REV. JACKSON TRASH TALKS OBAMA

[ptif219]

I guess Jackson isn't as proud of Obama as he seems.



http://drudgereport.com/flashjj.htm


SHOCK: REV. JESSE JACKSON SLAMS OBAMA, WANTS TO 'CUT HIS N**S OUT'... APOLOGIZES FOR 'CRUDE AND HURTFUL COMMENTS' CAUGHT ON TAPE... FOXNEWS WILL PLAY JACKSON TAPE IN ITS ENTIRETY TONIGHT ON 'O'REILLY' 8 PM ET/5 PM PT... DEVELOPING...

Jackson Statement: For any harm or hurt that this hot mic private conversation may have caused, I apologize. My support for Senator Obama_s campaign is wide, deep and unequivocal. I cherish this redemptive and historical moment.

_My appeal was for the moral content of his message to not only deal with the personal and moral responsibility of black males, but to deal with the collective moral responsibility of government and the public policy which would be a corrective action for the lack of good choices that often led to their irresponsibility

[IndieVisible]

Caught with foot in mouth Jackson *again*?

Hymie times he gonna do this? :ecstatic:

[NIOSA]

I guess Jackson isn't as proud of Obama as he seems.



http://drudgereport.com/flashjj.htm


SHOCK: REV. JESSE JACKSON SLAMS OBAMA, WANTS TO 'CUT HIS N**S OUT'... APOLOGIZES FOR 'CRUDE AND HURTFUL COMMENTS' CAUGHT ON TAPE... FOXNEWS WILL PLAY JACKSON TAPE IN ITS ENTIRETY TONIGHT ON 'O'REILLY' 8 PM ET/5 PM PT... DEVELOPING...

Jackson Statement: For any harm or hurt that this hot mic private conversation may have caused, I apologize. My support for Senator Obama_s campaign is wide, deep and unequivocal. I cherish this redemptive and historical moment.

_My appeal was for the moral content of his message to not only deal with the personal and moral responsibility of black males, but to deal with the collective moral responsibility of government and the public policy which would be a corrective action for the lack of good choices that often led to their irresponsibility


I heard Jackson in a phone interview on CNN, he was about to blubber all over hisself. :ecstatic:

[DamnYankee]

Should have kept his pie hole shut.

[ptif219]

In Jacksons defense :help: He did not know the mike was on.

Here is my question if Jackson secretly has a problem with Obama how many other Blacks also do.

[IndieVisible]

There is no perfect candidate. Obama just happens to be the best we have.

OBAMA 2008

[Osborn F. Enready]

If you consider the "best we have" being a march to Communism....

[Elrathin]

Whats funny is that conservatives and Obama haters take Jackson seriously only when he bad mouths Obama. Now that is hilarious.

[preservanation]

There is no perfect candidate. Obama just happens to be the best we have.

OBAMA 2008
Sucks don't it.
Too bad Howard Dean didn't have better pipes....
You guys could be running the show right now.

Welcome from preserva and all the others here.
~p
:)

[NIOSA]

Should have kept his pie hole shut.

Bite your tongue!!! Let the man speak....often & loud. :madlaugh:

[ptif219]

There is no perfect candidate. Obama just happens to be the best we have.

OBAMA 2008

Stop joking thats funny. :madlaugh:

[Elrathin]

If you consider the "best we have" being a march to Communism....


Really so OBama is saying EVERY BUSINESS in America is state owned?

Again, save me the melodramatics, we get enough of that from conservatives for McCain. I didn't expect you to submit to the drama of exaggeration.

[NIOSA]

In Jacksons defense :help: He did not know the mike was on.

Here is my question if Jackson secretly has a problem with Obama how many other Blacks also do.

"Character is doing the right thing when nobodys looking"

[ptif219]

Whats funny is that conservatives and Obama haters take Jackson seriously only when he bad mouths Obama. Now that is hilarious.

No he is just another liberal racist.But this shows the Dems are still split and not happy with Obama.

[IndieVisible]

No he is just another liberal racist.But this shows the Dems are still split and not happy with Obama.

And we know how united the republicans are around McCain :lmao:

[Elrathin]

No he is just another liberal racist.But this shows the Dems are still split and not happy with Obama.

Really and all Republicans are rallying behind McCain? :madlaugh:
BTW you have yet to show what racist comment Obama has said Liar.

[Osborn F. Enready]

Elrathin said:
Really so OBama is saying EVERY BUSINESS in America is state owned?

Who said that?

Even one is a march in the wrong direction, and theft of private property by the state.

Elrathin said:
Again, save me the melodramatics, we get enough of that from conservatives for McCain. I didn't expect you to submit to the drama of exaggeration.

He votes consistently against the 2nd Amendment right to own arms....
He votes in support of UN wealth redistribution in foreign aid.....
He flip flops on his wiretapping stance....
He wants to "nationalize" healthcare.......
He is open border advocate, when you read between the BS differing quotes hes made....


He is a total CFR puppet El.....

[Buck Laser]

I don't believe it if it comes from Drudge without further verification. Considering the political views of the people I see jumping on this bandwagon, I'd be willing to bet a perty that they got it wrong. Just call it this hunch I have...:ponder:

[Osborn F. Enready]

Obama and McCain are equals in level of corruption, treason to individual rights, authoritarian agenda....just slightly different spins on the same evil....

[Elrathin]

Who said that?

Even one is a march in the wrong direction, and theft of private property by the state.

So you claim he is communist yet he doesn't adhere to communist traits as a whole.

It's funny conservatives throw out terms such as communist, socialistic, and traitorous.

Tell me what candidate are you voting for that is going to get rid of Social Security and Welfare (All socialist programs)? So does that mean the candidate you are voting for is a socialist?

Gimme a break you like to throw out terms such as traitor, socialist, communist, when I don't think you realize that ALL politicians (even the ones YOU are voting for) are not getting rid of those type of programs.

Tell me what candidate is going to get rid of all socialist, communistic, and traitorous programs (As you call them)?

[Buck Laser]

Obama and McCain are equals in level of corruption, treason to individual rights, authoritarian agenda....just slightly different spins on the same evil....

Lessee, now, how many times have you said that or a variation of it? I think it's time for you to learn a new song.

[DamnYankee]

Bite your tongue!!! Let the man speak....often & loud. :madlaugh:

My bad. :embarrased:

[IndieVisible]

So you claim he is communist yet he doesn't adhere to communist traits as a whole.

It's funny conservatives throw out terms such as communist, socialistic, and traitorous.

Tell me what candidate are you voting for that is going to get rid of Social Security and Welfare (All socialist programs)? So does that mean the candidate you are voting for is a socialist?

Gimme a break you like to throw out terms such as traitor, socialist, communist, when I don't think you realize that ALL politicians (even the ones YOU are voting for) are not getting rid of those type of programs.

Tell me what candidate is going to get rid of all socialist, communistic, and traitorous programs (As you call them)?

yea but it sounds so cool to throw out those labels when ever you can. One of my favorites is ziocon fascist. Don't it sound cool? :lmao:

[ptif219]

And we know how united the republicans are around McCain :lmao:

I am not a republican I am a christian conservative.Look at my sig and see who I support.

[NIOSA]

There is no perfect candidate. Obama just happens to be the best we have.

OBAMA 2008

"We" being.... ?

[NIOSA]

Whats funny is that conservatives and Obama haters take Jackson seriously only when he bad mouths Obama. Now that is hilarious.

I don't think anybody ever takes Jackson seriously...unless of course he is administering "spiritual guidance" to an adulterous POTUS. LOL

[IndieVisible]

"We" being.... ?

Three guess,

1. USA
2. Russia
3. USA

[NIOSA]

Really so OBama is saying EVERY BUSINESS in America is state owned?

Again, save me the melodramatics, we get enough of that from conservatives for McCain. I didn't expect you to submit to the drama of exaggeration.

I don't think he's saying it "is owned", i think he's saying "it will be owned by the state". He definitely believes it should be owned by the state.

[NIOSA]

And we know how united the republicans are around McCain :lmao:

I think that goes more to republiacns not walking in lock step.

[ptif219]

Really and all Republicans are rallying behind McCain? :madlaugh:
BTW you have yet to show what racist comment Obama has said Liar.

