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ECW
07-10-2008, 10:18 AM
Here's a guy with a set of testicles the size of Texas even though he lives in North Carolina. He refused to fly the North Carolina and American flags at half-staff in front of his office even though the governor proclaimed that all flags fly at half-staff to honor the dead bigot.

L.F. Eason worked for the state of North Carolina for 29 years but now he is no longer an employee of the state. His bosses told him he had to fly the flag at half staff and he refused. They told him fly the flag or retire. He retired effective immediately.

Mint a medal for this guy. Refusing to honor an unrepentant bigot with our cherished flag is the highest duty to our country I can think of for a civilian.

RALEIGH - L.F. Eason III gave up the only job he'd ever had rather than lower a flag to honor former U.S. Sen. Jesse Helms.

Eason, a 29-year veteran of the state Department of Agriculture, instructed his staff at a small Raleigh lab not to fly the U.S. or North Carolina flags at half-staff Monday, as called for in a directive to all state agencies by Gov. Mike Easley.

When a superior ordered the lab to follow the directive, Eason decided to retire rather than pay tribute to Helms. After several hours' delay, one of Eason's employees hung the flags at half-staff.

The brouhaha began late Sunday night, when Eason e-mailed eight of his employees in the state standards lab, which calibrates measuring equipment used on things as widely varied as gasoline and hamburgers.

"Regardless of any executive proclamation, I do not want the flags at the North Carolina Standards Laboratory flown at half staff to honor Jesse Helms any time this week," Eason wrote just after midnight, according to e-mail messages released in response to a public records request.

He told his staff that he did not think it was appropriate to honor Helms because of his "doctrine of negativity, hate, and prejudice" and his opposition to civil rights bills and the federal Martin Luther King Jr. holiday.

Eason said in an interview Tuesday that he did not typically lower the flag himself, but that, as head of the lab, he supervised the technician who did. He also trained new employees on proper flag etiquette, including a one-person folding technique he learned in Boy Scouts.

When the lab opened Monday morning, the flags were not out at all. An employee called Eason's boss, Stephen Benjamin, who worked in another building in Raleigh. About 10:45 a.m., Benjamin told one of Eason's co-workers to put the flags at half-staff.

Another of Eason's superiors later drove by the lab to make sure the flags were up properly.

No one in the Governor's Office was aware of any time in recent memory when a state employee refused to lower a flag. Brian Long, a spokesman for the Agriculture Department, said Eason's refusal was unexpected.

"We've never had any conversations like that," he said.

An ultimatum

In a string of e-mail messages with his superiors, Eason was told he could either lower the flags or retire effective immediately.

Though he's only 51, Eason chose to retire, although he pleaded several times to be allowed to stay at the lab. Eason, who had worked for the Agriculture Department since graduating from college, was paid $65,235 a year as the laboratory manager.

Several people, including his wife, argued to Eason that the flags belonged to the state, as did the lab. But Eason said he felt a strong sense of ownership.

Eason and a previous boss had sketched out the building's rough design on a napkin at the Atlanta airport in 1984 after attending a national conference on weights and measures.

He then worked to get funding for it in the state budget, and he recently helped snag state money to study building another lab.

"I designed and built that lab," he said. "Even though technically the bricks and mortar belong to the state of North Carolina, I feel very strongly that everything that comes out of there is my responsibility."

It was not the first time Eason felt uneasy about lowering the flag.

A registered Democrat who frequently votes a split ticket, he said he had no problems lowering the flag for former Sen. Terry Sanford or President Reagan. But he remembers wondering whether he would be willing to lower the flag after President Nixon's death.

He never had to make that decision, since it rained both days.

Monday was sunny. And Eason was out of a job.

Booya! A Hero Is Born! (http://www.newsobserver.com/front/story/1135443.html)

dgun
07-10-2008, 11:04 AM
Yeah, Jesse Helms was a real jackass. He did a lot of damage in his time.

And good for this guy. Too bad his superiors did not have the good sense to not make an issue of this and let it slide under the radar. They could have kept what was obviously a good and productive employee. But that's the way the government works.

byw, can a Governor order the half staffing of the American flag? I thought this was only something the President could do.

Trish
07-10-2008, 12:42 PM
I am rather with this guy's wife. The flags in question, the building, etc. are State property. They were not Mr. Eason's property and thus were not subject to his sole discretionary disposition. Having said that, however, one has to admire someone willing to pay the consequences for taking a stand on principle!

I don't agree with Mr. Eason's principles in this case, but I admire the hell out of him for putting legs under those principles!

micfranklin
07-10-2008, 01:24 PM
Would a black person honor a Klan member? Would a gay person honor a Westboro Baptist Church member?

Why honor this fucktard?

apdst
07-10-2008, 02:55 PM
You could stick this dude's head up a fly's ass and it would look like a BB in a matchbox.

