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preservanation

07-13-2008, 12:10 PM

Some people don't seem to believe that Americans would stoop to such an act.
I aim to enlighten them...

Vandals burned dozens of small American flags that decorated veterans’ graves for Memorial Day and replaced many of them with hand-drawn swastikas, authorities said Monday. Forty-six flag standards were found empty and another 33 flags were in charred tatters Sunday in the cemetery, authorities said. Swastikas drawn on paper appeared where 14 of the flags had been….

“This is not an act of free speech. This is a crime,” Sheriff Bill Cumming said in a statement released Monday afternoon.

Leslie

07-13-2008, 12:15 PM

Some people don't seem to believe that Americans would stoop to such an act.
I aim to enlighten them...

http://tinyurl.com/5mpx4q

I'd call those 'Americans' punks and I agree with the Sheriff.

preservanation

07-13-2008, 12:19 PM

But flags are not the only thing some on the left hate...see this video.
Yech...
http://www.victoriataft.com/2007/03/somebody-got-it-on-tape-war-protesters.html

Just Another Day With Portland's Professional Protesters *Flag Defecation; Video of Burning Soldier in Effigy

Where's Portland's Apology to the Troops? Where's Portland's Apology to the Nation? Where's Portland's Apology to Schumachers? Contact Mayor Tom Potter here.
Turns out what they were doing last weekend WAS ILLEGAL.
Portland ordinance:
20.12.030 Unlawful Urination or Defecation.

No person shall urinate or defecate in any park except in a convenience station designed for that purpose; or blow, spread, or place any nasal or other bodily discharge; or spit, urinate, or defecate on the floors, walls, partitions, furniture, fittings, or on any portion of any public convenience station or in any place in such station, excepting directly into the particular fixture provided for that purpose; or place any bottle, can, cloth, rag, or metal, wood, or stone substance in any of the plumbing fixtures in any such station.

Fun-loving little scamps.

Calling our soldiers fascists as well.
Yeah...they love their country and respect our troops alright.

preservanation

07-13-2008, 12:33 PM

Ahhh, youthful little Americans, in Portland, Oregon (that's in the US, for those who might not know)

http://michellemalkin.com/archives/images/portlandmb.jpg

http://michellemalkin.com/archives/images/portlandmb002.jpg

http://michellemalkin.com/archives/images/portlandmb003.jpg

http://michellemalkin.com/archives/images/portlandmb004.jpg http://michellemalkin.cachefly.net/michellemalkin.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/flagburn1.jpg

Leslie

07-13-2008, 12:44 PM

Yes, it appears those folks hate war too.

I'm a military veteran from a family of veterans, we raise the flag to show our support for America, rather than burn it. But I must admit given the opportunity, some of us would throw a match on an effigy of that man posing as POTUS.

preservanation

07-13-2008, 12:52 PM

http://www.unitedpatriotsofamerica.com/content/images/Flags_-_Burning_our_Flag.jpg

tecoyah

07-13-2008, 01:09 PM

This whole thing is such a Non-Issue, in a time full of actual problems I can see the outcry as nothing but a means to avoid dealing with serious problems. Yes, if someone burned the flag for any reason but it's respectful retirement I would be a little pissed. But, for some reason the stomping on the Constitution our Government is doing pisses me off quite a bit more.

Republicans regularly introduce proposals to amend the Constitution to permit government bans on flag burning or desecration. In the past, they introduced laws to ban flag burning, but the laws were always struck down as unconstitutional. These measures are intended as political footballs: almost always introduced in election years, they exist to give Republicans an easy way to attack the patriotism of Democrats who refuse to undermine freedom of speech.

Conservatives have used the flag — as both an object and symbol — in this manner for years. It probably began during the 1988 presidential campaign when Republican candidate Bush discovered that Democratic candidate Dukakis was vulnerable to charges of being anti-patriotic and anti-flag: as Massachusetts governor, Dukakis vetoed a bill requiring public school teachers to lead classes in the Pledge of Allegiance.

http://atheism.about.com/od/flagburningdesecration/a/PoliticsFlag.htm

What a waste of time....considering the Congress just might have more pressing issues to deal with!

preservanation

07-13-2008, 01:14 PM

Blueneck

07-13-2008, 01:34 PM

Maybe they are protesting free trade?

