Media outlets slam Foxnews for doctored photos, but Fox remains silent

[suedanim]

I've briefly watched these people on this show. They have to be the most vicious group I've seen yet, when they aren't utterly silly.

In fact... Foxnews is now seriously over the top. All hope of fair and balanced was gone many years ago anyway, but at least they pretended better. Now its National Equirer status 24/7.
Media outlets -- but not Fox News -- weigh in on doctored photos (http://mediamatters.org/items/200807030002)

Summary: MSNBC and Editor & Publisher have noted that Fox & Friends featured photos of New York Times reporter Jacques Steinberg and editor Steven Reddicliffe that appeared to have been digitally altered. But Fox News has yet to address the controversy.



Wed, Jul 2, 2008 12:53pm ET
Fox News airs altered photos of NY Times reporters (http://mediamatters.org/items/200807020002?f=h_top)

Summary: During a segment in which Fox & Friends co-hosts Steve Doocy and Brian Kilmeade labeled New York Times reporter Jacques Steinberg and editor Steven Reddicliffe "attack dogs," Fox News featured photos of Steinberg and Reddicliffe that appeared to have been digitally altered -- the journalists' teeth had been yellowed, their facial features exaggerated, and portions of Reddicliffe's hair moved further back on his head.


On the July 2 edition of Fox News' Fox & Friends, co-hosts Steve Doocy and Brian Kilmeade labeled New York Times reporter Jacques Steinberg and editor Steven Reddicliffe "attack dogs," claiming that Steinberg's June 28 article (http://mediamatters.org/rd?to=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nytimes.com%2F2008%2F06%2F2 8%2Farts%2Ftelevision%2F28rati.html) on the "ominous trend" in Fox News' ratings was a "hit piece."

During the segment, however, Fox News featured photos of Steinberg and Reddicliffe that appeared to have been digitally altered -- the journalists' teeth had been yellowed, their facial features exaggerated, and portions of Reddicliffe's hair moved further back on his head. Fox News gave no indication that the photos had been altered.

After putting up the photos of Steinberg and Reddicliffe, Fox & Friends also featured a photograph of Steinberg's face superimposed over that of a poodle, while Reddicliffe's face was superimposed over that of the man holding the poodle's leash.

Below is a screenshot of Fox & Friends featuring the photo it used of Steinberg, with the original photo (http://mediamatters.org/rd?to=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nytimes.whsites.net%2Ftalk% 2FpetPictures%2Fjacques%2520steinberg%2520new.jpg) on its left. Comparing the two photos, it appears that the following changes have been made: Steinberg's teeth have been yellowed, his nose and chin widened, and his ears made to protrude further.
http://mediamatters.org/static/images/item/fox-20080702-steinberg.jpg


Similarly, a comparison of the photo of Reddicliffe used by Fox News and the original photo (http://mediamatters.org/rd?to=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.innovationsinnewspapers.com %2Fwp%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2006%2F12%2F27reddi.jpg) suggests that Reddicliffe's teeth have been yellowed, dark circles have been added under his eyes, and his hairline has been moved back.
http://mediamatters.org/static/images/item/fox-20080702-redicliffe.jpg


From the July 2 edition of Fox & Friends:
DOOCY: And before we go today, something's been bugging me. A couple of days --

KILMEADE: Well, go back outside.

DOOCY: We will. A couple of days ago, when most newspapers in America were doing these positive stories about how Fox News Channel, once again, number one --

KILMEADE: Like the LA Times.

DOOCY: -- for many, many years. There was a hit piece by somebody in The New York Times. The writer was a fellow by the name of Jacques Steinberg, and he's been doing a bunch of attack stories on Fox News Channel. Well, there's some backstory to it, and that is this: His boss, the guy who assigned him to this, is a fellow by the name of Steven Reddicliffe, and Mr. Reddicliffe actually used to work for this company. He worked -- I think he was the editor in charge of TV Guide until circulation went down under his tenure --

KILMEADE: Right.

