McCain economic advisor calls US 'A nation of whiners'

[suedanim]

:shame:

I don't know about you, but we're paying $4.10 a gallon for gas now. My groceries for a family of six are through the roof. I am now having to go back to food banks to help feed my family and clothing bank and thrift shops cloth my family. I'm NOT ashamed to tell that either. There are millions far worse off than we are, many can't even get to a food bank.

The food banks... are spread thin.. There just isn't enough for all who need it, therefore I only go once a month, if that. Our homeless population has grown significantly.

But its all in our heads, Phil says and he says, we are whining. Families are on the streets because they cannot pay the rent... but they are whining over not being able to pay rents or mortgages over $1,000 a month.
I REALLY think we should be talking about the economy and what can be done to solve the problems we are facing in reducing the col and the deficit.

I know they better not touch Social Security and Medicare! Can't live without it.

McCain Economic Adviser Calls US 'A Nation of Whiners' (http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/07/10/mccain_economic_adviser_calls.html)

http://media.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/photo/2008/07/10/PH2008071001257.jpg

Presidential candidate John McCain, flanked by his wife, Cindy and former Texas Sen. Phil Gramm, with his wife Wendy, looks at his notes while addressing the media at the Swift Aviation hangar in Phoenix, Ariz., March 8, 2008. (Ricky Carioti/The Washington Post)

By Jonathan Weisman

Former senator Phil Gramm, a top policy adviser of Sen. John McCain's, said the nation is in a "mental recession," not an actual one, and suggested the United States has "become a nation of whiners."

The interview, published in in the Washington Times (http://www.washtimes.com/news/2008/jul/09/mccain-adviser-addresses-mental-recession/), could compound the problems of the presumptive Republican nominee as he tries to show his concern for Americans struggling with six months of job losses, near-stagnant economic growth, and soaring energy and food costs. It comes after McCain appeared to call (http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/07/09/mccain_sparks_controversy_with.html) the system that has financed Social Security since its inception "a disgrace."

"You've heard of mental depression; this is a mental recession," Gramm said, noting that growth has held up at about 1 percent despite all the publicity over losing jobs to India, China, illegal immigration, housing and credit problems and record oil prices. "We may have a recession; we haven't had one yet."

"We have sort of become a nation of whiners," Gramm said. "You just hear this constant whining, complaining about a loss of competitiveness, America in decline" despite a major export boom that is the primary reason that growth continues in the economy.

Since McCain admitted last winter that the economy was not his strong suit, he has made a concerted effort to look smarter on the issue, stressing his sympathies and saying whenever he can that he understands Americans are hurting. But Gramm is a close friend and adviser, and his words could haunt the senator from Arizona.

[Osborn F. Enready]

Its a fact... a majority of them are shrugging off their responsibilities, both to uphold Constitutional Limitations on power and banking, as well as their own actions and financial responsibilities.

The fact is, it only hurts BOTH parties, as it points to the obvious problems this nations has..... both parties ill advised, logically flawed, emotionally driven leadership.

[IndieVisible]

Cindy McCain is HOT, Indie would do her!

Any way I could not be happier that McCain is Republican nominee! Who in their right mind would vote for McCain? I mean John, Cindy has my vote :love:

[heyjude]

There are two sides of this problem. Yes, most people are in debt way over their heads. No one forced them to go there. Gas where I live is almost $5 a gallon by the way.

The other side is that the neo-cons are on a relentless march to drive America into third world status. The few will own everything, the majority nothing. And apparently, you aren't supposed to whine about it. Shut up, and get over it.

[Wndrtch]

:shame:

I don't know about you, but we're paying $4.10 a gallon for gas now. My groceries for a family of six are through the roof. I am now having to go back to food banks to help feed my family and clothing bank and thrift shops cloth my family. I'm NOT ashamed to tell that either. There are millions far worse off than we are, many can't even get to a food bank.

The food banks... are spread thin.. There just isn't enough for all who need it, therefore I only go once a month, if that. Our homeless population has grown significantly.

But its all in our heads, Phil says and he says, we are whining. Families are on the streets because they cannot pay the rent... but they are whining over not being able to pay rents or mortgages over $1,000 a month.
I REALLY think we should be talking about the economy and what can be done to solve the problems we are facing in reducing the col and the deficit.