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3217/2622077067_77c3cc77d1.jpg?v=0

DamnYankee

07-13-2008, 03:23 PM

It's perfect illustration as to how low some segments of our society have degraded. Hate filled, intolerant, bitter, trolls. And they want to drag everyone down with them.

micfranklin

07-13-2008, 03:27 PM

Burning a flag doesn't = hate.

Buck Laser

07-13-2008, 03:41 PM

I disagree with a flag burning amendment.
I just want to let those who are seemingly ignorant to the fact that people do this in America know that it happens.
Just trying to educate the public.
It amazes me that some are unaware of this fact, but sometimes things just slip through the cracks.
IMO, an informed population is key to our thriving democracy.
People who haven't seen the antecedents to this should know a couple of things. Preserv posted some pictures of US flags being burned in other countries, but represented them as flag burnings in the United States. He suggested that flag burning is common in the US. I challenged him to post pictures of actual flag burnings in the US in the last 35 years, and so far, it doesn't look like he's succeeded.

I do not doubt that flags have been burned. But I think it's a rare action, one that Preserv is trying to use to stir up emotion against democrats and liberals. I submit that Preserv is using every dirty trick he can possibly think of to scare people about democrats. And he's doing this for the sole reason that he loves to stir up shit. He has no "patriotic" motive. He just wants chaos. I believe that fomenting chaos just for its own sake constitutes treason. And it's easy when, like preserv, you're unburdened with principles or ethics.

I would no more burn a flag as a form of protest than I would stand in front of a tank or a bulldozer. But I understand how a person can be so committed to a principle that he/she is willing to risk personal injury or death to make a point. Preserv seems to think that the very act of protest is silly--unless he's doing it.

DamnYankee

07-13-2008, 03:42 PM

Burning a flag doesn't = hate.

The hell it doesn't.

People must burn our flag out of love then.

Buck Laser

07-13-2008, 03:50 PM

The hell it doesn't.

People must burn our flag out of love then.
I guess I should remind you that the official way to dispose of a flag that's no longer fit for display is to burn it. But that would just piss you off.

micfranklin

07-13-2008, 04:05 PM

The hell it doesn't.

People must burn our flag out of love then.

It's views like this that keep our country from progressing.

"Oh, if you burn this you hate America. If you don't agree with this person you hate America. If you don't wear this when doing something you are not patriotic." It's always gotta be about labelling people when they do something that's not a crime but you don't agree with it. Next we're gonna be judging who is a patriot from who isn't if they don't or have never said the Pledge. So what if person X burns an American flag here, it's their right to do so without prosecution and if you don't like it, too bad suck it up and worry about something else.

Personally I don't give a shit what someone says if I decide to burn one, which I probably will in the near future. Call me what you will but I say "fuck your thoughts" because I refuse to be stuck in the mindset of "if you do X then you must hate Y" or whatever bullshit you got going on.

Milton Bradley

07-13-2008, 06:09 PM

It's perfect illustration as to how low some segments of our society have degraded. Hate filled, intolerant, bitter, trolls. And they want to drag everyone down with them.

How?

By starting a "Culture War", and questioning everybodies behavior who does not mirror thier own?

Face it, people do this stuff because of the things politicans get the military to do in our names.

And, truth be told, these damned Republicans are getting too close to the Nazis politically. I'm actually starting to see a resemblance. :ponder:

Muser

07-13-2008, 06:10 PM

And, truth be told, these damned Republicans are getting too close to the Nazis politically. I'm actually starting to see a resemblance. :ponder:

Starting?! Just *now*?!?!!? Ye ghods, I'm shocked to hear this. Seriously.

Milton Bradley

07-13-2008, 07:47 PM

Starting?! Just *now*?!?!!? Ye ghods, I'm shocked to hear this. Seriously.

Hey, I'm new to this forum, so I'm attempting to "ease in", if ya know what I'm sayin. :love:

DANG

07-13-2008, 08:38 PM

I see what your saying MB.

They are Nazi appeasers but they dont see it because the American flag is gradually morphing into a symbol for fascism.

The American Flag used to symbolize rights and freedoms. One of which is the right to speak freely. Sure, there are limitations to that freedom. You cant yell "FIRE" in a movie theater... unless there is one. There is also a law against libel and words that provoke violence.
Now ONE party wants to claim it as their own... to represent a movement for world domination.