You are influenced by the company you keep.


http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080629020919AAHEWEU


http://www.hawksquawk.net/forums/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=297810


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tl22ZUVdz9A

[Elrathin]

I don't think he's saying it "is owned", i think he's saying "it will be owned by the state". He definitely believes it should be owned by the state.

Really, can you show where Obama is saying ALL businesses are sate owned or will be state owned? God you guys with your exaggerations and non truths are getting pathetic.

[NIOSA]

Three guess,

1. USA
2. Russia
3. USA

I don't like to guess, I'd rather have you tell me.

[micfranklin]

Ah, don't anyone sweat it, no one takes Jackson seriously, especially when he doesn't do a whole lot now himself.

[preservanation]

Who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men. ...The Shadow Knows!

When the lib's masks fall off, then we get a glimpse.
It's all a sham.
You people have been schnookered in the past and are all about to be again.

[Elrathin]

Who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men. ...The Shadow Knows!

When the lib's masks fall off, then we get a glimpse.
It's all a sham.
You people have been schnookered in the past and are all about to be again.

Wow more erroneous rhetoric from Pres. Who's surprised? I'm not. When you come up with some solid proof, let us know Pres lol.

[preservanation]

I am an observer of political ideologies.
The left in this nation s trying to fool the electorate that their candidate is somehow a centrist.
That is a mask which Obama's puppet masters have adorned him with for the time being to serve political expediancy.
Who knows what this neophyte cameleon really believes...He'll probably be told later.
Obama is being used just a much as the Dems are.

[Elrathin]

I am an observer of political ideologies.


So that makes you a Bullshit Artist?

AGain you are all over the board, you have called Obama a Fascist, Socialist, Communist, Marxist, you gotta make up your mind Bro.

You still have not denied that you yourself are a supporter of Socialism since you always vote for the candidate that will not get rid of socialist programs.

[ptif219]

Wow more erroneous rhetoric from Pres. Who's surprised? I'm not. When you come up with some solid proof, let us know Pres lol.

Funny how important Jackson was In 2000 down here in Florida now he doesn't matter.Will you liberals throw him under the bus like you did to Lieberman

[Elrathin]

Funny how important Jackson was In 2000 down here in Florida now he doesn't matter.Will you liberals throw him under the bus like you did to Lieberman

I have ALWAYS taken what Sharpton and JAckson have said with a grain of salt. And so does the right until one of them says something bad about the left and then some righties take what they have to say as gospel lol.

[preservanation]

AGain you are all over the board, you have called Obama a Fascist, Socialist, Communist, Marxist, you gotta make up your mind Bro.If I left something out...please fill me in.
They're all where his puppet masters are.
Obama is a puppet.
He'll succumb to anything his handlers want him to be.
The man is Gumby.

[IndieVisible]

Funny how important Jackson was In 2000 down here in Florida now he doesn't matter.Will you liberals throw him under the bus like you did to Lieberman

LIEberman? Israel's official mouth piece? By the sound of him, he has already been run over by a bus!

Jackson I can forgive. LIEberman, throw him under again just for the hell of it!

[ptif219]

LIEberman? Israel's official mouth piece? By the sound of him, he has already been run over by a bus!

Jackson I can forgive. LIEberman, throw him under again just for the hell of it!

Nice way to talk about your former Vice President nominee

[NIOSA]

Really, can you show where Obama is saying ALL businesses are sate owned or will be state owned? God you guys with your exaggerations and non truths are getting pathetic.

What's pathetic are people that will latch onto a candidate that they know little to nothing about.
All you need do is remember Obamas "windfall profit tax" to know that he agrees with Hillary, "We will take the oil companies"....

[NIOSA]

So that makes you a Bullshit Artist?

AGain you are all over the board, you have called Obama a Fascist, Socialist, Communist, Marxist, you gotta make up your mind Bro.

You still have not denied that you yourself are a supporter of Socialism since you always vote for the candidate that will not get rid of socialist programs.

There's no doubt that Obama is a socialist progressive, none at all.
I really do hope that you research your candidate a bit before you foist him on the rest of us.

[NIOSA]

I have ALWAYS taken what Sharpton and JAckson have said with a grain of salt. And so does the right until one of them says something bad about the left and then some righties take what they have to say as gospel lol.

"rev Jackson", "rev sharpton", hmmm, it seems that they believe everything they say is "gospel" LOL

[Elrathin]

There's no doubt that Obama is a socialist progressive, none at all.
I really do hope that you research your candidate a bit before you foist him on the rest of us.

So are you voting for a Candidate that is getting rid of Welfare and Social Security? If not, you are a supporter of Socialism :)

[Elrathin]

"rev Jackson", "rev sharpton", hmmm, it seems that they believe everything they say is "gospel" LOL

Oh I have no doubt, what THEY believe THEY think is gospel, but it is funny that the right only believes them when they have something bad to say about the left :)

[NIOSA]

LIEberman? Israel's official mouth piece? By the sound of him, he has already been run over by a bus!

Jackson I can forgive. LIEberman, throw him under again just for the hell of it!

He was like gawd to liberals when Al Gore picked him for VP. Lieberman was a Jew & supported Israel then too. So what's the difference now? that he actually chose his own candidate?
As for throwing somebody under a bus, the dems did that to Lieberman in his last senate election, but Joe won anyway. LMAO

[Elrathin]

As for throwing somebody under a bus, the dems did that to Lieberman in his last senate election, but Joe won anyway. LMAO

Sorry but the ultimate reward for throwing a candidate under the bus has to go to the Republicans for what they did with Ron Paul.

[preservanation]

What's pathetic are people that will latch onto a candidate that they know little to nothing about.
All you need do is remember Obamas "windfall profit tax" to know that he agrees with Hillary, "We will take the oil companies"....
What really should scare people is the doubling of the capital gains tax Obama is proposing...not only will it kill your income on your 401K, IRA any other retirement fund but it will act as a disincentive to investment in the future.
Not good.
Those who plan to retire soon (or ever) better be very afraid of this.

This punishes people who have been putting their money away and foregoing immediate gratification in order to be able to take care of their families and selves when they no longer can work.
Nice!

I hope my investment gains can go to those who haven't sacrificed or planned for themselves so they can watch Bill Maher on their new effin HD flat screen TV.

[NIOSA]

So are you voting for a Candidate that is getting rid of Welfare and Social Security? If not, you are a supporter of Socialism :)

I am not voting for McCain nor Obama.

[NIOSA]

Oh I have no doubt, what THEY believe THEY think is gospel, but it is funny that the right only believes them when they have something bad to say about the left :)

LOL, I wouldn't believe them if they told me that the sun is hot.

[NIOSA]

Sorry but the ultimate reward for throwing a candidate under the bus has to go to the Republicans for what they did with Ron Paul.

Did you miss what the DNC did to Hillary?

[NIOSA]

What really should scare people is the doubling of the capital gains tax Obama is proposing...not only will it kill your income on your 401K, IRA any other retirement fund but it will act as a disincentive to investment in the future.
Not good.
Those who plan to retire soon (or ever) better be very afraid of this.

This punishes people who have been putting their money away and foregoing immediate gratification in order to be able to take care of their families and selves when they no longer can work.
Nice!

I hope my investment gains can go to those who haven't sacrificed or planned for themselves so they can watch Bill Maher on their new effin HD flat screen TV.

you're whistlin past the graveyard darlin, it's the Obama supporters that need to heed what you're saying. Intelligent people already know. ;)

[lily]

Did you miss what the DNC did to Hillary?

I missed it......what did they do?

[IndieVisible]

He was like gawd to liberals when Al Gore picked him for VP. Lieberman was a Jew & supported Israel then too. So what's the difference now? that he actually chose his own candidate?
As for throwing somebody under a bus, the dems did that to Lieberman in his last senate election, but Joe won anyway. LMAO

You assume i am a liberal or I care what liberals think and that i liked gore and LIEberman. Wrong on all accounts.

I show no party loyalty. I do lean mostly to the left on social issues, but also hold some conservative values too. This election I am going for Obama simply because I can not stand any of the other candidates.

Please in the future instead of ASSuming, ask first to save yourself some embarrassment.

