Another Rightwinger Comparing Obama to Hitler

[ECW]

Will these idiots never give it up?

In just another sorry example of how low the right will go to smear anyone they do not agree with, Chuck Krauthammer is the Idiot Du Jour. What makes people like this stoop to these kinds of references? Hitler was the worst of the worst and nothing in American politics compares to the monster Hitler was but dumbasses like Krauthammer keep throwing their crap against the wall hoping some of it will stick. Sweet Jesus!

Krauthammer was asked if Obama got a bounce from his appearance in Germany and this is his response:


KRAUTHAMMER: I’m not sure — I don’t think he got a bounce. I’m not sure it was his intention. You don’t get a bounce out of standing in front of 200,000 Germans at a rally who are chanting your name. Bad vibes sometimes, historically.


How in God's name did a simple political appearance become a Nazi rally in this idiot's mind? Obsessing about Germany after all this time and trying to compare a brilliant speaker to Hitler.

Talk about poor taste.

Talk about Obama Derangement Syndrome.

6eKcszDGUiE

[NortheastCynic]

I don't like Krauthammer, but this was clearly a joke.

-NC

[Defensor]

What an insult to Hitler.

Politically there's not much difference between Obama and Hitler though. Both represent big government socialism, global militarism, fascist "national service" programs, a self-centered personality cult, etc.

[Alonzo]

Only in America, can a young black man grow up to be Hitler.

[DamnYankee]

Much ado about nothing.

You people are overreacting.

[Shoey]

>What an insult to Hitler. <

Politically there's not much difference between Obama and Hitler though. Both represent big government socialism, global militarism, fascist "national service" programs, a self-centered personality cult, etc.

What Houdini hat did you pull that quote from Defensor? Do you honestly believe Obama will murder over 1 million Jews????

[Shoey]

http://www.nogw.com/images/time_machine.jpg

^ I thought BushCo was Hitler? :confused:

[heyjude]

What Houdini hat did you pull that quote from Defensor? Do you honestly believe Obama will murder over 1 million Jews????

No. Do I believe his followers who get power will use it to punish everyone who doesn't think he's god? Yes. They are showing they are very good at that right now. Of course, its not Obama's fault. He knows nothing about how abusive his followers are. Just like he didn't know about Wright. Obama is so pure, the evil his friends do does not touch him.

[Buck Laser]

No. Do I believe his followers who get power will use it to punish everyone who doesn't think he's god? Yes. They are showing they are very good at that right now. Of course, its not Obama's fault. He knows nothing about how abusive his followers are. Just like he didn't know about Wright. Obama is so pure, the evil his friends do does not touch him.

Let me get this straight. You don't think Obama is Hitler, but you think his followers are Nazis? Is that what you think? I take direct personal insult from that.

[NortheastCynic]

I must have missed the word 'Nazi' in Heyjude's post.

-NC

[Buck Laser]

I must have missed the word 'Nazi' in Heyjude's post.

-NC
NC, this is what Heyjude wrote: "Do I believe his followers who get power will use it to punish everyone who doesn't think he's god?"

Hitler's followers were known as Nazis. She makes direct reference to Obama's "followers." I think the analogy is entirely apt.

[NortheastCynic]

She also said 'they are showing they are very good at it right now'. If you want to use the Nazi analogy, that's cool, but I don't think that's what HeyJude was getting at [correct me if I'm wrong, HeyJude].

-NC

[Sirk]

What an insult to Hitler.

Wow. What an insult to millions.

Economic depression and pulling out of a country that needs our help is going to be worse than genocide?

[Defensor]

Wow. What an insult to millions.

Economic depression and pulling out of a country that needs our help is going to be worse than genocide?
Of course Obama will cause economic depression just like every president in recent memory has, but the only country that needs our help is the U.S.A. and Obama won't pull the government out of it. :confused:

[ilikegw]

Will the idiot liberals ever give up comparing bush to Hitler? Wah, boo hoo. When the shoe is on the other foot the liberals have a cow.

Washington Times - Ads compare Bush to Hitler
Jewish advocacy groups led an avalanche of sharp criticism yesterday against two potential television ads that compare President Bush to Adolf Hitler.
www.washtimes.com/news/2004/jan/05/20040105-114507-1007r/

I think comparing anyone to Hitler is wrong and hurtful to the people who were directly affected by Hitler and "his followers".

[Wndrtch]

Will these idiots never give it up?

In just another sorry example of how low the right will go to smear anyone they do not agree with, Chuck Krauthammer is the Idiot Du Jour. What makes people like this stoop to these kinds of references? Hitler was the worst of the worst and nothing in American politics compares to the monster Hitler was but dumbasses like Krauthammer keep throwing their crap against the wall hoping some of it will stick. Sweet Jesus!

