrica ne_Katrina.
Come on..you aren't serious, you'll never spin around the fact McCain based his offshore oil drilling scam on how the rigs survived Katrina, it was on every major news network, paper and blog on the net....oh yeah..still waiting for even one source for any of your bullshit you've been posting since I've joined this site.

So sad, McCain is a liar just like his clone Bush, pathetic!!

[apdst]

McCain did say there was no damage to a single rig and not one drop of oil spilled and until you post a source (likeI did)to prove different you'll be considered spinning and going off topic.

The oil that was spilled during Rita and Katrina was from onshore tank batteries. Offshore rigs have a contigency plan for hurricanes. The simply cap off the flow at the well head.

[webwarrior]

prove it.

[Wndrtch]

Sometimes liars are just liars...

McCain in his attempt to convince the American people that offshore drilling is a good and safe thing, has said that Hurricane Katrina did not substantially damage the oil industry. To this I say, BS!
Hurricane Katrina damaged or displaced an estimated 58 Gulf of Mexico oil platforms and drilling rigs, according to the American Petroleum Institute.
http://lobotero.wordpress.com/2008/08/07/oil-industry-damaged-by-katrina/


Hurricanes Destroyed 109 Oil Platforms: US Government
Washington (AFP) Oct 04, 2005
Hurricanes Katrina and Rita destroyed 109 oil platforms and five drilling rigs in the Gulf of Mexico, but only a small portion of production will be lost for good, the US government said Tuesday.
Rita accounted for most of the damage in a region that ordinarily produces nearly one-third of US crude oil imports, Interior Secretary Gale Norton said in presenting a preliminary assessment report.
Rita destroyed 63 platforms and one drilling rig when it tore through the region on September 24, she said. Katrina destroyed 46 platforms and four drilling rigs when it hit the Gulf at the end of August.
http://www.terradaily.com/news/energy-tech-05zzzzzzp.html

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Katrina+damages+oil+platforms&btnG=Search

Again, notice I gave sources...anyone with an ounce of integrity would do so..

LOL! You're funny!


McCain in his attempt to convince the American people that offshore drilling is a good and safe thing, has said that Hurricane Katrina did not substantially damage the oil industry. To this I say, BS!


Hurricanes Katrina and Rita destroyed 109 oil platforms and five drilling rigs in the Gulf of Mexico, but only a small portion of production will be lost for good, the US government said Tuesday

So, where's the lie? McCain said not "substantial" damage to the "oil industry", and the Gov said only a small portion is unrepairable.

Doesn't there have to be a purposeful un-truth for a lie to exist? :unreal:

[apdst]

Prove it

Ok.

Tank battery
http://www.katrinadestruction.com/images/d/24631-4/16kd056-oils-spill.jpg

Tank battey
http://www.katrinadestruction.com/images/d/7888-4/massive+oil+spill

Tank battery
http://www.katrinadestruction.com/images/d/15456-7/Nairn_2028SEP05_20_2_katrina-oil-spill.jpg

Tank battery
http://www.katrinadestruction.com/images/d/15607-4/BASS_20NORTH_201OCT05_20_2_katrina.jpg

Tank battery
http://www.katrinadestruction.com/images/d/15497-4/16kd059-st-bernard-parish

[webwarrior]

Uh Huh..sure. So noone can prove that McCain didn't say it..just like I thought.

[PostmodernProphet]

Uh Huh..sure. So noone can prove that McCain didn't say it..just like I thought.

wtf.....I think it's pretty obvious to everyone that you misrepresented his statements and can't back it up.....do you think requiring people to prove the negative makes you look less foolish?....... the Department of Mineral Management reported the following:

"out of 542 reported incidents of damage to underwater pipelines, 72 reported spillage of 1 barrel or more".....total pipeline spillage for Katrina was 2709 barrels......

total platform crude spillage for all damaged offshore drilling platforms was 2252 barrels

(see page 29 of this report)
http://www.mms.gov/tarprojects/581/44814183_MMS_Katrina_Rita_PL_Final%20Report%20Rev1 .pdf

compare this with the Valdez oil spill....which was 10.8 MILLION gallons of crude.....

[apdst]

Who's the troll now?

[webwarrior]

Gee, I hope you guys aren't getting upset with me, so anyway, just like I thought, no proof.