In this case I agree with the sheriff... this is a crime. But only in as far as it was not the vandals OWN property to burn.

The Flag symbolizes something greater than the Chinese labor and cloth that made it.
It symbolizes something that cant be destroyed by fire. The meaning of the flag will endure the flames that convert a single flag or millions of flags ....into ash.

Free speech can only be torched by an over-reaching fascist executive in power.

Not by we the people.

ptif219

07-13-2008, 08:41 PM

I guess I should remind you that the official way to dispose of a flag that's no longer fit for display is to burn it. But that would just piss you off.

Thats why anti-war protesters do it to dispose of an old flag :madlaugh:

preservanation

07-13-2008, 09:35 PM

Flag Burning made Simple
Flag burning just got easier. Rather than spend good money and buy a cloth flag to burn, just click on the image at the top of this page which links you to a larger version. Then save the file and print it out (landscape mode) to your color printer. Then all you have to do is burn the paper.

If you are going to a political protest, you can print out 20, 50, or 100 copies. Pass them around. Whenever to see someone from the press with a camera, put on a show. Pull one out, light it up, and make a statement. Then you have plenty more to burn for the next person with a camera.

Here's a modified Pledge of Allegiance you can say while burning the flag:

I pledge allegiance to the flag
of the REAL United States of America
and to the Republic -
elected by the People - not by the Court
for which it stands,
one nation - indivisible
with Liberty and Justice for everyone
not just rich white Republicans http://www.flagburning.org/

I challenged him to post pictures of actual flag burnings in the US in the last 35 years, and so far, it doesn't look like he's succeeded.

http://www.theodora.com/flags/new8/burn_brooklyn_000316_reuters.jpg
New York, NY, USA, 2000.

http://www.theodora.com/flags/new9/burn_chicago_082799_ap.jpg
Chicago, Ill, USA 1996

http://www.theodora.com/flags/new10/burn_losangeles_000816_reuters.jpg
Los Ageles, CA, USA, 2000

http://www.theodora.com/flags/burning/detroit_010421_ap.jpg
Detroit Mich, USA, 2001

Oh and there are so many more, Buck.
Stay tuned to this channel.

I hope your crow is as well cooked as these flags...I would hate for you to get worms.
Yummmmmm

http://www.theodora.com/flags/new10/burn_philadelphia_000730_reuters.jpg
Philadelphia, USA, 2000

http://www.theodora.com/flags/burning/flag_burning_43.html

4Reaganomics

07-13-2008, 09:39 PM

preserva accepts challenge and succeeds despite the denial from the left

way to educate Bucko and the rest of the radicals preserva, keep up the good work

apdst

07-13-2008, 10:02 PM

Burning a flag doesn't = hate.

That's like saying that burning a black man in effigy isn't racism.

apdst

07-13-2008, 10:05 PM

This photo is off topic, but it's definitely my favorite flag burning shot.

http://www.iflipflop.com/uploaded_images/fire_flag_2-799785.jpg

micfranklin

07-13-2008, 10:11 PM

That's like saying that burning a black man in effigy isn't racism.

That kinda doesn't relate to what I was saying but w/e.

preservanation

07-13-2008, 10:20 PM

http://centricle.com/photos/media/20050121y.jpg

Jan 21, 2005

apdst

07-13-2008, 10:20 PM

That kinda doesn't relate to what I was saying but w/e.

Of course you would say that.

micfranklin

07-13-2008, 10:24 PM

Refer to post #15 then if you would.

DANG

07-13-2008, 10:40 PM

apdst

07-13-2008, 10:54 PM

How come you pseudo-patriots are in favor of burning the Constitution, but against burning the flag?

Whose in favor of burning the Constitution? Abolition of the 2nd Amendment and the Fairness Doctrine are ideas that come from the Leftists.

ptif219

07-13-2008, 10:54 PM

How come you pseudo-patriots are in favor of burning the Constitution, but against burning the flag?

"Stop throwing the Constitution in my face! It's just a goddamned piece of paper!"
~ bush the lesser

Really show separation of church and state the liberals and the ACLU always says exist.

Invayne

07-13-2008, 10:58 PM

Maybe they are protesting free trade?

