sexual orientation

[DHard3006]

The perversion of homosexuality is a sexual orientation per the people that defend this perversion.

The definition of sexual orientation is:
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nature of sexual preference: the direction of somebody's sexual desire, toward people of the opposite sex, people of the same sex, or people of both sexes

Let’s examine what other sexual orientations there are.

Rapist would fit the definition of sexual orientation. Why? Simple because rapist have a sexual desire, toward people of the opposite sex, people of the same sex, or people of both sexes.

Child molesters would also fit this definition. Why? Simple because child molesters have a sexual desire, toward people of the opposite sex, people of the same sex, or people of both sexes.

How about a person into necrophilia? That would fit. Why? Simple because a necrophiliac has a sexual desire, toward people of the opposite sex, people of the same sex, or people of both sexes.

Why is it ok to ban these sexual orientation and not the perversion of homosexuality?

[underdawg]

First off, Rape is an act of aggression against another person, and has nothing to do with sexual orientation. It is punished because the other person is an unwilling participant in the sexual act.

Child molestation is not concidered a sexual orientation either. We have laws to protect children in this country because they are not adults yet and need to be protected.

Necrophilia is not a sexual orientation either. having sex with the dead doesn't really hurt the dead, but it does disrespect those who are in mourning over the dead. And I guess technically having sex with a dead person is not between two consenting adults, because the dead do not make choices.

What goes on sexually between two consenting adults in the privacy of their own bedrooms, should not be the business of the government or anyone for that matter. You might not like what they do, and think it morally wrong, but it is actually not the government's business to interfere.

[DHard3006]

First off, Rape is an act of aggression against another person, and has nothing to do with sexual orientation.
Rapist fits the definition of sexual orientation.
Â*Â*It is punished because the other person is an unwilling participant in the sexual act.
Most rapist state their thought their victim wanted to be raped.
It is punished because the other person is an unwilling participant in the sexual act.
Child molester fits the definition of sexual orientation.
Child molesters like rapist also feel their victims want them to do it.
Â*Â*Necrophilia is not a sexual orientation either.
Necrophilia fits the definition of sexual orientation.

No where in the definition of sexual orientation does it have an exclusion clause.
No where in the definition of sexual orientation does it say the sexual desire has to be consensual.

[piratemonkey]

You have committed a very basic logical error.

Your definition of sexual preference:

nature of sexual preference: the direction of somebody's sexual desire, toward people of the opposite sex, people of the same sex, or people of both sexes


Rapist would fit the definition of sexual orientation. Why? Simple because rapist have a sexual desire, toward people of the opposite sex, people of the same sex, or people of both sexes.

So a rapist can "have a sexual desire, toward people of the opposite sex, people of the same sex, or people of both sexes."
Why does that make "Rape" a sexual preference?

An airline pilot can "have a sexual desire, toward people of the opposite sex, people of the same sex, or people of both sexes."
Is "flying" a sexual preference?

Still waiting for the quote you claim I forged...Â*Â*What?Â*Â*It doesn't exist? Oh, that's what I thought.

[underdawg]

"Mommy, the scary man is doing it again."

"Shhhhh, just turn your head and ignore him and maybe he will stop."

[bobbylien]

Let’s examine what other sexual orientations there are.

Rapist would fit the definition of sexual orientation. Why? Simple because rapist have a sexual desire, toward people of the opposite sex, people of the same sex, or people of both sexes.

Child molesters would also fit this definition. Why? Simple because child molesters have a sexual desire, toward people of the opposite sex, people of the same sex, or people of both sexes.

How about a person into necrophilia? That would fit. Why? Simple because a necrophiliac has a sexual desire, toward people of the opposite sex, people of the same sex, or people of both sexes.

Why is it ok to ban these sexual orientation and not the perversion of homosexuality?

Umm... because these harm people who don't consent to the act. :rolleyes:
The reality is that gays aren't harming anybody and you just can't accept that.

[Labrocca]

At one point Homosexuality was outlawed and banned in most states. Some states still have laws against homosexual acts or even heterosexual ones (felatio or sodomy).