Krauthammer was asked if Obama got a bounce from his appearance in Germany and this is his response:


KRAUTHAMMER: I’m not sure — I don’t think he got a bounce. I’m not sure it was his intention. You don’t get a bounce out of standing in front of 200,000 Germans at a rally who are chanting your name. Bad vibes sometimes, historically.


How in God's name did a simple political appearance become a Nazi rally in this idiot's mind? Obsessing about Germany after all this time and trying to compare a brilliant speaker to Hitler.

Talk about poor taste.

Talk about Obama Derangement Syndrome.

6eKcszDGUiE

Sorry ECW, that was a fancy way of saying, "poor choice of venues, Obama".

The other point being made is that generally speaking, Americans elect Americans to be the President of America, not "a child of the World". Seeing him standing before throngs of Germans (or "foreigners") cheering him on makes some ask, "where is his loyalty, to the "World" or America?" There IS a difference.

So, we have one more clear distinction between Obama and McCain.

McCain is a Nationalist

Obama is a Globalist

[ilikegw]

Obama is a Stupidest.

[Defensor]

McCain is a Nationalist
Maybe in some ways an Israeli Nationalist or a Mexican Nationalist, but overall, no, McCain is a globalist.

[Sirk]

I think comparing anyone to Hitler is wrong and hurtful to the people who were directly affected by Hitler and "his followers".
Thank you. I think comparing either man to Hitler is the height of stupidity.

[Rage]

You cant really blame people for comparing obama to Hitler, he sounds just like him only he is black and doesn't roll with the swastika.

Same socialist ploy, same man behind the mask seeking bigger government and to limit the choices you can make.

#off topic
And as for general Hitler comparisons, they don't mean a full 100% clone of hitler, they just compare certain aspects of Hitler.

[IndieVisible]

What an insult to Hitler.

Politically there's not much difference between Obama and Hitler though. Both represent big government socialism, global militarism, fascist "national service" programs, a self-centered personality cult, etc.

Hmmmm,

Obama, against dumb wars.

McCain, bomb Iran, 100 years is ok in Iraq

Hitler, I WANT THE WORLD!

[Defensor]

Obama, against dumb wars.

McCain, bomb Iran, 100 years is ok in Iraq

Hitler, I WANT THE WORLD!

Obama, neocon warmonger who won't get us out of Iraq and who has "all options on the table" with Iran

McCain, neocon warmonger who won't get us out of Iraq and who has "all options on the table" with Iran

Where's the difference?

Oh but Obama would shift the neocon imperialist war campaign to focus on Afghanistan and Pakistan so that makes it all better.

[IndieVisible]

Obama, neocon warmonger who won't get us out of Iraq and who has "all options on the table" with Iran

McCain, neocon warmonger who won't get us out of Iraq and who has "all options on the table" with Iran

Where's the difference?

Oh but Obama would shift the neocon imperialist war campaign to focus on Afghanistan and Pakistan so that makes it all better.

Obama 16 months withdraw

McCain 100 years is ok.

Neither are necons, thats the only thing they have in common.

Every politician has to keep all the options on the table, did you not know that? I would too!

[Defensor]

Obama 16 months withdraw
Oh but of course he "can't make any promises" and has already begun "refining" his position to fit the AIPAC agenda to a tee. (http://factcheck.barackobama.com/factcheck/2008/07/03/obama_has_consistently_said_he.php) Of course he is only reverting back to the staunch "stay the course" position he held while running for the U.S. Senate back in 2004.

Never mind the fact that Obama surrounds himself with warhawks (http://socialistworker.org/2008/06/18/obama-circle-of-hawks) and speaks like any true neocon would. (http://www.wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/1362)

But hey, we'll take him on his word, just like he promised to oppose any bill which contained telecom amnesty for illegal wiretapping.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kFrFIFizkU

McCain 100 years is ok.

Neither are necons, thats the only thing they have in common.
Both of them are neocons and they're identical on every issue that matters.

They are big government socialists at home and warmongering neocons abroad.

Every politician has to keep all the options on the table, did you not know that? I would too!

Responsible statesmen would not have pre-emptive war on the table, no. This is a Hitler comparison thread, isn't it?

[IndieVisible]

Oh but of course he "can't make any promises" and has already begun "refining" his position to fit the AIPAC agenda to a tee. (http://factcheck.barackobama.com/factcheck/2008/07/03/obama_has_consistently_said_he.php) Of course he is only reverting back to the staunch "stay the course" position he held while running for the U.S. Senate back in 2004.