[PostmodernProphet]

Gee, I hope you guys aren't getting upset with me, so anyway, just like I thought, no proof.

it's bad enough you're a broken record, but it's worse when you are stuck repeating nothing but static.....there's no more reason to get upset with you than there is with any other poster who refuses to respond to the posts proving him wrong....

we have proven you have misrepresented McCain, we have proven there was insignificant damage to the offshore drilling program, we have proven there was no environmental damage due to oil spillage from offshore drilling.....what was it we haven't proved again?.....

[Stoner]

it's bad enough you're a broken record, but it's worse when you are stuck repeating nothing but static.....there's no more reason to get upset with you than there is with any other poster who refuses to respond to the posts proving him wrong....

we have proven you have misrepresented McCain, we have proven there was insignificant damage to the offshore drilling program, we have proven there was no environmental damage due to oil spillage from offshore drilling.....what was it we haven't proved again?.....

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[webwarrior]

:madlaugh::madlaugh::madlaugh::thumbsup:

[BoogyMan]

Oh, you must've missed the thousands of links I already posted, during your word games..see if you can read this one.
http://digg.com/politics/McCain_Lies_Again_About_Oil_Rigs_Surviving_Hurrica ne_Katrina.
Come on..you aren't serious, you'll never spin around the fact McCain based his offshore oil drilling scam on how the rigs survived Katrina, it was on every major news network, paper and blog on the net....oh yeah..still waiting for even one source for any of your bullshit you've been posting since I've joined this site.

This is so funny. Links and sources have been repeated in posts to you ww. The constant allegation that no sources have been provided are clearly a joke to anyone who READS the thread and can see that sources HAVE been posted. Sources requiring only simple math to disprove the allegation that McCain lied about survivability of the oil platforms in the gulf since 96% DID survive.

96%, ww. That sounds like a resounding success to me.

[webwarrior]

BoogyManSources requiring only simple math to disprove the allegation that McCain lied about survivability of the oil platforms in the gulf since 96% DID survive.
So then, by your own statement 4% didn't, which means McCain lied when he said not a single rig was damaged, thanks for proving my point...hey thanks for returning the rep..back at ya bud.
:lmao::madlaugh::thumbsup:

[BoogyMan]

BoogyManSo then ,by your own statement 4% didn't, which means McCain lied when he said not a single rig was damaged, thanks for proving my oint.

If McCain actually said that you might have a point WW, but alas, he didn't. :shame:

McCain said "I’m aware that off the coast of Louisiana and Texas there are oil rigs, as we well know, and those rigs have survived, very successfully, the impacts of hurricanes"

You lose another one. 96% survival rate backs up McCain's comment quite handily.

[Stoner]

Common Sense -1

Web Warrior - 0

[ilikegw]

Stop being a liar, Stoner. Tsk, tsk.

[webwarrior]

opps, be right back

[webwarrior]

Ok, for the sake of argument, lets say McCain didn't say those exact words (but he did)
...let's go with what you say..so he's still a liar

McCain's slippery statement on oil
By Angie Drobnic Holan
Published on Friday, July 25th, 2008 at 06:29 p.m.
SUMMARY: McCain promotes offshore drilling as part of an energy policy to increase production. But his description of the impact Hurricanes Katrina and Rita had on drilling — "no real difficulties" — glosses over a more complicated picture. At a town hall meeting in Albuquerque, N.M., John McCain promoted the idea of expanding offshore drilling and downplayed the potential for environmental problems.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2008/jul/25/mccain-oil-statement-slippery/

Updated 6:12 p.m.
By Michael D. Shear
Sen. John McCain says at every campaign stop that offshore oil drilling is safe, playing down the risk of environmental accidents, even when faced with the power of a hurricane.
"I'm aware that off the coast of Louisiana and Texas there are oil rigs, as we well know, and those rigs have survived, very successfully, the impacts of hurricanes, Hurricane Katrina, as far as Louisiana's concerned," McCain said at a town hall in Michigan last week.
In an energy speech recently, McCain said that: "As for offshore drilling, it's safe enough these days that not even Hurricanes Katrina and Rita could cause significant spillage from the battered rigs off the coasts of New Orleans and Houston."
In fact, Katrina and Hurricane Rita caused damage to oil rigs and storage facilities in the Gulf, according to press reports and government studies.
The hurricanes totally destroyed 113 oil rigs, according to the government's Minerals Management Service, and damaged 457 pipelines. The resulting oil spills were large enough to be seen from space, according to several reports.

