Jesse Helms died

[apdst]

http://www.wral.com/news/local/politics/story/1755723/

"I had sought election in 1972 to try to derail the freight train of liberalism that was gaining speed toward its destination of government-run everything, paid for with big tax bills and record debt,"

Good bye to another great American.

[Elrathin]

My condolences to his family for their loss.

[Invayne]

Oh no! This is the first I've heard of this. I loved that guy.

[Buck Laser]

I'm sending an additional contribution to the NAACP in memory of him.

[Phyxius]

I'm sending an additional contribution to the NAACP in memory of him.

Wait for it... :ponder:

[Alonzo]

Soon after the Senate vote on the Confederate flag insignia, Sen. Jesse Helms (R.-N.C.) ran into Mosely-Braun in a Capitol elevator. Helms turned to his friend, Sen. Orrin Hatch (R.-Utah), and said, "Watch me make her cry. I'm going to make her cry. I'm going to sing 'Dixie' until she cries." He then proceeded to sing the song about "the good life" during slavery to Mosely-Braun (Gannett News Service, 9/2/93; Time, 8/16/93)....

Helms was an ardent supporter of the late Chilean dictator Augusto Pinochet.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesse_Helms#cite_note-fair1-11

[Pookie]

Aw, rats. He was an interesting person.
Purrs,
Pookie

[NortheastCynic]

My condolences to his family.

That's about all I'll say, I'm not going to pretend that his blatant racism and hatred will be missed.

-NC

[cronic]

That's too bad..sucks we have to die... 86 years old is a pretty good life tho
RIP

[suedanim]

My condolences to his family.

That's about all I'll say, I'm not going to pretend that his blatant racism and hatred will be missed.

-NC

I'm sorry for his family... Thats it. And I hope his passing was peaceful. I wish that for everyone.

He gave NC a very bad name, imo. In NC's defense, (I'm VERY proud of my home state!) it was the powerful tobacco lobby funding him, not the people so much. But, he played on fear and hailed from a distant day like Strom Thurmond's and Trent Lott's. I'm glad young people replacing those last bastions of bigotry and good ol' boy cronyism have little resemblance to them.

He was a most notable racist and homophobe. I detested the man. As a teenager I was forced to listen to his diatribes after the local news very often, years before he ran for the Senate. He was a part of that Southern Strategy and was elected in direct reaction to the ending of segregation and the implemetation of voting rights and changes in hiring practices and neighborhoods opening up to blacks in NC.

To me he represents a generation of whites who deliberately stood in the way of aiding black children, black women and laughed as dogs were ripping black men on the streets on the orders of cops. He and those who listened to him in agreement would proclaim.... well, if they'd stay home and shut up, nothing bad would happen to them. I will NEVER forget it and its burned in my memory forever.

His attitude towards gays was just as horrible. I'm sure there are a lot of people who are not mourning him at the moment for the quality of life he could have made better for millions, but chose not to from sheer bigoted cruelty.

Yeah, I'm proud to be a Tarheel but much to my chagrin had to endure colleagues saying things like... oh no, you can't be from the same state as Jesse Helms!

[Invayne]

Heh...I named one of my cats after the good senator many years ago.

[PatrickHenry]

I won't miss him.

He was a big backer of Saint Ronald whom I also despise.

He supported corporate tobacco thugs, contra thugs in Nicaragua and right-wing Salvadoran death squad thugs.

He constantly played the race card, setting black and white against each other. He was filth.

It looks like a few other people don't think very highly of Helms either. His page on Wikipedia has been hit with vandalism, so the "unauthorized" are presently prohibited from editing it...

[preservanation]

It looks like a few other people don't think very highly of Helms either. His page on Wikipedia has been hit with vandalism, so the "unauthorized" are presently prohibited from editing it...
What...Libs vandalizing a site???
Lib savaging a person even in death???
Say it isn't so!

*preserva gets the vapors*

[PatrickHenry]

What...Libs vandalizing a site???
Lib savaging a person even in death???
Say it isn't so!

*preserva gets the vapors*Probably more like minorities and Central American refugees...and lung cancer patients...

[Elrathin]

What...Libs vandalizing a site???
Lib savaging a person even in death???
Say it isn't so!

*preserva gets the vapors*

Pres, there are plenty of other threads you can muck up with a conservative versus Liberal thing, why did you choose this thread to spout of rhetoric. You have no idea who did it, yet you are already blaming liberals. Shame on you seriously.

[Invayne]

Pres, there are plenty of other threads you can muck up with a conservative versus Liberal thing, why did you choose this thread to spout of rhetoric. You have no idea who did it, yet you are already blaming liberals. Shame on you seriously.

Who else would do it?

[DANG]

What a pig.
Good riddance!

[preservanation]

He was filth.
What a pig.
Good riddance!

Pres, there are plenty of other threads you can muck up with a conservative versus Liberal thing, why did you choose this thread to spout of rhetoric.Sorry, sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt the somber eulogy with divisiveness.
Carry on...

[DANG]

What a pig.
Good riddance!1) Fact based observation
2) A heartfelt send-off.
May he reap his harvest a hundred fold, on the next level of his journey!

[NIOSA]

RIP Senator Helms. :(

[DamnYankee]

Sorry, sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt the somber eulogy with divisiveness.
Carry on...

It shows how classless the Left really is. So much for compassion. Not to mention respect for a statesman, his family, and the people he represented.

[ptif219]

Has anyone noticed the big deal the press made on that drunken murderer Kennedy but yet are almost silent here.

Another sign on how the liberal news media is trying to control what we hear and what is considered news.

This was a great man that deserves as much press if not more as Kennedy had.

This man stood against big government and stood up against liberal agenda's on social issues.

A true American and the silence is wrong and shows the bias of the liberal controlled media.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,376389,00.html


Former Sen. Jesse Helms, a Capitol Hill icon who devoted 30 years in the Senate to championing conservative causes, died Friday morning. He was 86.

The Jesse Helms Center posted a brief statement on its Web site saying Helms died at 1:15 a.m. in Raleigh, N.C., on the Fourth of July.

"He was very comfortable," said former chief of staff Jimmy Broughton, who added that Helms died of natural causes.

The five-term Republican senator from North Carolina formerly chaired the Senate Foreign Relations Committee and used his clout to rail against Communism, liberalism and big government.

Known by some as "Senator No" for his opposition to Democratic measures, Helms was a polarizing figure for his positions on social issues.

He was a proponent of school prayer and an opponent of abortion rights and gay rights groups. In the Senate, he forced roll-call votes that required Democrats to take sensitive positions on topics such as flag burning and school busing.

No matter his positions, colleagues said he always was a gentleman.

"Senator Jesse Helms was a tireless advocate for the people of North Carolina, a stalwart defender of limited government and free enterprise, a fearless defender of a culture of life and an unwavering champion of those struggling for liberty," President Bush said in a statement. "Jesse Helms was a kind, decent, and humble man and a passionate defender of what he called the Miracle of America. So it is fitting that this great patriot left us on the Fourth of July."

"Today we lost a senator whose stature in Congress had few equals," Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell said in a statement. "Senator Jesse Helms was a leading voice and courageous champion for the many causes he believed in

[suedanim]

Jesse Helm's was not a great man, not even a good man. He was rotten to the core. He staunchly represented the tobacco industry even if it meant more people died of lung cancer.