Never mind the fact that Obama surrounds himself with warhawks (http://socialistworker.org/2008/06/18/obama-circle-of-hawks) and speaks like any true neocon would. (http://www.wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/1362)

But hey, we'll take him on his word, just like he promised to oppose any bill which contained telecom amnesty for illegal wiretapping.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kFrFIFizkU


Both of them are neocons and they're identical on every issue that matters.

They are big government socialists at home and warmongering neocons abroad.



Responsible statesmen would not have pre-emptive war on the table, no. This is a Hitler comparison thread, isn't it?

There is no Hilter comparison between either candidate here because Hitler was a Jew hating closet homosexual who wanted to conqueer the world and failed miseribly.

McCain is a old man who still thinks he is cool and is a notch further left then most of his conservatives.

Obama is a young man who wants to change the direction we are going in. Politically he is only a notch further to the left then moderate Democrats.

your arguments are based on nothing but your personal feelings. You ignore what they say and instead chose to project your own interpretations based entirely on your over imagination.

I fail to see how any one could compare even McCain who is more like a warmonger then Obama to the likes of Hitler.

So if you don't like either of these two which little hitler do you like?

[Defensor]

There is no Hilter comparison between either candidate here because Hitler was a Jew hating closet homosexual who wanted to conqueer the world and failed miseribly.
Hitler was a socialist who expanded and centralized his government, pre-emptively invaded other countries, established strict national service programmes, and put the government in bed with corporate industrialists. McCain and Obama both fit the mold.

McCain is a old man who still thinks he is cool and is a notch further left then most of his conservatives.

Obama is a young man who wants to change the direction we are going in. Politically he is only a notch further to the left then moderate Democrats.
Pretty hilarious that you accuse me of basing arguments on "nothing but personal feelings" a paragraph later.

your arguments are based on nothing but your personal feelings. You ignore what they say and instead chose to project your own interpretations based entirely on your over imagination.
Wow. Actually I included plenty of links. Yours are the ones based on personal feelings. Sorry if you prefer to stick your head in the sand and believe the media about a flip-flopping neocon like Barack Obama, who will change nothing.

I fail to see how any one could compare even McCain who is more like a warmonger then Obama to the likes of Hitler.
Hitler was a better orator, but otherwise, they're the same.

[IndieVisible]

Hitler was a socialist who expanded and centralized his government, pre-emptively invaded other countries, established strict national service programmes, and put the government in bed with corporate industrialists. McCain and Obama both fit the mold.

To begin with Hilter was not really a socialist, he was a fascist, other side of the political spectrum. But I can understand why you might consider him a socialist if you knew the name of the nazi party was originally National Socialism. Very misleading term for their party and they finally should their true colors when they turned nazi party.

The nazis had no social programs in place, they were simply a national totalitarianism party led by a dictator. There is no doubt they wanted to appear socialist in the beginning, appeal to people, etc.

Nazi Party (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism)

Fascism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism)

Pretty hilarious that you accuse me of basing arguments on "nothing but personal feelings" a paragraph later.


Wow. Actually I included plenty of links. Yours are the ones based on personal feelings. Sorry if you prefer to stick your head in the sand and believe the media about a flip-flopping neocon like Barack Obama, who will change nothing.

Actually all I seen was your youtube link, but if you say so.

you keep calling Obama and McCain neocons, despite the fact that neither really are that.

Here is what it means, neocon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neocon).

How you can call them both Hilters who *you* identify as socialists, and call them neocons in the same sentence is beyond logic. Two opposite extremes.

I suppose you could call McCain a neocon, even though I don't believe he is, and not just me either. Most conservatives are not happy with him. He is too liberal for a conservative.

I didn't provide links because I really believed all this was common knowledge.

I don't think your interested in the facts any way and all this is probably a waste of time as you already have your mind made up and no matter what any one says won't matter. But at least apply neocon, socialist, fascist more appropriately.

Also you never answered my question, if you do not like Obama or McCain, then which little hitler do you like?


Hitler was a better orator, but otherwise, they're the same.

This is what I mean by all you are doing is projecting your own opinion based on nothing but your imagination.

But here is where I get to do the same too.

I prefer Obama but will not be too upset if McCain wins, heres why.

Obama is a Liberal Democrat
McCain is a Liberal Republican

BOTH will piss off conservatives. I can live with that.

[AnnEsthesia]

Obama, neocon warmonger who won't get us out of Iraq and who has "all options on the table" with Iran

McCain, neocon warmonger who won't get us out of Iraq and who has "all options on the table" with Iran

Where's the difference?

Oh but Obama would shift the neocon imperialist war campaign to focus on Afghanistan and Pakistan so that makes it all better.