DOOCY: -- something like, 40 percent. So, he got fired, and according to Radar Online, this guy has had an ax to grind.

KILMEADE: Yeah, he does, because, I think, Steve, according to reports -- according to Radar and another online magazine -- he was making close to a million dollars here, and now with his new job --

DOOCY: Yeah.

KILMEADE: -- he's making significantly less. How about a tenth of that?

DOOCY: So, anyway, Radar says he's had an ax to grind, and that's why he sends his attack dog Jacques Steinberg out -- that fellow right there, the writer for The New York Times -- to do these hit pieces. So, he essentially is his attack dog. His -- his poodle, if you will.

KILMEADE: So --

DOOCY: Oooh! Very, very nice.

KILMEADE: -- Radar Online has unlocked the mystery. And there you go, because that story was oddly in the Arts section of The New York Times, in the Sunday Times.

DOOCY: Anyway, we just thought we'd -- cute. I wonder if he's going to show him at Westminster this year.

KILMEADE: I'm not really sure. We know a beagle won last year, and this -- he's dressed as a poodle.

[ECW]

Doocy and Kilmeade are just a couple of douchebags with delusions of grandeur. This is typical of the kind of "journalism" Fox regularly exhibits. And rightwingers wondered why Democrats refused to appear for debates on their network.

[PostmodernProphet]

lol, I love it....actually, altering images is a time honored journalistic method.....

for example, here is the actual photo of Rush Limbaugh...

http://blog.pennlive.com/pennsyltucky/2008/03/limbaugh32608.jpg

and here is the image of him presented by left wing news sources....

http://kaganof.com/kagablog/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/satan_fcoff.jpg

[hungarianflower]

Wow, I'm surprised at how different the real pictures look from the altered one. That shouldn't be allowed.

[preservanation]

I don't believe this for a second.
Both those photos came from mediamatters.

Your NYT article says nothing about the photos, that I can find.
Find something else or I call a bussload of bullshit on this one.
(Like maybe the photo from FNC...just a thought).

Smells like the familiar scent of left wing propaganda to me.

[Phyxius]

lol, I love it....actually, altering images is a time honored journalistic method.....

for example, here is the actual photo of Rush Limbaugh...

http://blog.pennlive.com/pennsyltucky/2008/03/limbaugh32608.jpg

and here is the image of him presented by left wing news sources....

http://kaganof.com/kagablog/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/satan_fcoff.jpg

Actually, it's closer to...

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a176/Hasatude5150/Misc/040527_bozo1_vmed_7a_widec.jpg

[Grizz]

Sue, you must know by now that right wingers cannot rise on their own. Instead, they can only make themselves appear taller by stepping on others. But, it does appeal to their base who lack cogent arguments and must rely on the same tactics.

[suedanim]

Sue, you must know by now that right wingers cannot rise on their own. Instead, they can only make themselves appear taller by stepping on others. But, it does appeal to their base who lack cogent arguments and must rely on the same tactics.


Right... I know.

Those are screen shots from the actual show. But, just as importantly... this despicable act by Foxnews, while slammed nationally by respected media outets like Editor and Publisher and MSNBC..... has not been denied by Fox, nor any retort whatsoever has been made in response.

IF...this was a vast leftwing conspiracy to smear poor witta Foxnews... Fox would be screaming about it and using it to their advantage. Come on now. But, from Fox.. total silence.

[BoogyMan]

No mention of what prompted the alteration of the graphics I see. These two have been attacking the Fox News Channel for quite a while now, these guys took jabs back at them. You may not like it, but this is tit for tat. I probably would not have altered the photos, but the NYT poodle boys weren't attacking me either.

[Phyxius]

No mention of what prompted the alteration of the graphics I see. These two have been attacking the Fox News Channel for quite a while now, these guys took jabs back at them. You may not like it, but this is tit for tat. I probably would not have altered the photos, but the NYT poodle boys weren't attacking me either.