I know they better not touch Social Security and Medicare! Can't live without it.

McCain Economic Adviser Calls US 'A Nation of Whiners' (http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/07/10/mccain_economic_adviser_calls.html)

http://media.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/photo/2008/07/10/PH2008071001257.jpg

Presidential candidate John McCain, flanked by his wife, Cindy and former Texas Sen. Phil Gramm, with his wife Wendy, looks at his notes while addressing the media at the Swift Aviation hangar in Phoenix, Ariz., March 8, 2008. (Ricky Carioti/The Washington Post)

By Jonathan Weisman

Former senator Phil Gramm, a top policy adviser of Sen. John McCain's, said the nation is in a "mental recession," not an actual one, and suggested the United States has "become a nation of whiners."

The interview, published in in the Washington Times (http://www.washtimes.com/news/2008/jul/09/mccain-adviser-addresses-mental-recession/), could compound the problems of the presumptive Republican nominee as he tries to show his concern for Americans struggling with six months of job losses, near-stagnant economic growth, and soaring energy and food costs. It comes after McCain appeared to call (http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/07/09/mccain_sparks_controversy_with.html) the system that has financed Social Security since its inception "a disgrace."

"You've heard of mental depression; this is a mental recession," Gramm said, noting that growth has held up at about 1 percent despite all the publicity over losing jobs to India, China, illegal immigration, housing and credit problems and record oil prices. "We may have a recession; we haven't had one yet."

"We have sort of become a nation of whiners," Gramm said. "You just hear this constant whining, complaining about a loss of competitiveness, America in decline" despite a major export boom that is the primary reason that growth continues in the economy.

Since McCain admitted last winter that the economy was not his strong suit, he has made a concerted effort to look smarter on the issue, stressing his sympathies and saying whenever he can that he understands Americans are hurting. But Gramm is a close friend and adviser, and his words could haunt the senator from Arizona.

He was talking about Democrats.

[heyjude]

The only thing America is exporting is cigarettes and jobs.

[potter]

Cindy McCain is HOT, Indie would do her!

:love:


Please see necrophilia thread..... :drool:

[IndieVisible]

Please see necrophilia thread..... :drool:

You bad lol.

[suedanim]

Its a fact... a majority of them are shrugging off their responsibilities, both to uphold Constitutional Limitations on power and banking, as well as their own actions and financial responsibilities.

The fact is, it only hurts BOTH parties, as it points to the obvious problems this nations has..... both parties ill advised, logically flawed, emotionally driven leadership.

Did you hear Jesse Ventura on MSNBC this AM? He's thinking of running for the Senate. I love that guy.

Anyway.. he made the point this am that its the economy stupid and its Libertarians who raise the conversation on the economy and make it the premier topic. I think he's right of course... That, ending the war in Iraq and taking the country back from the neocons.

[potter]

I find it amusing that one of the elite wealthy rulers of this country is calling the lower and middle class folks "whiners".

"Let them eat cake" was also a good line...... :peace:

[IndieVisible]

Sure easy for John McCain to say. He's sitting on Cindy's Budweiser!

[4Reaganomics]

Gramm broke his balls to become a professor of Econ at A&M and in his private consulting work. He is someone who, get this, has hands on experience in the economy. I know it is a difficult concept to grasp with the career politicians that have flooded Washington from both major parties.

Sensitivity is responsible for political correctness. We are not in a technical recession and are experiencing a correction. There are plenty of opportunities in this country and I have taken advantage of many of them at the age of twenty.

Gramm calls it as he sees it because he has experienced far worse economic times and has prospered through them due to diligence. I know, diligence, something some of our citizens fail to grasp

[Osborn F. Enready]

Sue said:
Anyway.. he made the point this am that its the economy stupid and its Libertarians who raise the conversation on the economy and make it the premier topic. I think he's right of course... That, ending the war in Iraq and taking the country back from the neocons.

No I didn't see it, but am well familliar with Ventura.

So why support Obama?

[micfranklin]

Seems like when McCain or someone close to McCain says something critical about America it's no big deal to some. But if Obama or someone else says the same thing then it's a problem and he's obviously out to kill Americans through ridicule.

Double standard much?

[Osborn F. Enready]

Mic, I hope you weren't aiming that barb at me....

I have no doubt McCain is corrupt and working against me.... its been happening for a long time, his whole career.