The only "colleagues" who speak or spoke well of him are straight or closeted white men... cause we all know how some of your cruelest homophobe republicans are in fact... gay too. He represented white people only and was no more a great patriot than the Grand Dragon of the KKK is. He and David Duke come right out of the same playbook. JMO!! You won't find many, if any minorities or gays... great PATRIOTS, as much as anyone can be ... who will sing his praises.

Sorry the man died... RIP... But I just doubt he will.

[namguy]

http://www.wral.com/news/local/politics/story/1755723/



Good bye to another great American.

I won't miss him....RIP.

[ptif219]

Jesse Helm's was not a great man, not even a good man. He was rotten to the core. He staunchly represented the tobacco industry even if it meant more people died of lung cancer.

The only "colleagues" who speak or spoke well of him are straight or closeted white men... cause we all know how some of your cruelest homophobe republicans are in fact... gay too. He represented white people only and was no more a great patriot than the Grand Dragon of the KKK is. He and David Duke come right out of the same playbook. JMO!! You won't find many, if any minorities or gays... great PATRIOTS, as much as anyone can be ... who will sing his praises.

Sorry the man died... RIP... But I just doubt he will.

No bias from you :madlaugh:

Liberals hated him because he was against big government and liberal views on social agendas.

So I guess only liberals are good.:madlaugh:

[namguy]

Heh...I named one of my cats after the good senator many years ago.

Ha, ha...good one.

[NortheastCynic]

No bias from you :madlaugh:

Liberals hated him because he was against big government and liberal views on social agendas.

So I guess only liberals are good.:madlaugh:
It may have something to do with the fact that he hated minorities and gays...Just throwing that out there.

-NC

[Alonzo]

It may have something to do with the fact that he hated minorities and gays...Just throwing that out there.

-NC

If there's justice in the world, when he meets Jesus he'll come face to face with a gay black man.

[ttriber]

If there's justice in the world, when he meets Jesus he'll come face to face with a gay black man.

Can't you just say may he RIP and that you disagreed with some of his political leanings, other then the cheap rhetoric again and again from the same slime balls who want to elect Barack Obama and other cynical politicians to power.

I admire the man for his outright position on helping Pinochet getting rid of communists. If it wasn't for people like him we would still be fighting the soviets and the spread of communism.

[ptif219]

It may have something to do with the fact that he hated minorities and gays...Just throwing that out there.

-NC

You mean just like KKK Byrd yet you probably think Byrd is great.

[ptif219]

If there's justice in the world, when he meets Jesus he'll come face to face with a gay black man.

This from someone who claims to be christian yet goes against his church and the Bible.

[NortheastCynic]

You mean just like KKK Byrd yet you probably think Byrd is great.
You're really bad at predicting my views.

I despise Robert Byrd.

I'll say that again.

I despise Roberty Byrd.

I don't like racists, period...no matter which party. I wish I could say the same for some on this board.:grrrr:

-NC

[suedanim]

Can't you just say may he RIP and that you disagreed with some of his political leanings, other then the cheap rhetoric again and again from the same slime balls who want to elect Barack Obama and other cynical politicians to power.

I admire the man for his outright position on helping Pinochet getting rid of communists. If it wasn't for people like him we would still be fighting the soviets and the spread of communism.

First... I'm no slimeball. In fact... I don't know of ANY slimeballs on this site.

Second...my rhetoric is not cheap. I can't speak for the rest, but I put some effort into my posts and that takes time and concern for what I'm saying. I don't claim to be be unbiased... cause I am. We ALL are. I just don't hate or fear other people for being different, not even you, unlike Jesse Helms.

Last... our founding fathers were the ultimate in cynical. If they had not been, we'd still be paying taxes to the British Crown. Cynicism is a good, valuable attribute. Question everything!

[NortheastCynic]

Last... our founding fathers were the ultimate in cynical. If they had not been, we'd still be paying taxes to the British Crown. Cynicism is a good, valuable attribute. Question everything!
__________________:clapper:

-NC

[Alonzo]

This from someone who claims to be christian yet goes against his church and the Bible.

The vast majority of Catholics disagree with some aspects of the Church.

And what was the problematic part, the black thing or the gay thing?

Can't you just say may he RIP and that you disagreed with some of his political leanings, other then the cheap rhetoric again and again from the same slime balls who want to elect Barack Obama and other cynical politicians to power.

His "watch me make her cry" comment, followed by singing racist songs to black colleague mosley brown (sp?) kind of made me lost the little feeling I had for him, which really was none.

[ptif219]

You're really bad at predicting my views.

I despise Robert Byrd.

I'll say that again.

I despise Roberty Byrd.

I don't like racists, period...no matter which party. I wish I could say the same for some on this board.:grrrr:

-NC

The problem is the race issue is minor now except to the racist trying to keep it alive.

Helms was about much more than that.

But all you see is race get over it.

[ptif219]

First... I'm no slimeball. In fact... I don't know of ANY slimeballs on this site.

Second...my rhetoric is not cheap. I can't speak for the rest, but I put some effort into my posts and that takes time and concern for what I'm saying. I don't claim to be be unbiased... cause I am. We ALL are. I just don't hate or fear other people for being different, not even you, unlike Jesse Helms.

Last... our founding fathers were the ultimate in cynical. If they had not been, we'd still be paying taxes to the British Crown. Cynicism is a good, valuable attribute. Question everything!

Not cheap but extemely bias

[NortheastCynic]

The problem is the race issue is minor now except to the racist trying to keep it alive.

Helms was about much more than that.

But all you see is race get over it.
All I see is race? Ptif, you make a great deal of statements regarding the personality of people you don't know, did you know that? All I see is race? No. Helms stood for some useful, traditional conservative, small gov't ideals. And that's great, I wish today's Republicans were traditional conservatives instead of Diet Democrats. That having been said, Helms' racism and homophobia far outweigh any good that he stood for.

-NC

[ptif219]

The vast majority of Catholics disagree with some aspects of the Church.

And what was the problematic part, the black thing or the gay thing?



His "watch me make her cry" comment, followed by singing racist songs to black colleague mosley brown (sp?) kind of made me lost the little feeling I had for him, which really was none.

So another words you liberal church is more important then the church you claim to worship God at.

Did it make you made when the democrats tried to Bork Thomas.

[Alonzo]

So another words you liberal church is more important then the church you claim to worship God at.

Ptif, there's no "liberal church" other than "liberal churches" and "conservative churches".

But I can all but guarantee you that the majority of church attendees don't agree 100% with the teachings of their church. The majority of MA residents are Catholic, but the majority (or 50/50 anyway) support same-sex marriage, abortion rights etc. and the Catholic Church takes a lot of heat for their views on those issues. Doesn't mean that those people don't agree with the overriding religious concerns and positions.


Did it make you made when the democrats tried to Bork Thomas.

Why would it? I don't want him on the SC.

[ptif219]

Ptif, there's no "liberal church" other than "liberal churches" and "conservative churches".

But I can all but guarantee you that the majority of church attendees don't agree 100% with the teachings of their church. The majority of MA residents are Catholic, but the majority (or 50/50 anyway) support same-sex marriage, abortion rights etc. and the Catholic Church takes a lot of heat for their views on those issues. Doesn't mean that those people don't agree with the overriding religious concerns and positions.




Why would it? I don't want him on the SC.

You know nothing about being a christian.You know about Jesus but you do not know Jesus or you do not have a personal relationship with Him.

The Bible says you will know them by their fruits.Your fruits show that your liberal ideas which is like a church to you come ahead of Jesus and the Bible.

This shows me you are christian in name only.


Funny you talk about Holmes being racist yet you supported the Dems racist attitude agains Thomas.Seems if blacks are republican its ok to be racist towards them.

[suedanim]

You know nothing about being a christian.You know about Jesus but you do not know Jesus or you do not have a personal relationship with Him.

The Bible says you will know them by their fruits.Your fruits show that your liberal ideas which is like a church to you come ahead of Jesus and the Bible.

This shows me you are christian in name only.


Funny you talk about Holmes being racist yet you supported the Dems racist attitude agains Thomas.Seems if blacks are republican its ok to be racist towards them.

The Bible says a lot of things. Talks about incest, polygamy was common, slavery.. every vice and much we consider horrible crimes today. One that gets some of you republicans in a lot of trouble is pride which I understand does happen before the fall.

Anyway... who are you to judge anyones faith or what kind of Christian they are? I guess you never heard about not judging others, lest you be judged by the same measure you judge.

First you accuse people are of not loving this country if they don't agree with your narrowminded, ignorant ass, then you assault the quality and level of their faith.

You need to take a look in the mirror... But wait a minute! Theres a big crack in it.

[ptif219]

The Bible says a lot of things. Talks about incest, polygamy was common, slavery.. every vice and much we consider horrible crimes today. One that gets some of you republicans in a lot of trouble is pride which I understand does happen before the fall.

Anyway... who are you to judge anyones faith or what kind of Christian they are? I guess you never heard about not judging others, lest you be judged by the same measure you judge.

First you accuse people are of not loving this country if they don't agree with your narrowminded, ignorant ass, then you assault the quality and level of their faith.

You need to take a look in the mirror... But wait a minute! Theres a big crack in it.

First this was not to you second I showed that the Bible says you will know them by their fruits.

Some one that ignores what the Bible says and supports gay marriage is not serving Jesus.

John 3:3 says one must be born again.Since this is not to you, you don't know when this started between me and ZO.

[Alonzo]

You know nothing about being a christian.You know about Jesus but you do not know Jesus or you do not have a personal relationship with Him.

The Bible says you will know them by their fruits.Your fruits show that your liberal ideas which is like a church to you come ahead of Jesus and the Bible.

This shows me you are christian in name only.


Ptif, you need to get out sometime and see that not every christian is an evangelical. There seems to be a world of difference between evangelicals and Catholics.

Funny you talk about Holmes being racist yet you supported the Dems racist attitude agains Thomas.Seems if blacks are republican its ok to be racist towards them.

So I'm racist because I don't support every single black man?

[Deadshot]

Helms was a bastard.

Most Christians are good, kind, accepting people.

And, racism is wrong in ANY guise.

[Easy90]

It's easy to see why libs hate Helms. It's summed up here:

"The five-term Republican senator from North Carolina formerly chaired the Senate Foreign Relations Committee and used his clout to rail against Communism, liberalism and big government."

Libs hate anyone with a record of doing stuff like that.

[Deadshot]

It's easy to see why libs hate Helms. It's summed up here:

"The five-term Republican senator from North Carolina formerly chaired the Senate Foreign Relations Committee and used his clout to rail against Communism, liberalism and big government."

Libs hate anyone with a record of doing stuff like that.

Do you read what you write? It says in your quote that he railed against "liberalism", don't you think that if he named you personally or a cause you were attatched to that you'd dislike him to?

Get real!

[NortheastCynic]

Let's forget about this stuff:
Helms had close ties to the rightist Salvadoran death squad leader Roberto D'Aubuisson and was considered a main sponsor of D'Aubuisson's political party, the Nationalist Republican Alliance.[8] When confronted with evidence that D'Aubuisson ran death squads that systematically murdered civilians, he replied that "[a]ll I know, is that D'Aubuisson is a free enterprise man and deeply religious."[9]

And that's not to mention his support of Augusto Pinochet.

But yeah, this is definitely a partisan issue...

It's not that I don't dislike him for his racism or his support for brutal dictators abroad...just that he's a conservative.

What a joke.

If Jesse Helms were a conservative and no more [as in, no racism or support for butchers], he'd be okay by me...Just as real conservatives like Pat Buchhanan, John Kyl, Jeff Sessions, etc. are okay by me.

-NC

[Deadshot]

I addressed what was presented. Helms had plenty of reasons to dislike and hate him, you mentioned a few that I did not know about. But his stance on helping the poor and his stances on racial issues are good enough for me, your info simply seals the deal.

As to Buchannan and the others...well Helms was a racist, elitist and did hang with murderers and butchers. So there is no comparrisons to those other people.

I don't hate you because you're conservative. My parents are pretty conservative people. But if you actively promote racism; actively seek to take away from the weakest among us; and hang with those that commit genocide and call them friends, well that's not so much a conservative as it is a bastard.

[NortheastCynic]

Sorry for the confusion, Deadshot, the 'let's forget about this stuff' was directed to Easy, not you. We posted almost simultaneously, my bad.

-NC

[Deadshot]

No biggie and no need to apologize. Frankly I find it amazing that an "icon" of the conservative movement, which is how some of his supporters characterized him, was barely mentioned by McCain and/or Bush.

It says something about the man who died when the leader of the GOP and nominee who will lead the GOP in the future if he wins were non-commital and relatively quiet on the death of this "icon"

[hungarianflower]

What exactly was Jesse Helm's contribution to American life? Because all I see is the negative.

[DamnYankee]

It's easy to see why libs hate Helms.

Liberals are bitter hateful people, especially the extreme leftist kook fringe.

[NortheastCynic]

I find it interesting that no one decrying the Godless 'libs' who oppose naming the Moon after Jesse Helms have done nothing to defend -scratch that- they've done nothing to address his blatant racism.

Don't confuse interesting with surprising.

-NC

[ptif219]

Ptif, you need to get out sometime and see that not every christian is an evangelical. There seems to be a world of difference between evangelicals and Catholics.

Yes but what does the Bible say?The Bible says you must be born again.You deny what the Bible says about gays.Why even bother if the church and the Bible are not important to you?





So I'm racist because I don't support every single black man?

Seems it is more then just one man.Its ok to be racist against GOP blacks.Seems to me it is more about politics.

[ptif219]

What exactly was Jesse Helm's contribution to American life? Because all I see is the negative.

Well here is one thing


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/07/06/AR2008070601767.html


When Helms arrived in Washington in 1973, conservatives were a minority not only in our nation's capital but also within the Republican Party. He often took to the floor as the lonely opposition in 99-to-1 votes. By the time he became chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee in 1995, Republicans were in the majority in the Senate and conservatives were in control of the Republican Party. And Helms was winning floor votes by wide bipartisan majorities.

