Kucinich to call for impeachment AGAIN!!!

[ptif219]

Here we go again.Does this guy ever give up?


http://kucinich.house.gov/News/DocumentSingle.aspx?DocumentID=96858



Washington, Jul 10 - Congressman Dennis Kucinich (D-OH) will release the text of a single article of Impeachment of the President today at 2:00 pm in a news conference on the Cannon Terrace.

The Article of Impeachment is entitled: “Deceiving Congress with Fabricated Threats of Iraq WMDs to Fraudulently Obtain Support for an Authorization of the Use of Military Force Against Iraq.”

[IndieVisible]

No, because he is a lunatic! Even his closest Dem friends don't want to be in the same room with him for very long!

I would love to stick it to Bush! Honest! I just wish it wasn't a lunitic calling for it!

[NIOSA]

Why is it that congress won't bring impeachment against Bush for his REAL crime/dereliction of duty, not protecting our borders?

[ECW]

Outside of a couple of members, there isn't a testicle to speak of in the lot. Impeach the bastard for the Iraq War first. The border issue will solve itself after that article.

[ptif219]

It will never fly.Dennis is a screwball

[IndieVisible]

It will never fly.Dennis is a screwball

Dennis is like that person every one tries to avoid at all costs at work. We all have a Dennis where we work don't we? :lmao:

[Osborn F. Enready]

PTIF and INDIE seem content to simply slander Kucinich, while avoiding the actual TOPIC ISSUE all together.

Regardless of who brings impeachment, it should be voted for and "these bums" thrown from office..... but expecting such things from an equally corrupt, criminal democrat party is like hoping to win the lotto......

Both parties walk the road of corruption hand in hand, so don't hold your breath.

[IndieVisible]

... but expecting such things from an equally corrupt, criminal democrat party is like hoping to win the lotto......

Well if you know this why you still whinning about it? Give it up.

[Osborn F. Enready]

Since criminals in office don't want to bring about justice, people should give up the fight for justice?!?

Sad....

[IndieVisible]

Since criminals in office don't want to bring about justice, people should give up the fight for justice?!?

Sad....

You said it's like winning the lottery waiting for the dems, you play the lottery?

I have another name for the lottery, a TAX for the really dumb at math.

Be about the same chances for Barr or Nader winning too:madlaugh:

[Osborn F. Enready]

Indie said:
You said it's like winning the lottery waiting for the dems, you play the lottery?

No, just trying to kick both parties out of office by any means available....

...and yes, I do play the Lottery.

Indie said:
I have another name for the lottery, a TAX for the really dumb at math.

Thats not what the last few winners had to say..... ;)

They said their math worked out just fine.

Someone usually wins the lottery....
Nobody wins in political lottery when both parties are corrupt to the core.

[Wndrtch]

Here we go again.Does this guy ever give up?


http://kucinich.house.gov/News/DocumentSingle.aspx?DocumentID=96858



Washington, Jul 10 - Congressman Dennis Kucinich (D-OH) will release the text of a single article of Impeachment of the President today at 2:00 pm in a news conference on the Cannon Terrace.

The Article of Impeachment is entitled: “Deceiving Congress with Fabricated Threats of Iraq WMDs to Fraudulently Obtain Support for an Authorization of the Use of Military Force Against Iraq.”

If at first you don't succeed, try, try again, and again, and agian, and agian, and again, and agian, and again, and agian, and again, and agian, and again, and agian, and again, and agian, and again, and agian,....

Maybe the Legislation should worry about legislating, and maybe their approval numbers wouldn't be in the hopper.

Heh, heh, heh, I wonder what it's like, to look upand see G.W.'s ass above your head!

[ptif219]

Now he is saying Bush lied.So did Bill Clinton and all the dems in congress and most of the world's intelligence agencies.That is what everyone believed.

It was believed Saddam had WMD'S.Saddam did not help to show otherwise.

[Osborn F. Enready]

How great a coutry are we when all of our political memory is filled with liars, thieves, cheaters, corrupted officials and unconstitutional scumbags.....

Boy, we should vote more of those same parties in again...... (sarcasm)

[NortheastCynic]

A little late ladies and gents...A little late.

-NC

[DANG]

Does this guy ever give up?

Give up on his oath to defend the Constitution?
I sure hope not. We need a lot more like him

http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/19/impeachmentchancelj9.gif

[NIOSA]

Outside of a couple of members, there isn't a testicle to speak of in the lot. Impeach the bastard for the Iraq War first. The border issue will solve itself after that article.

The Iraq War is not an impeachable offense, he was given permission to use military force by congress. Agree with the war or not, it is not illegal.
How do you think impeaching for the war him would solve the border problem? Cheney, McCain, & Obama are all for open borders & amnesty.

[NIOSA]

Dennis is like that person every one tries to avoid at all costs at work. We all have a Dennis where we work don't we? :lmao:

That's true. :lmao:

[NIOSA]

Now he is saying Bush lied.So did Bill Clinton and all the dems in congress and most of the world's intelligence agencies.That is what everyone believed.

It was believed Saddam had WMD'S.Saddam did not help to show otherwise.

I always ask that same question, but always get, "Bush lied".

[NoMoreDems-Reps]

It will never fly.Dennis is a screwball

Whether you like Kucinich or not is irrelevent! Are his articals for impeachment valid or not
should be the only question you have! If Bush is guilty we as Americans should push for
Impeachment !!!

If we don't keep them honest no one will !!!