REPEAT: I never liked Gore or LIEberman. I am totally independent of party loyalty, always have been.

sorry if i sound harsh but you might as well have called my mother a name suggesting I ever liked LIEberman :sadly:

[Elrathin]

I am not voting for McCain nor Obama.

That wasn't the question was it. Which candidate are you voting for that is going to get rid of Social Security and Welfare. Which candidate is promising to do that?

[Elrathin]

Did you miss what the DNC did to Hillary?

The DNC did nothing. Obama won it and Hillary conceded.

[ptif219]

There's no doubt that Obama is a socialist progressive, none at all.
I really do hope that you research your candidate a bit before you foist him on the rest of us.

You mean a far left wing liberal

[ptif219]

You assume i am a liberal or I care what liberals think and that i liked gore and LIEberman. Wrong on all accounts.

I show no party loyalty. I do lean mostly to the left on social issues, but also hold some conservative values too. This election I am going for Obama simply because I can not stand any of the other candidates.

Please in the future instead of ASSuming, ask first to save yourself some embarrassment.

REPEAT: I never liked Gore or LIEberman. I am totally independent of party loyalty, always have been.

sorry if i sound harsh but you might as well have called my mother a name suggesting I ever liked LIEberman :sadly:

Your not liberal but voting for Obama? :madlaugh:

[IndieVisible]

Your not liberal but voting for Obama? :madlaugh:

Why is it some people have trouble following a thread. You would think after all the forums I visit I would be use to this. But it never ceases to amaze me every time it happens.

Yes my friend. Some of us are NOT party loyalists. We are independent. Yet I do find I lean towards the left more for social issues but still hold some conservative values.

[NIOSA]

I missed it......what did they do?

Come on now, you have to know that the superdelegates were bought & paid for, that she was being nudged on a daily basis to give it up as early as right after Iowa. Then too there was the media beating her over the head. Pelosi making braod hints. Hillary was railroaded, noit that i think any better of her policies than i di Obamas, but she at least has some experience.

[ptif219]

Why is it some people have trouble following a thread. You would think after all the forums I visit I would be use to this. But it never ceases to amaze me every time it happens.

Yes my friend. Some of us are NOT party loyalists. We are independent. Yet I do find I lean towards the left more for social issues but still hold some conservative values.

I refuse to vote the lesser of two evils anymore.

Look at my sig and that is who I will vote for.

[NIOSA]

You assume i am a liberal or I care what liberals think and that i liked gore and LIEberman. Wrong on all accounts.

I show no party loyalty. I do lean mostly to the left on social issues, but also hold some conservative values too. This election I am going for Obama simply because I can not stand any of the other candidates.

Please in the future instead of ASSuming, ask first to save yourself some embarrassment.

REPEAT: I never liked Gore or LIEberman. I am totally independent of party loyalty, always have been.

sorry if i sound harsh but you might as well have called my mother a name suggesting I ever liked LIEberman :sadly:

Did I say you were a liberal? Did i even say that you are a Dem? I can't find that anyplace in my post....speaking of "ASSUMING". Maybe you could save yourself the embarrassment from now on, just sayin....:rolleyes:

[NIOSA]

That wasn't the question was it. Which candidate are you voting for that is going to get rid of Social Security and Welfare. Which candidate is promising to do that?

Why should I tell you who I'm voting for? That's more information than I care to share with you at this point.

[NIOSA]

The DNC did nothing. Obama won it and Hillary conceded.

Hillary still has not conceded, she has suspended. If you don't know that, then I shouldn't expect you to know what the DNC did.

[Elrathin]

Why should I tell you who I'm voting for? That's more information than I care to share with you at this point.

Because there is NO candidate that is getting rid of Social Security and Welfare, so no matter who you vote for they are Socialist supporters lol.

[NIOSA]

Because there is NO candidate that is getting rid of Social Security and Welfare, so no matter who you vote for they are Socialist supporters lol.

& what about a write in candidate? That's the beauty of voting, I can & will do a write in for POTUS. It might be Seinfeld.

[IndieVisible]

Did I say you were a liberal? Did i even say that you are a Dem? I can't find that anyplace in my post....speaking of "ASSUMING". Maybe you could save yourself the embarrassment from now on, just sayin....:rolleyes:


See your post, #48

You replied to me with my quote,

Originally Posted by IndieVisible View Post
LIEberman? Israel's official mouth piece? By the sound of him, he has already been run over by a bus!

Jackson I can forgive. LIEberman, throw him under again just for the hell of it!

followed by this from you in same post...

"He was like gawd to liberals when Al Gore picked him for VP. Lieberman was a Jew & supported Israel then too. So what's the difference now? that he actually chose his own candidate?
As for throwing somebody under a bus, the dems did that to Lieberman in his last senate election, but Joe won anyway. LMAO"

Why would you be saying that to me with the quote from what i said?

Why ask me

"So what's the difference now?"

how am I suppose to know? Am I a liberal? Did I ever like him? You seemed to think so.

[NIOSA]

See your post, #48

You replied to me with my quote,

Originally Posted by IndieVisible View Post
LIEberman? Israel's official mouth piece? By the sound of him, he has already been run over by a bus!

Jackson I can forgive. LIEberman, throw him under again just for the hell of it!

followed by this from you in same post...

"He was like gawd to liberals when Al Gore picked him for VP. Lieberman was a Jew & supported Israel then too. So what's the difference now? that he actually chose his own candidate?
As for throwing somebody under a bus, the dems did that to Lieberman in his last senate election, but Joe won anyway. LMAO"

Why would you be saying that to me with the quote from what i said?

Why ask me

"So what's the difference now?"

how am I suppose to know? Am I a liberal? Did I ever like him? You seemed to think so.

"to liberals" i did not say he was like a gawd to you.
What does "what's the difference now" have to do with your accusation that I 'accused" you of being a liberal?
Jeez, assume much?

[Elrathin]

& what about a write in candidate? That's the beauty of voting, I can & will do a write in for POTUS. It might be Seinfeld.

Tell me what write in candidate that you are voting for that is wanting to get rid of Social Security and Welfare?

[IndieVisible]

"to liberals" i did not say he was like a gawd to you.
What does "what's the difference now" have to do with your accusation that I 'accused" you of being a liberal?
Jeez, assume much?

Well thats how it looked like to me, I will give u benefit of doubt if I misunderstood your post whiched seemed like you were posing question to me. Sorry if you were not, but with direct reply to my post with quote that is why I thought so.

[NIOSA]

Tell me what write in candidate that you are voting for that is wanting to get rid of Social Security and Welfare?

Just another way of you asking me to tell you who I'm voting for. Could we get a bit better acquainted before I tell you my secrets, supply you with a DNA sample? :D
Honestly, my vote will probably not be for any recognized name. I am really dissillusioned with the choices we have, they have gone from bad to worse.
My original candidate was Fred Thompson, but Fred, I think, thought the candidacy would be handed to him & he did squat to get it, plus he waited too long, again because I think he thought it would be his for the taking.
In all honesty I know that nobody will touch the "holy grail" known as Social Security, or welfare, for that matter.
Anyway, I have an abundence of names to choose from for my write in vote, over a million eligible, I believe.

[Elrathin]

Just another way of you asking me to tell you who I'm voting for. Could we get a bit better acquainted before I tell you my secrets, supply you with a DNA sample? :D
Honestly, my vote will probably not be for any recognized name. I am really dissillusioned with the choices we have, they have gone from bad to worse.
My original candidate was Fred Thompson, but Fred, I think, thought the candidacy would be handed to him & he did squat to get it, plus he waited too long, again because I think he thought it would be his for the taking.
In all honesty I know that nobody will touch the "holy grail" known as Social Security, or welfare, for that matter.
Anyway, I have an abundence of names to choose from for my write in vote, over a million eligible, I believe.

Well Fred Thompson wasn't going to get rid of Social Security or Welfare either.

So what I get from you is there is no candidate you are going to be voting for (either write in or on the ballot) that is against those two. So no matter who you are voting for they are for Socialistic programs. Thank you for playing,.

[NIOSA]

Well thats how it looked like to me, I will give u benefit of doubt if I misunderstood your post whiched seemed like you were posing question to me. Sorry if you were not, but with direct reply to my post with quote that is why I thought so.

Sorry if I wasn't clear. :embarrased:

[NIOSA]

Well Fred Thompson wasn't going to get rid of Social Security or Welfare either.