What made Helms stand out was his willingness to stand up for his beliefs before they were widely held -- even if it meant challenging those closest to him. In 1985, his dear friend Ronald Reagan was preparing for his first summit with Mikhail Gorbachev when a Ukrainian sailor named Miroslav Medvid twice jumped off a Soviet ship into the Mississippi River seeking political asylum. The Soviets insisted that Medvid had accidentally fallen off -- twice. The State Department did not want an international incident on the eve of the summit. But Helms believed it was wrong to send a man back behind the Iron Curtain -- no matter the cost to superpower diplomacy. He tried to block the ship's departure by requiring the sailor to appear before the Senate Agriculture Committee, which he chaired then -- and he had the subpoena delivered to the ship's unwitting captain in a carton of North Carolina cigarettes.

Despite Helms's efforts, the ship was allowed to leave for the Soviet Union with the Ukrainian sailor aboard. Miroslav Medvid was not heard from again until 15 years later, when he came to Washington to visit the man who fought so hard for his freedom. I was working at the time on Helms's Foreign Relations Committee staff and witnessed this emotional meeting. Yes, Medvid told Helms, he had been trying to escape -- that was why he joined the Merchant Marine in the first place. When he was returned to the Soviet Union, he said, he was incarcerated in a mental hospital for the criminally insane. The KGB tried to drug him, but a sympathetic nurse injected the drugs into his mattress. Eventually he was released; today he is a parish priest in his native village in Ukraine.

In the course of dozens of interrogations, he told Helms, "the KGB didn't fulfill its desire about what they wanted to do with me. They were afraid of something," he said, "and now I know what they were afraid of." They were afraid of Jesse Helms.

[Invayne]

You mean just like KKK Byrd yet you probably think Byrd is great.

Leftists will be the first to tell you that Senator Byrd has changed his ways and he's not like that anymore...:lmao:

[Invayne]

Frankly I find it amazing that an "icon" of the conservative movement, which is how some of his supporters characterized him, was barely mentioned by McCain and/or Bush.

It says something about the man who died when the leader of the GOP and nominee who will lead the GOP in the future if he wins were non-commital and relatively quiet on the death of this "icon"

Probably because neither Bush or McCain are conservatives. Helms was too "right" for them.

I went to the church today to pay last respects. There were quite a few people coming and going. I wish I could go to the funeral tomorrow but gas is up to $4.00 out here now and Raleigh is an hour and a half away.:sadly:

[DANG]

How poetic!

Old man Helms was a butt fúcker:
Opposing the Kennedy-Hatch AIDS bill in 1988, Helms stated, "There is not one single case of AIDS in this country that cannot be traced in origin to sodomy."[15 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesse_Helms#cite_note-14)] I dont see how his own case of AIDS should be excluded.
Helms died from AIDS during the early morning hours of July 4, 2008, at the age of 86.[25 (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080704.whlems0704/BNStory/International/home)]

...saying that those with AIDS were responsible for the disease, because they had contracted it because of their "deliberate, disgusting, revolting conduct", and falsely claiming that more federal dollars were spent on AIDS than heart disease or cancer. [21 (http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=990CE4DA1230F936A35754C0A9639582 60)]
He must have been just another run of the mill closet gay republican
WHO CHOSE TO DIE IN THIS WAY!

Hypocrite pig.
He should have refused treatment... since he voted against treating it in others.

[Alonzo]

How poetic!

Old man Helms was a butt fúcker:
I dont see how his own case of AIDS should be excluded.



He must have been just another run of the mill closet gay republican
WHO CHOSE TO DIE IN THIS WAY!

Hypocrite pig.
He should have refused treatment... since he voted against treating it in others.

I'm going to guess you edited wikipedia to say that, right? Cause your link certainly doesn't mention him dying of AIDS.

[Invayne]

How poetic!

Old man Helms was a butt fúcker:
I dont see how his own case of AIDS should be excluded.



He must have been just another run of the mill closet gay republican
WHO CHOSE TO DIE IN THIS WAY!

Hypocrite pig.
He should have refused treatment... since he voted against treating it in others.

That's a damned lie. Grow up.

[DANG]

I'm going to guess you edited wikipedia to say that, right? Cause your link certainly doesn't mention him dying of AIDS.
No I didnt edit wiki to say that. But, I didnt click the Globe and Mail link til after I posted the wiki quote.
If its not true I will delete it. The G&M says "natural causes".
developing...

[DANG]

CNN says (http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/07/04/obit.helms/index.html#cnnSTCText)The cause of death has not been announced.

[DANG]

CNN says (http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/07/04/obit.helms/index.html#cnnSTCText)The cause of death has not been announced.

[DANG]

Wiki has changed his cause of death to the unauthorized "natural causes".
The cause of death was never officially announced.

There is also doubt about WHEN he died... there is a witness from the nursing home where his racist, homophobe carcass was rotting the last couple years, that he died on the 3rd at 10:30 PM. It was posted in the NY Times and disappeared. See Wonkette (http://wonkette.com/400907/did-jesse-helms-die-on-the-unpatriotic-third-of-july)

The important thing is that he is DEAD now :clapper::thumbsup:

TOGA! TOGA! TOGA!

http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/1781/togapartyss2.jpg

[Invayne]

See Wonkette (http://wonkette.com/400907/did-jesse-helms-die-on-the-unpatriotic-third-of-july)



A very reliable unbiased source, for sure.:grrrr:

[suedanim]

Whatever... He's gone.. and the shame and disgust he brought to the people of NC has been dwindling since his despicable, old school, leftover white racist ass was no longer representing the good people of that state. He brought nothing but shame and derision to NC. Any good he accomplished was far offset by the harm he did.

Thank God... the caliber of people in NC has steadily risen too as the KKKers and redneck population has dwindled thanks to the tobacco industry' influence dwindling and to blacks, gays and Democrats dominating the political scene more and more with every passing year. NC will have a black Govenor one day... and I HOPE Jonathan Edwards will play a larger role in NC state politics too. If he isn't part of Obama's Cabinet... I'd love to see him run for US Senate again.

[Invayne]

Whatever... He's gone.. and the shame and disgust he brought to the people of NC has been dwindling since his despicable, old school, leftover white racist ass was no longer representing the good people of that state. He brought nothing but shame and derision to NC. Any good he accomplished was far offset by the harm he did.

Thank God... the caliber of people in NC has steadily risen too as the KKKers and redneck population has dwindled thanks to the tobacco industry' influence dwindling and to blacks, gays and Democrats dominating the political scene more and more with every passing year. NC will have a black Govenor one day... and I HOPE Jonathan Edwards will play a larger role in NC state politics too. If he isn't part of Obama's Cabinet... I'd love to see him run for US Senate again.

Do you still live in NC?

[ptif219]

Wiki has changed his cause of death to the unauthorized "natural causes".
The cause of death was never officially announced.

There is also doubt about WHEN he died... there is a witness from the nursing home where his racist, homophobe carcass was rotting the last couple years, that he died on the 3rd at 10:30 PM. It was posted in the NY Times and disappeared. See Wonkette (http://wonkette.com/400907/did-jesse-helms-die-on-the-unpatriotic-third-of-july)

The important thing is that he is DEAD now :clapper::thumbsup:

TOGA! TOGA! TOGA!

http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/1781/togapartyss2.jpg

Sounds to me like your hate is worse than racism

[Invayne]

Do you still live in NC?

Suedanim, are you going to answer my question?

[Invayne]

Sounds to me like your hate is worse than racism

Ain't that the truth.

[DANG]

Sounds to me like your hate is worse than racism
I hate racism.

This is one less Hater to perpetuate the myths and stereotypes.

Glad to see the death of racism in whatever incremental form we get it.

My only complaint is that it didnt happen sooner.
The bigot could have done more good if he had had a conversion and campaigned for civil rights and/or Obama. Fat chance, that!

The pig is dead

Mark Twain was once asked to comment on the passing of someone he loathed. He responded: "I've sent the family a note letting them know that I approved."

Why dont you Jesse Helms fans sing the praises of Hitler?
He was the same kind of hater Helms was. They both used racism to increase their own power.:sick:

I have been mourning the passing of a humble man last week.
Larry Harmon, Bozo the Clown.
My tears for a clown.
Not for a Nazi.

[ptif219]

I hate racism.

This is one less Hater to perpetuate the myths and stereotypes.

Glad to see the death of racism in whatever incremental form we get it.

My only complaint is that it didnt happen sooner.
The bigot could have done more good if he had had a conversion and campaigned for civil rights and/or Obama. Fat chance, that!

The pig is dead

Mark Twain was once asked to comment on the passing of someone he loathed. He responded: "I've sent the family a note letting them know that I approved."

Why dont you Jesse Helms fans sing the praises of Hitler?
He was the same kind of hater Helms was. They both used racism to increase their own power.:sick:

I have been mourning the passing of a humble man last week.
Larry Harmon, Bozo the Clown.
My tears for a clown.
Not for a Nazi.

So how is your hate towards him any different then what you claim he did.

[NortheastCynic]

Really?

Is the question here 'what's the difference between hating a racist and being one?'

Really?

-NC

[suedanim]

Another take on the legacy of Jesse Helms. I had forgotten about his position on South Africa and MLK Day. What a guy, eh!?

btw.. He opposed civil rights. That means... white women, the primary beneficiaries of civil rights reforms of the 1960's, would still be sitting in the back of the bus.. figuratively... along with minorites if Helms had had his way.

This article makes many of the points I've made... especially Helms long track record to DENY certain people the right to the pursuit of happiness.


Jesse Helms and Speaking ill of the Dead (http://www.blackvoices.com/blogs/2008/07/08/jesse-helms-and-speaking-ill-of-the-dead/)

Posted Jul 8th 2008 9:00AM by Madison J. Gray (http://www.blackvoices.com/blogs/bloggers/madison-j-gray)
Filed under: BlackSpin (http://www.blackvoices.com/blogs/category/blackspin-black-news-headlines/)

They say you should remember the best things about the departed, what kindness they shared, the devotion to their loved ones, what a loving person they were. But the truth is these are only things they say about you at your funeral.

What's really up is that you are remembered by the legacy you leave, and some leave a bad legacy. Case in point: the late Sen. Jesse Helms (http://www.govote.com/Senate/Jesse_Helms.htm), probably the most polarizing American statesman since Andrew Jackson (http://www.pbs.org/kcet/andrewjackson/themes/).

That's why I'm not exactly weeping over his corpse. Helms was laid to rest on Tuesday ...


Helms, died on July 4, at the age of 86 (http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/07/04/obit.helms/) and was eulogized in the media as a conservative, albeit controversial Republican champion. But his legacy is one of polarization, using his politics to divide his constituency on racial lines throughout his sordid career.

I'm not one to be glad that anyone has died, but I certainly hope that his brand of racist, hate-fueled politics died with him.

He was a staunch pro-lifer, and there's nothing wrong with being on the conservative side of the abortion debate, if that's what floats your boat, but to the point of attacking Planned Parenthood? He was also chair of the Congressional Foreign Relations Committee, but he worked to eliminate foreign aid and supported apartheid in South Africa.

He was an opponent of civil rights, and a staunch opponent of making Martin Luther King's birthday a national holiday and in the wake of King's death said of Duke University students holding a vigil (http://www.wedgewoodbaptist.com/frightening%20quotes%20jesse%20helms.html): "They should ask their parents if it would be all right for their son or daughter to marry a Negro."

He was a Conservative Christian zealot that pandered to the emotions of angry white males in order to manipulate their votes against blacks. For example, in his 1990 election contest against Charlotte, N.C., mayor Harvey Gantt, an African American, he featured an ad that showed white hands crumpling a letter of rejection while an announcer quipped: "You needed that job and you were the best qualified. But they had to give it to a minority because of a racial quota."

He also made it his business to attack gays and lesbians legislatively by introducing a bill to block federal funds to enforce an Clinton Adminstration executive order prohibiting anti-gay discrimination. In the mid-90s, he also campaigned to cut funding for AIDS research because of his vocal disgust with gay people, whom he blamed for the disease.

In demonstrating that his ignorance was equal to his bigotry, acccording to Fair.org, he called the University of North Carolina the "University of Negroes and Communists" in 1994, and in 2001 he called civil rights activists "communists and sex perverts."

I've read for years about the Republican party wondering why it couldn't win more black converts to their side. It always seemed obvious to me as well as millions of embittered black voters. But if they are that bewildered, then they need look no further than Helms' cantankerous track record.

To give him a little credit, in 2005, he apologized for his views on AIDS and actually supported efforts to fight the disease in Africa. But he still made clear that he felt the same thoughtless, cruel way about AIDS victims in America (http://www.thebody.com/content/art19610.html)as he always has. Perhaps, he scored some brownie points with St. Peter. But he'd better hope there are no black, gay, female or South African angels waiting for him on the other side of purgatory.

On his website, Helms is quoted as saying : "America never promises anybody happiness – only the pursuit of happiness..." That's true, the U.S. Constitution does say that.

But it doesn't say anything about the denial of happiness either, and overall, that's what Jesse Helms stood for.

[micfranklin]

As I'm reading things over now, I've come to the conclusion that it's a good thing one less racist has left the building.

[ptif219]

As I'm reading things over now, I've come to the conclusion that it's a good thing one less racist has left the building.

Does that mean you will also talk this way when Byrd dies?

[NortheastCynic]

You do understand that not everyone who dislikes Helms is a Democrat or a hypocrite, Ptif...Right?

-NC

[ptif219]

You do understand that not everyone who dislikes Helms is a Democrat or a hypocrite, Ptif...Right?

-NC

That doesn't answer my question.

Plus it was not directed to you.

[NortheastCynic]

I don't care :)

I wasn't answering your question, I was asking you one.

So the fact that I wasn't answering your question is made moot by the fact that it wasn't directed toward me.

So you do know that not everyone who dislikes Helms is a Democrat, right?

-NC

[ptif219]

I don't care :)

I wasn't answering your question, I was asking you one.

So the fact that I wasn't answering your question is made moot by the fact that it wasn't directed toward me.

So you do know that not everyone who dislikes Helms is a Democrat, right?

-NC

So what. Does that give them the right to deny the good things he did?

Like pull the GOP to the right and help defeat communism.

[NortheastCynic]

Of course they have the right to deny the good. Should they? No, but of course they have the right.

As I said, I give Helms credit for his attempts to reel in gov't spending and generally downsize DC...But that doesn't come close to outweighing his horrific racism, in my view.

Now, if I were liberal, I wouldn't see his fiscal conservatism as a positive, so that is why you see liberals here disliking him as much as they do; when you couple ideological differences with racism, you get hatred.

-NC

[micfranklin]

Does that mean you will also talk this way when Byrd dies?

I might cut Byrd some slack because he actually seems apologetic for his comments, unlike Helms.

[NortheastCynic]

Mic, you know he's going to call you a hypocrite and Democrat...right?

I know it's not true, but you know it's coming. "So racist Dems are okay but racist Republicans aren't?"

In 3...2....1...

-NC

[micfranklin]

Don't worry Helms was a worthless bastard and if he was a decent American he wouldn't have tried to act like he was a neo-Nazi.

[ptif219]

I might cut Byrd some slack because he actually seems apologetic for his comments, unlike Helms.

That is the hypocrisy

Byrd is a racist look at the 1964 civil rights act.

[micfranklin]

That is the hypocrisy

Why? Because Helms has never retracted any of his statements and Byrd has?

[NortheastCynic]

When I'm right, I'm right, Mic.

-NC

[Easy90]

Why? Because Helms has never retracted any of his statements and Byrd has?

Right... LOL!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v521/Homefndr/ebony_robertbyrd.jpg

[ptif219]

Why? Because Helms has never retracted any of his statements and Byrd has?

You believe him?He is a politician more worried about votes then truth.I guess his white N-word was not racist a couple of years ago.

[micfranklin]

You believe him?He is a politician more worried about votes then truth. I guess his white N-word was not racist a couple of years ago.

Who said I believe him, I said I might cut him some slack.

[ptif219]

Who said I believe him, I said I might cut him some slack.

Thats right wrongly only look bad on the GOP and cut the DNC slack.No bias there.

:madlaugh:

[Elrathin]

Thats right wrongly only look bad on the GOP and cut the DNC slack.No bias there.

:madlaugh:

Bias? Where is your condemnation of Helms proven racists actions?

[micfranklin]

Thats right wrongly only look bad on the GOP and cut the DNC slack.No bias there.

:madlaugh:

I never said I was going to go easy on him, no reason to be proud of opposing Civil Rights.

[ptif219]

Bias? Where is your condemnation of Helms proven racists actions?

That is a small part of what he did.So then I guess it is ok when all I remember about Byrd is that he belonged to the KKK

[Elrathin]

That is a small part of what he did.So then I guess it is ok when all I remember about Byrd is that he belonged to the KKK

Small Part? Helms had more of a play in the KKK tactics than Byrd LOL.

[ptif219]

Small Part? Helms had more of a play in the KKK tactics than Byrd LOL.

Prove it

[Buck Laser]

Prove it

OK, here's Jesse Helms in his own words:
In his Own Words:

I’m so old-fashioned I believe in horse whipping.” — The News & Observer, during a debate in 1991 on an AIDS-related amendment.

“White people, wake up before it is too late. Do you want Negroes working beside you, your wife and your daughters, in your mills and factories?” – Ad Helms created for the 1950 Senate campaign of North Carolina Democratic candidate Willis Smith.

“The Negro cannot count forever on the kind of restraint that’s thus far left him free to clog the streets, disrupt traffic, and interfere with other men’s rights.” — WRAL commentary, 1963.

“The nation has been hypnotized by the swaying and gesturing of the watusi and the frug.” —WRAL Viewpoint, 1966

[ptif219]

OK, here's Jesse Helms in his own words:
In his Own Words:

I’m so old-fashioned I believe in horse whipping.” — The News & Observer, during a debate in 1991 on an AIDS-related amendment.

“White people, wake up before it is too late. Do you want Negroes working beside you, your wife and your daughters, in your mills and factories?” – Ad Helms created for the 1950 Senate campaign of North Carolina Democratic candidate Willis Smith.

“The Negro cannot count forever on the kind of restraint that’s thus far left him free to clog the streets, disrupt traffic, and interfere with other men’s rights.” — WRAL commentary, 1963.

“The nation has been hypnotized by the swaying and gesturing of the watusi and the frug.” —WRAL Viewpoint, 1966



Lets see 1950 I bet alot of congress felt that way.look at the 1964 civilrights act that Byrd made famous with the record breaking filibuster he did.

It was democrats not the GOP that was against civil rights for blacks.

[Alonzo]

Lets see 1950 I bet alot of congress felt that way.look at the 1964 civilrights act that Byrd made famous with the record breaking filibuster he did.

It was democrats not the GOP that was against civil rights for blacks.

ptif, are you really distinguishing between 1963 and 1964? Is that what your argument is now down to, one year?

[ptif219]

ptif, are you really distinguishing between 1963 and 1964? Is that what your argument is now down to, one year?

Well since theres no link I can't check it out

Still he did other things and you people are stuck on that.I guess all we can remember dems for is the filibuster of the 1964 civil rights act.

[NDNdancer]

RIP??? Oh hell no. I hope the bastard fries in whatever hell Christians believe in. I believe he earned it.

[preservanation]

The GOP would be in much better shape if they followed Helms' lead.
The appeasement tactic the GOP has taken towards the left has failed miserably and has brought us closer to an oligarchy.

Helms never wavered or compromised his principles for political expedience or "to get along" with the left, to their obvious dismay and has led them to the disgusting level of distraction they have displayed here.

[micfranklin]

Yeah because being a racist asshole politician is such a positive in American society:rolleyes:

[Deadshot]

The GOP would be in much better shape if they followed Helms' lead.
The appeasement tactic the GOP has taken towards the left has failed miserably and has brought us closer to an oligarchy.

Helms never wavered or compromised his principles for political expedience or "to get along" with the left, to their obvious dismay and has led them to the disgusting level of distraction they have displayed here.

Is it any wonder why your type of politics are failing, pres? Everyday people comprimise to get along, most people do not go through life with a "My way or the High-way" attitude, and those that do are either in charge (ergo - few), or crushed by those of us that comprimise.

I see now why you are more afraid of Liberals. You think the party in power should run rough-shod over the other party and simply not comprimise or work together on anything. Luckily for you, neither Obama or McCain have this attitude, and luckily for the world, the GOP that you believe in is dying a lingering and painful death!

[ECW]

Well since theres no link I can't check it out

Still he did other things and you people are stuck on that.I guess all we can remember dems for is the filibuster of the 1964 civil rights act.

And most of those "dems" later became republicans because they were racist bastards, just like Jesse Helms, the ultimate republican.

The GOP would be in much better shape if they followed Helms' lead.

Bush DID follow Jesse's lead: he listened to no one but himself, we all knew where he stood, he never changed one iota from his original position and you want the GOP to follow that example? For God's sake, please do! 28% approval ratings are way too high for this nonsense.

The appeasement tactic the GOP has taken towards the left has failed miserably and has brought us closer to an oligarchy.

Do you mean not doing things without consulting anyone else, that kind of appeasement tactic?

Helms never wavered or compromised his principles for political expedience or "to get along" with the left, to their obvious dismay and has led them to the disgusting level of distraction they have displayed here.

