MD Mayor recognize unconstitutionality of "no-knock warrants" when used against him..

[Osborn F. Enready]

http://www.cnn.com/video/live/live.html?stream=stream3


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/05/AR2008080502664.html?nav=rss_metro/md

http://stash.norml.org/2008/08/06/update-on-dog-shooting-story-officers-lacked-no-knock-warrant-in-raid/


Well, now we see that once the GOVERNING ELITES RIGHTS ARE THREATENED UNJUSTLY, they recognize it..... What about all those who have been wronged in the past? What about those who passed such UNCONSTITUTIONAL LAW INTO LAW?!? What about those who proposed such treasonous BS as legitimate?


I am glad to see someone actually speaking coherantly on the subject...I am sad to see it is only ONCE THEY ARE TREATED AS ANYONE ELSE... since logic has obviously failed them to see the obvious problems until personal experience made the problem evident....


WAKE UP AMERICANS... you are being sacrificed to the bi-partisan quest for more power, and only YOU (we) can stop it.

What are you going to do?

Some of law enforcements finest have already awoke to the call that is the cause of this problem... will you help them, or wait until this happens to you?

http://www.leap.cc/cms/index.php

[Condorman]

It's just a part of their "if it doesn't bother me, than I have no quarel with it." Well, now it is bothering them.

[Osborn F. Enready]

I wish Americans would wake up to the LIE being sold to them by all of BI-PARTISAN GOVERNMENT.

Neither major party is entitled to anyones vote, they have to earn it...

What has either party done in the last 20 years to earn ANY votes? They have both done more damage to this country than our most publicly recognized and villainized "enemies".......yet sheeple still want to vote them in hoping the people who created the problems, will suddenly change their agenda and fix the problems THEY created for MUTUAL bi-partisan benefit.

I am beginning to think the American public is a chamois of hypocrisy, because thats all I get out of them when they are challenged or "squeezed".

[Milton Bradley]

I saw this story on the television just now, and I have to say, this is the type of behavior by law enforcement that makes me want to hurt people. Police specifically.


What a bunch of schmucks!


And appearently, this type of behavior is sanctioned by law enforcement.

[AlanC]

On the basis of the warrant they had, there is no basis for the immediate entry of the killin of his dogs. This will be a very expensive event for the county to settle and it makes any criminal charges impossible.

The method of entry is clearly illegal.

[michaelr]

This whole story stinks, somebody wants his job. What better way to get it?

[IndieVisible]

Now that's abuse of power plan and simple! And reasons why we need strict rules and guidelines to assure they are observed and investigate when they are not observed. We can not expect the police to investigate itself fairly!

[Milton Bradley]

On the basis of the warrant they had, there is no basis for the immediate entry of the killin of his dogs. This will be a very expensive event for the county to settle and it makes any criminal charges impossible.

The method of entry is clearly illegal.


How do they even find officers willing to act in this capacity?


In the land of protocols, one would certainly be inclined to believe that there is some type of protocol for questioning ones orders.


Why do we never hear of officers refusing to carry out such an obviously illegal operation?

[sam]

They felt threatened by black labs? Give me a freaking break; the dog is one of the most gentlest in the canine community.

I guarantee someone bursts into my house and shoots my dogs they will not be leaving the premises with all body parts attached.

I live in Md, and would really like to find out who those so called officers were and see their asses hung out to dry.

[AlanC]

How do they even find officers willing to act in this capacity?


In the land of protocols, one would certainly be inclined to believe that there is some type of protocol for questioning ones orders.


Why do we never hear of officers refusing to carry out such an obviously illegal operation?

Because this will come down to one or two commanders who decided they didn't need to go the extra step of obtaining a no knock warrant. The cops who executed it were probably acting on good faith having been told what it was.

The guidlines are sufficient in this case and I am sure that some heads will roll as a result. You do not get away with high profile blunders like this. By the time everyone ducks and runs for cover, they will blame the supervisor of the SWAT team and his commander as they would be the ones that would have recieved the warrant and should have read it before executing it.

But in addition, the county that has to pay for this will want some retribution as well and it could leak on up higher on the food chain.

[IndieVisible]

How do they even find officers willing to act in this capacity?


In the land of protocols, one would certainly be inclined to believe that there is some type of protocol for questioning ones orders.


Why do we never hear of officers refusing to carry out such an obviously illegal operation?

Not officers fault. They follow orders they do not question them, as should be. The ones in charge should be held accountable! As far as the officers knew it was legal proceedure.

I think this case is obscene! I think heads should roll!

Some one really had it in for the Mayor! Total lack of respect.. Usually they show leniency towards their own.

[River]

supervisor of the SWAT team and his commander as they would be the ones that would have recieved the warrant and should have read it before executing it

The Washington Post article says this:

But a review of the warrant indicates that police neither sought nor received permission from Circuit Court Judge Albert W. Northrup to enter without knocking. Northrup found probable cause to suspect that drugs might be in the house and granted police a standard search warrant.

Why would they need to read the warrent...they prepared it. The Police never asked for a no-knock (probably knew they wouldnt get it).


And this:

According to law enforcement sources, police are investigating whether a deliveryman might have been the intended recipient of the package instead of Calvo or his wife. The sources spoke on condition of anonymity because the case is open.

The police intercepted the package before it could reach its final destination. Though it was addressed to the Mayor, it could be been meant to be intercepted before delivery to him.

[Milton Bradley]

Because this will come down to one or two commanders who decided they didn't need to go the extra step of obtaining a no knock warrant. The cops who executed it were probably acting on good faith having been told what it was.