[DANG]

The Iraq War is not an impeachable offense, he was given permission to use military force by congress. Yeah, permission BASED on falsified information.
As we discovered in the Downing Street Memos, the intelligence was fabricated around the war policy. And then your presiturd had the nerve to joke about finding wMDs in his office. (Real funny sack of shit, that guy)

Agree with the war or not, it is not illegal.Sure it is. Especially on the conditions set by the WH, that they would go to the UN for authorization first. He never did that. It doesnt matter whether you think we should honor treaties with the UN or not.... THATS what he said he would do. But bush went into Iraq unilaterally, regardless of the guidelines agreed to by Congress.

THAT made it illegal.

[NoMoreDems-Reps]

It will never fly.Dennis is a screwball

You and IndieVisible need to read this before you continue posting.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

[NIOSA]

Yeah, permission BASED on falsified information.
As we discovered in the Downing Street Memos, the intelligence was fabricated around the war policy. And then your presiturd had the nerve to joke about finding wMDs in his office. (Real funny sack of shit, that guy)

Sure it is. Especially on the conditions set by the WH, that they would go to the UN for authorization first. He never did that. It doesnt matter whether you think we should honor treaties with the UN or not.... THATS what he said he would do. But bush went into Iraq unilaterally, regardless of the guidelines agreed to by Congress.

THAT made it illegal.

Let me ask you a couple of simple questions, & please, if you could try to keep the histronics at bay....If as you say, the war is illegal, do you not think that as soon as the Dems took congress back that they would have brought articles of impeachment? Please, be honest in your answer.
If your answer is no, then do you not believe that the dem led congress, the ones in charge of "the peoples business" should not be brought up on charges as well? If the war is illegal, then the Dem led congress are as guilty as Bush is because they have kept funding the war.

[DANG]

Let me ask you a couple of simple questions, & please, if you could try to keep the histronics at bay....If as you say, the war is illegal, do you not think that as soon as the Dems took congress back that they would have brought articles of impeachment? Please, be honest in your answer.Not with Pelosi at the helm. Primarily because the Dems barely had the majority. If they had a strong majority like the Reps had previously, then yes. Sure. That didnt stop articles from being introduced. They just werent entertained.

If your answer is no, then do you not believe that the dem led congress, the ones in charge of "the peoples business" should not be brought up on charges as well?I'll buy that!

If the war is illegal, then the Dem led congress are as guilty as Bush is because they have kept funding the war. Not "as guilty as Bush",
because bush/cheney are the murderers. The dems are accessories at best.
But, yes they are complicit.

[NIOSA]

Not with Pelosi at the helm. Primarily because the Dems barely had the majority. If they had a strong majority like the Reps had previously, then yes. Sure. That didnt stop articles from being introduced. They just werent entertained.

I'll buy that!

Not "as guilty as Bush",
because bush/cheney are the murderers. The dems are accessories at best.
But, yes they are complicit.

It only takes a simple majority to bring articles of impeachment. Pelosi has said that she might allow this one to go to the judiciary, we'll see.
I don't go along with charges of murder because this war, right or wrong, is not illegal. Kucinich will never succeed on those charges of lying to congress about the WMDs.

[DANG]

We have an enemy of the state, Nancy Pelosi who is aiding and abetting a criminal regime by taking impeachment "off the table".
When she said that she single handedly usurped the US Constitution.
Impeachment is a valid check on the Executive. There is nothing to keep him from committing war crimes or acting as a monarch. Pelosi should go down with the cheneybush regime.

[DANG]

It only takes a simple majority to bring articles of impeachment. Pelosi has said that she might allow this one to go to the judiciary, we'll see.She let the last one go there too. Conyers huffed and puffed and took a nap.

I don't go along with charges of murder because this war, right or wrong, is not illegal. Kucinich will never succeed on those charges of lying to congress about the WMDs. Its already been proven. They just wont bring it to daylight.

Its mass murder.
With malice aforethought.

[NIOSA]

We have an enemy of the state, Nancy Pelosi who is aiding and abetting a criminal regime by taking impeachment "off the table".
When she said that she single handedly usurped the US Constitution.
Impeachment is a valid check on the Executive. There is nothing to keep him from committing war crimes or acting as a monarch. Pelosi should go down with the cheneybush regime.

If there's an illegal act that effects this whole country it's the dereliction of protecting our borders Dang, & not more than a handfull in congress even discusses it. It is blatant dereliction, illegal, anti-constitution, anti-American debauchery. Any impeachment proceedings on the war will not go anyplace, they all have wiggle room.
There is no wiggle room on the border issue. So, if impeachment is what is wanted, then go after Bush on a bonified illegal act.

[NIOSA]

She let the last one go there too. Conyers huffed and puffed and took a nap.

Its already been proven. They just wont bring it to daylight.

Its mass murder.
With malice aforethought.

What proof? Legal, bonified proof?

[DANG]

What proof? Legal, bonified proof?
1) He lied to Congress and the American people about Iraqs involvement with al Qaida and that Iraq was involved in 911.


2) He lied about Saddam Hussein seeking yellow Cake from Niger. The CIA had told him that was false intel and NOT to include those 16 words in his SotU Address.

....for starters.

[DANG]

So, if impeachment is what is wanted, then go after Bush on a bonified illegal act.The immigration "problem" (the reps like cheap/slave labor that doesnt complain about conditions or unionize) can be reversed over night if they wanted to. Just penalize those white collars who are HIRING illegals. We have an illegal hiring problem. Before bush there were several hundred convictions and/or fines every year. Now its like 32 per year or so.

