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DamnYankee
08-07-2008, 08:13 PM
Obama tells 7-year-old America not so great
Responds haltingly to girl who asked why he wants to be president
Posted: August 07, 2008
12:46 pm Eastern
© 2008 WorldNetDaily
Sen. Barack Obama explains why he's running for president to an audience in Elkhart, Ind., yesterday
It's the question every presidential candidate must be prepared to answer, but when it was posed to Barack Obama by a 7-year-old yesterday, the Democratic senator seemed at a loss for words.
Appearing before a packed high school gym in Elkhart, Ind., the young girl asked Obama why he is running for the White House.
"America is, is no longer, uh, what it could be, what it, it once was," Obama said haltingly. "And I say to myself, I don't want that future for my children."
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Some answer to a 7 yr old. What a load of manure. "America is downright mean..." Michelle Obama. "Not God bless America but G__ DAMN AMERICA, G__ DAMN AMERICA..." Rev. Wright.
Comrade Obama walks in lock step with those around him.
apdst
08-07-2008, 08:14 PM
And let me guess it's not going to be great until The Messiah is elected, either.
AlanC
08-07-2008, 08:19 PM
And let me guess it's not going to be great until The Messiah is elected, either.
Otherwise known as "The First Coming" to you, peasant.
GhostintheMachine
08-07-2008, 08:21 PM
www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageld=71713
Some answer to a 7 yr old. What a load of manure. "America is downright mean..." Michelle Obama. "Not God bless America but G__ DAMN AMERICA, G__ DAMN AMERICA..." Rev. Wright.
Comrade Obama walks in lock step with those around him.
So him recognizing there are problems in America is wrong? I fail to see the issue I suppose, but I guess if you like to buy into smear tactics...
AnnEsthesia
08-07-2008, 08:22 PM
People are only allowed to criticize and speak of faults in OTHER countries. If anyone finds faults in the US or wishes to work to change the US, they are evil unamericans.
GhostintheMachine
08-07-2008, 08:23 PM
People are only allowed to criticize and speak of faults in OTHER countries. If anyone finds faults in the US or wishes to work to change the US, they are evil unamericans.
Or "unpatriotic"
AnnEsthesia
08-07-2008, 08:29 PM
Indeed.
Wndrtch
08-07-2008, 08:38 PM
And let me guess it's not going to be great until The Messiah is elected, either.
If he's not, hold onto your hats!
There is so much "Legend-building" going on around this guy, that if he doesn't get in, I predict 7 American cities will have riots.
If LA burned because some cops used force to subdue an animal, imagine what will happen when their "Anointed-one" is never anointed! There has been so much build-up for an Obama Presidency that if it doesn't happen, there is going to be large numbers of people dissilusioned to the point of a mental disorder.
Then, the rest of us will have to deal with McCain Derangement Syndrome for the next 8 years.
Wndrtch
08-07-2008, 08:40 PM
Or "unpatriotic"
No, just stupid.
GhostintheMachine
08-07-2008, 08:40 PM
If he's not, hold onto your hats!
There is so much "Legend-building" going on around this guy, that if he doesn't get in, I predict 7 American cities will have riots.
If LA burned because some cops used force to subdue an animal, imagine what will happen when their "Anointed-one" is never anointed! There has been so much build-up for an Obama Presidency that if it doesn't happen, there is going to be large numbers of people dissilusioned to the point of a mental disorder.
Then, the rest of us will have to deal with McCain Derangement Syndrome for the next 8 years.
haha, wow. :lmao: Little flair for the dramatic eh?
Elrathin
08-07-2008, 08:40 PM
Sounds like some conservatives are HOPING for riots. Nothing like people getting hurt to bring out that shine in conservatives.
Oh and if Obama does get elected, I imagine quite a many conservative will be needing help with Obama Derangement Syndrome.
GhostintheMachine
08-07-2008, 08:42 PM
No, just stupid.
I didn't realize somebody who graduated magna cum laude from Harvard was so stupid...
apdst
08-07-2008, 08:43 PM
I think America is great and I'm proud of my country and to be an American. Do some things need to fixed? Sure. Is this a bad country? Do we need, "change"? Nope.