Obama is "touting" a message of change, but its really just a camoflage job on the same old message that has been equally working against me and all taxpaying, law abiding Americans for the entire career of the modern democratic party......

McCain, Obama, same evil, different face, different lies.

[Truth_and_Power]

Sure people in this country used to have less than they do now... now instead both the husband and the wife work outside the home. Soon we will have the children start working at 12 as well. Eventually if we raise the retirement age to around 80 we can get everyone old enough to have hair on their balls working nonstop until they die. Won't that be great!

[micfranklin]

Mic, I hope you weren't aiming that barb at me....

I have no doubt McCain is corrupt and working against me.... its been happening for a long time, his whole career.

Obama is "touting" a message of change, but its really just a camoflage job on the same old message that has been equally working against me and all taxpaying, law abiding Americans for the entire career of the modern democratic party......

McCain, Obama, same evil, different face, different lies.

You? No.

But for those who read it and practice this they know who they are:shame:

[suedanim]

Gramm broke his balls to become a professor of Econ at A&M and in his private consulting work. He is someone who, get this, has hands on experience in the economy. I know it is a difficult concept to grasp with the career politicians that have flooded Washington from both major parties.

I really don't give a shit about Gramm's early history. He's a wealthy out of touch dickhead NOW. Thats what matters.

Sensitivity is responsible for political correctness. We are not in a technical recession and are experiencing a correction. There are plenty of opportunities in this country and I have taken advantage of many of them at the age of twenty.

What are you TALKING about? This has nothing to do with politically correct. What he said shows an utter disconnect not just from the state of the economy, but the American people.

Oh and congratulations on taking advantage of opportunities. Join the majority of other Americans. In a mortgage with a family of six, do ya?

Gramm calls it as he sees it because he has experienced far worse economic times and has prospered through them due to diligence. I know, diligence, something some of our citizens fail to grasp

And unfortunately for McCain, the way Gramm sees it is so fucked up McCain has just shown the American people he not only doesn't understand economics, but is piss poor in surrounding himself with people who do.

Diligence? Give me a break! The American people.... the overwhelming majority... are hardworking, taxpaying, diligent people.

There is no mental recession... Its not in our heads. BUT, of course, morale plays a role when you can't afford gas, groceries or for to high priced housing.

[suedanim]

No I didn't see it, but am well familliar with Ventura.

So why support Obama?

Health care, Iraq, Social Security, education, economy, foreign policy.

Who else is there to support that has a real chance of going to the WH and turning things around for the better?

[Osborn F. Enready]

Sue said:
Health care,

So you support socialist, or nationalization of healthcare?

Sue said:
Iraq,

You support the exit from Iraq? And you think Obama is a positive on this?

Sue said:
Social Security,

OK, another support of socialism and unconstitutional FDR social programs.....

Sue said:
education,

Where is the change there?!? He supports more of the same....in other words, more socialist based education....no competition... stealing for funding.....

Sue said:
economy,

More socialism, further away from Constitutional and individual rights we go....

Sue said:
foreign policy.

OMG.... what aspect of his policy?

Socialist based aid packages, or socialist based nationalization policies? More support of Israel? More UN support?


Do you have any American values Sue, other than free speech?
Do you know whats required to ensure that free speech?
Do you know what rights are fundamental to assure that free speech?
Do you know how many have and are dying to protect the rights OTHER than free speech?

Aye yi yi.....

Sue said:
Who else is there to support that has a real chance of going to the WH and turning things around for the better?

I can barely fathom you are saying that and expecting to be taken seriously, if you mean change for the better..... You obviously don't value much about American culture or individual rights.

[NIOSA]

Anybody hear what Obama said in answer to Gramms remarks?
He said "ho"...... LOL

[lily]

:shame:

I don't know about you, but we're paying $4.10 a gallon for gas now. My groceries for a family of six are through the roof. I am now having to go back to food banks to help feed my family and clothing bank and thrift shops cloth my family. I'm NOT ashamed to tell that either. There are millions far worse off than we are, many can't even get to a food bank.

The food banks... are spread thin.. There just isn't enough for all who need it, therefore I only go once a month, if that. Our homeless population has grown significantly.