Those laws are on the books. They just arent enforced. Blame the corporations who own bush and put him office.

I would rather he be punished/executed for murder than for allowing mexicans to try and "put food on their families".

[Osborn F. Enready]

NIOSA said:
The Iraq War is not an impeachable offense, he was given permission to use military force by congress. Agree with the war or not, it is not illegal.

How about the number and consistency of Presidents, including this one, to reinstate Emergency War Powers (removing large portions of Congress' responsibility, assuming you view War Powers as a valid method and means of usurping Constitutional provision) when there was no War, or emergency that would warrant it?

-The war was built on lies(exaggeration) and many insiders alledge "known" bad information....
-The war was built on scare tactics and "just happened" to be part of the PNAC before Bush even got in office.....
-EVEN at the time of initiating the war with Iraq, administration insiders didn't think there was enough evidence to base a "pre-emptive" war....as if such a thing is recognized....without clear tangible evidence of imminent threat.....

I have not seen since day one of the start of this war, reasonable evidence to sustain the charges made by the adminstration, the evidence presented in leading up to the war, or any other good aspect to come from it other than the removal of some dictators, some extremists, with a HUGE cost in civillian and American, British, and other allies lives.

AS NoMoreDems-Reps said, there are several articles of impeachment presented, and I have only seen one issue half-heartedly addressed issue of contention.

Bush has many mistakes, bad decisions, precedent setting errors among his list of accomplishments, and in my opinion is one of the worst presidents ever to set foot in office. (Clinton makes that list too....)

Dang said:
The immigration "problem" (the reps like cheap/slave labor that doesnt complain about conditions or unionize) can be reversed over night if they wanted to. Just penalize those white collars who are HIRING illegals. We have an illegal hiring problem. Before bush there were several hundred convictions and/or fines every year. Now its like 32 per year or so.

I would rather he be punished/executed for murder than for allowing mexicans to try and "put food on their families".

Bush, Clinton and many of their predecessors are to blame for the border problem and its a shame apathetic American citizens refuse to hold them accountable, resolve the problem and demand justice.

Instead most of the sheeple are campaigning for another version of the same corruption by helping members of the bi-partisan corruption to get re-elected.

Its like shooting yourself in the foot accidentally, then realizing you shot yourself in the foot as you wretch in pain, and then shoot yourself in the foot again on purpose.......

[NIOSA]

1) He lied to Congress and the American people about Iraqs involvement with al Qaida and that Iraq was involved in 911.


2) He lied about Saddam Hussein seeking yellow Cake from Niger. The CIA had told him that was false intel and NOT to include those 16 words in his SotU Address.

....for starters.

Joe Wilson, the idiot that went to check out the yellow cake aspect is a proven liar Dang. Now if that's all ther is for proof, it won't hunt.
Again, proving that Bush lied to congress & the American people will be impossible to prove.
In all honesty, I'd like articles of impeachment brought because I believe that a whole lot of elected officials shenannigans would come to light. But then that's why there won't be an impeachment....unless he perjures himself for 'the use of a cigar'. :evil:

[IndieVisible]

You and IndieVisible need to read this before you continue posting.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

Well of course I looked at his argument, I just don't aggre with the lunatic. If you do thats fine with me. In which case we should also take every democrat and republican to trial too because according to Kookinich they are all guilty and equal partakers over the Iraq war because they continue to fund it! Never mind about our troops who are their and need the funds to SURVIVE another day in hell. The man is a lunatic. Go ahead and support him! You have that right, and I have the right to call a spade a spade and a lunitic a lunatic lol

[DANG]

Joe Wilson, the idiot that went to check out the yellow cake aspect is a proven liar Dang. What did he lie about? The document offered for proof was a fake. The letterhead was a poor imitation, of an official who had long ago retired. I could prolly find that somewhere (but I wont look forever)
Now if that's all ther is for proof, it won't hunt.Everything I say is fully substantiated.

Again, proving that Bush lied to congress & the American people will be impossible to prove. Sure it will. If you stick your fingers in your ears and say lalalalalalalalalalalalalaal... and dont read the proof.

If you want to bring up that incident in the 80's where Saddam sought wmds, hell, didnt WE give him bio weapons under Reagan...through Rumsfeld?

But he had destroyed those and was passing UN inspections when cheneybush bombed the crap out of those INNOCENT people.

About a Million counts of unjustifiable homicide... :unreal:

[DANG]

Heres the letter from Henry Waxman dated March 17, 2003
informing bush that he is going to war on FALSE PRETENSES:
.PDF (http://www.fas.org/irp/news/2003/03/waxman.pdf)

[DANG]

Instead most of the sheeple are campaigning for another version of the same corruption by helping members of the bi-partisan corruption to get re-elected.
I dont care for ANY of our choices.
But, I wont be voting repugnant.... that includes Bob Barr. I dont like his voting record and he's like Ralph Nader all over again.

If I dont vote at all then I dont have any right to complain. And I do like to complain. :lmao:

[Wndrtch]

If you want to bring up that incident in the 80's where Saddam sought wmds, hell, didnt WE give him bio weapons under Reagan...through Rumsfeld?

That's why we knew he had them. We sold them to him.

But he had destroyed those and was passing UN inspections when cheneybush bombed the crap out of those INNOCENT people.

WHAT! Revising history again?

Even Clinton bombed him in the 90's because he wasn't cooperating with UN inspections. He ignored 17 UN Resolutions. How is that "cooperation"?

[DANG]

Saddam was complying with the UN. They were almost finished when cheneybush warned them of the invasion.