Condorman
08-07-2008, 08:44 PM
I guess we'd rather want someone that will openly lie to little kids? I think he sugar coated it more than enough. There is no reason to lie to kids, otherwise they are just going to find out later and loose all trust in you.
IndieVisible
08-07-2008, 08:46 PM
www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageld=71713
Some answer to a 7 yr old. What a load of manure. "America is downright mean..." Michelle Obama. "Not God bless America but G__ DAMN AMERICA, G__ DAMN AMERICA..." Rev. Wright.
Comrade Obama walks in lock step with those around him.
What's wrong with that answer? Obviously you would NOT be running for President if you didn't think you could do better or if there was not still more work to be done.
GhostintheMachine
08-07-2008, 08:46 PM
I guess we'd rather want someone that will openly lie to little kids? I think he sugar coated it more than enough. There is no reason to lie to kids, otherwise they are just going to find out later and loose all trust in you.
How was he lying? He said he doesn't like the status of America, it is no longer what it once was. He wants to help change that for their future.
brien
08-07-2008, 08:46 PM
What I find interesting about his answer is that he never gave the girl any concrete reason why he is running to be president.
"America is, is no longer, uh, what it could be, what it, it once was," Obama said haltingly. "And I say to myself, I don't want that future for my children."
The statement above is a vague negative diatribe that reflects the kernel of his campaign.
Let's see, he said: "what it once was" A racially divided nation that would have never allowed him to even run for the highest office in the land.
He said "What it could be" without giving an example of his Socialist proposals like "windfall profits upon big oil" and National Health Care.
This is just another excellent example of how Obama can't even field a 7 year old's question intelligently when his answer isn't scripted in front of him on a teleprompter. Another fine example of an answer devoid of any substance.
And there are people who will actually vote for this cottonhead.
Condorman
08-07-2008, 08:46 PM
I think America is great and I'm proud of my country and to be an American. Do some things need to fixed? Sure. Is this a bad country? Do we need, "change"? Nope.
Fixed and change go hand in hand. How can you fix something if you don't change it? If you're cars not running, you change out the things that don't work in order to fix the car.
Condorman
08-07-2008, 08:48 PM
How was he lying? He said he doesn't like the status of America, it is no longer what it once was. He wants to help change that for their future.
I'm refering to those that are upset that he was honest.
GhostintheMachine
08-07-2008, 08:49 PM
I'm refering to those that are upset that he was honest.
Oh, okay. Gotcha.:thumbsup:
NortheastCynic
08-07-2008, 08:49 PM
No, just stupid.
It's 'stupid' to point out faults of one's own country, to demand change to eliminate those faults?
Que?
-NC
apdst
08-07-2008, 08:57 PM
If you're cars not running, you change out the things that don't work in order to fix the car.
You're exactly right, you change the broken parts, you don't change the entire car.
mj278
08-07-2008, 08:59 PM
I don't really see what all the fuss is about. As a nation, we are having problems. What was he supposed to say? That everything in this country was great? It is not. But he isn't offering anything new. It is the same old shit.
You could argue that he didn't really answer the girl's question though. I would be interested to hear what the rest of his response was. Not that it would matter for me anyway. I am not voting for him. I'm just curious.
Wndrtch
08-07-2008, 09:01 PM
I didn't realize somebody who graduated magna cum laude from Harvard was so stupid...
You're right.