So what I get from you is there is no candidate you are going to be voting for (either write in or on the ballot) that is against those two. So no matter who you are voting for they are for Socialistic programs. Thank you for playing,.

Hey, I said "in all honesty, i know that nobody is going to touch the "holy grail" of Social Security, oor welfare, for that matter" Did you miss that?

[Elrathin]

Hey, I said "in all honesty, i know that nobody is going to touch the "holy grail" of Social Security, oor welfare, for that matter" Did you miss that?

Then please don't say that Obama is some sort of Socialist when the Right side of the isle is also supportive of the Socialistic programs.

[IndieVisible]

Sorry if I wasn't clear. :embarrased:

No problem, prolly my fault! Every one so polite here I am not use to it. I am use to much worse treatment so this is all new to me, I like it but have to adjust from what i am use to, constant insults, attacks, need tough skin on russian forum lol. I am minority there because I am pro west, most are anti-american so I get jumped a lot! So different here!

[NIOSA]

Then please don't say that Obama is some sort of Socialist when the Right side of the isle is also supportive of the Socialistic programs.

He is a socialist & just because there are socialists (in your opinion) on the right has nothing to do with Obama not being a socialist!

Dems ruled for 40 years & it was during those years that socialism came to what it is today in the US. Ever hear of "the war on poverty?, know what that is?

[NIOSA]

No problem, prolly my fault! Every one so polite here I am not use to it. I am use to much worse treatment so this is all new to me, I like it but have to adjust from what i am use to, constant insults, attacks, need tough skin on russian forum lol. I am minority there because I am pro west, most are anti-american so I get jumped a lot! So different here!

I came here from a place like that & the worst part about it is, after awhile i found myself being just as bad. i don't like it. Anyway, you're right, this is a nice site. :)

[IndieVisible]

Obama is not a socialist. Trust me there are no socialists in the Dem or Liberal party here. Sure they are in that direction, but no where near real socialism. I been debating this with anglos, slavs, communists, facists, nazis, you name it! Obama is more like a Republican then a Socialist in the real world :)

[Elrathin]

He is a socialist & just because there are socialists (in your opinion) on the right has nothing to do with Obama not being a socialist!

Dems ruled for 40 years & it was during those years that socialism came to what it is today in the US. Ever hear of "the war on poverty?, know what that is?

And in the 6 years that Republicans had control not a thing was done with welfare or social security.

Glad you are supportive of your right side that is for this.

[Elrathin]

Obama is not a socialist. Trust me there are no socialists in the Dem or Liberal party here. Sure they are in that direction, but no where near real socialism. I been debating this with anglos, slavs, communists, facists, nazis, you name it! Obama is more like a Republican then a Socialist in the real world :)

Well I disagree with you that OBama is more like a Republican, but I thank you in not putting forth the supreme labels of socialist, etc on him.

Frankly I have yet to see a true socialist, fascist, communist, etc candidate.

Sure some have certain talking points in their programs that lean towards that, but none of them fit that extreme catafory.

I disagree with you on a lot of things, but again thanks for not falling to those generalizations.

The simple fact is yes, some programs that people support do lean towards commnism, fascism, socialist, etc. But nobody is fully in that catagory.

[NIOSA]

And in the 6 years that Republicans had control not a thing was done with welfare or social security.

Glad you are supportive of your right side that is for this.

There was welfare reform, it didn't go far enough, but it was something. (BTW-The repubs were in control for 10 years, I believe.
Bush wanted to privatise SS, but the dems stopped that. The dems are the ones (LBJ) that put SS in the general fund to start with. Neither side of the aisle goes far enough to curtail spending on anything.

[NIOSA]

Obama is not a socialist. Trust me there are no socialists in the Dem or Liberal party here. Sure they are in that direction, but no where near real socialism. I been debating this with anglos, slavs, communists, facists, nazis, you name it! Obama is more like a Republican then a Socialist in the real world :)

Obama is a socialist as is Hillary. If either of them were to be POTUS they would move us even further into socialism than we are. They would have the EO pen & would use it a lot, IMO.

[NIOSA]

I'm going to bed, it's been fun & it's been real, but not real fun. :)

[IndieVisible]

Obama is a socialist as is Hillary. If either of them were to be POTUS they would move us even further into socialism than we are. They would have the EO pen & would use it a lot, IMO.

I consider Hilary a moderate Democrat, like her husband Bill. The most liberal President in modern history was Jimmy Carter. In fact he is only American president the communists can find any kind words for. Most over in EU and Russia consider Obama the same as McCain and they see very little or no difference, and are convinced both are agents for Israel.

Real socialists from EU and South America do not consider Obama even a little socialist.

let me tell you I studied socialists, and not one American politician exists that can be considered real socialist.

Obama IMHO is not even extreme liberal! I consider him one notch more to the left then Hilary who is moderate.

I suppose I can be considered more liberal then Obama, with some exceptions which I do share some conservative values.

My perfect dream government with be a better balance of socialism and capitalism. I would like to see Obama more left, but he is prolly the furthest we will see here in a long time.

[Elrathin]

There was welfare reform, it didn't go far enough, but it was something. (BTW-The repubs were in control for 10 years, I believe.
Bush wanted to privatise SS, but the dems stopped that. The dems are the ones (LBJ) that put SS in the general fund to start with. Neither side of the aisle goes far enough to curtail spending on anything.

You are saying LBJ started SS. However what Republican government has done anything about it? Oh yeah NONE.

So what you are saying is both sides of the isle have supported Socialistic programs. Thank you for that admission, because it is true.

[ptif219]

Well Fred Thompson wasn't going to get rid of Social Security or Welfare either.

So what I get from you is there is no candidate you are going to be voting for (either write in or on the ballot) that is against those two. So no matter who you are voting for they are for Socialistic programs. Thank you for playing,.

There would be to many Dems in congress to do that anyway.So your broken record makes no sense.

[ptif219]

And in the 6 years that Republicans had control not a thing was done with welfare or social security.

Glad you are supportive of your right side that is for this.

By what margin did they have control?You refuse to show how many more republicans in the senate than dems during this majority.

You know it was not enough of a majority to override the Dems constant filibusters.

[Elrathin]

You know it was not enough of a majority to override the Dems constant filibusters.


Well you think less than 2 years of a Dem Majority (by one person) could override fillabusters.

[ptif219]

Well you think less than 2 years of a Dem Majority (by one person) could override fillabusters.

Show me the majority the Gop had that you claim got nothing done.How big was it?

[BoogyMan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZEsHj66EBY

[IndieVisible]

Don't you all think the media should have a LARGE visual device for politicians that say's...

MIKE IS ON!

So they are constantly reminded?:madlaugh:

[Shoey]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZEsHj66EBY

^ "You can't fix stupid" :madlaugh:

[NIOSA]

You are saying LBJ started SS. However what Republican government has done anything about it? Oh yeah NONE.

So what you are saying is both sides of the isle have supported Socialistic programs. Thank you for that admission, because it is true.

Admission? LOL

[NIOSA]

^ "You can't fix stupid" :madlaugh:

:worship:

[NIOSA]

I consider Hilary a moderate Democrat, like her husband Bill. The most liberal President in modern history was Jimmy Carter. In fact he is only American president the communists can find any kind words for. Most over in EU and Russia consider Obama the same as McCain and they see very little or no difference, and are convinced both are agents for Israel.

Real socialists from EU and South America do not consider Obama even a little socialist.

let me tell you I studied socialists, and not one American politician exists that can be considered real socialist.

Obama IMHO is not even extreme liberal! I consider him one notch more to the left then Hilary who is moderate.

I suppose I can be considered more liberal then Obama, with some exceptions which I do share some conservative values.

My perfect dream government with be a better balance of socialism and capitalism. I would like to see Obama more left, but he is prolly the furthest we will see here in a long time.

Hillarys mentor was Saul Alinsky, that says it all. Clinton was/is nothing except for whatever it took to keep his well rounded arse in his power seat.

[hungarianflower]

ptif219: What the hell was the point of your post?

So Obama pointed out the undisputable fact that Asians are shorter than whites and blacks. And he made comments about race in a book he wrote with a plot that revolves exclusively on the issue of race.

