Man beaten with baby

[Alonzo]

ERIE, Pennsylvania (AP) -- A woman used her 4-week-old baby as a weapon in a domestic dispute, swinging the infant through the air and striking her boyfriend with the child, authorities said.

The baby boy was in serious but stable condition Monday at Children's Hospital in Pittsburgh, police said.

"Never, never, never. I can never remember anything like this," District Attorney Bradley Foulk told the Erie Times-News.

Chytoria Graham, 27, of Erie, was charged with aggravated assault, reckless endangerment and simple assault. She was held Monday in the Erie County Jail in lieu of $75,000 bail.

The infant, whose name was not released, suffered a fractured skull and some bleeding in the brain, authorities said. His head hit Graham's boyfriend, the baby's father, police Lt. Dan Spizarny said.

Authorities removed four other children from Graham's home and placed them with the Erie County Office of Children and Youth, Foulk said.



http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/10/09/baby.weapon.ap/index.html?section=cnn_topstories

[lily]

I had to read that twice. I thought to myself, I had to be reading it wrong.

[BoogyMan]

I prize my family above all things in my physical life and how someone could do such a heinous thing evades me.

What kind of sicko is this woman?

[underdawg]

I can't imagine what that woman could have been thinking to have done such a horrible thing to her own child.

[firefox]

Dude this is weirder than the three-foot aligator thing. I wonder how many 'dead baby' jokes this will spawn. Also, have the relatives been contacted yet? CPS-like government agencies aren't known for being good for children...

[sbannon]

This likely won't be a popular opinion here, but I think the story is a clear display of why anti-abortion thinking and the over coddling and protection of children is bad. Too many of the wrong kind of people are born and grow up to have children of their own.

When I was little the kids who weren't really right in the head were the ones who rode their bikes off of high cliffs or played once too often on the train tracks. Maybe, despite our best intentions God, Evolution or a mixture of both don't intend for every child to grow up; the whole survival of the fitest thing? Maybe some are only meant to be here for a short time and serve as examples for others, and we're ruining that grand plan by over protecting and coddling them; not allowing the really bad seeds to meet their early bad seed's fate if you will?

Ditto with anti-abortion thinking. Maybe some people just aren't meant to be parents and some children just aren't meant to be born in the first place.

This is the woman's fifth child. With all that practice she still obviously shouldn't be in charge of children... or having them in my opinion.

[Elrathin]

You know in a heat of an argument and with the want and need to grab an item to throw or hit somebody with, I cannot believe she picked a baby.

[underdawg]

Should some people be spayed and neutered?

[rodeojones903]

Chytoria? :D

[lily]

When I was little the kids who weren't really right in the head were the ones who rode their bikes off of high cliffs or played once too often on the train tracks. Maybe, despite our best intentions God, Evolution or a mixture of both don't intend for every child to grow up; the whole survival of the fitest thing? Maybe some are only meant to be here for a short time and serve as examples for others, and we're ruining that grand plan by over protecting and coddling them; not allowing the really bad seeds to meet their early bad seed's fate if you will?




I don't know sbannon........I think there is a big difference between "God's Will" and using your baby as a weapon.


underdawg

Should some people be spayed and neutered?

While I will admit, there are a few in my family who I think this should apply to........who gets to decide?

Rodeojones

Chytoria?

I looked this up in two different dictionaries.........help me out here.;)

[underdawg]

I know a few people in my family that should be fixed also, but the last thing in the world that I want is having the government telling people what they can and can not do with their own bodies.

[lily]

We are in agreement there!

[sbannon]

Lily, my point was that maybe this woman wouldn't have been born at all, or made it to the ripe ol' age of 27 and given birth to 5 children (one of which she seems to have mixed up with a baseball bat) if there were less religious pressures against abortion and we didn't coddle kids to near living in a bubble status.

Maybe she would have, who knows. I was venting a rant regarding too many of the wrong kind of people in the world and this lady was an easy target.

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. But we as a group have failed to see one little point in this story.
2. I bet you folks who have posted on this thread, a dime to a donut that this lady is a liberal.
3. I say this because that the liberal mindset is a throw away mindset.
4. Able to flush a human life at a drop of a hat.
5. Liberals have lost their moral compass.
6. If they ever had one, that is.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[Elrathin]

2. I bet you folks who have posted on this thread, a dime to a donut that this lady is a liberal.


Oh what a bunch of BS, you conservatives act like you don't commit crimes or something and liberals commit every crime.

Being insane is not a partisan thing.

[underdawg]

sorry bout that,

1. you know what they say about assumptions

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. But she holds all the tell tell signs.
2. She is black.
3. This fact states two things.
4. She is more likely to vote liberal.
5. She thinks FJ Kennedy is still alive.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[lily]

Lily, my point was that maybe this woman wouldn't have been born at all, or made it to the ripe ol' age of 27 and given birth to 5 children (one of which she seems to have mixed up with a baseball bat) if there were less religious pressures against abortion and we didn't coddle kids to near living in a bubble status.

Maybe she would have, who knows. I was venting a rant regarding too many of the wrong kind of people in the world and this lady was an easy target.


While I will totally agree with you that some poeple should not have children, I have to ask who gets to decide? I ask this, because it reminds me of a debate I had a while back, someplace else about the forced sterilizationÂ*Â*of the mentally retarded years ago.


I'm also confused when you say coddled children. From the sounds of it, this woman's children were far from being coddled. Just the opposite. It seems that children of abuse get pregnant younger......and keep repeating the cycle of abuse.

[sbannon]

Lily, the beauty of it is that nobody actually has to decide for anyone else. It's natural selection at work. Remove all anti-abortion pressures in society and the most likely women to have an abortion is who? The more selfish and those who are bound to have a disconnect with their children anyway. In other words, the most likely to have abortions are going to be those who are most undesirable to be parents in the first place. Not all of them, but some and I'd guess a majority. That's fewer of the wrong kind of people having kids, and that's a good thing in my book.

As for the coddled point, that was directed (indeirectly) more at the Mother than the 5 children. My point there is just that there was a time when the kids who were "missing a few bricks"--more often than not didn't all make it past puberty. They did crazy things, as was their nature, and they met the fate of doing crazy things.

Today, we put knee-pads on kids riding bikes with training wheels. We're raising soft children and preventing evolution, God or whatever you have faith in from doing its job to thin the herd and advance the species.

Don't get too deep into my notion on this, it's a theory of opinion only.

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. But lets not forget she is a liberal folks.
2. She is a liberal I know it.
3. This kind of action by a liberal dirty's the political waters on the Democrats.
4. Using a baby as a weapon is what the liberals are all about.
5. They even want to use baby's for transplants, instead of just throwing the carcase's away after an abortion.
6. Sick liberals!
7. They are just way to scared to come out and say it, but I know this is what they are wanting.
8. Starting with stem cells.
9. You may repel from this kind of ranker, but its the next step folks, hide and watch!
10. Nothing is below what the liberal mindset will do now.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[Elrathin]

Sorry bout that,

1. But lets not forget she is a liberal folks.
2. She is a liberal I know it.SirJamesofTexas


Provide proof of this or please just stop posting this garbage. Your constant rantings and accusations without proof are just proving that your posts are irrational and just liberal bashing talking points with no substance or proof. In other words, troll like status.

[sbannon]

Chess, you're going beyond yourself with this post. Let's look at how outlandish and unreasonable your comments here are:

1. But lets not forget she is a liberal folks.There's no evidence what so ever that she's liberal or conservative.

2. She is a liberal I know it.Oh, okay, because you "know it" it must be so? What ever happened to facts and proof--have these become quaint words of nostalgia now that no longer have any place in rational discussions?

3. This kind of action by a liberal dirty's the political waters on the Democrats.Even if she were a liberal, what in the world would the insane acts of this lady have to do with politics or Democrats?

4. Using a baby as a weapon is what the liberals are all about.Not that I agree with you at all, but if this was what liberals were all about it could be said that it's no worse than using them for your depraved sexual gratification as one conservative Republican has recently been known to do with children. Is that what conservatives are all about?

5. They even want to use baby's for transplants, instead of just throwing the carcase's away after an abortion.So, you oppose organ donation? You prefer providing worm food to human life saving?