They could just be crazy.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/42/Unabomber.jpg
In 1962, Kaczynski graduated from Harvard, and subsequently attended the University of Michigan, earning a master's degree and a Ph.D. in mathematics.[2] Kaczynski began a research career at Michigan but made few friends. One of his professors at Michigan, George Piranian, said of him, "It is not enough to say he was smart."[6] He earned his Ph.D. by solving, in less than a year, a math problem that Piranian had been unable to solve. Kaczynski's specialty was a branch of complex analysis known as geometric function theory. "I would guess that maybe 10 or 12 people in the country understood or appreciated it," said Maxwell O. Reade, a retired math professor who served on Kaczynski's dissertation committee.[7] In 1967, Kaczynski won the University of Michigan's $100 Sumner B. Myers Prize, which recognized his dissertation, "Boundary Functions", as the school's best in mathematics that year.[7] At Michigan, he held a National Science Foundation fellowship. While a graduate student at Michigan, he taught undergraduates for three years and published two articles related to his dissertation in mathematical journals. After he left Michigan, he published four more papers.[8]
Kaczynski became an assistant professor of mathematics at the University of California, Berkeley in the fall of 1967. However, this was short-lived, and Kaczynski resigned from his position without explanation in 1969 at age 26. The chairman of the mathematics department, J. W. Addison, called this a "sudden and unexpected" resignation.[9] Calvin Moore, vice chairman of the department in 1968, said that given Kaczynski's "impressive" thesis and record of publications, "he could have advanced up the ranks and been a senior member of the faculty today."[10]
In the summer of 1969, Kaczynski moved to his parents' small residence in Lombard, Illinois. Two years later, in 1971, he moved into a remote cabin he built himself in Lincoln, Montana, where he lived a simple life on very little money, with no electricity and no running water, feeding himself as a hunter-gatherer. Kaczynski also worked odd jobs and received financial support from his family (including purchasing his land and, without their knowledge, funding his bombing campaign). In 1978, he worked very briefly with his father and brother at a foam-rubber factory.[7]
Just because you graduate from Harvard, doesn't mean everybody else should automatically bow-down to your greatness.
GhostintheMachine
08-07-2008, 09:06 PM
You're right.
They could just be crazy.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/42/Unabomber.jpg
Just because you graduate from Harvard, doesn't mean everybody else should automatically bow-down to your greatness.
lol, I didn't realize having intelligence made Obama prone to becoming the next unabomber. Maybe we should have him see a psychiatrist just to make sure...
Wndrtch
08-07-2008, 09:11 PM
It's 'stupid' to point out faults of one's own country, to demand change to eliminate those faults?
Que?
-NC
No, that's called arrogant and elitist.
I just LOVE how when a conservative person points out "faults", the Lefties come out of the woodwork to denounce and shout them down. But when Barack "The Clean" does the same, there's a cluster-fcuk at his feet to suck the dirt from his Burkenstocks. :drool:
Wndrtch
08-07-2008, 09:12 PM
lol, I didn't realize having intelligence made Obama prone to becoming the next unabomber. Maybe we should have him see a psychiatrist just to make sure...
Or maybe, he's just not that smart to worry about it! :lmao:
NortheastCynic
08-07-2008, 09:16 PM
No, that's called arrogant and elitist.
I just LOVE how when a conservative person points out "faults", the Lefties come out of the woodwork to denounce and shout them down. But when Barack "The Clean" does the same, there's a cluster-fcuk at his feet to suck the dirt from his Burkenstocks. :drool:What? Wndrtch, you completely misunderstood my post. I'm not denouncing anything a conservative has said, nor am I defending anything that Obama said. I can't stand Obama, and I've never, will never and don't associate with anyone who has worn Birkenstock :thumbsup:
-NC
Leslie
08-07-2008, 09:16 PM
No, that's called arrogant and elitist.
I just LOVE how when a conservative person points out "faults", the Lefties come out of the woodwork to denounce and shout them down. But when Barack "The Clean" does the same, there's a cluster-fcuk at his feet to suck the dirt from his Burkenstocks. :drool:
Righties say everything's just fine, just a country of whiners, hell, that's why y'all are called "righties." :lmao:
AnnEsthesia
08-07-2008, 09:17 PM
No, that's called arrogant and elitist.
I just LOVE how when a conservative person points out "faults", the Lefties come out of the woodwork to denounce and shout them down. But when Barack "The Clean" does the same, there's a cluster-fcuk at his feet to suck the dirt from his Burkenstocks. :drool:
Er... no. Talk about using a broad brush. :shame:
Condorman
08-07-2008, 09:18 PM
You're exactly right, you change the broken parts, you don't change the entire car.
Good thing that he isn't suggesting to replace the entire car. Unless that is, somewhere he said that he was going to completely replace our current government with something else.
GhostintheMachine
08-07-2008, 09:21 PM
Or maybe, he's just not that smart to worry about it! :lmao:
http://www.icanhasurvote.com/images/approved/20080105_BUSH-SLURPEE.jpg
Hopefully not, he wouldn't want to go above the standard of the Bush legacy
Condorman
08-07-2008, 09:24 PM
http://www.icanhasurvote.com/images/approved/20080105_BUSH-SLURPEE.jpg
Hopefully not, he wouldn't want to go above the standard of the Bush legacy
That line of standard is like a limbo bar, it's a challange just to get under it.
Milton Bradley
08-07-2008, 09:26 PM
"America is, is no longer, uh, what it could be, what it, it once was," Obama said haltingly. "And I say to myself, I don't want that future for my children.
Wow, those words offensive to some people?
Well, I guess everybody who is offended by those words will really want to hear what I have to say about their country. :evil:
Sadly, this is just more partisan sniping, with no real substance.
ilikegw
08-07-2008, 09:28 PM
Yea, right, like I really want a President and a first lady who continuously put down this country, who keep saying only they can make it better. They're making people believe that they are the ones to save us... save us from what??? Will they ever tell us what's wrong with America? Oh, yea, Bush, blah, blah, blah. Any President who comes in after Bush will have a lot of work to do and Barack and his wife making it as though only they can change things is sickening.
They can both kiss my typical white ass.
Condorman
08-07-2008, 09:29 PM
Yea, right, like I really want a President and a first lady who contuinously put down this country, who keep saying only they can make it better. They can both kiss my typical white ass.
Where does Obama say "I'm the only one that can make this country better"?
Go ahead, take your time.
Milton Bradley
08-07-2008, 09:30 PM
Yea, right, like I really want a President and a first lady who continuously put down this country, who keep saying only they can make it better. They're making people believe that they are the ones to save us... save us from what??? Will they ever tell us what's wrong with America? Oh, yea, Bush, blah, blah, blah. Any President who comes in after Bush will have a lot of work to do and Barack and his wife making it as though only they can change things is sickening.
They can both kiss my typical white ass.
Saying your country is "not all it could be" offends you?
AnnEsthesia
08-07-2008, 09:30 PM
I would rather a president who recognizes that there are issues and is willing to try and address them. We have seen how well pretending nothing is wrong has done.
brien
08-07-2008, 09:57 PM
I would rather a president who recognizes that there are issues and is willing to try and address them. We have seen how well pretending nothing is wrong has done.
Ann; Obama never said anything of the kind to this little girl. What issues did he point out? What issues did he address? In fact, he didn't really a say anything of substance at all. I'll lay odds he left her scratching her head saying "what did he say?" Here it is again:
"America is, is no longer, uh, what it could be, what it, it once was," Obama said haltingly. "And I say to myself, I don't want that future for my children."
***********************
This is a vague and vacuous statement that is a perfect example of his rhetoric which represents the crowning pinnacle of his candidacy. But hey, it seems to work for anyone who will accept vague and vacuous statements from a presidential candidate.
AnnEsthesia
08-07-2008, 09:59 PM
lol... and? he is a politician.
PostmodernProphet
08-07-2008, 10:26 PM
America is, is no longer, uh, what it could be, what it, it once was," Obama said haltingly. "And I say to myself, I don't want that future for my children."ah, but which is the when that he would like to restore us to......
America is not what it once was, when schools were segregated.....
America is not what it once was, when it was locked in a Cold War with the Soviet Union.....
America is not what it once was when oil was being pumped from American oil wells.....
I wish he would be more specific.....
Stoner
08-07-2008, 10:32 PM
I take offense at Obama's comments. I love America with all my heart and think it's the greatest country in the galaxy.
Next time libbies want to bitch/moan/whine/complain about my beautiful and wonderful country read this article instead.
I was sitting at lunch with a colleague a few weeks back, and he mentioned that he did not understand the general media hubbub over Michelle Obama's unpatriotic statements.
"So she said that she hadn't been proud of America in her adult life," he said. "So what?"