But its all in our heads, Phil says and he says, we are whining. Families are on the streets because they cannot pay the rent... but they are whining over not being able to pay rents or mortgages over $1,000 a month.
I REALLY think we should be talking about the economy and what can be done to solve the problems we are facing in reducing the col and the deficit.

I know they better not touch Social Security and Medicare! Can't live without it.

McCain Economic Adviser Calls US 'A Nation of Whiners' (http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/07/10/mccain_economic_adviser_calls.html)

http://media.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/photo/2008/07/10/PH2008071001257.jpg

Presidential candidate John McCain, flanked by his wife, Cindy and former Texas Sen. Phil Gramm, with his wife Wendy, looks at his notes while addressing the media at the Swift Aviation hangar in Phoenix, Ariz., March 8, 2008. (Ricky Carioti/The Washington Post)

By Jonathan Weisman

Former senator Phil Gramm, a top policy adviser of Sen. John McCain's, said the nation is in a "mental recession," not an actual one, and suggested the United States has "become a nation of whiners."

The interview, published in in the Washington Times (http://www.washtimes.com/news/2008/jul/09/mccain-adviser-addresses-mental-recession/), could compound the problems of the presumptive Republican nominee as he tries to show his concern for Americans struggling with six months of job losses, near-stagnant economic growth, and soaring energy and food costs. It comes after McCain appeared to call (http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/07/09/mccain_sparks_controversy_with.html) the system that has financed Social Security since its inception "a disgrace."

"You've heard of mental depression; this is a mental recession," Gramm said, noting that growth has held up at about 1 percent despite all the publicity over losing jobs to India, China, illegal immigration, housing and credit problems and record oil prices. "We may have a recession; we haven't had one yet."

"We have sort of become a nation of whiners," Gramm said. "You just hear this constant whining, complaining about a loss of competitiveness, America in decline" despite a major export boom that is the primary reason that growth continues in the economy.

Since McCain admitted last winter that the economy was not his strong suit, he has made a concerted effort to look smarter on the issue, stressing his sympathies and saying whenever he can that he understands Americans are hurting. But Gramm is a close friend and adviser, and his words could haunt the senator from Arizona.

Sounds to me like he's not a proud American and is ashamed of his country.

[lily]

Gramm broke his balls to become a professor of Econ at A&M and in his private consulting work. He is someone who, get this, has hands on experience in the economy. I know it is a difficult concept to grasp with the career politicians that have flooded Washington from both major parties.

Sensitivity is responsible for political correctness. We are not in a technical recession and are experiencing a correction. There are plenty of opportunities in this country and I have taken advantage of many of them at the age of twenty.

Gramm calls it as he sees it because he has experienced far worse economic times and has prospered through them due to diligence. I know, diligence, something some of our citizens fail to grasp

The same Phil Gramm that is responsible for the housing crisis??

[NIOSA]

Sounds to me like he's not a proud American and is ashamed of his country.

Sounds to me like he got his PhD in economics from an online degree factory.
It was a stupid comment.

[DamnYankee]

Sounds like to me Gramm was right. All the leftist are wimpering and whining.

[lily]

Sounds like to me Gramm was right. All the leftist are wimpering and whining.

Odd.........I thought we were discussing........oh well.

[4Reaganomics]

The same Phil Gramm that is responsible for the housing crisis??

Phil Gramm took out thousands of loans that he couldn't personally afford? or did Phil Gramm lend out large sums of money irresponsibly?

[cronic]

The only thing America is exporting is cigarettes and jobs.

They need to export all the stinky cigarettes

but bring back the jobs..
we have to many illegals out there looking for employment

[lily]

Phil Gramm took out thousands of loans that he couldn't personally afford? or did Phil Gramm lend out large sums of money irresponsibly?


No, I'm talking about Foreclosure Phil.........but then I think with a name like 4Reaganomics, you knew that. (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0308/9246.html);)

[Buck Laser]

Personally I hope Phil stays on McCain's team. He was sorta made for McCain.

I can't get the picture of an Aggie Economics Professor out of my head--a rodeo clown with a checkbook, maybe?:evil:

[Phyxius]

Personally I hope Phil stays on McCain's team. He was sorta made for McCain.

I can't get the picture of an Aggie Economics Professor out of my head--a rodeo clown with a checkbook, maybe?:evil:

Now you know there's only a handful of us here that would get that reference... :madlaugh:


Gig 'Em!!! :lmao: