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Alonzo
10-08-2006, 05:31 AM
CAMP PENDLETON, California (AP) -- The Pentagon says it will investigate a Marine's sworn statement that guards at Guantanamo Bay bragged about beating detainees and described it as a common practice.

The Marine, a paralegal who was at the U.S. Navy station in Cuba last month, alleges that several guards she talked to at the base club said they routinely hit detainees.

"From the whole conversation, I understood that striking detainees was a common practice," the sergeant wrote. "Everyone in the group laughed at the others' stories of beating detainees."

The woman's name was blacked out of a copy of a two-page affidavit provided to The Associated Press by a civilian defense attorney working with Lt. Col. Colby Vokey, the Marine Corps' defense coordinator for the Western United States who is based at Camp Pendleton.

Vokey, who sent the statement Wednesday to the Inspector General at the Department of Defense, called for an investigation, saying the abuse alleged in the affidavit "is offensive and violates United States and international law."

Pentagon spokesman Lt. Cmdr. Chito Peppler said Friday that defense officials "are reviewing this affidavit and will investigate these allegations fully." A call to the inspector general's office was not immediately returned

Navy Cmdr. Robert Durand, spokesman for the Joint Task Force that oversees detention facilities at Guantanamo, said the force "will participate fully with the inspector general to learn the facts of the matter and will take action where misconduct is discovered."

"Abuse or harassment of detainees in any form is not condoned or tolerated," Durand said.

Guantanamo Bay houses about 450 suspected members of al Qaeda and the Taliban. Human rights groups have roundly criticized the Bush administration for detaining most without criminal charges, but U.S. officials have defended the detentions as necessary in the war on terrorism and say the detainees are treated humanely.

The Marine said in the sworn statement that she has been working at Marine Corps Base, Camp Pendleton in Southern California, on a Guantanamo-related case, and was in Guantanamo from September 20-27.

She said some Marines had invited her to the base club September 23. She didn't see them, but a group of at least 15 sailors invited her to join them. She said she spoke with the sailors for about an hour, during which she had one drink. The sailors did not appear drunk, she said.

A 19-year-old sailor referred to only as Bo "told the other guards and me about him beating different detainees being held in the prison," the statement said.

"One such story Bo told involved him taking a detainee by the head and hitting the detainee's head into the cell door. Bo said that his actions were known by others," the statement said. The sailor said he was never punished.

Other guards "also told their own stories of abuse towards the detainees" that included hitting them, denying them water and "removing privileges for no reason."

"About 5 others in the group admitted hitting detainees" and that included "punching in the face," the affidavit said.

Guantanamo was internationally condemned shortly after it opened more than four years ago when pictures captured prisoners kneeling, shackled and being herded into wire cages. That was followed by reports of prisoner abuse, heavy-handed interrogations, hunger strikes and suicides.

Military investigators said in July 2005 they confirmed abusive and degrading treatment of a suspected terrorist at Guantanamo Bay that included forcing him to wear a bra, dance with another man and behave like a dog.

However, the chief investigator, Air Force Lt. Gen. Randall M. Schmidt, said "no torture occurred" during the interrogation of Mohamed al-Qahtani, a Saudi who was captured in December 2001 along the Afghanistan-Pakistan border.



http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/americas/10/07/gitmo.detainees.ap/index.html

Labrocca
10-08-2006, 08:24 AM
And when detainees don't listen? What about ones that get violent? These are terrorists not sunday school children. Cops and Guards hit people all the time...I don't have any problem with this.

She was also there for only 1 week. I am so doubtful her story is 100% accurate or in context. You can't tell me that she didn't have an agenda to "find" abuse.

bah!

Alonzo
10-08-2006, 03:53 PM
And you can't tell me she wanted to find abuse either.

And when detainees don't listen? What about ones that get violent? These are terrorists not sunday school children. Cops and Guards hit people all the time...I don't have any problem with this.


Well, the report indicates that some of this occured for no reason. And not listening is no reason to start beating people.