Some feel that 14 (brazil) or 15 (sweden) is an adult..would it be ok to have sex with a consenting 15 year old? In some states the law is 16!

Here is a good read on the subject.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodomy_law

If you notice that sodomy laws that were repealed in the US are mostly in the mid 70's. WTF happened to the world?

[DHard3006]

Umm... because these harm people who don't consent to the act.
The definition of sexual orientation does not mention anything about rather or not it harms someone.
If the perversion of homosexuality is a choice is it not harming a child to place them in a perverted homosexual setting? Does not give the child much of a choice does it?

[piratemonkey]

At one point Homosexuality was outlawed and banned in most states. Some states still have laws against homosexual acts or even heterosexual ones (felatio or sodomy).


Those laws, if they still exist, are unconstitutional.

Legal analysts said the ruling enshrines for the first time a broad constitutional right to sexual privacy, and its impact would reach beyond Texas and 12 other states with similar sodomy laws applied against the gay and lesbian community, and into mainstream America.

"The petitioners are entitled to respect for their private lives," Justice Anthony Kennedy wrote for the court's majority. "The state cannot demean their existence or control their destiny by making their private sexual conduct a crime."

http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/06/26/scotus.sodomy/

[underdawg]

I don't think the government should have any say what consenting adults do in the privacy of their own bedrooms. I do not think that adults should have sex with anyone under the age of 18 whether they are gay or straight. If adolescents have sex with each other, I don't think it be a crime under the government , but subject to the punishment of the parent.

[piratemonkey]

Luckily, the Supreme Court agrees with you.

[dgridley]

Well, this is kind of a moot point for me because I happen to think homosexuals are born, not made..

[piratemonkey]

If the perversion of homosexuality is a choice is it not harming a child to place them in a perverted homosexual setting? Does not give the child much of a choice does it?


Neither does a child get a choice what race she is, or if she has one parent or two, or if she's left handed or not.

To establish that placing a child in a homosexual household is harmful... you have to show that homosexuality is harmful.

You haven't done that yet. Lack of ability to reproduce/=harm.

[DHard3006]

EMPTY SPACE VOID OF ANY INTELLECTUAL FACTS

Homosexuality is a perversion and placing a heterosexual child in a perverted environment is harmful.

After all since the perversion of homosexuality is a sexual orientation that makes it choice. So all children are born heterosexuals from heterosexual reproduction.

[bobbylien]

EMPTY SPACE VOID OF ANY INTELLECTUAL FACTS

Or in other words... I'm not listening.. I'm not listening. :D
Your brain is the only empty space void of any intellectual facts.

[BoogyMan]

DHard, while I agree that homosexuality is wrong and should be condemned, it is completely disingenuous to link homosexuality to rapists, necrophiliacs, and molesters.

You have not provided support for your argument.

[Labrocca]

Well, this is kind of a moot point for me because I happen to think homosexuals are born, not made..


And what if they prove Pedophiles are the same way?

[DHard3006]

You have not provided support for your argument.

I did not write the definition for sexual orientation. Now rapist and child molesters fit that definition.

Would polygamist fit the definition of sexual orientation? Appears they would.

There are some people that only have sex with prostitutes. Would these people fit that definition? Appears they would.

People that defend the perversion of homosexuality use sexual orientation for it’s defense.

So if the above sexual orientation are illegal why is the perversion of homosexuality not?

[Mayberry]

And what if they prove Pedophiles are the same way? Hmmmmmm. Put that in your pipe and smoke it. Though it will probably never be researched because it isn't a socially "popular" concept, if pedophilia were found to be an inherited trait, the fact would probably be quietly hidden away because it would open a really nasty Pandora's Box.

[bobbylien]

And what if they prove Pedophiles are the same way?

Then we lock them up until we find a cure for it, you can't let someone harm innocent people.

[underdawg]

It really doesn't matter how these people came to be pedophiles, because the object of their sexual desire is off limits period. Children are to be protected and if these people go after children, then they should go to prison.