It's so funny how you Obama haters have so little to legitimately criticize him for! It's nice to see the Republicans have to get inventive (creativity has never been their forte) and work a little bit in their smear tactics ... before now, every Democratic candidate had such dirty laundry that the biggest work was deciding which piece of skid-marked underwear to concentrate on!

[IndieVisible]

Hillarys mentor was Saul Alinsky, that says it all. Billzeebubba was/is nothing except for whatever it took to keep his well rounded arse in his power seat.

Alinsky was the subject of Hillary Rodham's senior honors thesis at Wellesley College, "There Is Only The Fight...": An Analysis of the Alinsky Model.[8] Rodham commented on Alinsky's "charm," but noted that “one of the primary problems of the Alinsky model is that the removal of Alinsky dramatically alters its composition." [8] Later, in her 2003 biography, Living History Clinton notes that although she agreed with some of his ideas, "particularly the value of empowering people to help themselves" they had a fundamental disagreement: "He believed you could change the system only from the outside. I didn't." [8] Once Hillary Rodham Clinton became First Lady of the United States, the thesis was suppressed by the White House for fear of being associated too closely with Alinsky's ideas.[9]

source (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saul_Alinsky)

Big deal. She is nothing but a moderate Democrat, an embarrassment to real liberals, and a insult to real socialists.

[IndieVisible]

ptif219: What the hell was the point of your post?

So Obama pointed out the undisputable fact that Asians are shorter than whites and blacks. And he made comments about race in a book he wrote with a plot that revolves exclusively on the issue of race.

It's so funny how you Obama haters have so little to legitimately criticize him for! It's nice to see the Republicans have to get inventive (creativity has never been their forte) and work a little bit in their smear tactics ... before now, every Democratic candidate had such dirty laundry that the biggest work was deciding which piece of skid-marked underwear to concentrate on!

Keep it in perspective, these necons would be attacking whoever the dem nominee would be in the same fierce. I agree it's laughable to watch their feeble attempts at discredting Obama. They really do not have much material to work with, what they do have, most american's don't really care about.

[Osborn F. Enready]

Elrathin said:
So you claim he is communist yet he doesn't adhere to communist traits as a whole.

Exactly, just the authoritarian goaled, theft of property, denial of individual rights aspect of communism.....

When I say that El, I am talking about where the "claimed" reasoning he uses to do it comes from.... the collective above the individual...denial of self...sacrifice for the greater good (which is never defined)

Elrathin said:
It's funny conservatives throw out terms such as communist, socialistic, and traitorous.

Tell me what candidate are you voting for that is going to get rid of Social Security and Welfare (All socialist programs)? So does that mean the candidate you are voting for is a socialist?

Ron Paul was quite outspoken in his views on Social Security, Welfare, etc.

He was MY candidate. Don't forget, I am not Libertarian, just tend to vote that way.

Elrathin said:
Gimme a break you like to throw out terms such as traitor, socialist, communist, when I don't think you realize that ALL politicians (even the ones YOU are voting for) are not getting rid of those type of programs.

I don't understand your logic here Elrathin.....

Since there is no justice to be found, we should forget the fight?

Elrathin said:
Tell me what candidate is going to get rid of all socialist, communistic, and traitorous programs (As you call them)?

Ron Paul had it just about right, with exception to a few of his views such as abortion.

The important thing about Paul... he was approachable with facts, logic..... something that can't be said for agenda driven Obama, Clinton, Edwards, Dodd, McCain, Giuliani, Huckabee, Thompson, Romney etc......

Paul wanted to audit the U.S. Gold reserves....
Paul voted against the Patriot Act and the Iraq War....
Paul has consistently voted down all unconstitutional legislation....
Paul has spoken out of the crime of the Federal Reserve and manipulation of our dollar value.... etc....

Consistently stood up for the rights of all people, regardless of color, sex or sexual orientation.

Even though he wasn't pro-abortion, he was PRO moving that choice to the states where people could at least effect change.....

[BoogyMan]

^ "You can't fix stupid" :madlaugh:

I thought Jackson was going to "fix" him? :evil:

Oh, you meant Jackson himself. LOL

[apdst]

I would give up this week's paycheck to hear the parts that FNC didn't disclose. You know it's gotta be good.

[Truth_and_Power]

Lessee, now, how many times have you said that or a variation of it? I think it's time for you to learn a new song.

So far Obama isn't doing anything to contradict that..

[NIOSA]

I thought Jackson was going to "fix" him? :evil:

Oh, you meant Jackson himself. LOL

LMAO Good one. LOL

[NIOSA]

Alinsky was the subject of Hillary Rodham's senior honors thesis at Wellesley College, "There Is Only The Fight...": An Analysis of the Alinsky Model.[8] Rodham commented on Alinsky's "charm," but noted that “one of the primary problems of the Alinsky model is that the removal of Alinsky dramatically alters its composition." [8] Later, in her 2003 biography, Living History Clinton notes that although she agreed with some of his ideas, "particularly the value of empowering people to help themselves" they had a fundamental disagreement: "He believed you could change the system only from the outside. I didn't." [8] Once Hillary Rodham Clinton became First Lady of the United States, the thesis was suppressed by the White House for fear of being associated too closely with Alinsky's ideas.[9]

source (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saul_Alinsky)

Big deal. She is nothing but a moderate Democrat, an embarrassment to real liberals, and a insult to real socialists.

LOL, there's a lot more to Hillary & Alinsky than her thesis. She was such an astute student of the "Alinsky doctrine" that he wanted her to work for him, she had other plans, but she did/does adhere to "Alinsky socialism".

[heyjude]

I guess Jackson isn't as proud of Obama as he seems.



http://drudgereport.com/flashjj.htm


SHOCK: REV. JESSE JACKSON SLAMS OBAMA, WANTS TO 'CUT HIS N**S OUT'... APOLOGIZES FOR 'CRUDE AND HURTFUL COMMENTS' CAUGHT ON TAPE... FOXNEWS WILL PLAY JACKSON TAPE IN ITS ENTIRETY TONIGHT ON 'O'REILLY' 8 PM ET/5 PM PT... DEVELOPING...

Jackson Statement: For any harm or hurt that this hot mic private conversation may have caused, I apologize. My support for Senator Obama_s campaign is wide, deep and unequivocal. I cherish this redemptive and historical moment.

_My appeal was for the moral content of his message to not only deal with the personal and moral responsibility of black males, but to deal with the collective moral responsibility of government and the public policy which would be a corrective action for the lack of good choices that often led to their irresponsibility

What bothers me about this is that Jackson is upset about Obama suggesting that black men should grow up, man up, and assume responsibility for their actions and their children. It is part of the liberal black mantra that blacks are not responsible for anything they do. It is whiteys fault.

It was the fault of oppression that the blacks got in the state they were in. But no one is keeping them from changing. No one, not one person, is forcing black men to have children and refusing to marry the mothers or taking care of their children. Obama was right to say that, I'll give credit where it is due, and Jackson is part of the culture that excuses blacks having responsiblity.

[4Reaganomics]

Don't believe that Obama is of the Cosby mentality. If you check his voting record and prestigious career as a "community organizer" you'll see that is anything but the truth.

This is an election, he is in it to win it, Jackson must realize that

Obana won't run a campaign like Jessie because it is a formula for a big L come november, and Jessie knows that his rhetoric of black dependence is a failed message in the eyes of the American people.

[heyjude]

I have no delusions about Obama. He made that speech to appease the white voters. He is part of the progressives who believe that the government should take all responsibilities for people's actions and give bunches of money to them to fix it.

I listened to a program on C-SPAN the other night when a man said that we had to vote for Obama so black kids would be saved from the culture they are raised in. That was a reason to vote for someone I had never heard before. Vote for Obama as a social program. Sorry, I'm not willing to sacrifice America for anyone.

[IndieVisible]

He could have appeased whites another way with out dissing blacks. I don't believe this is a political tactic at all. I think he really means it. Remember his black father abandon him and his mother! I think this is real concern for Obama, not a side show.

[ptif219]

ptif219: What the hell was the point of your post?

So Obama pointed out the undisputable fact that Asians are shorter than whites and blacks. And he made comments about race in a book he wrote with a plot that revolves exclusively on the issue of race.