Nope. Calling bullshit on that one, Boogy. It was a chickenshit tactic. You know it, I know it, FOX's competitors know it - hell - FOX knows it. Nice try, but uh-uh. Complete and utter bullshit - and YOU know it. :fight:

[jafar00]

This is one of my fave manipulations. He actually looks quite respectable :D

http://xcessinternet.bravepages.com/bushmuslim.jpg

[Grizz]

No mention of what prompted the alteration of the graphics I see. These two have been attacking the Fox News Channel for quite a while now, these guys took jabs back at them. You may not like it, but this is tit for tat. I probably would not have altered the photos, but the NYT poodle boys weren't attacking me either.

I suspect the Times attacks on Fox are littered with facts, something that Fox lacks in their "counterattack" which is why they had to resort to the cheap shots.

[Buck Laser]

No mention of what prompted the alteration of the graphics I see. These two have been attacking the Fox News Channel for quite a while now, these guys took jabs back at them. You may not like it, but this is tit for tat. I probably would not have altered the photos, but the NYT poodle boys weren't attacking me either.
Looks a little to me as if you're endorsing a "don't get mad, get even" ethic here, Boog.

[preservanation]

One question...Where are the Damn Photos from Fox???

Sorry but this..
http://mediamatters.org/static/images/item/fox-20080702-steinberg.jpg
and
http://mediamatters.org/static/images/item/fox-20080702-redicliffe.jpg
...don't cut it, Jake.

Maybe I didn't say it loud enough before..."BULLSHIT!"
lol.
Hear me now?

Until these photos are produced, this whole OP is going into my ever thickening file of liberal lying propaganda.

[BoogyMan]

Looks a little to me as if you're endorsing a "don't get mad, get even" ethic here, Boog.

I guess you just chose to ignore the " I probably would not have altered the photos" part of my comment, eh Buck?

[Phyxius]

One question...Where are the Damn Photos from Fox???

Sorry but this..
http://mediamatters.org/static/images/item/fox-20080702-steinberg.jpg
and
http://mediamatters.org/static/images/item/fox-20080702-redicliffe.jpg
...don't cut it, Jake.

Maybe I didn't say it loud enough before..."BULLSHIT!"
lol.
Hear me now?

Until these photos are produced, this whole OP is going into my ever thickening file of liberal lying propaganda.

Hmmm. Embedded video playback was included. BULLSHIT right back atcha'.

Much as you try to demonstrate otherwise, I refuse to believe you're really that obtuse... :madlaugh:

[Buck Laser]

I guess you just chose to ignore the " I probably would not have altered the photos" part of my comment, eh Buck?
No, not really. I was thinking in terms of the apparent fact that you never let a disagreement or anything that you perceive as a slight pass by. If you'd really have let this pass, you wouldn't have found it necessary to comment. I abandon arguments when it becomes clear that someone else is absolutely determined to have the last word.

As to these picture alterations, they're so egregiously stupid that they reveal some of the intellectual deficiencies of Fox and the right.

[AlanC]

Railing against bias in the news by posting material from Media Matters is like using information from Playboy to complain about sexual sterotypes in magazines.

If FOX did this, shame on them. That would drag them into the same pit already occupied by Time (remember the OJ cover picture), CNN (doctored photos of Lebanese explosions), CBS (phoney documents), NBC (rigged exploding trucks) and others.

If they did it, they should be condemned for it. Now, that aside, has anyone found a youtube of this. Everything else FOX news does is on youtube, is this? The evidence from media matters looks like a screen shot, but since it too is a jpg.file, it is impossible to tell just who did the idiotic alterations of it.

FOX may not have responded, because anything said on MSNBC takes time for most people to know about. Its not like anyone watches it live.

[BoogyMan]

No, not really. I was thinking in terms of the apparent fact that you never let a disagreement or anything that you perceive as a slight pass by. If you'd really have let this pass, you wouldn't have found it necessary to comment. I abandon arguments when it becomes clear that someone else is absolutely determined to have the last word.

As to these picture alterations, they're so egregiously stupid that they reveal some of the intellectual deficiencies of Fox and the right.

Bwahahaha

Thanks Buck, you make me smile with comments like these. :D

Since we are posting on a forum, if you respond, aren't you doing exactly what you are failing to accuse me of here?

You betcha!

[4Reaganomics]

Railing against bias in the news by posting material from Media Matters is like using information from Playboy to complain about sexual sterotypes in magazines.

If FOX did this, shame on them. That would drag them into the same pit already occupied by Time (remember the OJ cover picture), CNN (doctored photos of Lebanese explosions), CBS (phoney documents), NBC (rigged exploding trucks) and others.

If they did it, they should be condemned for it. Now, that aside, has anyone found a youtube of this. Everything else FOX news does is on youtube, is this? The evidence from media matters looks like a screen shot, but since it too is a jpg.file, it is impossible to tell just who did the idiotic alterations of it.

FOX may not have responded, because anything said on MSNBC takes time for most people to know about. Its not like anyone watches it live.

lmao, a story on MSNBC is like a ship in a bottle, it takes months to get to someone

[Phyxius]

If they did it, they should be condemned for it. Now, that aside, has anyone found a youtube of this. Everything else FOX news does is on youtube, is this? The evidence from media matters looks like a screen shot, but since it too is a jpg.file, it is impossible to tell just who did the idiotic alterations of it.

FOX may not have responded, because anything said on MSNBC takes time for most people to know about. Its not like anyone watches it live.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=CfCsQeOnsrk

Here ya go. :evil:

[Buck Laser]

Bwahahaha

Thanks Buck, you make me smile with comments like these. :D

Since we are posting on a forum, if you respond, aren't you doing exactly what you are failing to accuse me of here?

You betcha!
Would you kindly parse this sentence for me? I can't make heads nor tails of it.

[AlanC]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=CfCsQeOnsrk

Here ya go. :evil:

Thanks, and yep, they are stupid. Its pointless and immature, making everything they say pointless and immature. Too bad they decided to descend to the level of the "competition" in this one.

[Pookie]

So Fox News altered photos? Gee, is this a first? I doubt it. And remember, this is an election year and the press is having a field day with it. We will probably see a lot worse as we go toward November.
Election years are a hoot!
Purrs,
Pookie

[PostmodernProphet]

ROFL....just watched the video.....they were complaining about the photchopped pictures posted in the opening post but didn't mention the one at the end of the video where the guys head is pasted on a poodle's body?........I no longer think there was anything dishonest about the modifications of the pictures.....insulting?....yes....dishonest, no.....

[preservanation]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=CfCsQeOnsrk

Here ya go. :evil:Those are not even FNC graphics.
This is nonsense.

If FNC did do this...I agree, shame.

But I'm far from convinced.

As far as FNC not responding to this...Why?
Why get in the mud with pigs?
They have better things to do with thier time other than responding to every made up charge by some shameless left wing front group who can figure out how to use a computer.
FNC spends their time reporting the news, while these Soros funded leftists make their living telling lies about them.
This is their parasitic plan.
For FNC to respond to them would just ligitimize the nonsense and add it to the news cycle.

Do you think CBS would have responded if some nutbags accused Rather of being a mad man from Mars who wanted to give meth to our children?
Of course not.

[Grizz]

Somehow I just don't believe that some Fox lover somewhere doesn't have a tape of that show to prove how wrong Media Matters really is. The fact that it hasn't surfaced only leads me to belive it is quite true and another example of the shoddy, so-called journalism exhibited by Fox.

[AlanC]

Somehow I just don't believe that some Fox lover somewhere doesn't have a tape of that show to prove how wrong Media Matters really is. The fact that it hasn't surfaced only leads me to belive it is quite true and another example of the shoddy, so-called journalism exhibited by Fox.

The only problem you have with that theory is this. Who tapes news shows? I don't. I don't know anyone else who does. If I watch a news program, I watch it. I never tape the news, because if I miss it at 5, I can watch it at 10.

I don't have any interest in the partisan entertainment shows of any network. Why would I tape them? Why would anyone spend time taping news shows unless they were trying to prove a point and hoping they could find something?

What is clear from watching this clip is that two idiots were having fun taking shots at someone they thought was taking shots at their network. I don't know how anyone who can look at it any other way. Was it serious? I don't see how it could be. It was stupid and it overshadowed what may have been information that was informative on some level.

But to tell you the truth, I don't pay attention to squables between media, personalities, outlets or supporters.

[Buck Laser]

The only problem you have with that theory is this. Who tapes news shows? I don't. I don't know anyone else who does. If I watch a news program, I watch it. I never tape the news, because if I miss it at 5, I can watch it at 10.

My wife Tivos Olbermann so we can watch when we want. So now you know someone who records the news.

[preservanation]

Why would anyone spend time taping news shows unless they were trying to prove a point and hoping they could find something?or to doctor it...

[AlanC]

My wife Tivos Olbermann so we can watch when we want. So now you know someone who records the news.


Aha. News. Gotcha. Good serious and unbiased news source you have there.

[Buck Laser]

or to doctor it...
Oh, this is priceless! You're beginning to sound like one of our especially persistent religionists here! :clapper: Fox got caught with its pants on the floor and you think somebody's conspiring against them. That is utterly priceless!!! Fox is able to fuck itself up entirely without help from the "liberal media." You can bet the farm on that.

[Phyxius]

Oh, this is priceless! You're beginning to sound like one of our especially persistent religionists here! :clapper: Fox got caught with its pants on the floor and you think somebody's conspiring against them. That is utterly priceless!!! Fox is able to fuck itself up entirely without help from the "liberal media." You can bet the farm on that.


And given the fact that Fox has been absolutely SILENT on the subject (hell, even Falafel-breath won't touch it), it certainly lends credence to their awareness of that very fact... :thumbsup:

[preservanation]

And given the fact that Fox has been absolutely SILENT on the subject (hell, even Falafel-breath won't touch it), it certainly lends credence to their awareness of that very fact... :thumbsup:

Another example of libs thinking for themselves, eh?
This talking point is a concerted effort to bait FNC to respond to the scurrilous falsehood...It's all over the Internet and every left wing lip.

They would like nothing better for FNC to respond to the made up lies these Soros clones peddle, so that it would lend it undeserved credibility and give a foot in the door of the news cycle.
Nice try all you independent thinkers out there!

[NortheastCynic]

FNC borders on tabloid journalism, how is this surprising?

I hate all of the 24 hours news networks [CNN = overtly liberal, MSNBC = obnoxious personalities], but I take FNC the least seriously.

-NC

[Buck Laser]

FNC borders on tabloid journalism, how is this surprising?

I hate all of the 24 hours news networks [CNN = overtly liberal, MSNBC = obnoxious personalities], but I take FNC the least seriously.

-NC
Borders?:madlaugh:

[DamnYankee]

Media outlets slam Foxnews for doctored photos, but Fox remains silent

Reminds me of Time Magazine altering the photo of OJ Simpson.

Doocey and Kilmeade and the other FNC "Fox And Friends" hosts are known for their gags and light hearted humor. Anyone who ever watched them would realize this. IF these photos were meant to be as a mean spirited attack, then shame on them.

The media alters photos all the time anyway, why is this a big deal?

[AlanC]

Reminds me of Time Magazine altering the photo of OJ Simpson.

Doocey and Kilmeade and the other FNC "Fox And Friends" hosts are known for their gags and light hearted humor. Anyone who ever watched them would realize this. IF these photos were meant to be as a mean spirited attack, then shame on them.

The media alters photos all the time anyway, why is this a big deal?