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3217/2622077067_77c3cc77d1.jpg?v=0

HAHAHA!!! I just bought a flag yesterday at Walmart. With everything there made in China, the flag was the ONLY thing made in the USA. The pole it's on is made in China.

Invayne

07-13-2008, 11:03 PM

People who haven't seen the antecedents to this should know a couple of things. Preserv posted some pictures of US flags being burned in other countries, but represented them as flag burnings in the United States. He suggested that flag burning is common in the US. I challenged him to post pictures of actual flag burnings in the US in the last 35 years, and so far, it doesn't look like he's succeeded.

I do not doubt that flags have been burned. But I think it's a rare action, one that Preserv is trying to use to stir up emotion against democrats and liberals. I submit that Preserv is using every dirty trick he can possibly think of to scare people about democrats. And he's doing this for the sole reason that he loves to stir up shit. He has no "patriotic" motive. He just wants chaos. I believe that fomenting chaos just for its own sake constitutes treason. And it's easy when, like preserv, you're unburdened with principles or ethics.

I would no more burn a flag as a form of protest than I would stand in front of a tank or a bulldozer. But I understand how a person can be so committed to a principle that he/she is willing to risk personal injury or death to make a point. Preserv seems to think that the very act of protest is silly--unless he's doing it.

Jeez, Buck. Attacking the poster instead of talking about the issue....me thinks you'd do better staying over at PH where they do nothing BUT attack each other!:love:

Invayne

07-13-2008, 11:08 PM

That's like saying that burning a black man in effigy isn't racism.

~gasp~ Now ya gone and done it...how dare you make sense?:shock:

Buck Laser

07-13-2008, 11:10 PM

Really show separation of church and state the liberals and the ACLU always says exist.

Boy, now there's a meaningful statement!

preservanation

07-13-2008, 11:36 PM

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/17/21771035_81769430b2.jpg?v=0
June 6, 2005

DANG

07-13-2008, 11:48 PM

Whose in favor of burning the Constitution? Abolition of the 2nd Amendment and the Fairness Doctrine are ideas that come from the Leftists.Actually it has been the current admin that has revoked the constitution; thus,
Military Commission Act allows torture.

bush ordered gun grabbing after Katrina.

Patriot Act mortally wounded the Constitution.

bush spied on Americans denying the right to security in our persons, papers and our homes.

The Constitution states ALL treaties are the supreme law of the land, International Human Rights have been abused by denying Habeas Corpus (let alone extraordinary rendidtion and torture.)

Posse Comitatus says the US Military should never level guns on Americans. This was breached after Katrina.

I could go on and on... but I am sure it would be a waste of time. You pseudo patriots are brainwashed.

preservanation

07-14-2008, 12:02 AM

ANNUAL OLD TIME AMERICAN FLAG BURN
Santa Cruz, CA, USA.

http://www.indybay.org/uploads/2005/07/01/scflag4.jpg
Friday Jul 1st, 2005 9:33 PM

http://www.indybay.org/uploads/2006/07/04/flags_7-3-06.jpg
Tuesday Jul 4th, 2006 2:36 PM

http://www.indybay.org/uploads/admin_uploads/2008/07/09/flg4-sm.jpg
Monday jul 7th, 2007

apdst

07-14-2008, 12:04 AM

bush ordered gun grabbing after Katrina.

Bush didn't order that. NOPD Police Supperintendent Eddie Compass passed that order.

It's amazing the lies that Libbos don't mind telling.

Posse Comitatus says the US Military should never level guns on Americans. This was breached after Katrina.

You should actually READ what that law says.

preservanation

07-14-2008, 12:15 AM

http://wwwimage.cbsnews.com/images/2003/02/17/image540803x.jpg
Scenes from Sunday's anti-war rally in San Francisco: protesting atop a cable car (left), and burning the American flag (right). (AP)
SAN FRANCISCO, USA, Feb. 17, 2003

apdst

07-14-2008, 12:17 AM

Good job, Preserv.

ptif219

07-14-2008, 12:22 AM

DANG

07-14-2008, 12:35 AM

Your grammer was deplorable. I tried to figure out what you meant... no luck

micfranklin

07-14-2008, 12:36 AM

The more I read this thread the more I fail to see the problem with flag burning.

apdst

07-14-2008, 12:39 AM

The more I read this thread the more I fail to see the problem with flag burning.