It's so funny how you Obama haters have so little to legitimately criticize him for! It's nice to see the Republicans have to get inventive (creativity has never been their forte) and work a little bit in their smear tactics ... before now, every Democratic candidate had such dirty laundry that the biggest work was deciding which piece of skid-marked underwear to concentrate on!

So now typical white woman is not racist?Why would a politician make jokes about asians?To say anything derogatory about any group when you running for president shows you need help.I am sure the asian countries will look at this as a joke when Obama goes there.:madlaugh:

[brien]

I love it when these types get caught speaking the truth as they see it but would never admit it until they are confronted with the proof.

[hungarianflower]

So now typical white woman is not racist?Why would a politician make jokes about asians?To say anything derogatory about any group when you running for president shows you need help.I am sure the asian countries will look at this as a joke when Obama goes there.:madlaugh:

YOU need help. Since when is being short "derogatory"?

I'm 5"3 and a girl, and when people point out that women are shorter than men I certainly don't consider it "derogatory."

We've all become too PC, you know that? I've always said that, but now that we have a black president we're accusing him of reverse racism. It's the same issue, except we're talking about whites and Asians now instead of blacks and hispanics.

My best friend is a black guy and we call him "Nasty Nigga Nate." And he doesn't mind at all, he thinks it's funny.

[Wndrtch]

My best friend is a black guy and we call him "Nasty Nigga Nate." And he doesn't mind at all, he thinks it's funny.

LOL! I don't think that would fly in Harlem.

It's OK for his possey to call him that, but if I walked up up and called him Nasty Nigga Nate, it wouldn't be 3ms before I had Nasty Nigga Nate's nasty nigga boot up my nasty cracker ass!

[IndieVisible]

..

We've all become too PC, you know that? ..

Ain't it the truth. Some times it's not what you say, but how you say it that really matters. We need to cut ourselves some slack. I can't believe how we put these candidates under microscopes and have all these super high expectations of them. If they want that kind of perfection why not build androids for politicians? LOL

How about we just stick to the real issues???

[NIOSA]

My black neices would cut my **** off if I called them that, they hate the name Nate.

[brien]

Because there is NO candidate that is getting rid of Social Security and Welfare, so no matter who you vote for they are Socialist supporters lol.


Libertarians never have supported getting "rid" of S.S. As usual, people who don't understand the LP go around pretending to know what they are all about in politics & government.

One more time; the L.P. supports privatizing the SS system, as well as most programs that government administers, because private industry always gets the job done better, cheaper, and more thoroughly.

Democrats and Republicans rely upon inefficient government agencies to administer programs that turn out to be cost ineffective, laden with pork, and most often corrupted to the core.

I can't wait for the Democrats to run this country into the ground after Obama is elected because it will finally force the middle class to wake up and realize they are being destroyed and relegated to an underclass of the rich. When the Dems are done, there will be two classes in the US, as in England; the rich and the worker class. Taxes on their wages to the tune of 70% will force the workers to support each other. The worker will provide the bulk of the money for government to work with in society. The workers will be forced to accept everything administered by the government. The rich will simply have the option to walk away and live somewhere else, and they will, rather than pay an inordinate amount of their income to the government for redistruibution. Places like Costa Rica, Dubai, UAE, amoung other countries, will welcome them with open arms. The workers will be left to support each other on taxes paid into the government while wages will barely keep the worker better off than the government supported citizen. I can't wait.

The kind of government the Dems want will eventually collapse into itself, but it will be too late for those who support this type of government today. It reminds me of the old saying:

Be careful what you wish for, because you may just get it!

Me, I will go to Costa Rica, take my wealth with me, and leave this country to collapse from within. These stinkin theives aren't going to tax me into a socialized society where everyone has the same car, the same house, and the same rotten health care. Go over to England, look around at their society, and if you like what you see, then that is what you can expect from the Dems when they change this country.

Hey Jimmy Buffet, move over and start the blender and put up another hammock, I cumin home.

[brien]

Then please don't say that Obama is some sort of Socialist when the Right side of the isle is also supportive of the Socialistic programs.

They are both Socialists. The government needs to privatize these functions. This is the main difference between we Capitalists and you Socialists. We don't deny there needs to be government programs, rather we see it better administered through private enterprise than through inefficient government agencies. The US government today is fast approaching the Socialist model and anyone who doesn't see this is merely blind, stupid, or simply doesn't care.

[4Reaganomics]

I would abolish social security and welfare tomorrow. I don't agree with any candidate on these 2 issues that is running for president. Would you suggest I simply stay at home on election day Elrathin?

I find it my responsibility to take part in what I feel will be the best outcome for my country. The sad thing is that we have come to a point where all of the outcomes are undesirebale.

Voting from the top of the roof may come soon...

[Six]

There is no perfect candidate. Obama just happens to be the best we have.

OBAMA 2008

UHG ! You kidding ?

Going to raise taxes on...

Medicaid
Social Security
Income
and Capitol Gains ( "cuz it's fair "....honestly the guy has not a clue one )

.....add a carbon tax on the individual plus taking away Bush tax cuts. Add to that that he opposes new American oil exploration and has just told the American public that they should conform to the illegal immigrants demands that WE learn spanish. Honestly, if it wasn't for generic ignorance and white liberals on a guilt trip the guy wouldn't have a chance in hell on becoming the next president.

[ptif219]

UHG ! You kidding ?

Going to raise taxes on...

Medicaid
Social Security
Income
and Capitol Gains ( "cuz it's fair "....honestly the guy has not a clue one )

.....add a carbon tax on the individual plus taking away Bush tax cuts. Add to that that he opposes new American oil exploration and has just told the American public that they should conform to the illegal immigrants demands that WE learn spanish. Honestly, if it wasn't for generic ignorance and white liberals on a guilt trip the guy wouldn't have a chance in hell on becoming the next president.

Don't forget giving .7% of the GDP to the UN to feed third world countries.

[4Reaganomics]

That is the best part of it all. After failing the domestic war on poverty for the last 40 years the newly found voice of the Democratic party is taking the war on poverty global.

It should be a real success story.

[Shoey]

Don't forget giving .7% of the GDP to the UN to feed third world countries.


AND Obama will not weaponize space, slow our development of futrure combat systems and not develop new nuclear weapons. Obama, "change" for the worst for America.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dl32Y7wDVDs&feature=related

[preservanation]

I don't believe it if it comes from Drudge without further verification. Considering the political views of the people I see jumping on this bandwagon, I'd be willing to bet a perty that they got it wrong. Just call it this hunch I have...:ponder:All the drudge report is...is further verification.
It's a jump site.
You can link to any media in the world from there.
You've never been there have you Buck?
C'mon admit it.

At least leave that bubble for some fresh air.
Breathing your own green house gasses are going to get to you sooner or later.

Not to mention with all that CO2, you're going to be warming...might even burst into flames soon.

[Buck Laser]

All the drudge report is...is further verification.
It's a jump site.
You can link to any media in the world from there.
You've never been there have you Buck?
C'mon admit it.

At least leave that bubble for some fresh air.
Breathing your own green house gasses are going to get to you sooner or later.

Not to mention with all that CO2, you're going to be warming...might even burst into flames soon.
Well, I've now heard it from some other sources as well as Drudge, which what I asked for if your memory goes back that far. And Drudge isn't only a jump site. He starts a fair amount of shit himself. It might surprise you to learn that I have a Drudge bookmark. I check there occasionally.

I didn't for this one, because I don't really care what Jesse Jackson has to say about Obama. What he said isn't going to hurt Obama.

As to greenhouse gases, I only fart when the wind is blowing from the south in the hope that my toxic farts will carry to Crawford--or Madison. But clearly you need some schooling on the effects of CO2, boyo. CO2 inhibits combustion. It puts the fire out. Sends it to its celestial reward. Now lay off the booze.

[preservanation]

Well, I've now heard it from some other sources as well as Drudge, which what I asked for if your memory goes back that far. And Drudge isn't only a jump site. He starts a fair amount of shit himself.Ahhhh, on this particular site I challenge you to prove this.
http://www.drudgereport.com/
I'll go get a cookie.