6. Sick liberals!Yes, sick of narrow minded, hypocritical neo-cons.

7. They are just way to scared to come out and say it, but I know this is what they are wanting.Again, when did facts and proof lose all value in American society? Because your posting and opinions seem to completely lack any at all.

8. Starting with stem cells.Actually, some of the strongest supporters of stem cell research are conservative Republicans. Case in point, Lord Reagan's widow, Nancy.

9. You may repel from this kind of ranker, but its the next step folks, hide and watch!Is this a slippery slope argument, and if so, where were you going with it?

10. Nothing is below what the liberal mindset will do now.Except what the neo-cons will do.

[lily]

Sbannon.......I hope you don't mind. I rarely get into the abortion debates, because they ususally end up in name calling and let's face it...... It's something you are either for or against and nothing is going to change your mind. I think we both agree that it is the woman's right to choose.....even thought some of them don't make the right decision....there isn't anything we can do to change that fact. I don't see the anti-abortion pressure you are talking about in my state, but in others I know it exists. One would hope that the ones likely to have abortions are the ones who have a disconnect with their children, but I believe that most of them are poor and or abused anyway. Insecure if you will, thinking that a baby will some how make them complete, or loved...but after 5 you would think they would know better. While I don't approve of welfare funded abortions, those that I speak of would be the ones that would use it. Abortion is not cheap, most that would have one, won't not because of the anti-abortion pressure, but the cost.

I now understand your coddled children theory.......and it does make sense! If only life were that simple.

[lily]

chesswarsnow


5. They even want to use baby's for transplants, instead of just throwing the carcase's away after an abortion.

Seriously chesswars.......you need to get your facts straight. No one want to use discarded aborted babies. What is being asked for is discarded donated eggs, that a woman no longer has use for.

9. You may repel from this kind of ranker, but its the next step folks, hide and watch!



Yeah.......I remember the same confusion and hysteria when artificial insemination first started.

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. But this type of ranker, is some what below my best rants.
2. And I said this to point out which way the libs could turn.
3. It wouldn't take much for all these points to be brought to pass.
4. A little tweak here, and little word change there, then.
5. BINGO!
6. Its all good.
7. I see that the libs want to pull this Nation down into the gutter.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[sbannon]

Lily, I don't mind at all. Being from Pennsylvania, the first colony to openly welcome followers of all religions and promise freedom of religion from persecution to its residents, perhaps I do see more anti-abortion pressures than yourself.

I personally know several young women who've become pregnant and never considered abortion as an option strictly because of religious upbringings. And even though they've each turned out to be fine parents, I bet in a larger sampling than my own circle of friends you would find countless numbers of bad parents who for the same religious reasons never considered abortion as an option and it is the children who suffer for it.

We'll have to agree to disagree on whether welfare should fund abortions or not. As I see it, and especially in cases where the Mother shouldn't be a Mother, I'd rather welfare--my tax dollars--pay the lesser financial cost of an abortion than to deny the option and end up supporting the child or children for countless years as they're raised in a poor environment under the guidance of poor parents and likely to follow in the same example and continue the burden on society for multiple generations. Better to fund the abortion up front and hopefully end the cycle before it starts.

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. But lets have a pregnancy IQ test.
2. Before we allow a women to have a child.
3. Also lets test her on her ability to rear children.
4. If she can pass these tests, them allow her to mate, unlocking the virgin box, that we put on them as a teenager.
5. Which is a keyed chastity belt.
6. Then if by some chance they have a child before we can rule on her case, we part it out.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[lily]

Can you explain to me why, chesswars this test should be for women only? Aren't men responsible for the children they make?

[lily]

Well, I think that this is going to be the shortest and most civil abortion discussion ever, sbannon.

Maybe because I'm older and was around before abortion became legal, that I see it differently, or maybe I personally don't take any one religion that seriously. I just don't see the religious status attached to abortion stopping someone that really wanted the abortion not to have it. I could see it playing on the conscience though.

I also have to admit, that I have read more than one person speaking out against welfare abortions and I was dead set against them, you did make a convincing argument. It may make me reconsider my position on them, although I don't see the law changing back once it has been made. Don't know how it is in other states, but there are no "discounts" and medicaide does not pay for them here anymore.

I think the one thing we both strongly agree on, is the child that is unwanted is the one that suffers.