I answered that many Americans, rightly, were offended at the idea that a prospective First Lady of the United States was not proud of her country. "If you don't believe this is the best country on earth, don't live here," I said.
"That's 'love it or leave it,'" he answered. "I don't have to love everything about this country."
"That's right, you don't," I stated. "But if you don't believe in the essential goodness of America's founding principles -- if you don't believe that those principles constitute the greatest set of essential values ever instituted on a national scale -- then you don't belong here."
He was insulted. The typical liberal talking point states that patriotism is jingoism because America's founding principles are so much claptrap -- that modern values trump those old-fashioned ideas. But that should be an automatic disqualifier for political victory in this country. Disavowing the thoughts underlying the Declaration of Independence and Constitution is a tragic surrender to nihilism, a surrender to the barbarism of the French Revolution.
Liberals often ask for a definition of American values.
Let's begin with what such values are not. They are not the "evolving standards of decency" of Justice Anthony Kennedy. And they are certainly not the vague prescriptions of Barack Obama, who preaches unity but never explains precisely which Americans values are supposed to unify us.
They are the values held in common by John Adams and Thomas Jefferson. They are the values shared by James Madison, Benjamin Franklin and George Washington. Here are some of those values:
Free enterprise allows every American the opportunity to succeed. Encroachment on free enterprise by government violates the basic right to pursuit of happiness.
Freedom of political speech is a vital component for a functioning republic. Such freedom must not be disturbed by complaints about fairness or whining about the "tenor" of modern campaigning. The hurly-burly of politics allows truth to rise to the surface.
Traditional moral values must be the basis of the republic. Freedom without any societal moral compass leaves the nation adrift in a relativistic sea. The same sea that swamps traditional morality sinks the ship of state.
America must be defended and her liberties spread abroad when possible. Kowtowing to international multiculturalism promotes tyranny.
The left disagrees with these values. Free enterprise is to be opposed in order to rectify inequality. Free speech is to be contained to quash the extremism of political discourse. Traditional morality is intolerant and therefore to be jettisoned. And defending American values demonstrates bigoted ethnocentrism.
There are certain countries in which the founding philosophy is deeply flawed. America is not one of them. There are certain countries for which patriotism should be a sin. America is not one of them. American history, in all of its most glorious permutations, represents the outgrowth of our founding philosophy. Only by accepting the greatness of America's founding philosophy can we hope to ensure that freedom flourishes at home and around the globe.
http://townhall.com/columnists/BenShapiro/2008/07/02/why_america_is_the_greatest_country_on_earth
Condorman
08-07-2008, 10:33 PM
Ann; Obama never said anything of the kind to this little girl. What issues did he point out? What issues did he address? In fact, he didn't really a say anything of substance at all. I'll lay odds he left her scratching her head saying "what did he say?" Here it is again:
"America is, is no longer, uh, what it could be, what it, it once was," Obama said haltingly. "And I say to myself, I don't want that future for my children."
***********************
This is a vague and vacuous statement that is a perfect example of his rhetoric which represents the crowning pinnacle of his candidacy. But hey, it seems to work for anyone who will accept vague and vacuous statements from a presidential candidate.
He didn't have time, maybe if everyone (including the 7 year old) could stay for several hours, he could then adequately tell specifically how America is failing and how it needs to be improved, but not in 15 seconds so that he could answer other questions.
Also, I highly doubt that she'd be able to understand a lot of it had he gone into detail.
Condorman
08-07-2008, 10:36 PM
I take offense at Obama'a comments. I love America with all my heart and think it's the greatest country in the galaxy.
Next time libbies want to bitch/moan/whine/complain about my beautiful and wonderful country read this article instead.
http://townhall.com/columnists/BenShapiro/2008/07/02/why_america_is_the_greatest_country_on_earth
Or we could just change it, but I'm sure that some people would rather us leave so that they don't have to change. Change is scary.
Stoner
08-07-2008, 10:43 PM
He didn't have time, maybe if everyone (including the 7 year old) could stay for several hours, he could then adequately tell specifically how America is failing and how it needs to be improved, but not in 15 seconds so that he could answer other questions.