I thought they were both socialists, according to you. Now they are neocons?

[Defensor]

To begin with Hilter was not really a socialist, he was a fascist, other side of the political spectrum. But I can understand why you might consider him a socialist if you knew the name of the nazi party was originally National Socialism. Very misleading term for their party and they finally should their true colors when they turned nazi party.
Socialism and fascism are on the same side of the spectrum, and yes, National Socialists are socialists.


I didn't provide links because I really believed all this was common knowledge.You can't make claims and then not back them up. Not everyone watches Fox News here.

I don't think your interested in the facts any way and all this is probably a waste of time as you already have your mind made up and no matter what any one says won't matter. But at least apply neocon, socialist, fascist more appropriately.
Stop projecting your problems onto me. I'm the one arguing with facts. You're the one arguing with naïve emotions and expecting everyone to just follow suit.

you keep calling Obama and McCain neocons, despite the fact that neither really are that.

Here is what it means, neocon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neocon).

How you can call them both Hilters who *you* identify as socialists, and call them neocons in the same sentence is beyond logic. Two opposite extremes.

I suppose you could call McCain a neocon, even though I don't believe he is, and not just me either. Most conservatives are not happy with him. He is too liberal for a conservative.


Also you never answered my question, if you do not like Obama or McCain, then which little hitler do you like?

This is what I mean by all you are doing is projecting your own opinion based on nothing but your imagination.

But here is where I get to do the same too.

I prefer Obama but will not be too upset if McCain wins, heres why.

Obama is a Liberal Democrat
McCain is a Liberal Republican

BOTH will piss off conservatives. I can live with that.Neoconism and socialism go hand in hand. The forefather of the Neocon movement is Leon Trotsky, and many of the first neocons were members of the Fourth International. Spreading global worldwide revolution, whether done in the name of 'socialism' or in the name of 'democracy,' is pretty much the same thing.

Of course conservatives aren't going to he be happy this election. We want change. These neocon-men aren't bringing any to the table.

[Defensor]

Hey Buck, thanks for the red, you got any actual facts to back up your claims?

[NortheastCynic]

Defensor is quite right. Neoconservatism has its roots in revolutionary socialism. This isn't an opinion, but a fact. When thought through it does make some sense. Using other people's money to fund military expeditions 'liberating' oppressed civilians/workers worldwide screams 'leftist'.

-NC

[IndieVisible]

Socialism and fascism are on the same side of the spectrum, and yes, National Socialists are socialists.


You can't make claims and then not back them up. Not everyone watches Fox News here.


Stop projecting your problems onto me. I'm the one arguing with facts. You're the one arguing with naïve emotions and expecting everyone to just follow suit.

Neoconism and socialism go hand in hand. The forefather of the Neocon movement is Leon Trotsky, and many of the first neocons were members of the Fourth International. Spreading global worldwide revolution, whether done in the name of 'socialism' or in the name of 'democracy,' is pretty much the same thing.

Of course conservatives aren't going to he be happy this election. We want change. These neocon-men aren't bringing any to the table.

Show me a link that says neocons is the same as socialism.

[Defensor]

Show me a link that says neocons is the same as socialism.
That's a rather juvenile response. Firstly, you misrepresented what I said. Secondly, you ignored my logical arguments instead asking me to show you a link. Anyone can make a website to link to. How about investigating what I actually said?


But here are some links anyway...

http://www.antiwar.com/justin/j061303.html

http://www.lewrockwell.com/dmccarthy/dmccarthy23.html

http://antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=7294

http://home.alphalink.com.au/~radnat/austindependence/neo-cons.html

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/graphic/2008/02/01/GR2008020102389.html?referrer=emaillinkpg

[IndieVisible]

That's a rather juvenile response. Firstly, you misrepresented what I said. Secondly, you ignored my logical arguments instead asking me to show you a link. Anyone can make a website to link to. How about investigating what I actually said?

I fail to see how a conservative and socialist can be the same. I ask for link so I can research what you said.

[Defensor]

I fail to see how a conservative and socialist can be the same. I ask for link so I can research what you said.

Nobody is talking about conservatism here.

[IndieVisible]

Nobody is talking about conservatism here.

my understanding of neocons is that they were liberals who moved to the right
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservatism

Ronald Reagan and GW Bush come to mind.

NEOConservatism = neocon

[Defensor]

my understanding of neocons is that they were liberals who moved to the right
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The neo-Trotksyites never moved anywhere. They just put a fresh coat of paint on their socialism, hence the neocon ideology.

Ronald Reagan and GW Bush come to mind.

Conservatism.
Reagan and Bush are neocons, not conservatives.