I am aware of the on again off again inspections... but saddam was not non-compliant at the time of our tresspass.

[Osborn F. Enready]

Dang said:
And I do like to complain.

Well, voting for another PROBLEM will remove your intellectually honest right to complain as much as not voting.... so again, why bother then?

[DANG]

Notice the DATE: (prewar)CNN Story (http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/03/14/sprj.irq.documents/index.html)

Fake Iraq documents 'embarrassing' for U.S.
From David Ensor
CNN Washington Bureau
Friday, March 14, 2003 Posted: 10:43 PM EST (0343 GMT)



WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Intelligence documents that U.S. and British governments said were strong evidence that Iraq was developing nuclear weapons have been dismissed as forgeries by U.N. weapons inspectors.

The documents, given to International Atomic Energy Agency Director General Mohamed ElBaradei, indicated that Iraq might have tried to buy 500 tons of uranium from Niger, but the agency said they were "obvious" fakes.

U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell referred to the documents directly in his presentation to the U.N. Security Council outlining the Bush administration's case against Iraq.

"I'm sure the FBI and CIA must be mortified by this because it is extremely embarrassing to them," former CIA official Ray Close said.

Responding to questions about the documents from lawmakers, Powell said, "It was provided in good faith to the inspectors and our agency received it in good faith, not participating ... in any way in any falsification activities."

"It was the information that we had. We provided it. If that information is inaccurate, fine," Powell said on NBC's "Meet the Press" last Sunday.

"We don't believe that all the issues surrounding nuclear weapons have been resolved [in Iraq]," he said.

How were forgeries missed?
But the discovery raises questions such as why the apparent forgeries were given to inspectors and why U.S. and British intelligence agents did not recognize that they were not authentic.

Sources said that one of the documents was a letter discussing the uranium deal supposedly signed by Niger President Tandja Mamadou. The sources described the signature as "childlike" and said that it clearly was not Mamadou's.

Another, written on paper from a 1980s military government in Niger, bears the date of October 2000 and the signature of a man who by then had not been foreign minister of Niger in 14 years, sources said.

more... (http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/03/14/sprj.irq.documents/index.html)

[DANG]

Well, voting for another PROBLEM will remove your intellectually honest right to complain as much as not voting.... so again, why bother then?
Oh I KNOW .... I KNOW.
So I wont have to COMPLAIN about bigger problems.
Like World War III, if McCain wins because I voted for a non-contender!

[ptif219]

Give up on his oath to defend the Constitution?
I sure hope not. We need a lot more like him

http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/19/impeachmentchancelj9.gif

We have enough problems.

[ptif219]

Whether you like Kucinich or not is irrelevent! Are his articals for impeachment valid or not
should be the only question you have! If Bush is guilty we as Americans should push for
Impeachment !!!

If we don't keep them honest no one will !!!

No there are not valid.He keeps this up.What is this number 4or5.None have been valid.

[ptif219]

You and IndieVisible need to read this before you continue posting.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

Sorry I did address it Bush said the same as most dems in Congress and the Clintons.That is what world wide intelligence agents showed That Saddam had WMD'S.

[ptif219]

Saddam was complying with the UN. They were almost finished when cheneybush warned them of the invasion.

I am aware of the on again off again inspections... but saddam was not non-compliant at the time of our tresspass.

Is this what you call cooperation?


http://startthinkingright.wordpress.com/2008/05/06/iraq-war-justified-what-the-chronology-reveals-part-2/

[DANG]

Is this what you call cooperation?
Yes.

The UN was allowed in and they had found only minor infractions, that were being corrected. The sanctions would be lifted soon and Iraq would be allowed to fulfill their oil contracts with France and Russia. The suffering of the people of Iraq was finally over. The sanctions had murdered 500,000 Iraqi children.

Nothing to warrant our terrorism of March 23, 2003.
I am ashamed. We are evil.

[ptif219]

Yes.

The UN was allowed in and they had found only minor infractions, that were being corrected. The sanctions would be lifted soon and Iraq would be allowed to fulfill their oil contracts with France and Russia. The suffering of the people of Iraq was finally over. The sanctions had murdered 500,000 Iraqi children.

Nothing to warrant our terrorism of March 23, 2003.
I am ashamed. We are evil.

Did you read the article?

[DANG]

Its a freaking blog!
I have several of those.

I read it for a while. It offers no sources to back ANY of its claims and makes wild accusations and assumptions. It also slips in 911 while talking about Iraq. It doesnt claim Iraq carried out 911, it just inserts it there as if it were a foregone conclusion.

How about citing valid, unbiased sources?

[IndieVisible]

Sorry I did address it Bush said the same as most dems in Congress and the Clintons.That is what world wide intelligence agents showed That Saddam had WMD'S.

If I could find a way to stick it to Bush man I would trust me. But what can you do? Make up stuff? I know Bush wanted to push us in Iraq, but proving it is the key. If Edwards and Hillary didn't do such a damn good job defending their reasons for voting for the war on those debates, Edwards even adding that he reviewed all documents, Hillary admitted she did not review the documents but spoke to those who did, it just seems if there was some thing to bring up impeachment we would be hearing it first from candidates you can actually take seriously.

So for me any way, we need more then Kucinich. Every one is guilty in his eyes, except himself of course :)

Man I use to work with some one like him. I stopped asking him how's it going because every time I did he would not say fine, or good, or ok, he would say terrible, and then proceed to list all the reasons why.

Any body see the NH debates? That's proof positive what a nut this guy is!

[ptif219]

Its a freaking blog!
I have several of those.