Racists have that way about them. Revere him, if you wish, for his undying hatred of minorities. Revere him, if you must, for his sanctimonious attitude toward everyone else who was not a racist motherf***er like himself. But don't try and set him up as a paragon of anything other than blind hatred and intolerance. Those may be the only republican 'virtues' you can cling to.

[DANG]

He has already reincarnated as a little baby gay black boy in the south, his mother is destitute with no healthcare. His father lost his job when the factory moved to Mexico.

There wouldnt be any little gay black babies if GOD didnt create them (from former bigots?)
I think we all have to become what we hate, before we can advance to the next higher plane.

Yes, GOD creates Blacks and Gays and every other color and sex and preference.
He even created politicians... only god knows why.

[namguy]

Liberals are bitter hateful people, especially the extreme leftist kook fringe.

It's like this, Democrats don't agree with Republicans, most of the time, and Republicans don't agree with Democrats all of the time. It's just that simple.

I've been in the Southern U.S. and I never found one person I didn't like, all the folks I ran into were friendly and helpful.

[suedanim]

If anyone is under the impression that Jesse Helms was a good Senator, even a good man you could not be more deluded. He was a vicious racist and a hate-filled radical. He cannot even be compared to Byrd, Thurmond or Lott. None of them came close to his hatred and vicious denial of the right of black, brown and gays to enjoy equal rights as American citizens. He would have been quite happy, sought after the continuation of segregation, denial of the vote, equal access to education, medical care, even water fountains, restaurants and other public services.

His brand of conservatism was to retain Jim Crow and anyone who advocated its abolition was an outside agitator, a communist, a liberal and more.

I listened to this sob during the '60's. There was no cable back then, we were stuck with nightly news and only 1 or 2 stations at that. He was the Rush Limbaugh of that day in NC, railing, yelling, preaching many nights of the weeks against any changes whatsoever in the social welfare and quality of life for blacks and on many other topics for progressive change. I despised him and his kind then and do today still. I can hardly bear to look at him or especially hear that VOICE. Sorry... but it really does hit home and brings back many sad memories.


State employee won't lower flags for Helms (http://rawstory.com/news/2008/State_employee_wont_lower_flags_for_0709.html)The Associated Press
Published: Wednesday July 9, 2008

RALEIGH, N.C. -- A longtime North Carolina state employee has chosen to retire instead of lowering flags to honor former Republican Sen. Jesse Helms.

U.S. and state flags have been flying at half-staff since Gov. Mike Easley ordered them lowered after Helms died Friday.
L.F. Eason III told his staff at the state Standards Laboratory to ignore the directive. The News & Observer of Raleigh reports that Eason sent workers an e-mail saying he didn't think it was appropriate to lower the flags because of Helms' "doctrine of negativity, hate, and prejudice."

Eason is calling it quits after 29 years with the Department of Agriculture after superiors told the 51-year-old to lower the flags or retire immediately.

Flags at the lab have since been lowered to half-staff.

[micfranklin]

I say fuck Helms, fuck him and his racist ways.

[suedanim]

It's like this, Democrats don't agree with Republicans, most of the time, and Republicans don't agree with Democrats all of the time. It's just that simple.

I've been in the Southern U.S. and I never found one person I didn't like, all the folks I ran into were friendly and helpful.

Very true. And this isn't really about the people. Its about this one man who played on white mens and Christians fears and who got major bucks from big tobacco in NC..

Ya'll DO realize... Harvey Gantt a black man.. ran a good race agaist Helms on far less money. All the people of NC were not for Jesse Helms.

Liberals... or Democrats.. who are often quite conservative really with all those moral and family values..are good, honest, hardworking people. But, to hear people like Helms and Limbaugh...we are corrupt, vicious people. It behooves the right to villify and demonize its opponents and that works a bit (less so now) since they decided to play the faith card. :dizzy:

But, all that shit is is politics as usual.

[ptif219]

Are these the same people that claim Obama and his wife are not racist after 20 years of Rev.Wright.:lmao:

[Elrathin]

Are these the same people that claim Obama and his wife are not racist after 20 years of Rev.Wright.:lmao:

Tell me one thing Obama and his wife have said that is racist?

[suedanim]

Are these the same people that claim Obama and his wife are not racist after 20 years of Rev.Wright.:lmao:

Attempting to change the subject when you don't have a leg to stand on?? :grrrr:

Won't work. You're soo on the wrong page.

And ministers or activists like Rev. Wright would have never had a calling to be the reactionary's they were if not for racist white trash like Helms. Reverse racism is wrong.. But, that you call Wright racist does not make it so. And you people that call him that either offer no examples or they are piss poor. At LEAST he had nothing to do with the horrors of American or South African aparthied. And he didn't invite you to a lynching party. If Wright did anything he insulted your almighty white privileged feelings. Now he's the racist? :dizzy:

A veritable plethora of white preachers can make overtly bigoted statements, but only Wright is called racist, only Wright and thereby Obama come under attack for it??? How come?

http://static.crooksandliars.com/2008/05/tds-graham.jpg

As much as most loved Billy Graham... he did say and believe things that were racist.

The displaying of nooses, claiming its free speech, is a direct threat and insult.. Even George Bush understood that. But, that hangover is just another legacy of Jesse Helms and his worshipers.... So is Bill O'Reilly, Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coulter... and others... those champions of white rightwing racism.

CowWSNO6v30

[bobbylien]

Its a great day to be an American! I sincerely hope he suffered a great deal before his death.

[ptif219]

Tell me one thing Obama and his wife have said that is racist?

I have never been proud of this country. I believe Michele said that.


If there is no problem there why did Obama wait 20 years to leave.I guess Obama agreed with his pastor since Obama said Wright was also a personal adviser.

[ECW]

I say fuck Helms, fuck him and his racist ways.

I'd give you another positive rep if I could for that comment.

I've been playing all my old Sly & The Family Stone albums since the bigot died. Sly was ahead of his time and loved holding up bigots to ridicule.

[Elrathin]

I have never been proud of this country. I believe Michele said that.

That is not racist. So you have yet to show ANYTHING Obama or his wife has said that is RACIST. You are a liar.

[ptif219]

That is not racist. So you have yet to show ANYTHING Obama or his wife has said that is RACIST. You are a liar.

That is not racist?

http://patterico.com/2008/03/20/obama-my-grandma-who-utters-racial-and-ethnic-stereotypes-is-a-typical-white-person/







http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tl22ZUVdz9A

[Elrathin]

That is not racist?

http://patterico.com/2008/03/20/obama-my-grandma-who-utters-racial-and-ethnic-stereotypes-is-a-typical-white-person/




That's all you got? Obama playing on a comedy show? BWAHAHAHAHAHA

Come on you have to have more than that?

[ptif219]

That's all you got? Obama playing on a comedy show? BWAHAHAHAHAHA

Come on you have to have more than that?

Click on the other link.

So making a racist comment against asians is ok.

[Drocket]

So making a racist comment against asians is ok.

