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suedanim
07-07-2008, 08:42 PM
Amazing seriously... that anyone could claim we will be attacked again if Obama is elected. Allowing al qaida not just a haven, but to grow in strength and determination in Afghanistan and Pakistan guarantees further acts of terrorism in Iraq and surrounding countries AND on the home soil of the United States.

As Afghanistan boils, McCain keeps focus on Iraq (http://www.csmonitor.com/2008/0707/p01s03-uspo.html)

For voters, a resurgent Taliban may challenge McCain's view that Iraq is the center of the war on terror.

By Ariel Sabar | Staff writer of The Christian Science Monitor from the July 7, 2008 edition

WASHINGTON - John McCain has called Iraq the "central front" of the war on terror, a crucible of America's ability to defeat violent Islamic extremists the world over.

But with record US casualties in Afghanistan in June, a resurgent Taliban, and new reports of Al Qaeda regrouping in northwest Pakistan, Senator McCain is likely to face new questions about his judgment on the one issue – national security – where voters consistently give him higher marks than they do his Democratic rival.

McCain has resisted calls for more troops in Afghanistan and has rejected criticism that the Iraq war is detracting from efforts to secure Afghanistan. He labeled Barack Obama "naive" for saying he'd strike terrorist targets in Pakistan with or without the cooperation of President Pervez Musharraf.

And while McCain vowed more than a year ago to follow Osama bin Laden "to the gates of hell," he has offered few details about how his approach to Al Qaeda might differ from that of the Bush administration.

"I will not describe what I will do in order to get bin Laden, except to say that I'll get him," he said in Iowa last September.

Aides to the Arizona senator said Wednesday that he continued to view success in Iraq as the best chance for victory in the global war on terror.

"As on many things, Senator Obama is not listening to our commanders, and Senator McCain is," says Kori Schake, a senior policy adviser to McCain. "General David Petraeus believes Iraq is the central front in the war on terror. Al Qaeda has even said it is."

But with spiking US casualties in Afghanistan and fresh reports of growing Al Qaeda activity in Pakistan and North Africa, that may be a hard sell to voters already deeply skeptical of the Iraq war.

Ms. Schake's comments came about two hours after Adm. Michael Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said additional troops were needed in Afghanistan but that too many were tied down in Iraq to send more.

The Obama campaign last week seized on the news reports of a resurgent Taliban and Al Qaeda as evidence of McCain's policy shortcomings.

"Instead of questioning Barack Obama's consistent call for a new direction in Iraq and Afghanistan, John McCain should explain why he is offering nothing more than four more years of a failed foreign policy that has asked nothing of the Iraqi government, overstretched our military, failed to finish the job in Afghanistan, and failed to bring Osama bin Laden to justice for over six years," Tommy Vietor, an Obama campaign spokesman, said in a statement.

For McCain, the stakes for drawing contrasts with the Bush administration – in affairs both domestic and foreign – are high. A USA Today/Gallup Poll released last week found that 2 in 3 Americans are concerned that McCain would pursue policies "too similar" to President Bush.

McCain came closest to sketching a new direction in remarks to a newspaper industry group in April. He suggested that the Bush administration had relied too much on technology – and not enough on spies – in its efforts to foil Al Qaeda.

"We don't have today sufficient numbers and kinds of people who can go into Waziristan, in one of the most ungoverned places on earth, … and blend in with the countryside and the people and gather information and get it back to us, because human intelligence is the only way you are able to ascertain the intentions of the enemy," he said, after a reporter asked about his pledge in a May 2007 presidential debate to follow bin Laden to the "gates of hell."

Obama has set a 16-month timetable for the withdrawal of major combat troops from Iraq and would commit two additional brigades to Afghanistan to reinforce counterterrorism operations there. He has also pledged a $1 billion increase in nonmilitary aid to the country, partly to find new work for poppy farmers who benefit from the heroin trade. In a remark that sparked controversy, he said he would not rule out a unilateral strike in Pakistan.

"If we have actionable intelligence about high-value terrorist targets and President Musharraf won't act, we will," he said in a Washington speech last August.