I read it for a while. It offers no sources to back ANY of its claims and makes wild accusations and assumptions. It also slips in 911 while talking about Iraq. It doesnt claim Iraq carried out 911, it just inserts it there as if it were a foregone conclusion.

How about citing valid, unbiased sources?

http://newsbusters.org/node/11907


http://www.chronogram.com/issue/2002/11/roomforaview/briefs.html

[DANG]

oh yeah and dont just give me a web page and expect me to spend all day debunking each claim point by point.

I see flaws in those BLOGs too.

Cherry pick your best case and let her rip.

[ptif219]

oh yeah and dont just give me a web page and expect me to spend all day debunking each claim point by point.

I see flaws in those BLOGs too.

Cherry pick your best case and let her rip.

You have no leg to stand on Saddam did not cooperate thats why the inspectors were pulled out in 1998.

[DANG]

I wasnt talking about 1998.
I was talking about when bush chased the UN inspectors out in March 2003. He (saddam)WAS complying... the UN was satisfied. But if the UN gave them a clean bill of health (which is what the spys were reporting) then Cheney would NEVER get his paws on that oil.

Are you saying we murdered all those people because of something what happened in 1998?

Boy, bush really does
http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/8631/duhinwur3.gif

[Six]

Here we go again.Does this guy ever give up?


http://kucinich.house.gov/News/DocumentSingle.aspx?DocumentID=96858



Washington, Jul 10 - Congressman Dennis Kucinich (D-OH) will release the text of a single article of Impeachment of the President today at 2:00 pm in a news conference on the Cannon Terrace.

The Article of Impeachment is entitled: “Deceiving Congress with Fabricated Threats of Iraq WMDs to Fraudulently Obtain Support for an Authorization of the Use of Military Force Against Iraq.”

It's pretty sad actually. Ever since he lost that ring....( i think he looks like Gollum from Lord of the Rings ). These impeachment hearings are more about him justifying his pathetic existance and getting press for himself than anything else.

Politicians like Kucinich and Mertha are far more worthy of a jail cell than President Bush.

[ptif219]

I wasnt talking about 1998.
I was talking about when bush chased the UN inspectors out in March 2003. He WAS complying... the UN was satisfied. But if the UN gave them a clean bill of health (which is what the spys were reporting) then Cheney would NEVER get his paws on that oil.

Are you saying we murdered all those people because of something what happened in 1998?

Boy, bush really does
http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/8631/duhinwur3.gif


A question during a news conference.Notice what Blair says.




http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/01/20030131-23.html


Thank you, sir. First, quickly to the Prime Minister, did you ask President Bush to secure a second U.N. resolution and to give the inspectors more time? And, President Bush, the U.N. says -- the U.N. inspectors say Saddam is not complying, you say Saddam is not complying, why wait a matter of weeks? What's -- why hold up on the decision?

THE PRESIDENT: First of all, you violated the two-question rule -- as usual. He's had a bad habit of this. I'll start.

Saddam Hussein is not disarming. He is a danger to the world. He must disarm. And that's why I have constantly said and the Prime Minister has constantly said this issue will come to a head in a matter of weeks, not months.

THE PRIME MINISTER: The whole point about the present situation is that when President Bush made his speech to the United Nations, when we went down the United Nations route, we passed Resolution 1441. And I think it really repays reading that, because we said very clearly that Saddam had what we said was a final opportunity to disarm, and that he had to cooperate fully in every respect with the U.N. weapons inspectors.

As Dr. Blix said in his report to the Security Council earlier this week, he's not doing that. And therefore, what is important is that the international community comes together again and makes it absolutely clear that this is unacceptable. And the reason why I believe that it will do that is precisely because in the original Resolution 1441, we made it clear that failure to disarm would lead to serious consequences.

So this is a test for the international community. It's not just a test for the United States or for Britain. It's a test for the international community, too. And the judgment has to be, at the present time, that Saddam Hussein is not cooperating with the inspectors, and therefore is in breach of the U.N. resolution. And that's why time is running out.

[DANG]

So, bush's poodle is more reliable than bush?
Why go to a co-conspirator in the crime for his biased opinion?
Neither one of them are worth a crap. Prisons are FULL of innocent people... just ask em.


Try this:
BBC Story (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3661134.stm)

Iraq war illegal, says Annan

The United Nations Secretary-General Kofi Annan has told the BBC the US-led invasion of Iraq was an illegal act that contravened the UN charter.
He said the decision to take action in Iraq should have been made by the Security Council, not unilaterally.
con·tra·vene (kŏn'trə-vēn')
tr.v., -vened, -ven·ing, -venes.
1) To act or be counter to; violate: contravene a direct order.

[ptif219]

So, bush's poodle is more reliable than bush?
Why go to a co-conspirator in the crime for his biased opinion?
Neither one of them are worth a crap. Prisons are FULL of innocent people... just ask em.


Try this:

He said this.

As Dr. Blix said in his report to the Security Council earlier this week, he's not doing that. And therefore, what is important is that the international community comes together again and makes it absolutely clear that this is unacceptable. And the reason why I believe that it will do that is precisely because in the original Resolution 1441, we made it clear that failure to disarm would lead to serious consequences.

Saddam was not cooperating you claimed he was.

So now you go another direction.

So what action did Kofi take besides blowing smoke?

Kofi was an idiot and the UN is a useless organization we should leave the UN and kick them out of this country.

[DANG]

Saddam was not cooperating you claimed he was.Show me what Blix said.... not what Tony the Poodle said about what he said.

I remember saddam having a few rockets that would shoot a few feet farther than allowed... and he had already destroyed most of them ...and was in process of destroying the rest.
That could be remedied in a couple of days. The UN was satisfied with the progress. cheneybush was not satisfied... he wanted to carpet bomb those brown people even if their leader was guilty of jaywalking.

It was the UN's job to resolve the situation.
cheneybush took matters into their own hands because an attack was going to be impossible soon... when the UN lifted all sanctions because Iraq was compliant..

[DANG]

Kofi was an idiot and the UN is a useless organization we should leave the UN and kick them out of this country. So now the truth comes out.
You only go along with the UN when you think they are giving you an excuse to murder innocents.

Your BEST rationale for war is the UN Resolutions... yet, you want the scapegoat destroyed when that turns into a weak link.

Make up your mind.

[NoMoreDems-Reps]

In which case we should also take every democrat and republican to trial too because according to Kookinich they are all guilty and equal partakers over the Iraq war because they continue to fund it! Never mind about our troops who are their and need the funds to SURVIVE another day in hell.


Now you're making sense !

If our politicians commit crimes they NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If we don't hold them accountable WE ARE SCREWED !!! (Kinda like we are now !)

And the fact of what Bush has done is lunacy not that some one is pointing it out !!!

Ron Paul, Ralph Nader, Valerie Plame's husband and Kucinich all are stating that
Bush is guilty of high crime and treason ! If this is true we should Impeach.
Now he might not be found guilty just like Bill Clinton and OJ Simpson ! But we should
not let criminal Politicians be lawless !!!

[NoMoreDems-Reps]

Sorry I did address it Bush said the same as most dems in Congress and the Clintons.That is what world wide intelligence agents showed That Saddam had WMD'S.

Be honest !
He had WMD way back when Clinton was Prez! Not when Bush invaded !
The US & UN should have invaded when Hans Blitz left Iraq in protest in ?199? !

The Dems are guilty of not investigating for themselves. There was enough intel that
contradict the intel Bush was sighting.

[DANG]

Kucinich is level headed"There can be no greater offense of a Commander in Chief than to misrepresent a cause of war and to send our brave men and women into harm's way based on those misrepresentations," Kucinich wrote in the "Dear Colleague" letter.

"There has been a breach of faith between the Commander in Chief and the troops. Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 or with Al Qaeda's role in 9/11. Iraq had neither the intention nor the capability of attacking the United States," he continued. "Iraq did not have weapons of Mass of Destruction. Yet George W. Bush took our troops to war under all of these false assumptions. Given the profound and irreversible consequences to our troops, if his decision was the result of a mistake, he must be impeached. Since his decision was based on lies, impeachment as a remedy falls short, but represents at least some effort on our part to demonstrate our concern about the sacrifices our troops have made."I have already shown how everyone knew BEFORE our 3/23/03 terrorist bombings on Bagdad, that the WMD claim was a FARCE in post #41 (http://www.democracyforums.com/showpost.php?p=213577&postcount=41)of this thread:
Notice the DATE: (prewar)

CNN Story (http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/03/14/sprj.irq.documents/index.html)

Fake Iraq documents 'embarrassing' for U.S.
From David Ensor
CNN Washington Bureau
Friday, March 14, 2003 Posted: 10:43 PM EST (0343 GMT)



WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Intelligence documents that U.S. and British governments said were strong evidence that Iraq was developing nuclear weapons have been dismissed as forgeries by U.N. weapons inspectors.

*snip* That was published 6 days before our military was used for terrorism.
There was plenty of time to call off the war... or make up new excuses. But, they did not. That makes them pretty much worse than the 911 terrorists!

[ptif219]

Show me what Blix said.... not what Tony the Poodle said about what he said.

I remember saddam having a few rockets that would shoot a few feet farther than allowed... and he had already destroyed most of them ...and was in process of destroying the rest.
That could be remedied in a couple of days. The UN was satisfied with the progress. cheneybush was not satisfied... he wanted to carpet bomb those brown people even if their leader was guilty of jaywalking.

It was the UN's job to resolve the situation.
cheneybush took matters into their own hands because an attack was going to be impossible soon... when the UN lifted all sanctions because Iraq was compliant..

Prove the UN was satisfied.Are you calling Blair a liar.

[ptif219]

Kucinich is level headedI have already shown how everyone knew BEFORE our 3/23/03 terrorist bombings on Bagdad, that the WMD claim was a FARCE in post #41 (http://www.democracyforums.com/showpost.php?p=213577&postcount=41)of this thread:
That was published 6 days before our military was used for terrorism.
There was plenty of time to call off the war... or make up new excuses. But, they did not. That makes them pretty much worse than the 911 terrorists!

No you did not.That has to do with nukes.

You spin and twist now show proof Saddam was cooperating with inspectors as you claim.

[DANG]

Prove the UN was satisfied.

Here: (.pdf)
THE STATUS OF NUCLEAR INSPECTIONS IN IRAQ:
AN UPDATE (http://www.un.org/News/dh/iraq/elbaradei-7mar03.pdf)

Meeting of the
United Nations Security Council

New York
7 March 2003

**snip**
CONCLUSION
In conclusion, I am able to report today that, in the area of nuclear weapons — the most
lethal weapons of mass destruction — inspections in Iraq are moving forward. Since the resumption of inspections a little over three months ago — and particularly during the three weeks since my last oral report to the Council — the IAEA has made important progress in identifying what nuclear-related capabilities remain in Iraq, and in its assessment of whether Iraq has made any efforts to revive its past nuclear programme during the intervening four years since inspections were brought to a halt. At this stage, the following can be stated:

One, there is no indication of resumed nuclear activities in those buildings that were identified through the use of satellite imagery as being reconstructed or newly erected since 1998, nor any indication of nuclear-related prohibited activities at any inspected sites.

Second, there is no indication that Iraq has attempted to import uranium since 1990.

Third, there is no indication that Iraq has attempted to import aluminium tubes for use in centrifuge enrichment. Moreover, even had Iraq pursued such a plan, it would have encountered practical difficulties in manufacturing centrifuges out of the aluminium tubes in question.

Fourth, although we are still reviewing issues related to magnets and magnet production, there is no indication to date that Iraq imported magnets for use in a centrifuge enrichment programme.
Are you calling Blair a liar. Bliar? A Liar? Are you still on that ancient history? I asked for a a source to back up your claim... I am not sure which decade you were talking about. Was the Blix statement after he retired?
Because if you are talking about old bio-weapons.... they have a shelf life and had expired by the time cheneybush murdered all those innocent women and children while they slept. Clarify your Blix/Bliar statement with a link.

[DANG]

No you did not.That has to do with nukes. Remember the snake ladys' terrorist threat of a mushroom cloud. The cheneybush cabinet used "nookular" threats to get piranha-like frenzied approval to terrorize Iraq. Nukes ARE the issue your presitard used to play on your fears so he could do whatever he wanted. Even to use our miltary as a weapon of mass destruction. He played you like a fool. Hows that feel?

You spin and twist now show proof Saddam was cooperating with inspectors as you claim. See above UN document. Inspections were in progress.

[DANG]

Hans Blix March 7, 2003: (http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/03/07/sprj.irq.un.transcript.blix/index.html)
"This is not to say that the operation of inspections is free from frictions, but at this juncture we are able to perform professional, no-notice inspections all over Iraq and to increase aerial surveillance."

[ptif219]

Here: (.pdf)

Bliar? A Liar? Are you still on that ancient history? I asked for a a source to back up your claim... I am not sure which decade you were talking about. Was the Blix statement after he retired?
Because if you are talking about old bio-weapons.... they have a shelf life and had expired by the time cheneybush murdered all those innocent women and children while they slept. Clarify your Blix/Bliar statement with a link.

As I said this not about WMD'S only nukes

[ptif219]

Hans Blix March 7, 2003: (http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/03/07/sprj.irq.un.transcript.blix/index.html)
"This is not to say that the operation of inspections is free from frictions, but at this juncture we are able to perform professional, no-notice inspections all over Iraq and to increase aerial surveillance."

Notice in your article Saddam was doing better but was still not completely complying.Guess who UN inspectors blame.Not Saddam but the US I am sure there is no bias in their report. :madlaugh:


http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/01/18/iraq/main537096.shtml



.N. sources have told CBS News that American tips have lead to one dead end after another.


Example: satellite photographs purporting to show new research buildings at Iraqi nuclear sites. When the U.N. went into the new buildings they found "nothing."


Example: Saddam's presidential palaces, where the inspectors went with specific coordinates supplied by the U.S. on where to look for incriminating evidence. Again, they found "nothing."


Example: Interviews with scientists about the aluminum tubes the U.S. says Iraq has imported for enriching uranium, but which the Iraqis say are for making rockets. Given the size and specification of the tubes, the U.N. calls the "Iraqi alibi air tight."

The inspectors do acknowledge, however, that they would not be here at all if not for the threat of U.S. military action.

So frustrated have the inspectors become that one source has referred to the U.S. intelligence they've been getting as "garbage after garbage after garbage." In fact, Phillips says the source used another cruder word. The inspectors find themselves caught between the Iraqis, who are masters at the weapons-hiding shell game, and the United States, whose intelligence they've found to be circumstantial, outdated or just plain wrong.

Meanwhile, the U.S. and Britain are planning to present a new resolution to the U.N. Security Council on Monday in a bid for support to use force to disarm Iraq.




Were their spys giving Saddam warnings even Blix would not rule that out.Yet it is the US fault.Blix gave soft inspections and refused to do inspections quick and hard the way the US wanted.

Believe him if you want but I have my doubts about Blix and the UN.Remember the corruption in the UN with oil for food yet you say we should believe what they say.The corruption tells me they were not truthful.

[DANG]

You choose to believe anything bush says... and nothing the UN says....
Yet, you cite the UN as justification for war....WHILE they say bush started an illegal war.

You still have no noble cause for the war. You would rather ASSUME Iraq had wmds.

You talk about hard and soft inspections.... I showed you PROOF that the UN was SATISFIED with Saddams cooperation.

The UN had a responsibility and sole authority to enforce its own resolutions.

Your president is a fascist war criminal. And you are a nazi appeaser.

Its such a waste of time trying to talk sense to brainwashed cheerleaders of the regime.

[DANG]

Your article comes right out in the TITLE, saying bush is using bullshit, fabricated intel.

CBS Story (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/01/18/iraq/main537096.shtml)

Inspectors Call U.S. Tips 'Garbage'
U.N. Sources Complain About Quality Of U.S. Intelligence On Iraq
And dont try to blame the CIA.... we all knew the intel was crap
BEFORE THE GODDAMNED WAR STARTED!!

When will it ever sink in?
bush had NOTHING.... no valid reason to go to war.
That makes it TERRORISM.

Wake up and smell the terrorism.

Its us, not "them"

[ptif219]

You choose to believe anything bush says... and nothing the UN says....
Yet, you cite the UN as justification for war....WHILE they say bush started an illegal war.

You still have no noble cause for the war. You would rather ASSUME Iraq had wmds.

You talk about hard and soft inspections.... I showed you PROOF that the UN was SATISFIED with Saddams cooperation.

The UN had a responsibility and sole authority to enforce its own resolutions.

Your president is a fascist war criminal. And you are a nazi appeaser.

Its such a waste of time trying to talk sense to brainwashed cheerleaders of the regime.


You mean the people who Saddam was bribing with his oil and the oil for food scam.Thats who you believe over the president.

[DANG]

Is bribery a capital offense punishable by the murder of appx 1 million innocent bystanders?

If so washington DC should be wiped off the map.

[DANG]

YOUR president was sending bad intel ... with bad coordinates to the UN inspectors.... NONE of which produced any weapons at all. You would think they would get lucky... but ALL the intel cheneybush provided was FALSE. LIES!

Thats in the link YOU SUPPLIED.

I wish you would give me some sources that help your case

INSTEAD OF MINE!

[ptif219]

YOUR president was sending bad intel ... with bad coordinates to the UN inspectors.... NONE of which produced any weapons at all. You would think they would get lucky... but ALL the intel cheneybush provided was FALSE. LIES!

Thats in the link YOU SUPPLIED.

I wish you would give me some sources that help your case

INSTEAD OF MINE!

Was he or was someone warning Saddam?

[DANG]

Hell, its your lie. You tell me.

Why dont we just stick to provable facts that have sources to give them weight?

[ptif219]

Hell, its your lie. You tell me.

Why dont we just stick to provable facts that have sources to give them weight?

What facts?The facts that the UN was up to its eyeballs in corruption and Saddams payoffs.So it makes sense that the UN inspector were protecting Saddam and blaming the country that was not involved in the corruption the US.

But of course you will never admit that.That doesn't fit the hate America, blame America first agenda.

[apdst]

You choose to believe anything bush says... and nothing the UN says....
Yet, you cite the UN as justification for war....WHILE they say bush started an illegal war.

The UN recently decided NOT to impose sanctions against Robert Mugabe. So, yes, I don't believe in anything The UN says.

[DANG]

What facts?The facts that the UN was up to its eyeballs in corruption and Saddams payoffs.So it makes sense that the UN inspector were protecting Saddam and blaming the country that was not involved in the corruption the US. You are forgetting one small detail. In hindsight after Murdering appx 1 Million innocent people and fast approaching a Trillion US Dollars ....The UN was RIGHT after all.
No WMD's.

The proof is in the pudding.
You are acting as if they really DID have WMDs, but the UN was just bribed out of admitting it. Are you dense? Everybody except for you (and your kind) can accept that the whole premise of the war WAS A LIE.

In fact bush pretty much admitted he was kidding the whole time. When he put on the charade in his office... pretending to look for WMDs.

Big joke. Real funny guy... what a sack of sh!t.

cheneybush should share the fate of Saddam Hussein... after a speedy trial, of course.

[DANG]

The UN recently decided NOT to impose sanctions against Robert Mugabe. So, yes, I don't believe in anything The UN says.
Sanctions only punish the people.
Havent they sufferred enough?

[ptif219]

You are forgetting one small detail. In hindsight after Murdering appx 1 Million innocent people and fast approaching a Trillion US Dollars ....The UN was RIGHT after all.
No WMD's.

The proof is in the pudding.
You are acting as if they really DID have WMDs, but the UN was just bribed out of admitting it. Are you dense? Everybody except for you (and your kind) can accept that the whole premise of the war WAS A LIE.

In fact bush pretty much admitted he was kidding the whole time. When he put on the charade in his office... pretending to look for WMDs.

Big joke. Real funny guy... what a sack of sh!t.

cheneybush should share the fate of Saddam Hussein... after a speedy trial, of course.


Prove your statement and figures

[apdst]

Sanctions only punish the people.
Havent they sufferred enough?

So, let's just do nothing, right? That makes sense.

[DANG]

Prove your statement and figures
Which statement?

As for the figures; Tommy Franks decided they were like dead insects and didnt bother to count casualties.
My estimate is based on The Lancet survey done about 2 years ago.
Which is better than what you cacksucker president has offerred.

Heres the Cost of Iraq war $536,362,833,517 as of a minuts ago.
It changes every split second.
Click Here to see the running clock (http://www.nationalpriorities.org/costofwar_home)

[DANG]

So, let's just do nothing, right? That makes sense.
I think bush is such a famous loser at diplomacy and war... yeah, nothing is better. If they had oil we would be on it. Guaranteed.

[ptif219]

Which statement?

As for the figures; Tommy Franks decided they were like dead insects and didnt bother to count casualties.
My estimate is based on The Lancet survey done about 2 years ago.
Which is better than what you cacksucker president has offerred.

Heres the Cost of Iraq war $536,362,833,517 as of a minuts ago.
It changes every split second.
Click Here to see the running clock (http://www.nationalpriorities.org/costofwar_home)

1 million an estimate.:madlaugh: How many of those are people killed by the terrorist.

Funny this says something else




http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/19/iraq-casualties-iraq-cos_n_92303.html


The Cost to Iraqis and Journalists


8,000: Number of Iraqi military and police killed since June 2003. [Brookings Institute, Iraq Index, March 13, 2008]


82,000-89,000: Estimate of Iraqi civilians casualties from violence since the beginning of the Iraq War. [Iraq Body Count