The guidlines are sufficient in this case and I am sure that some heads will roll as a result. You do not get away with high profile blunders like this. By the time everyone ducks and runs for cover, they will blame the supervisor of the SWAT team and his commander as they would be the ones that would have recieved the warrant and should have read it before executing it.

But in addition, the county that has to pay for this will want some retribution as well and it could leak on up higher on the food chain.


See, this is why I dislike "stovepipe" authority, and most of the institutions that practice that policy. As long as you have one corrupt guy, or somebody willing to be a scapegoat, you can have these egregious transgressions on people rights, and psyches.


I have noticed several incidents in Toledo lately, of officers shooting dogs on "no knock warrants". Is this some new policy we should know something about?


I also notice a blatant hypocrisy being practiced here. If anybody dares to proclaim they feel threatened by a police dog, and they take action to negate the threat, the City/State/Feds always lower the boom on the person that "attacked an officer". What gives with the appearent conflict?


Is this just another case of "there's two kinds of people"?

[potter]

I wish Americans would wake up to the LIE being sold to them by all of BI-PARTISAN GOVERNMENT.

Neither major party is entitled to anyones vote, they have to earn it...

What has either party done in the last 20 years to earn ANY votes? They have both done more damage to this country than our most publicly recognized and villainized "enemies".......yet sheeple still want to vote them in hoping the people who created the problems, will suddenly change their agenda and fix the problems THEY created for MUTUAL bi-partisan benefit.

I am beginning to think the American public is a chamois of hypocrisy, because thats all I get out of them when they are challenged or "squeezed".

I have to agree with you Osborn. Thanks for posting this. I just found this story this morning and it made my blood just boil......:fight:

[Osborn F. Enready]

Thanks Potter...

I don't care what uniform is being worn... people stomp through my door waving guns and shooting my animals, they WILL BE SHOT WITH EXTREME PREJUDICE BEFORE I ASK QUESTIONS... much like they are treating me, my family and property.... a vest won't stop what I will be sending in their direction.

[River]

And the saddest part in all this.......



Pr. George's Police Arrest 2 In Marijuana-Shipping Plot
One Package Went to Mayor's Wife


By Rosalind S. Helderman and Aaron C. Davis
Washington Post Staff Writers
Thursday, August 7, 2008; Page A01

Prince George's County police announced yesterday that they have arrested a deliveryman and another man who they say are involved in a scheme to smuggle marijuana by shipping packages addressed to unsuspecting recipients, including a delivery last week to the wife of the mayor of Berwyn Heights.

[Osborn F. Enready]

All of this because people are trying to avoid the UNCONSTITUTIONAL PROHIBTION OF A VEGETABLE......

I ask reasonable people.... is it worth it to attempt to prohibit vegetables from a willing consumer?

[River]

Worse yet...


The ineptness of the people hired to protect us turn out to be the ones we should fear the most.

[River]

I can see the lawsuits now.....


The Calvos sue the County

The County sues FedEx

FedEx sues the Calvos for who knows, but Im sure some snarky attorney will figure it out.




Rediculous.

[Buck Laser]

They felt threatened by black labs? Give me a freaking break; the dog is one of the most gentlest in the canine community.

I guarantee someone bursts into my house and shoots my dogs they will not be leaving the premises with all body parts attached.

I live in Md, and would really like to find out who those so called officers were and see their asses hung out to dry.
Maybe they were afraid of being licked to death. :madlaugh:

It's rare that I jump on a story like this that everyone else is commenting on, too. But the stupidity of these cops comes very close to the ineptitude of the FBI in going after the anthrax guy.

I do not quite share the antipathy the libertarians here display toward properly constituted authority, but I've see how stupidly law enforcement have dealt with a lot of people over my lifetime--and the enthusiasm some people seem to have for hardasses like this dude in AZ. I guess that if you don't feel threatened personally, abuses lie this don't matter.

[Milton Bradley]

I do not quite share the antipathy the libertarians here display toward properly constituted authority, but I've see how stupidly law enforcement have dealt with a lot of people over my lifetime--and the enthusiasm some people seem to have for hardasses like this dude in AZ. I guess that if you don't feel threatened personally, abuses lie this don't matter.


It's not just the this act alone, but the trend overall. This stuff seems to be happening more, and more, and that is reason to be concerned.


I'll let you in on a little secret here as well. Our little libertarian contingent that migrated here from that other forum seem to have an uncanny knack for spotting these trends, and sounding the alarm.


We have been called alarmists, but I son't consider it alarmists when you're eventaully proven right.

[NIOSA]

I probably shouldnt have been, but I was shocked watching this story. I couldn't believe it.

[sam]

Thanks Potter...

I don't care what uniform is being worn... people stomp through my door waving guns and shooting my animals, they WILL BE SHOT WITH EXTREME PREJUDICE BEFORE I ASK QUESTIONS... much like they are treating me, my family and property.... a vest won't stop what I will be sending in their direction.

That would be fairly close to my response as well, except we don't own any guns. But I'm pretty sure an some ordinary kichen utensils can be quite deadly.

[Mia]

Join the revolution, people!

Legalize the constitution.

(I'm the one in the Ron Paul shirt ;-):



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[Milton Bradley]

Mia, not onlt is your video not showing, it seems to have screwed up the entire bottom of the page.


I can't quote you, or see anything South of your big red X.

[Mia]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsKU_ZgL2jU

[Cobra]

That would be fairly close to my response as well, except we don't own any guns. But I'm pretty sure an some ordinary kichen utensils can be quite deadly.

They would just get you shot. If swat busts thru you're door, better dead dogs and a lawsuit for the shitty police work later than dead/arrested yourself.