Because some people spend half their waking life trying to find something about FOX News to complain about.

[preservanation]

Because some people spend half their waking life trying to find something about FOX News to complain about.This could be described as the basis of existence for some.
Fascism in the name of liberal front group sustenance.

[Buck Laser]

Because some people spend half their waking life trying to find something about FOX News to complain about.
And the other half spend their time defending FOX news...:madlaugh:

[preservanation]

And the other half spend their time defending FOX news...:madlaugh:
That's exactly why FNC doesn't respond...seeee.
I told you.

The old..."well, why are you defending yourself, if it's not true?" ploy, if they respond!
I knew it.
Thanks Buck for proving the *wise and benevolent preserva* correct again.
I knew I liked having you around for something...
:D

[DamnYankee]

And the other half spend their time defending FOX news...

Can't be any worse than the leftist media who does the same thing. But you will never here the leftists chanting "neener neener," whenever their liberal propaganda machines doctor photos, slant, or just plain BS the public.

This is much ado about nothing.

[Buck Laser]

Can't be any worse than the leftist media who does the same thing. But you will never here the leftists chanting "neener neener," whenever their liberal propaganda machines doctor photos, slant, or just plain BS the public.

This is much ado about nothing.
Your turn.
So show me a photo doctored by "the leftists."

[DamnYankee]

Your turn.
So show me a photo doctored by "the leftists."

OJ on the cover of Time Magazine.

[AlanC]

Your turn.
So show me a photo doctored by "the leftists."

CNN using doctored photos of explosions and destruction in Lebenon.

CNN using staged photos of fighting in Lebenon.

[DamnYankee]

Not to mention Murtha lying about our troops massacring civilians.

[Phyxius]

Not to mention Murtha lying about our troops massacring civilians.

Murtha is a media outlet? Must've missed that one... :ponder:

[Buck Laser]

CNN using doctored photos of explosions and destruction in Lebenon.

CNN using staged photos of fighting in Lebenon.

linky?

[AlanC]

This link is but one of dozens that are available.

Includes a video story on many different instances. (http://www.aish.com/jewishissues/mediaobjectivity/Photo_Fraud_in_Lebanon.asp)

While this story is about Reuters, AP, and US News use of faked photos. Though many of the Reuters stories had been run on CNN as well.

If you care to google it, you can find an abundance of information on it.

There was on a few months ago that showed a whole group engaged in filming a phoney street fighting scene that was later released to a bunch of media outlets. I can't find that particular link right now but it was amazingly interesting how a propoganda piece for terrorists was being made into a "news" story.

I find these things far more serious than someone poking fun at a couple of people from a rival network.

[Elrathin]

The difference of course is Fox News touts itself as "Fair and Balanced" when they should change it to "Just as biased as the rest of them". That would be a good new slogan for Fox News lol.

[suedanim]

But even if we accept that photos have been doctored by other sources... you next ask us to accept that 1) this is a situation of "other networks do it too".. which I assume is supposed to make what Fox did... ok, since you refuse to condemn it and 2) some of you ask us to accept your declaration that these other networks or news outlets are liberal... which is an outright lie.

Your definition of liberal is anyone telling a side of the story... ie truth or point of view... that Foxnews or your other conservative sources are NOT telling. Criticism or opposition to George Bush, Dick Cheney, Limbaugh, Foxnews and other conservative outlets is deemed by you people as .. unAmerican, unpatriotic, trying to make.. bush and America... look bad.

You even go so far as to attack a person's faith or appear to condone that by your silence, calling them unChristian... if they do not adhere to your pov's or relent in criticism of the news outlets that spew your preferred propaganda.

In addition ... if any news outlet or individual tells a truth or pov about Bush or the horrific state of this nations economy, foreign relations, domestic conditions... you appear to feel it honorable and just that those outlets or individuals be labeled, smeared with any tripe available to you. :ponder: Your behavior then becomes not only illogical but closely resembles fascist demagoguery.