So, you would be equally bothered by burning an Aunt Jamima in effigy? It's all free speech, eh?

micfranklin

07-14-2008, 12:41 AM

So, you would be equally bothered by burning an Aunt Jamima in effigy? It's all free speech, eh?

Just like with the flag, I can do whatever I want with it if it's mine. Don't like it, too bad.

lily

07-14-2008, 12:50 AM

Jeez, Buck. Attacking the poster instead of talking about the issue....me thinks you'd do better staying over at PH where they do nothing BUT attack each other!:love:

Actually this whole thread was made to attack a poster, Invayne.......that was the point of Buck's post.

Sadly this could have turned out to be an interesting discussion about flag burning, we haven't had one in a long time......but it's just turned into a pissing contest.

Carry on..........me.........I'm rather embarrassed, so I'll bow out.

ptif219

07-14-2008, 12:58 AM

Your grammer was deplorable. I tried to figure out what you meant... no luck

Show me separation of church and state in the constitution.Since the left and the ACLU like to spew that so often.

Alonzo

07-14-2008, 01:01 AM

This thread makes me want to burn a flag.

Seriously guys, no one is going to want to burn a flag if no one cares. The more outrageous you make it sound the more likely people are to do it.

Elrathin

07-14-2008, 01:19 AM

So, you would be equally bothered by burning an Aunt Jamima in effigy? It's all free speech, eh?

Racism is the same as demonstration against the U.S.? Wow, it truly takes a conservative to think that nonsense up.

Alonzo

07-14-2008, 01:21 AM

Racism is the same as demonstration against the U.S.? Wow, it truly takes a conservative to think that nonsense up.

Considering Aunt Jamima is based on the racist mammy stereotype, maybe burning her is the anti-racist thing to do?

preservanation

07-14-2008, 01:21 AM

ptif219

07-14-2008, 02:11 AM

This thread makes me want to burn a flag.

Seriously guys, no one is going to want to burn a flag if no one cares. The more outrageous you make it sound the more likely people are to do it.

Not any conservatives I know.

preservanation

07-14-2008, 02:21 AM

Vandals burned dozens of small American flags that decorated veterans' graves for Memorial Day and replaced many of them with hand-drawn swastikas in Orcas Island, Wash., authorities said
http://www.foxnews.com/images/286801/3_61_052807_flags_burned.jpg
Woodlawn Cemetery in Orcas Island, Wash. USA, 2007.

lily

07-14-2008, 02:39 AM

http://www.foxnews.com/images/286801/3_61_052807_flags_burned.jpg
Woodlawn Cemetery in Orcas Island, Wash. USA, 2007.

Come on pres......are you really trying to convince people here that skinheads are liberals?:unreal:

preservanation

07-14-2008, 02:55 AM

Lily...
I am providing a requested service.I challenged him to post pictures of actual flag burnings, in the US in the last 35 years, and so far, it doesn't look like he's succeeded....

As soon as I've succeeded...I'm sure the meaculpa shall follow, and I will feel that my job is done here and move on to spread joy and edification elsewhere.

apdst

07-14-2008, 03:16 AM

Considering Aunt Jamima is based on the racist mammy stereotype, maybe burning her is the anti-racist thing to do?

Actually Aunt Jamima is the lady whose picture is on the corn bread mix, but anyway.

Racism is the same as demonstration against the U.S.? Wow, it truly takes a conservative to think that nonsense up.

Hate is hate. Yes?

Alonzo

07-14-2008, 03:37 AM

Actually Aunt Jamima is the lady whose picture is on the corn bread mix, but anyway.

And being on a cardboard box means it's not based on the mammy stereotype?

Buck Laser

07-14-2008, 03:39 AM

Lily...
I am providing a requested service.

As soon as I've succeeded...I'm sure the meaculpa shall follow, and I will feel that my job is done here and move on to spread joy and edification elsewhere.
Yep, but you haven't succeeded yet, boyo. You've posted a lot of pictures of flags burning elsewhere in the world, and you've said you've posted pix from the US, but all I see is what YOU say about the location. The link you posted has lots of nice pictures of flags burning in the Philippines. The little plastic flags burned at a cemetery are hardly the work of leftists. Here's the link you posted to flag burning. http://www.theodora.com/flags/burning/flag_burning_43.html
So I'm left with the conclusion that you can't find one, and you're asking OTHERS to do your work for you. That's pretty much the kind of weak-assed shit I've come to expect from you, and I'm glad others are getting a chance to see it as well.