Oh boy, this conversation is going to be difficult, as I know you're going to be extremely obtuse about the difference between a factual statement (for example, "african americans have a higher rate of incarceration than caucasians") and racists statements ("blacks are criminals".) So I'll just go with this:

"I hated the gooks. I will hate them as long as I live."
-John McCain

[ptif219]

Oh boy, this conversation is going to be difficult, as I know you're going to be extremely obtuse about the difference between a factual statement (for example, "african americans have a higher rate of incarceration than caucasians") and racists statements ("blacks are criminals".) So I'll just go with this:

So that justifies Obama making asians the brunt of his bad joke that was more racist than funny

[Invayne]

Bias? Where is your condemnation of Helms proven racists actions?

Proven?:ecstatic:


Here's some "proven racist actions" for you....


Helms Hires 1960's Civil Rights Figure as Adviser


AP
Published: September 27, 1989


Senator Jesse Helms of North Carolina, who has often criticized the civil rights movement, has hired James H. Meredith, who was the first black to enroll at the University of Mississippi, as a domestic policy adviser.

Mr. Meredith, whose enrollment at Ole Miss in 1962 touched off riots that left two people dead and hundreds injured and who was wounded in a civil rights march in Mississippi in 1966, called his new job ''the most significant development in my long campaign to make the black race full first-class citizens.''

Mr. Meredith, 58, changed his views after helping to end desegregation, once calling integration the ''biggest con job ever pulled on anybody.''

A Harmony of Thinking

He did not immediately return telephone calls. But The Greensboro (N.C.) News and Record reported that in a letter to acquaintances, Mr. Meredith wrote that the Senator ''wants to provide the best possible representation to them as well as the entire black population.''

A senior aide to Mr. Helms, a 67-year-old Republican who is for re-election in 1990, said today that Mr. Meredith and the Senator struck up a relationship after Mr. Meredith began writing letters on various issues.

The aide, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said it was ''not strange at all'' that Mr. Meredith should hit it off well with Mr. Helms. ''There is a great consonance of political and philosophical thinking between the Senator and Meredith on matters like religious values, abortion and development in Africa,'' the aide said.

Nonetheless, at least one civil rights leader said he was astonished at Mr. Meredith's joining the Helms staff.

'A Curve, Not a Submersion'

''The only thing I can say about this is that either something has happened to Jesse Helms that I haven't heard about or something has happened to James Meredith tha I haven't heard about,'' the Rev. Joseph Lowery of Atlanta, president of the Southern Christian Leadership Conference, told the Greensboro newspaper, which was the first to report that Mr. Meredith was joining Senator Helms's staff.

Mr. Lowery said he was aware that Mr. Meredith's philosophy had changed, but ''I thought it was a curve and not a submersion.''

While Mr. Meredith was battling segregation in the 1960's, Mr. Helms was gaining a following as a television and radio commentator denouncing civil rights bills.

Since his election to the Senate in 1972 Mr. Helms has been a scathing critic of domestic programs favored by many blacks. He has also defended the white minority government of South Africa, fought efforts to make the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.'s birthday a national holiday and criticized black politicians like the Rev. Jesse Jackson.

But Mr. Meredith told the Greensboro newspaper that he did not believe Senator Helms was hostile to blacks. ''I have never seen anyone sustain that charge or give the first iota of evidence,'' Mr. Meredith said.

Since his graduation from the University of Mississippi Mr. Meredith has held many jobs in various parts of the country. He has made many trips to Africa promoting his African Development and Reunification Association. Mr. Meredith most recently lived in Cincinnati, where he worked as a financial planner and tree farmer.
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=950DE5D6113EF934A1575AC0A96F9482 60





As for that crap about making Moseley-Braun cry, that was bullshit too.

At one point, when they were both senators, Helms sang "Dixie" while in an elevator with Moseley Braun and had sworn to make her cry. She took it in stride, telling him, "Sen. Helms, your singing would make me cry if you sang ‘Rock of Ages.'" They both looked back fondly on the episode.
http://www2.journalnow.com/content/2008/jul/05/jesse-helms-oct-18-1921-july-4-2008/

[Invayne]

Are these the same people that claim Obama and his wife are not racist after 20 years of Rev.Wright.:lmao:

Jeez...don't you know that blacks CAN'T BE racist?:madlaugh:

[Invayne]

Attempting to change the subject when you don't have a leg to stand on?? :grrrr:

Won't work. You're soo on the wrong page.

And ministers or activists like Rev. Wright would have never had a calling to be the reactionary's they were if not for racist white trash like Helms. Reverse racism is wrong.. But, that you call Wright racist does not make it so. And you people that call him that either offer no examples or they are piss poor. At LEAST he had nothing to do with the horrors of American or South African aparthied. And he didn't invite you to a lynching party. If Wright did anything he insulted your almighty white privileged feelings. Now he's the racist? :dizzy:

A veritable plethora of white preachers can make overtly bigoted statements, but only Wright is called racist, only Wright and thereby Obama come under attack for it??? How come?

http://static.crooksandliars.com/2008/05/tds-graham.jpg

As much as most loved Billy Graham... he did say and believe things that were racist.

The displaying of nooses, claiming its free speech, is a direct threat and insult.. Even George Bush understood that. But, that hangover is just another legacy of Jesse Helms and his worshipers.... So is Bill O'Reilly, Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coulter... and others... those champions of white rightwing racism.

CowWSNO6v30

:lmao: You crack me up!

[Invayne]

I have never been proud of this country. I believe Michele said that.



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[micfranklin]

I wonder what everyone else thinks of Helms' view on those "degenerate, morally sick wretches" known as homosexuals....

[Invayne]

I wonder what everyone else thinks of Helms' view on those "degenerate, morally sick wretches" known as homosexuals....

Is that a big deal to you?

[Buck Laser]

Is that a big deal to you?

I can't speak for Mic, but it's sure as hell a big deal for me. Helms embodied the absolute worst of southern demagoguery. Momma told me not to speak ill of the dead, but she didn't tell me to make nice about people who weren't nice, and there's no way ol' Jesse was nice.

[ptif219]

I wonder what everyone else thinks of Helms' view on those "degenerate, morally sick wretches" known as homosexuals....

The christians who live by the morals of the Bible probably agree.I know I do.

[micfranklin]

The christians who live by the morals of the Bible probably agree.I know I do.

And that doesn't make them any better than Helms on that view. Add in all the black people comments however...

[Conservationist]

I don't like the negative comments about black people either, but he's right in that pluralism fails, every time.

[micfranklin]

Would it be okay for me to piss on his grave or puke on it every time I get mad drunk?

[namguy]

Would it be okay for me to piss on his grave or puke on it every time I get mad drunk?

Ha, ha...go ahead Mc!

[ptif219]

Would it be okay for me to piss on his grave or puke on it every time I get mad drunk?

But you might get arrested.

[Elrathin]

But you might get arrested.

Not for puking on his grave, it isn't illegal to get sick in public. Pissing on the other hand definately will get you a citation if in public and their caught.

[micfranklin]

Don't worry I would try it in the darkness of night.

[ptif219]

Not for puking on his grave, it isn't illegal to get sick in public. Pissing on the other hand definately will get you a citation if in public and their caught.

Could be called desecrating a grave site :madlaugh:

[micfranklin]

The vomit would purify the site more though:thumbsup:

[Deadshot]

Some things just can not be purified! :grrrr:

[ptif219]

The vomit would purify the site more though:thumbsup:

Only if its pure grain alcohol moonshine