Originally Posted by Buck Laser
I don't believe it if it comes from Drudge without further verification. Considering the political views of the people I see jumping on this bandwagon, I'd be willing to bet a perty that they got it wrong. Just call it this hunch I have... I guess you're wrong on this one.
If you're honest, you will admit you were wrong.
I'll go get a cookie.
Maybe shave and walk the dog....
Or shave the dog.
Who knows, I got a lot of time.

[william the wierd]

Obama does well when under attack then he is the Black man oppressed by whitey. When not under attack he emerges as the elitist child of privilege which he is.

[NIOSA]

Obama does well when under attack then he is the Black man oppressed by whitey. When not under attack he emerges as the elitist child of privilege which he is.

Funny how that works. He's a chameleon. (Did i spell that right?)

[heyjude]

I don't have a problem with Obama not building more nukes, or not putting weapons in space. Sorry, but enough is enough. We already have a defense budget larger than the rest of the world combined. We can easily kill everyone twenty times over. Don't you militant types ever get tired of funding death?

[lily]

Any one keeping rack of how many ministers are now trying to ride Obama's coattails?

You know you gotta love it......When Connie Chung got Gingrich's wife to say Hillary was a bitch, promising "not to tell"......she got fired......when the tables are turned and Jacksons says what he does, it's big news for Fox.




Ah........those were the days, when newscasters had standards......but then we're talking about Fox.

[NIOSA]

That was Gingrich's mama that called Hillary a bitch.
I don't understand the connection between Chung doing what she did & Fox airing what it did. Did Fox promise somebody something? :confused:

[lily]

That was Gingrich's mama that called Hillary a bitch.

My mistake.:embarrased:
I don't understand the connection between Chung doing what she did & Fox airing what it did. Did Fox promise somebody something? :confused:

Promised.....no.........both were not meant to be aired though. I call it being a professional.......others call it who cares, it's ratings.

[DamnYankee]

I could care less what the Rev Jackson said about Obama. Big Whoop

[NIOSA]

My mistake.:embarrased:


Promised.....no.........both were not meant to be aired though. I call it being a professional.......others call it who cares, it's ratings.

Just didn't want Newts wife getting the credit. :D
I'm glad that Fox aired it, you can bet that had that been a McCain supporter saying that it would've been aired as well.

[ptif219]

Any one keeping rack of how many ministers are now trying to ride Obama's coattails?

You know you gotta love it......When Connie Chung got Gingrich's wife to say Hillary was a bitch, promising "not to tell"......she got fired......when the tables are turned and Jacksons says what he does, it's big news for Fox.




Ah........those were the days, when newscasters had standards......but then we're talking about Fox.

You forgot CBS and Dan Rather and the false Bush documents.

[Wndrtch]

UHG ! You kidding ?

Going to raise taxes on...

Medicaid
Social Security
Income
and Capitol Gains ( "cuz it's fair "....honestly the guy has not a clue one )

.....add a carbon tax on the individual plus taking away Bush tax cuts. Add to that that he opposes new American oil exploration and has just told the American public that they should conform to the illegal immigrants demands that WE learn spanish. Honestly, if it wasn't for generic ignorance and white liberals on a guilt trip the guy wouldn't have a chance in hell on becoming the next president.

Let's not forget, he also wants to spend OUR tax money, to end World Poverty.


Obama’s Global Tax Proposal Up for Senate Vote


AIM Column | By Cliff Kincaid | February 12, 2008

It appears the Senate version is being pushed not only by Biden and Obama, a member of the committee, but Lugar, the ranking Republican member.

A nice-sounding bill called the "Global Poverty Act," sponsored by Democratic presidential candidate and Senator Barack Obama, is up for a Senate vote on Thursday and could result in the imposition of a global tax on the United States. The bill, which has the support of many liberal religious groups, makes levels of U.S. foreign aid spending subservient to the dictates of the United Nations.

Senator Joe Biden, chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, has not endorsed either Senator Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton in the presidential race. But on Thursday, February 14, he is trying to rush Obama's "Global Poverty Act" (S.2433) through his committee. The legislation would commit the U.S. to spending 0.7 percent of gross national product on foreign aid, which amounts to a phenomenal 13-year total of $845 billion over and above what the U.S. already spends.

The bill, which is item number four on the committee's business meeting agenda, passed the House by a voice vote last year because most members didn't realize what was in it. Congressional sponsors have been careful not to calculate the amount of foreign aid spending that it would require. According to the website of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, no hearings have been held on the Obama bill in that body.

A release from the Obama Senate office about the bill declares, "In 2000, the U.S. joined more than 180 countries at the United Nations Millennium Summit and vowed to reduce global poverty by 2015. We are halfway towards this deadline, and it is time the United States makes it a priority of our foreign policy to meet this goal and help those who are struggling day to day."

:dizzy:

http://www.aim.org/aim-column/obamas-global-tax-proposal-up-for-senate-vote/

[Osborn F. Enready]

Along with working with the UN to do everything possible to erode the 2nd amendment to help with the UN Disarmement plans.....

[AlanC]

Any one keeping rack of how many ministers are now trying to ride Obama's coattails?

You know you gotta love it......When Connie Chung got Gingrich's wife to say Hillary was a bitch, promising "not to tell"......she got fired......when the tables are turned and Jacksons says what he does, it's big news for Fox.




Ah........those were the days, when newscasters had standards......but then we're talking about Fox.


I missed the part where some Fox interviewer enticed the good reverend to make these remarks with a promise that it was off the record or wouldn't be published.

Did they fire the person revealing Regan's open mike comment? Did the network that revealed the story get castigated? Not to my memory.

[BoogyMan]

You know you gotta love it......When Connie Chung got Gingrich's wife to say Hillary was a bitch, promising "not to tell"......she got fired......when the tables are turned and Jacksons says what he does, it's big news for Fox.

Which newscaster prompted Mr. Jackson to say these things lily? I watched the video and Jackson was speaking to another individual but there was no Fox newscaster or reporter involved.

Have you seen the video?

Ah........those were the days, when newscasters had standards......but then we're talking about Fox.

Can you say Dan Rather? What kind of standards did Rather use? What standards were violated here lily? As I previously pointed out there was no involvement of any newscasters to get Jackson to make his comment.

[william the wierd]

I still think this incident was staged.

[NIOSA]

I still think this incident was staged.

Why do you think that william? I can't imagine "Rev Jesse Jacknife" doing that knowing that everybody would hear it.

[Buck Laser]

Ahhhh, on this particular site I challenge you to prove this.
http://www.drudgereport.com/
I'll go get a cookie.

I guess you're wrong on this one.
If you're honest, you will admit you were wrong.
I'll go get a cookie.
Maybe shave and walk the dog....
Or shave the dog.
Who knows, I got a lot of time.
And if you were honest, you'd have posted some pictures of flag burning in American--you know, the ones "everyone" knows exist. If you were honest, I'd expect either a picture or an apology. :madlaugh:

Now: as to evidence that Drudge starts stuff and lies, how about this:
http://killfile.newsvine.com/_news/2007/08/03/875570-lies-damn-lies-and-the-drudge-report

Gotcha!

[william the wierd]

Why do you think that william? I can't imagine "Rev Jesse Jacknife" doing that knowing that everybody would hear it. Have you looked at the trendline on Barry's polling numbers? At this point anything that stops the bleeding is a good thing. This comment has stopped the bleeding for now.

[NIOSA]

Have you looked at the trendline on Barry's polling numbers? At this point anything that stops the bleeding is a good thing. This comment has stopped the bleeding for now.

Barry?

[brien]

What makes Jackson's comment even more disgusting than it is being treated here, and in the media, is when one looks and listens carefully to the video, The "Reverend" is whispering and looking down in his gaze, his eyes shifting back and forth. He says these things in a few phrases underneath his breath and he comes across not only as the sneaky villian he really is in life, but also as a patehtic human being attempting to initiate inuendo and rumor. The guy is a slimeball and this video proves it.

[NIOSA]

What makes Jackson's comment even more disgusting than it is being treated here, and in the media, is when one looks and listens carefully to the video, The "Reverend" is whispering and looking down in his gaze, his eyes shifting back and forth. He says these things in a few phrases underneath his breath and he comes across not only as the sneaky villian he really is in life, but also as a patehtic human being attempting to initiate inuendo and rumor. The guy is a slimeball and this video proves it.