Negative. Obama couldn't come up with an answer because his handlers and speech writers didn't have anything prepped for him. Obama is a puppet. Nothing more, nothing less. But hey, he's a good looking, charismatic guy! That's enough, right?
Obama - Stumped by a 7 year old.
Condorman
08-07-2008, 10:51 PM
Negative. Obama couldn't come up with an answer because his handlers and speech writers didn't have anything prepped for him. Obama is a puppet. Nothing more, nothing less. But hey, he's a good looking, charismatic guy! That's enough, right?
So you believe that he could have pointed out in detail everything that is wrong with america in a few minutes had his speech writers been there? :lmao:
No, he couldn't, no one could, accept those that feel that america is on the right track (which is 3 out of 20, thankfully this is a democracy still, so majority rules).
micfranklin
08-07-2008, 11:01 PM
www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageld=71713
Some answer to a 7 yr old. What a load of manure. "America is downright mean..." Michelle Obama. "Not God bless America but G__ DAMN AMERICA, G__ DAMN AMERICA..." Rev. Wright.
Comrade Obama walks in lock step with those around him.
WND as a source = most likely a fake story.
Not convinced, try again.
ilikegw
08-08-2008, 01:03 AM
There's a video on the page, so unless that's not Obama, it's a true story.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d667NAI9HIM
Stoner
08-08-2008, 01:07 AM
There's a video on the page, so unless that's not Obama, it's a true story.
Could be a clone.
micfranklin
08-08-2008, 01:12 AM
There's a video on the page, so unless that's not Obama, it's a true story.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d667NAI9HIM
This video does not convince me of anything, as Obama says America is not what it used to be, not that it's a bad country as stated in the thread title.
So the context is flawed I'm afraid.
preservanation
08-08-2008, 01:13 AM
Could be his wife.
If she really exists.
Haven't seen her in a while.
Ann; Obama never said anything of the kind to this little girl. What issues did he point out? What issues did he address? In fact, he didn't really a say anything of substance at all. I'll lay odds he left her scratching her head saying "what did he say?" Here it is again:
"America is, is no longer, uh, what it could be, what it, it once was," Obama said haltingly. "And I say to myself, I don't want that future for my children."
***********************
This is a vague and vacuous statement that is a perfect example of his rhetoric which represents the crowning pinnacle of his candidacy. But hey, it seems to work for anyone who will accept vague and vacuous statements from a presidential candidate.
The fact is.....we don't know what he said after the 22 second clip that World Net decided to show that Limbaugh pulled out of somewhere. I can't find the entire speech.........so Limbaugh strikes again and you people lap it up, like it's cream.
Even if that was all he said........are you proud of the way America is today? Are you proud of our world standing? Are you proud of invading a country that we were lied into invading?
Yes, I know you're a Libertarian........but until they have a viable candidate, you're pretty much stuck with what is out there. Run someone that has a chance to win something and isn't so far out there and I'll vote for him.
micfranklin
08-08-2008, 04:06 AM
That said I don't trust the OP sources.
Stoner
08-08-2008, 04:15 AM
........are you proud of the way America is today?
Yes. Extremely.
Well little girl, the truth is if I told you, I would have to kill you. Then use your name in voting fraud, and possibly your parents t- I mean America isn't what it used to be, and I want to control it like I control my ki-
Wait what was this thread about?
*sarcasm*
mj278
08-08-2008, 04:33 AM
The fact is.....we don't know what he said after the 22 second clip that World Net decided to show that Limbaugh pulled out of somewhere. I can't find the entire speech.........so Limbaugh strikes again and you people lap it up, like it's cream.
Here you go.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/08/06/obama-got-hit-in-the-head/?eref=ib_politicalticker
Yes. Extremely.
Then vote for McCain.
mj278
Here you go.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...oliticalticker
Thank you, mj...........the entire answer puts the whole thing into perspective and doesn't say what the 22 second clip Limbaugh want you to believe.....no surprise there.
Stoner
08-08-2008, 05:17 AM
Next time they should have 5 year olds ask him questions so he doesn't get stumped again.