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/07/23/mccain_and_the_safety_of_offsh.html

read more...
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=McCain+say+no+oil+rig+damage&btnG=Google+Search

So let's see you spin this, good luck!

[Stoner]

WebWarrior, stop while you're behind. It's only going to get worse. Save grace and bail out. We've repeatedly proven you wrong in this thread. It's over, son.

Better luck next time.

[webwarrior]

Ok, so far so good, hope you guys don't get too upset with me, just trying to keep the record staight sorry if the truth hurts (I bet it kills)

[PostmodernProphet]

Ok, for the sake of argument, lets say McCain didn't say those exact words (but he did)
...let's go with what you say..so he's still a liar

McCain's slippery statement on oil
By Angie Drobnic Holan
Published on Friday, July 25th, 2008 at 06:29 p.m.
SUMMARY: McCain promotes offshore drilling as part of an energy policy to increase production. But his description of the impact Hurricanes Katrina and Rita had on drilling — "no real difficulties" — glosses over a more complicated picture. At a town hall meeting in Albuquerque, N.M., John McCain promoted the idea of expanding offshore drilling and downplayed the potential for environmental problems.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2008/jul/25/mccain-oil-statement-slippery/

Updated 6:12 p.m.
By Michael D. Shear
Sen. John McCain says at every campaign stop that offshore oil drilling is safe, playing down the risk of environmental accidents, even when faced with the power of a hurricane.
"I'm aware that off the coast of Louisiana and Texas there are oil rigs, as we well know, and those rigs have survived, very successfully, the impacts of hurricanes, Hurricane Katrina, as far as Louisiana's concerned," McCain said at a town hall in Michigan last week.
In an energy speech recently, McCain said that: "As for offshore drilling, it's safe enough these days that not even Hurricanes Katrina and Rita could cause significant spillage from the battered rigs off the coasts of New Orleans and Houston."


no spin necessary.....all three statements were completely accurate.....as has been documented in this thread.....

[webwarrior]

Ok then..so we do agree, McCain is a liar.

[webwarrior]

Very good, so you agree, finally,I knew you guys would come around.

[PostmodernProphet]

what comes around, goes around.....that's why your head is spinning....

[webwarrior]

Hey..where did boogy go? he was so persistant up until now, wonder why he left? :)

[BoogyMan]

I have a life outside of making your arguments look silly ww, every argument you have put forth in this thread has been shot down with proof.

I am back at a computer now and will be glad to continue to help you dig yourself a rhetorical hole from which you cannot extricate yourself.

[apdst]

Webwarrior, are you being harrassed again?

[webwarrior]

BoogyManevery argument you have put forth in this thread has been shot down with proof.
:ecstatic::ecstatic: You're funnier than hell, I love your "proof"..not one dam link or source, how do you do that? :embarrased: :)
absolutely incredible!!!

[lily]

BoogyMan:ecstatic::ecstatic: You're funnier than hell, I love your "proof"..not one dam link or source, how do you do that? :embarrased: :)
absolutely incredible!!!

I hate to do this.......but did you even read post #15? If not it was repeated in post #21........and then there were also links and sources in post #29.


Please refute those, instead of taunting and saying the same thing.

Thank you in advance.

[BoogyMan]

Hmm, I posted the following earlier which linked to my source. Try reading post 15 (http://www.democracyforums.com/showpost.php?p=234945&postcount=15) and then see where I repeated the information in post 21 (http://www.democracyforums.com/showpost.php?p=235113&postcount=21).

Not one link or source, eh? Ignoring factual rebuttal is not a syllogistic tool, it is a sign that you have ceded the debate.

Since there were over 4000 rigs in the gulf prior to the Katrina/Rita storm season and roughly 165 platforms were damaged or destroyed that would be a little over 4% shutdown.

The year after the storms came through production was only down 12%.

http://www.terradaily.com/reports/Gulf_Oil_And_Gas_Output_Trails_Pre_Katrina_Product ion_999.html

Such figures quite handily show that 96% of the rigs in the gulf DID in fact survive and thrive.

McCain's comment was in fact, correct in light of these figures.

Pfotenhauer on the other hand, acknowledged her error and her comment did not in fact come out of McCain's mouth as was alleged.

[ilikegw]

You spin me right round baby, right round, like a record baby, right round, round, round.