Notice how he makes a swiping move with his hand after he says what he did? Yes, he is a slime ball, a jealous slimeball. If Obama wins, Jesses days of race pimping are over & he knows it.

[william the wierd]

Barry?
Barack Hussein Obama likes to be called Barry.

[ptif219]

And if you were honest, you'd have posted some pictures of flag burning in American--you know, the ones "everyone" knows exist. If you were honest, I'd expect either a picture or an apology. :madlaugh:

Now: as to evidence that Drudge starts stuff and lies, how about this:
http://killfile.newsvine.com/_news/2007/08/03/875570-lies-damn-lies-and-the-drudge-report

Gotcha!

I posted it but that wasn't good enough you always set the bar higher.Did you go through all the pages to look at all the pages in America?

[NIOSA]

Barack Hussein Obama likes to be called Barry.

Oh, lol. I still have to wonder if maybe Jesses true "colors" weren't showing.

[Wndrtch]

I can't believe we wasted 150 posts on Jesse Jackson!

I mean, comon!

[NIOSA]

I can't believe we wasted 150 posts on Jesse Jackson!

I mean, comon!

Well, ya gotta admit that it isn't every day that we hear a "man of gawd" say he wants to castrate somebody. :lmao:

[william the wierd]

This is the humor forum isn't it?

[NIOSA]

This is the humor forum isn't it?

It is funny.

[Buck Laser]

So, preserv, I offered you evidence of Drudge starting lies. You haven't offered pictures of Americans burning flags in the US. You suggested that I was dishonest and wanted an apology. So where the fuck are you? Is this what happens when you run up against the truth and can't think of a good lie soon enough? Or are you too stoned to care?:innocent:

[preservanation]

So, preserv, I offered you evidence of Drudge starting lies. You haven't offered pictures of Americans burning flags in the US. You suggested that I was dishonest and wanted an apology. So where the fuck are you? Is this what happens when you run up against the truth and can't think of a good lie soon enough? Or are you too stoned to care?:innocent:You've got to be kidding.
You really want me to post pics of Americans desecrating the flag?
I will...but why?
We have reams of those on other threads.

If I post them again, will I get a mea copa?
Likely or not?
Polls are open.

[Buck Laser]

You've got to be kidding.
You really want me to post pics of Americans desecrating the flag?
I will...but why?
We have reams of those on other threads.

If I post them again, will I get a mea copa?
Likely or not?
Polls are open.
Hey, Goober! You started this shit by posting pix of the US flag being burned in other countries. Then you said I couldn't post proof of Drudge starting lies. What you're doing now is just trying to slink out from under YOUR obligation to be honest. Earlier in this thread, you asked for an apology from me for saying Drudge lies, and challenged my honesty.

I've doubted the quality of your character for a long, long time preserv, and your behavior in this instance is just further evidence of the fact that you don't give a shit for honesty, character or responsibility. All you want is a chance to get off cheap shots at Obama and us who support him. I wonder how you look at yourself in the mirror in the morning.:shame:

[preservanation]

Buck, I'm getting tired of me posting refutations to your baseless claims, just to have you slip into a coma for a week then you coming back with a non sequitur.

[Buck Laser]

Buck, I'm getting tired of me posting refutations to your baseless claims, just to have you slip into a coma for a week then you coming back with a non sequitur.

You posted no refutation. I posted a link and you didn't respond. It may be because you'd passed out, but you didn't respond. This time, see if you can get it straight. You're supposed to be a mod.

Furthermore, you posted no pix of flag burning in the US. I don't know how long you can get away with your lying.

Just for what it's worth, I admitted that Drudge had got the story about Jackson dissing Obama. But I still don't believe stories when they appear in Drudge alone, which was the point of my original comment in this thread.

[ptif219]

So, preserv, I offered you evidence of Drudge starting lies. You haven't offered pictures of Americans burning flags in the US. You suggested that I was dishonest and wanted an apology. So where the fuck are you? Is this what happens when you run up against the truth and can't think of a good lie soon enough? Or are you too stoned to care?:innocent:

I did and you continue to ignore it.

[preservanation]

And if you were honest, you'd have posted some pictures of flag burning in American--you know, the ones "everyone" knows exist. If you were honest, I'd expect either a picture or an apology. :madlaugh:

Now: as to evidence that Drudge starts stuff and lies, how about this:
http://killfile.newsvine.com/_news/2007/08/03/875570-lies-damn-lies-and-the-drudge-report

Gotcha! Here is part of the report from your link John Edwards has received money from Rupert Murdoch, but not in the form of the political donation eluded to in the banner headline. Edwards received $800,00 in compensation in the form of advances, royalties, and other expenses for a book entitled Home: The Blueprints of Our Lives which was published by HarperCollins, one of Murdoch's companies.
The headline at Drudge read..."Edwards takes $800K in Murdoch Money."
How is this a lie????

Here's what you asked for in the way of Americans burning flags.

Vandals burned dozens of small American flags that decorated veterans’ graves for Memorial Day and replaced many of them with hand-drawn swastikas, authorities said Monday. Forty-six flag standards were found empty and another 33 flags were in charred tatters Sunday in the cemetery, authorities said. Swastikas drawn on paper appeared where 14 of the flags had been….

“This is not an act of free speech. This is a crime,” Sheriff Bill Cumming said in a statement released Monday afternoon.I chose this one because it's so egregious and a slap in the face of the US Military.

Now, there's lots of examples out there Buck...you do know this, right?
Why do you persist in demanding proof of what you already know as true, to waste my time?

http://www.unitedpatriotsofamerica.com/content/images/Flags_-_Burning_our_Flag.jpg

[preservanation]

BTW...thanks for veering this thread off topic by demanding that that I prove a passing irrifulable statement.
The Rev. Jesse Jackson issued an apology to Barack Obama Wednesday for making what he called a “crude and hurtful” remark about the Illinois senator’s recent comments directed toward some members of the black community.

According to Jackson, a Fox News microphone picked up comments he meant to deliver privately that seemed to disparage the presumptive Democratic nominee for appearing to lecture the black community on morality.

Jackson didn’t elaborate on the context of his remarks, except to say he was trying to explain that Obama was hurting his relationship with black voters by recently conducting “moral” lectures at African-American churches.

Jackson’s apology came a few hours before Fox News planned to air the remarks.

Speaking to CNN Wednesday, Jackson said he feels “very distressed” over the comments.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/07/09/jesse-jackson-apologizes-for-comments-critical-of-obama/

In a shocking blast at Barack Obama that was caught on tape, the Rev. Jesse Jackson said, “I wanna cut his nuts out.”

He made the astonishingly vulgar remark as he accused the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee of giving moral lectures to African-Americans.

“See, Barack [has] been talking down to black people . . . I wanna cut his nuts out,” Jackson said.
His whispered comments - accompanied by his hand-miming a cutting motion - were picked up by a live mike before an interview on health care in Fox News Channel’s Chicago studio Sunday.

In an effort to blunt the controversy, Jackson apologized publicly at a news conference before the tape aired last night on Bill O’Reilly’s “The Factor” show on Fox News Channel.

“It was not a public speech or a declaration,” Jackson said at the news conference, although he admitted his language was “regretfully crude” and “hurtful. http://www.nypost.com/seven/07102008/news/nationalnews/jesses_a_nut_job_119244.htm

The Obama campaign took a measured response to the incident, contending in a statement that Obama has spoken for many years about parental responsibility as well as “jobs, justice and opportunity for all.”

“He will continue to speak out about our responsibilities to ourselves and each other, and he of course accepts Rev. Jackson’s apology,” Obama campaign spokesman Bill Burton said. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080710/ap_on_el_pr/obama_jackson;_ylt=AhGKpj8FhohTVawedL7RJXqs0NUE

[Buck Laser]

Nice try, preserv. All I said about the Jackson story in the beginning is that I'd believe it when I heard it from another source because I don't trust Drudge as a source. You dared me to show how they're unreliable. I showed you.

Earlier, I challenged you to show a picture of flag burning in America because you showed a flag burning in some other country. You kept saying "everybody knows yadda, yadda." Then you post another picture with no provenance at all.

Do you really expect me to take you seriously? You're nothing more than a nihilist promoting chaos every chance you get. You wouldn't recognize a principle or an ethic even if it bit you in the ass.