He didn't get stumped......maybe you should click on the link that mj posted?
Interrested
08-08-2008, 03:09 PM
I understand your point, and I am in no way an Obama supporter - but I fail to see the relevance in bringing up such a miniscule issue. Obama has enough real faults that dwelling on such an insignificant phrase makes you no better than he is. Unfortunately, many Conservatives and Liberals have found it necessary to sling mud at each other. For me, politics has always been about the issues. I am proud to be an American, and for the most part, I am proud of what our nation has accomplished. However, if you are stubborn enough to believe that this nation does not need some changes, than I can't tolerate such nonsense - even from a fellow republican.
This nation needs change - but personally, I feel Obama will not bring the right change.
Mouth Full Of Teeth
08-08-2008, 03:36 PM
I understand your point, and I am in no way an Obama supporter - but I fail to see the relevance in bringing up such a miniscule issue. Obama has enough real faults that dwelling on such an insignificant phrase makes you no better than he is. Unfortunately, many Conservatives and Liberals have found it necessary to sling mud at each other. For me, politics has always been about the issues. I am proud to be an American, and for the most part, I am proud of what our nation has accomplished. However, if you are stubborn enough to believe that this nation does not need some changes, than I can't tolerate such nonsense - even from a fellow republican.
This nation needs change - but personally, I feel Obama will not bring the right change.
I agree with much of what you said. Again, this is sound-byte politics. It is taking a misquote, an honest gaffle or a statement taken out of context and defining a candidate with it. That's absolutely absurd. I wish the media would grow up, get off of their lazy asses and report the candidates true positions. But, that's not what sells...so they cater to the lowest common denominator.
However, I think that Obama is a lot closer to the change we need than McCain.
brien
08-08-2008, 04:49 PM
The fact is.....we don't know what he said after the 22 second clip that World Net decided to show that Limbaugh pulled out of somewhere. I can't find the entire speech.........so Limbaugh strikes again and you people lap it up, like it's cream.
Even if that was all he said........are you proud of the way America is today? Are you proud of our world standing? Are you proud of invading a country that we were lied into invading?
Yes, I know you're a Libertarian........but until they have a viable candidate, you're pretty much stuck with what is out there. Run someone that has a chance to win something and isn't so far out there and I'll vote for him.
I have since heard the entire response, and to pull what we have seen here out of its context, is somewhat disingenuous. That said, I now suspect the Obama campaign probably planted this little girl b/c I have a hard time accepting that Obama would call upon her, pay attention to her, when everyone else there would like to ask a question and was vying for his attention.
After hearing the full sound bite, I have to think that Obama still can't get spontaneous answers across in an intelligent manner. He stammers, stutters, and says things later he has to re-explain to spin his answer the way he wants it to be understood. What I get out of this sound bite is that he has once again, put his foot right in his mouth because it is the perception by so many that his first reactions are to usually impune the country for some negative aspect rather than look for something good in this country to use as a jumping off point for an answer. This is bad politics because it appears to many that this candidate is ungrateful for his American upbringing and seeks to appeal to a disgruntled constituency who are predisposed to vote against someone rather than for someone.
Many people are tired of hearing how bad this country is in the media. It is going to backfire upon those who do it in this election. The are many great things this country does such as the amount of money that it donates to world problems. But some people only want to dwell upon the negative because they think it will help elect Obama. This type of approach will probably end up backfiring upon them in the long run because some voters are so inundated with negativity, they will end up voting against those who are propagating it. I believe this election is going to boil down to voting against someone rather than for someone. A sad state of affairs for an election.
As for my LP affiliation, I simply vote my conscience, and can't run with this herd. I see many things wrong with America, but if I were running for office, for example, I would first point out the 2nd Amendment is a great Amendment, but then point out how we have problems with the prosecution of criminals who commit crimes with guns because they don't get enough jail time. This example illustrates the difference with what Obama does and how it creates problems for him on the stump when he begins with a negative and tries to move toward a positive. I think he has his approach to answering extemporaneous questions ass backwards.
ilikegw
08-08-2008, 05:42 PM
The clip is from YouTube, not WorldNetDaily.
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