McCain later highlighted the statement as a sign of Obama's lack of foreign-policy experience. "You don't broadcast that you are going to bomb a country that is a sovereign nation," :lmao: McCain, who has endorsed a cooperative approach with Mr. Musharraf, said in February. "It's just fundamentals of the conduct of national security policy." :drool:

Wheres this guy been for the last 8 years?

McCain supports an open-ended troop presence in Iraq. Though critical of the Bush administration's war planning, he has said that defeat in Iraq would embolden Islamic extremists, provide a sanctuary for terrorists, destabilize the Middle East, and strengthen Iran.

pssst... Occupation of Iraq has done all those things.

He assigns a lower priority to Afghanistan and Pakistan. In an essay last fall for the journal Foreign Affairs, he called for a larger and more agile NATO force in Afghanistan, better training for Afghan soldiers, and a variety of civil reforms. He also proposed technical assistance to help Pakistanis root out terrorist cells, cultivate political moderates, and remove children from extremist madrassahs.

"There is lots we need to do in Afghanistan," Schake, McCain's adviser, acknowledged Wednesday during a conference call, responding to a question from the Monitor. "But we don't surrender to Al Qaeda in Iraq. That doesn't help American interests."

McCain aides faulted Obama early last week after high-profile supporters of the Illinois senator said recent advances in Iraq would not change Obama's 16-month withdrawal timetable. Later in the week, however, Obama signaled some flexibility, saying he would "continue to refine my policy" after visiting Iraq later this summer.

How voters respond to McCain's continued focus on Iraq may depend on how closely they are following the news, some analysts say.

"If the public is not aware that Al Qaeda is cropping up in North Africa and Afghanistan and other locations, then McCain's message might be accepted," says Gordon Smith, a political scientist at the University of South Carolina in Columbia. "For those members of the public who are well informed, to hear him argue as if Al Qaeda exists primarily in Iraq might lead to questions of, 'What's he thinking? Where's he getting his information from?' "
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knock, knock... HELLO??? Anybody home?

apdst
07-07-2008, 09:01 PM
Since you can't pull defeat from the jaws of victory in Iraq, you're going to try and do it in Afghanistan.

micfranklin
07-07-2008, 09:02 PM
If I recall Afghanistan was the first country we went to when we started this campaign.

apdst
07-07-2008, 09:03 PM
That's very observant, Mic.

ECW
07-07-2008, 10:25 PM
And a certain number of Neocons want to start a third was with Iran...

Good grief!

DamnYankee
07-07-2008, 10:29 PM
And a certain number of Neocons want to start a third was with Iran...

Good grief!

You're right. Hillary said she would nuke Iran.

Elrathin
07-07-2008, 10:31 PM
You're right. Hillary said she would nuke Iran.

No she didn't, but keep spreading those Rush Limbaugh lies.

DamnYankee
07-07-2008, 11:50 PM
No she didn't, but keep spreading those Rush Limbaugh lies.

www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24246275/

Yes she did.

suedanim
07-08-2008, 12:20 AM
Context!

She was asked a hypothetical question, to which she gave a hypothetical answer.

What you're doing DY is the same thing Iran did when they bitched about her saying what her response MIGHT be should Iran attack Israel.

Limbaugh and O'Reilly hyped the comment and twisted it for political purposes just as much as Ahmadinejad. Strange bedfellows.

I'm not going to defend her remark cause I think its ridiculous. If Iran.. without nukes.. attacks Israel who HAS nukes.. 1) Iran is stupid .. and 2) the US is even more stupid to intervene.

JMO! :peace:

lily
07-08-2008, 03:59 AM
Since you can't pull defeat from the jaws of victory in Iraq, you're going to try and do it in Afghanistan.

Well.........most of us remember that there is still a war in Afghanistan. I guess that's the difference.

See there is a pattern here. When Bush invaded Iraq, he said just how great Afghanistan was. Do you see the pattern?

Originally Posted by DamnYankee
You're right. Hillary said she would nuke Iran.

I don't believe she is still running.......is she?