If and when you actually manage to post a verifiable picture, I'll sure as hell acknowledge it. I can wait.

Now, just for the record: I think flag-burning is a stupid way to protest in that it creates more anger than allegiance. But making it illegal is unutterably stupid, and would be a major infringement on our right to speak freely. Even preserv has enough wit left to realize that a flag burning amendment wouldn't do any good.

What I want preserv and the rest of the wingers here to realize is that people on the left don't burn flags, step on baby chickens, push old ladies down, or piss in your beer (though if preserv left his standing around I might be tempted. :evil:)

Invayne

07-14-2008, 07:08 AM

Actually it has been the current admin that has revoked the constitution; thus,
Military Commission Act allows torture.

bush ordered gun grabbing after Katrina.

Patriot Act mortally wounded the Constitution.

bush spied on Americans denying the right to security in our persons, papers and our homes.

The Constitution states ALL treaties are the supreme law of the land, International Human Rights have been abused by denying Habeas Corpus (let alone extraordinary rendidtion and torture.)

Posse Comitatus says the US Military should never level guns on Americans. This was breached after Katrina.

I could go on and on... but I am sure it would be a waste of time. You pseudo patriots are brainwashed.

Torture...as in making prisoners put panties on their heads? As in making them strip so women can laugh at their peepee tails? As in making dogs bark at them? Please....they would be an embarrassment to people who have REALLY known torture. You know, like having your head sawed off, or having your fingernails ripped out, or stepping into a shower of Zyclon B.

Also, it wasn't Bush that ordered the gun grabbing after Katrina. It was the wonderful Mayor "Chocolate City" Nagin and the police chief that did that.

New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin, Police Superintendent P. Eddie Compass unleashed a wave of confiscations with these chilling words:
"No one will be able to be armed. We will take all weapons. Only law enforcement will be allowed to have guns."

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=380_1174889100

As for the Patriot Act, if you aren't socializing with terrorists, then you shouldn't worry about it. BUT....and this is a biggie...I can see where this will be abused in the future. They're making plans for it right now to use this against EVERY American citizen. They're calling it "homegrown terrorism". If you dare to speak against the government, if you protest their actions, laws, taxes. etc., you will be branded as a homegrown terrorist. I can show you this if someone can tell me how to post it...I kept the PDF file in my Ebooks folder, but I don't know how to post it here!

apdst

07-14-2008, 07:13 AM

And being on a cardboard box means it's not based on the mammy stereotype?

You live in one of the whitest parts of the western hemisphere, so there's no way you'll ever git it.

preservanation

07-14-2008, 01:02 PM

Yep, but you haven't succeeded yet, boyo. You've posted a lot of pictures of flags burning elsewhere in the world, and you've said you've posted pix from the US, but all I see is what YOU say about the location. The link you posted has lots of nice pictures of flags burning in the Philippines. The little plastic flags burned at a cemetery are hardly the work of leftists. Here's the link you posted to flag burning. http://www.theodora.com/flags/burning/flag_burning_43.html
So I'm left with the conclusion that you can't find one, and you're asking OTHERS to do your work for you. That's pretty much the kind of weak-assed shit I've come to expect from you, and I'm glad others are getting a chance to see it as well.

If and when you actually manage to post a verifiable picture, I'll sure as hell acknowledge it. I can wait.

Now, just for the record: I think flag-burning is a stupid way to protest in that it creates more anger than allegiance. But making it illegal is unutterably stupid, and would be a major infringement on our right to speak freely. Even preserv has enough wit left to realize that a flag burning amendment wouldn't do any good.

What I want preserv and the rest of the wingers here to realize is that people on the left don't burn flags, step on baby chickens, push old ladies down, or piss in your beer (though if preserv left his standing around I might be tempted. :evil:)http://farm1.static.flickr.com/183/426033918_e932d7f269.jpg?v=0

Way more here Buck.
The photos are by Beth Nakamura and others, published in the Oregonian news paper. (Oregon is in the US of A, BTW).
http://www.flickr.com/photos/theoregonian/426033918/

If these don't meet your criteria...I will continue, but with every passing photo, the ice-sheet on which you are standing is getting thinner and thinner and just might give way.
The same with your silly argument.