They're not flying the flags at half mast because of Helms' politics. They're flying the flags at half mast because he was a United States Congressman.

micfranklin
07-10-2008, 03:00 PM
A congressman who needed to clear his head and get his old, krusty ass out of Hitler's playbook.

apdst
07-10-2008, 03:08 PM
A congressman who needed to clear his head and get his old, krusty ass out of Hitler's playbook.

But, a congressman, just the same. YOU don't get to decide which congress member receives honors and which doesn't. What if I decided that I wasn't going to lower the flag after William Jefferson's death? Or, Mary Landrieu? They're both garbage. What about Robert Byrd? Ted Kennedy sure as hell doesn't deserve to recieve honors, but...

micfranklin
07-10-2008, 03:17 PM
But, a congressman, just the same. YOU don't get to decide which congress member receives honors and which doesn't. What if I decided that I wasn't going to lower the flag after William Jefferson's death? Or, Mary Landrieu? They're both garbage. What about Robert Byrd? Ted Kennedy sure as hell doesn't deserve to recieve honors, but...

They're not my favorites either, in fact I didn't even know who Landrieu was until just now but anyway this is Helms and the way I see it there is no honor is racism or bigotry unless you happen to be a Nazi.

NIOSA
07-10-2008, 03:18 PM
I wonder if some of you that dishonor Sen Helms will feel the same way when Robert KKK Byrd dies?

micfranklin
07-10-2008, 03:45 PM
Maybe I will, maybe I won't. Depends.

ECW
07-10-2008, 05:23 PM
If Byrd had been an unrepentant racist until the day he died, I would do the same thing the guy in NC did. Byrd disavows that past. He doesn't act on it nor does he promote it the way that Helms did. Show me a racist ad that Senator Byrd has run. You can't because there aren't any because Byrd changed his tune. So did Strom Thurmond. So did George Wallace.

Jesse Helms did not. Senator or not, he is not worthy of the honor.

AlanC
07-10-2008, 05:42 PM
Nobody is ever quite dead enough for some of you, are they? For ideological reasons you must extract every last measure of insult and punishment you can or you are not satisfied.

I admire little or nothing about Jimmy Carter. I believe him to the most incompetent man to have ever been president of these United States. In addition, I think in his own bitterness at being rejected from office, he has done great dis-service to this country since he has left office. A dis-service that is not negated by the social good he has accomplished.

But, I will never use that dislike to refuse the man the honor or the recognition he deserves at the time of his death. I would never heap bile and loathing upon his grave and his memory, nor will I object to the fact that flags will be lowered and the time honored traditions of giving praise to the departed for those thiings they did accomplish.

I may not attend them myself, but I will never make statements condemning the man once he has left this life. At that point all condemnation passes to a much wiser being than myself and it is no longer my place to judge him.

Jesse Helms was a man of convictions. You and I may not like his convictions, but he had them and he lived by them. There was never any doubt as to what those convictions were and there was never any equivocation about them.

I may not like those of similar convictions, but I wish every politician was as open about what they believed and where they stood. It would make voting easier and living with our votes far more pleasant than it is now where the only thing you know about anyone's true convicitons is that they are lying about them.

heyjude
07-10-2008, 05:44 PM
I agree with the guy's feelings about Helms, but it wasn't his right to refuse. In every job I ever worked, I had to do what I was told. If you can't do it, you quit. Fine. But the dude did not own the flag, or the building. The people in the state did, and I haven't heard any outburst against honoring Helms from them.

ECW
07-10-2008, 05:55 PM
Honor is earned, not awarded. Helms did not warrant the honor he is given no more than Stalin deserves honoring. He certainly never changed his position and you knew where he stood every step of the way. Same with all the others I mentioned.

Hating a group of people by virtue of their skin color is no longer an admirable trait in this country. Honoring same goes against everything we claim to stand for. L.F. Eason stood up for that concept and paid the price. He's worth 100 times more respect than Jesse Helms.

AlanC
07-10-2008, 06:18 PM
Honor is earned, not awarded. Helms did not warrant the honor he is given no more than Stalin deserves honoring. He certainly never changed his position and you knew where he stood every step of the way. Same with all the others I mentioned.

Hating a group of people by virtue of their skin color is no longer an admirable trait in this country. Honoring same goes against everything we claim to stand for. L.F. Eason stood up for that concept and paid the price. He's worth 100 times more respect than Jesse Helms.

The only thing LF Eason stood up for was his percieved right to exert his personal feelings over his job responsibilities as defined by those he worked for. That attitude seldom finds a good end.

Would you admire him if you didn't agree with him? What if he had resigned because he had lowered the flag when he had been told not to? Would you still find him honorable and worthy? Or would he now be just racist scum in your eyes, the same as Helms?

suedanim
07-10-2008, 06:40 PM
The only thing LF Eason stood up for was his percieved right to exert his personal feelings over his job responsibilities as defined by those he worked for. That attitude seldom finds a good end.