And, besides, calling them terrorists is a stretch. Especially after the reports released by the government. One man was picked up for wearing a Casio watch that some al qaeda people had worn. And the vast majority were not picked up on the battlefield or by u.s. troops. I see no reason to assume they're all terrorists.Â*Â*

Elrathin
10-08-2006, 04:23 PM
I see no reason to assume they're all terrorists.


That's right. There have been many released from Gitmo so obviously not everyone detained there is a terrorist.

Drocket
10-08-2006, 05:39 PM
Even more shocking, there are people in Gitmo who have been proven to not be terrorists who still haven't been released: Link (http://www.abcnews.go.com/WNT/story?id=1629283).

BoogyMan
10-08-2006, 06:38 PM
Even more shocking, there are people in Gitmo who have been proven to not be terrorists who still haven't been released:Â*Â*Link (http://www.abcnews.go.com/WNT/story?id=1629283).


If they admitted to spending time in an Al Quaeda training camp, they are terrorists. Period.

Alonzo
10-08-2006, 06:52 PM
Uighurs have been persecuted by the Chinese government, and many have long fought for a separate state. That was the reason given, if I remember correctly, for attending the camp. And it was not an Al Qaeda camp, but a Taliban camp.

Here's an article about Uighur separatists: http://www.mail-archive.com/uighur-l@taklamakan.org/msg03176.html

It was originally from http://www.foreignaffairs.org/20020701facomment8515/chien-peng-chung/china-s-war-on-terror-september-11-and-uighur-separatism.html, but you need a subscription to get all of it. The mail-archive.com link is the full article.

Rider
10-08-2006, 11:23 PM
Well, imagine that! A mini Abu Graib weeks before the election.

Drocket
10-09-2006, 12:37 AM
Its a lot more relevent than Foley, though we can go back to that, if you prefer.

BoogyMan
10-09-2006, 12:49 AM
Its a lot more relevent than Foley, though we can go back to that, if you prefer.

Please do bring Foley back up Drocket, when the true nature of the man was made known he was dealt with. Any Foley thread you care to start can spur some good discussion I am sure.

Drocket
10-09-2006, 04:47 AM
[quote=BoogyManPlease do bring Foley back up Drocket, when the true nature of the man was made known he was dealt with. Any Foley thread you care to start can spur some good discussion I am sure.[/quote]

Actually, Foley wasn't dealt with - he resigned. Regardless, there's a lot more to deal with - what other Republicans knew about Foley's actions and chose to cover them up. For example, Jim Kolbe (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/08/AR2006100800855.html), a Republican from Arizona, who recieved copies of 'sexually explicit' emails between Foley and a page (different ones from a different page) all the way back in *2000*. The issue was apparently sent up the 'chain of command' among the Republican party - where it disappeared, permitting Foley to continue his actions.

The Foley scandal is about a lot more people than Foley, and we're just beginning to learn who those people are.

BoogyMan
10-09-2006, 11:43 AM
[quote=BoogyManPlease do bring Foley back up Drocket, when the true nature of the man was made known he was dealt with.Â*Â*Any Foley thread you care to start can spur some good discussion I am sure.

Actually, Foley wasn't dealt with - he resigned.Â*Â*Regardless, there's a lot more to deal with - what other Republicans knew about Foley's actions and chose to cover them up.Â*Â*For example, Jim Kolbe (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/08/AR2006100800855.html), a Republican from Arizona, who recieved copies of 'sexually explicit' emails between Foley and a page (different ones from a different page) all the way back in *2000*.Â*Â*The issue was apparently sent up the 'chain of command' among the Republican party - where it disappeared, permitting Foley to continue his actions.

The Foley scandal is about a lot more people than Foley, and we're just beginning to learn who those people are.
[/quote]

We havent learned anything yet, Drocket. But don't let that stop you from your effort to tar everyone with what your KOS buddies tell you. You know nothing about the leadership yet but we will see when this all shakes out.

Elrathin
10-09-2006, 01:49 PM
I believe we alreay have plenty of Foley threads don't we? This one is about another issue.