BTW, all photos are from Portland, Oregon, USA 3/18/07

Blueneck

07-14-2008, 01:55 PM

http://centricle.com/photos/media/20050121y.jpg

Jan 21, 2005Wow! He looks just like that "Scream" dude.

http://www.badsimz.com/Scream%20Mask.JPG

preservanation

07-14-2008, 02:20 PM

Wow! He looks just like that "Scream" dude.

http://www.badsimz.com/Scream%20Mask.JPGBy Ed Munch?
Yeah, kinda.
If he had his hands on his cheeks, he'd look like Mcally Culkin in Home Alone, as well..

DamnYankee

07-14-2008, 02:57 PM

I guess I should remind you that the official way to dispose of a flag that's no longer fit for display is to burn it. But that would just piss you off.

I wasn't referring to the official way. I was referring to the hateful despicable way.

DamnYankee

07-14-2008, 03:04 PM

It's views like this that keep our country from progressing.

Strange that burning the flag is now "progression." Hateful people burn the flag out of anger. And like you said, those that burn the flag don't give a "f***" about what other people think. It's called intolerance and selfishness.

preservanation

07-14-2008, 03:24 PM

Changing the definition of "patriotism", one flag at a time...
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/180/426033871_183dd27c3c.jpg?v=0
Portland Oregon, USA, 2007

Mr. Orr

07-14-2008, 03:26 PM

Strange that burning the flag is now "progression." Hateful people burn the flag out of anger. And like you said, those that burn the flag don't give a "f***" about what other people think. It's called intolerance and selfishness.

How can it be selfish to burn your own flag? If I burn your flag to make my political statement then I could see you getting upset about it.

micfranklin

07-14-2008, 03:32 PM

Strange that burning the flag is now "progression." Hateful people burn the flag out of anger. And like you said, those that burn the flag don't give a "f***" about what other people think. It's called intolerance and selfishness.

Because you don't agree with it it's intolerance and selfishness?

Buck Laser

07-14-2008, 03:44 PM

Way more here Buck.
The photos are by Beth Nakamura and others, published in the Oregonian news paper. (Oregon is in the US of A, BTW).
http://www.flickr.com/photos/theoregonian/426033918/

If these don't meet your criteria...I will continue, but with every passing photo, the ice-sheet on which you are standing is getting thinner and thinner and just might give way.
The same with your silly argument.

BTW, all photos are from Portland, Oregon, USA 3/18/07
Good. You finally found a verifiable one. I'm not really surprised that it took you so long, though. But thank you for finding it and posting it with a link. Now--what have you accomplished? You started out by blustering that "everybody" knew this and there were pictures "everywhere"--but then you couldn't find them, and you had to call on your friends to help you out.

Maybe next time you make some dumbassed claims you'll have the evidence in hand. Not many people are willing to believe it just because you claim it.

But anyway, here's your apology: sorry.

DamnYankee

07-14-2008, 03:45 PM

Because you don't agree with it it's intolerance and selfishness?

Not giving a "f***" about what other people think is intolerant. Which is a very selfish way at looking at things. As if your opinion is the only one that counts.

Clear?

micfranklin

07-14-2008, 03:50 PM

Not giving a "f***" about what other people think is intolerant. Which is a very selfish way at looking at things. As if your opinion is the only one that counts.

Clear?

If I'm the one burning my flag on my property my opinion is the only one that counts. And people don't care about how other people think on every other issue, why is this one any different?

preservanation

07-14-2008, 03:51 PM

Good. You finally found a verifiable one. I'm not really surprised that it took you so long, though. But thank you for finding it and posting it with a link. Now--what have you accomplished? You started out by blustering that "everybody" knew this and there were pictures "everywhere"--but then you couldn't find them, and you had to call on your friends to help you out.

Maybe next time you make some dumbassed claims you'll have the evidence in hand. Not many people are willing to believe it just because you claim it.

But anyway, here's your apology: sorry.
Thank you, Buck.
I guess we can talk about the Flag amendment or expression of free speech now.
A subject worth discussing.