Homosexuality, whether it is caused by genetics or environmental forses is not really the point when it comes to the law . If two concenting adults want to have sex and a relationship, it should not be anyone's business except the two individuals involved.

[Mayberry]

But if homosexuality is an inherited trait, and pedophilia is an inherited trait, the argument will be made that if homosexuality is ok, then so must pedophilia be. Pedophilia obviously is NOT ok, so the opposite argument could be made that neither is homosexuality, consenting adults notwithstanding. What if the pedophile and the child were consenting? I understand legally the child cannot give consent.

[underdawg]

The reason pedophilia is not okay is because it involves children. If heterosexuality, homosexuality, any sexuality is proved to be inherited, what would be your point? All that would mean is that sexuality is not a choice. Now when two consenting adults decide to have sex with each other in the privacy of their own home, it is their own business. Just because your Bible says it is wrong doesn't make it illegal. The last I heard, the Constitution is the ultimate law of the land and not the Bible, though some of you might think differently.

[Alonzo]

But if homosexuality is an inherited trait, and pedophilia is an inherited trait, the argument will be made that if homosexuality is ok, then so must pedophilia be. Pedophilia obviously is NOT ok, so the opposite argument could be made that neither is homosexuality, consenting adults notwithstanding. What if the pedophile and the child were consenting? I understand legally the child cannot give consent.

The only important part is in bold.

Though, on a side note, pedophilia is associated with psychological problem beyond the actual attraction. Homosexuality, in and of itself, does not come about from or produce psychological issues.

As far as I know, no data shows pedophilia to be inherited. But some forms are very stable, some are temporary. It can be brought on by stress and life situations. In those cases it usually goes away when the situation changes. But for some, fixated pedophiles, there's nothing you can do. Though pedophiles, as a whole, are not as emotionally mature as the average adult.

[DHard3006]

consenting adults notwithstanding.
Again we get the consenting adult bs. The sexual orientation of prostitution and polygamist are consenting adults. These are illegal.
Why is the sexual orientation of the perversion of homosexuality any different?

[underdawg]

It seems funny that you would say that about polygamy when some of God's favorite people in the Bible were big time polygamists. This country just makes it illegal to marry only one person at a time, but there really isn't a law against someone living with multiple partners. I think one of the main reasons that prostitution is illegal, is that the government can't take it's share of the taxes from the money that prostitutes make. If it were just two consenting adults having sex, the government shouldn't care. It really does come down to consenting adults doing as they please with each other and you can't stand the thought of it.

[DHard3006]

but there really isn't a law against someone living with multiple partners.
Polygamy is married to more then one person. So play your word games all you want.
At one time most if not every state had laws against shacking up(living with) people.

[Anti-Racism]

It seems funny that you would say that about polygamy when some of God's favorite people in the Bible were big time polygamists.


What's wrong with polygamy? We accept sluts, gays, and even necrophiles in some states (LA). Why not polygamists? Does it offend feminists or something?

;)

[Mayberry]

What's wrong with polygamy? Nothing. Though why on earth you'd want more than one wife is beyond me.

[underdawg]

Hmmm, wonder if a woman wanted more than one husband?

[Mayberry]

Hmmm, wonder if a woman wanted more than one husband?



Yuck.

[Flea_Bit_Monkey]

Hmmm, wonder if a woman wanted more than one husband?


My wife usually want's one less husband! :D

[Alonzo]

Hmmm, wonder if a woman wanted more than one husband?


BEIJING, Dec 28 (Reuter) - Chinese officials have lashed out at a rampant
resurgence of traditional polyandry in Tibet in violation of the marriage law,
vowing to stamp out a practice triggering promiscuity among women who cannot
find husbands.


http://www.tibet.ca/en/wtnarchive/1994/12/28_1.html

Polyandry is also the dominate form of relationships in the Musuo culture in China. While the reason for it being a matriarchy are not so enlightened (it was down to keep the peasants in check, but the old ruling class is long gone), it exists as a matriarchy to this day, with wives in charge of the land and home.

[Anti-Racism]

Legalize bestiality!