Elrathin
07-08-2008, 04:09 AM
www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24246275/ (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24246275/)

Yes she did.

No she didn't. The exact quote:

Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16123860/) confirmed Monday that as president she would be willing to use nuclear weapons against Iran if it were to launch a nuclear attack on Israel.Saying you are willing to use nukes against a country (that decides to attack another country) and saying you are going to nuke a country are entirely different statements.

So again, some conservatives need to learn to think for themselves instead of spouting off incorrect Limbaugh quotes.

DamnYankee
07-08-2008, 04:45 AM
No she didn't.

Yes she did.

"In the interview Monday, Clinton affirmed that she would warn Iran’s leaders that “their use of nuclear weapons against Israel would provoke a nuclear response from the United States.”

I really could give rat's rump if you believe it or not. The above quote is from one of the leading leftist media outlets that you and others quote all the time.

“I want the Iranians to know that if I'm the president, we will attack Iran"? Clinton told ABC, "In the next 10 years, during which they might foolishly consider launching an attack on Israel, we would be able to totally obliterate them."

Or how about this quote from Hillary?

Elrathin
07-08-2008, 04:52 AM
And did you read your own quote, if Iran uses NUCLEAR WEAPONS against Israel that would provoke a nuclear response from the U.S.

Nowhere did she say that if Iran just attacked Israel using non nukes, she would use nukes. This is a NO DUH moment for ANY president.

DamnYankee
07-08-2008, 05:27 AM
And did you read your own quote, if Iran uses NUCLEAR WEAPONS against Israel that would provoke a nuclear response from the U.S.

Nowhere did she say that if Iran just attacked Israel using non nukes, she would use nukes. This is a NO DUH moment for ANY president.

I know your not that thick. She said it. You know it, I know it. Nice try though.

Elrathin
07-08-2008, 05:53 AM
She said she would use nukes IF another country used them FIRST. Get it right.

DamnYankee
07-08-2008, 03:35 PM
She said she would use nukes IF another country used them FIRST. Get it right.

She did say it though. Which was my point.

Elrathin
07-08-2008, 03:37 PM
She did say it though. Which was my point.

Yeah but you acted like she just spurted out, "I will Nuke Iran" and that simply isn't the case. It was clarified further and it was put into context that you cut out completely. Frankly ANY president would react the same way, given the circumstances of a country using nukes against the U.S. or an ally first.

suedanim
07-08-2008, 07:25 PM
geeeeeeeeeeeeez! She was asked a hypothetical question and gave a hypothetical answer..

It was a ridiculous question in the first place since Iran does not presently HAVE nukes and the hypothetical was asking if it attacked a nation (Israel) who has a massive nuclear arsenal. She was put in a position of answering a dumb question. (ABCNews has almost gone as silly and irrelevant as Fox.... its sister)

Israel does not NEED our protection. Good grief.

I think her answer was intended to make her look more militarily assertive Which... if fine. Its just the whole premise of the conversation here on this issue is... awry.


Clinton was asked by ABC News' Chris Cuomo in an interview that aired on "Good Morning America" what she would do if she wins the White House and Iran attacked Israel with nuclear weapons, according to the ABC News Web site.

"I want the Iranians to know that if I'm the president, we will attack Iran," Clinton said. "In the next 10 years, during which they might foolishly consider launching an attack on Israel, we would be able to totally obliterate them."


LINK (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/30/iran-condemns-clinton-for_n_99538.html)

See how the quote was lopped off without the full context included. I see the right and Iran are up to the same game.

Cute. :madlaugh:

hungarianflower
07-08-2008, 07:49 PM
Since you can't pull defeat from the jaws of victory in Iraq, you're going to try and do it in Afghanistan.

:clapper: Since when is it OK to wish to see our country defeated? It makes me sick how some people seem to actually relish these negative stories about the war ...

I disagree with McCain saying that it was stupid for Obama to publicly say that he would attack Iran if they weren't willing to cooperate against terrorism. What's REALLY stupid is to publicly say that you plan to employ human spies in a specified rural area where the Taliban is active ... what was he thinking?