Would you admire him if you didn't agree with him? What if he had resigned because he had lowered the flag when he had been told not to? Would you still find him honorable and worthy? Or would he now be just racist scum in your eyes, the same as Helms?

About Byrd, Thurmond or any other former racist I cut some breaks IF they have made a turnaround, reversed idealogy and worked to repair damage done. In their day, one could not THINK of even serving as dog catcher without the KKK putting them there. Not right... fucked up really.

But Helms... a whole 'nother animal. He made his life's work to oppress blacks and gays. I know this guy. And he made it his lifes work as the KKK dwindled in power, as the civil rights laws were enacted, as black children were finally able to get an equal education. He carried HIS hate to his grave, no apologies, nothing. and his CONSTIUENTS were at least 22-30% black.

I guess none of you know anything about the horrific conditions of most black segregated schools back in the day or the lack of medical care, food and decent housing available to them, not to mention jobs and the goddamn VOTE. Helms would have denied them that if he could have. Helms would not have allowed them to eat in a diner beside me or you, have access to cold water from a water fountain or even to watch a movie except up in a cold in winter, hot in summer dirty balcony in bad repair.

You people have no idea how awful it was in the segregated South, the Jim Crow South. I do. And so did this man... He came up during the same years. Helms has an extremely bad reputation with at LEAST 1/3 of all NCers and many more besides. He was NOT a beloved stateman except for the widespread white racists across this country.

AlanC
07-10-2008, 07:00 PM
I guess none of you know anything about the horrific conditions of most black segregated schools back in the day or the lack of medical care, food and decent housing available to them, not to mention jobs and the goddamn VOTE. Helms would have denied them that if he could have. Helms would not have allowed them to eat in a diner beside me or you, have access to cold water from a water fountain or even to watch a movie except up in a cold in winter, hot in summer dirty balcony in bad repair.



And yet, Helms hired James Meredith for his staff. You remember, Meredith, the first black student to be admitted to the University of Mississippi?

He worked for Helms from 1989 to 1991.

Link. (http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0930434.html)

It would seem that at least some of your assumptions about what Helms "would have done" are not accurate.

NIOSA
07-10-2008, 07:11 PM
And yet, Helms hired James Meredith for his staff. You remember, Meredith, the first black student to be admitted to the University of Mississippi?

He worked for Helms from 1989 to 1991.

Link. (http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0930434.html)

It would seem that at least some of your assumptions about what Helms "would have done" are not accurate.
Thank you.

heyjude
07-10-2008, 07:12 PM
Sue, you forgot one of the most important ones. The blacks in the south could not use public restrooms. Unless they were designated 'colored.' And very few were.

micfranklin
07-10-2008, 07:19 PM
There is no honor in bigotry or racism. Period.

NIOSA
07-10-2008, 07:21 PM
There is no honor in bigotry or racism. Period.

That's why i was surprised to find that Obama had attended a racist church for 20+ years.

suedanim
07-10-2008, 07:54 PM
And yet, Helms hired James Meredith for his staff. You remember, Meredith, the first black student to be admitted to the University of Mississippi?

He worked for Helms from 1989 to 1991.

Link. (http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0930434.html)

It would seem that at least some of your assumptions about what Helms "would have done" are not accurate.

He opposed civil rights laws. THAT is a fact. Look it up.

Meredith? hmmm, where are his kudos, his eulogy for Helms?

He was an active Republican (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republican_Party_%28United_States%29) and served for several years as a domestic advisor on the staff of United States Senator (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate) Jesse Helms (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesse_Helms). Faced with harsh criticism from the Civil Rights community, Meredith said that he wrote every member of the Senate and House offering his services to them in order to gain access to the Library of Congress (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Library_of_Congress), and that only Helms replied.

wiki.. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Meredith)

I mean... did I miss black conservatives eulogizing the loss of Helms from their midst?

Buck Laser
07-10-2008, 07:55 PM
I wonder if some of you that dishonor Sen Helms will feel the same way when Robert KKK Byrd dies?
You know that "KKK" Byrd shit is old, don't you? I thought you could do better. Byrd could be criticized for the amount of pork he's brought to WV, but the Klan thing is just plain nasty, and you know it. I think you did it to be nasty.

I haven't come down on Helms, though I did remark on the racist campaign he ran in 1990. Byrd's romance with the Klan was sometime in the 1940s, when he was a very young man. I don't s'pose that would matter to you, though.

suedanim
07-10-2008, 07:56 PM
That's why i was surprised to find that Obama had attended a racist church for 20+ years.

PROVE its a racist church. You can't. You people can't even prove the Rev. Jeremiah Wright is a racist!

:unreal:

micfranklin
07-10-2008, 08:07 PM
That's why i was surprised to find that Obama had attended a racist church for 20+ years.

Please, that church is in no way racist. You want real racism from other religious figures, try Louis Farrakhan or Fred Phelps.