What do you think about e85?

[Deacon]

Just wanted to know what do you think of e85 fuel (85% Ethonal/15% Gasoline) I think it could ween america off gas dependency and boost american economy.

http://news.minnesota.publicradio.org/features/2005/04/28_steilm_e86sales/images/prices_large.jpg

[FucangLong]

It looks good, but I don't know how it does with an engine, or how it is to the environment. If it is a + for both of those, it could be a good alternative.

[Deacon]

The E85 is cheaper, runs off basically corn(ethonal), but the mpg is about 5 miles lower, Flexfuel cars can run on pure gas or the e85, i want an Flexfuel

[FucangLong]

Hows it affect the environment?

[Deacon]

Doesn't effct it much that 15% of gas is but the ethonaol(corn) isnt doing much so it is better for the environment than gas

[Nitrus]

I think it's a good idea, I think the UK could really benefit from fuel like that.

[Deacon]

How much is petro a litre in the UK?

[Nitrus]

It's in my fuel crisis thread, in the Off-Topic Section.

http://www.democracyforums.com/showthread.php?tid=21

Take a look.

[Defender]

e85 is excellent. We have lots us US oil and corn so basically we would be off foreign independence for energy. Energy is at this point more important than food for our economy. We need to control the costs as well as supply.

[Nitrus]

It is a great idea, but even that will run out eventually won't it?

[Deacon]

Not the corn, but the oil will eventually, but hopefully by that time we have hydrogen cars running, when h2(hydrogen) cars come out, It would be a good i dea to create a company that converts a gas car to h2 so people wouldn't have to buy a new car

Normal gas cars can run off, Gasohol 90% Gas /10% Ethonal

[sonyking]

Its a great idea as you said but we can still use it
after we run out of oil.And by the time we run out of e85
will have some other kind of fuel to power our cars.
So i think its a good idea it gives us time to find an life time
alternative for fuels.

[tbl]

At the rate technology is going (if we can put a man on the moon, most things are possible. If we can take out someones heart and put it into someone else...) by the time we run out of oil, we wont need it. And by the time the effects on nature really matter, we'd fix it.

[Nitrus]

I think oil will run out a little quicker than when we don't need it. Although we can live without it, i.e wind power. A lot of people are against change. Stupid cave people. :)

[Huron]

Everyday lot of scientist and research teams are working to stop the bid dependency on the petrol fuel.
there are some test on the hibrid cars, GNC (gas) and other variations...
There are also test on the water fuel cars.... i will post some articles later

[Old Corps Gunny]

I can remember back during the 80's oil embargo when ethanol and gas were being mixed. I used that in my car (a BelAir) without any adverse effects. I don't see any reason why we shouldn't go back to it; not only is it more ecologically friendly, it would relieve the US of foreign oil dependency. I wonder how much Shell, Exxon, et al are willing to pay for farm land in the Midwest, or are they already bidding?

[Deacon]

I think oil will run out a little quicker than when we don't need it. Although we can live without it, i.e wind power. A lot of people are against change. Stupid cave people. :)


But with change comes new problems, which we solve, but then those ,make new problems arise, so it is a never ending chain.

[bmulligan]

For those of you greenies who think that ethanol is the saving grace of oil dependancy, just remember that buying ethanol only feeds the largest corporate farmers like ADM. ADM is also the larget recipient of corporate welfare. You are paying a lot more for ethanol than you think.

LINK (http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa-241.html)

[Old Corps Gunny]

Actually, the ethanol is produced from the corn stalks, not the grain.

[rebel farmer]

ethanol is not the answer for north american oil indepedence. it is costly to anufacture, sometimes requiring more net energy to make than you get as net energy out put not to mention a delivery system for a highly volatile substance, much less stable than gasoline, and you're just beginning to see some of the problems in getting it into widespread consumer consumption. bio-diesel would actually make more sense in the long run as the manufacturing and refining process is fairly benign and could be done locally or regionally, and if the engine manufacturers were required to make the engines run on B-100 then toxicity would become almost no problem at all.

[Mayberry]

Whatever, it's 50 cents a gallon cheaper and saves me 15 bucks per fill. Bring it on!