However, one last thing...
Heee, hee, Buck.

I was holding out to see how long you would stand on your melting ice-bridge.
Quite a while, I see.
I am thankful that you were wearing your thermal wet-suit...and that you didn't post that photo.

Funny, you usually smell the primrose on the path long before this.
Maybe you should get your sniffer looked at.

Okay...carry on
:)

DamnYankee

07-14-2008, 03:59 PM

If I'm the one burning my flag on my property my opinion is the only one that counts.

Exactly. Selfishness.

And people don't care about how other people think on every other issue, why is this one any different?

Because it is a symbol of our country and ought to be respected. Not burned out of hate and anger.

micfranklin

07-14-2008, 04:02 PM

Exactly. Selfishness.

Would my opinion count if you were to engage in the same activity?

Because it is a symbol of our country and ought to be respected. Not burned out of hate and anger.

Who says people always do it out of hate or anger?

apdst

07-14-2008, 04:14 PM

Who says people always do it out of hate or anger?

The same question could be asked about a hangman's noose. I know it won't, but it could.

micfranklin

07-14-2008, 04:18 PM

The same question could be asked about a hangman's noose. I know it won't, but it could.

Does grasping at straws make your day?

A hangman's noose perceives a threat to someone. A burning flag doesn't.

apdst

07-14-2008, 04:20 PM

A hangman's noose perceives a threat to someone. A burning flag doesn't.

That's YOUR interpretation. Are we to believe that only one group can interpret what's offensive, or threatening and what isn't? Please, tell me that that isn't so.

DamnYankee

07-14-2008, 04:24 PM

Would my opinion count if you were to engage in the same activity?

I have never burned the flag. And don't plan on it.

Who says people always do it out of hate or anger?

Other than burning an old flag for disposal (36 U.S.C. Sec. 176(k)), why else would someone want to burn one? Because they are angry over something?

preservanation

07-14-2008, 04:32 PM

A hangman's noose perceives a threat to someone. A burning flag doesn't.
I disagree.
Even though it's done by my fellow Americans, I feel that it's done in a threatening environment.
I don't think I would be well treated by these protesters if I practiced my right to freedom of speech and disagree with them.
Their behavior goes beyond sticking a daisy in the muzzle of a rifle.

I find it very threatening when I see it around the world too...especially when done in anger toward me and my country.
If you were in the center of some of those flag burning fests in the Middle East I bet you'd feel threatened as well.

micfranklin

07-14-2008, 04:42 PM

That's YOUR interpretation. Are we to believe that only one group can interpret what's offensive, or threatening and what isn't? Please, tell me that that isn't so.

Not true but that apparently seems to be some of the points made by fellow conservatives in this thread.

I have never burned the flag. And don't plan on it.

Note the "if" in my statement. Hypothetical possibly?

Other than burning an old flag for disposal (36 U.S.C. Sec. 176(k)), why else would someone want to burn one? Because they are angry over something?

It's also done as a distress signal, you know like, a danger to people or freedoms or whatever.

If you were in the center of some of those flag burning fests in the Middle East I bet you'd feel threatened as well.

I could care less about the flag burning fests when there's al-Qaeda blowing shit up around me.

DamnYankee

07-14-2008, 04:57 PM

It's also done as a distress signal, you know like, a danger to people or freedoms or whatever.

Yeah, I hear the flag can be quite dangerous at times. So much for showing respect for your country.

Burning the flag is like the leftists spitting in the faces of all those Vietnam vets when they came home. Much blood has been shed over the flag by vets one would think these maggots would have just an ounce of respect. But no. The only thing that counts is what these selfish trolls think.

micfranklin

07-14-2008, 05:03 PM

Yeah, I hear the flag can be quite dangerous at times. So much for showing respect for your country.

Burning the flag is like the leftists spitting in the faces of all those Vietnam vets when they came home. Much blood has been shed over the flag by vets one would think these maggots would have just an ounce of respect. But no. The only thing that counts is what these selfish trolls think.

Let's not compare this to Vietnam vets. Like I said flag burning isn't just based on hate, it's a distress signal when people take issue over politics, society and the like. Hell if this were made illegal a good way to show respect for your country would be by burning the flag.