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Alonzo
06-30-2008, 04:40 AM
Members of Jerusalem's Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual and Transgender community and their supporters marched in Jerusalem on Thursday afternoon, and ultra-Orthodox Jews staged a protest from a safe distance in what has become an annual test of strength.

The gay community sees itself as deprived of full recognition, equality and rights. Ultra-Orthodox Jews reject homosexuality as depravity.

Posters signed by critical rabbinical authorities, sanctimonious eye-rolling on both sides, the inevitable petition to the supreme court, as well as the expected ruling in favor — everyone knows the drill.

In part, the gay issue taps into existing tensions in Israel between religious and secular and right- vs. left-wing politics, and the whole thing is often perceived as a package deal. Not surprisingly, protesters against the parade included Itamar Ben-Gvir, a career activist whose name is in the notebook of any reporter who ever covered a right-wing demonstration in Israel.

Last year, the city suffered $100,000 in damages after thousands of religious protesters rioted, breaking street lamps, road signs and traffic lights and setting garbage dumpsters ablaze. A protester had stabbed several participants a few years ago and hugely disproportionate numbers of police had been deployed.

This year, tensions were lower. A religious demonstration called last week had a poor turnout, explained by some as reluctance to give the parade any free publicity.

Photo: Israeli participants hold up the multicolored Gay Pride flag and the national flag during the Gay Pride Parade in Jerusalem. Credit: Gali Tibbon / AFP/Getty Images

Jerusalem's Open House for Pride and Tolerance executive director, Yonatan Gher, attributed the relative quiet to a lot of hard work and behind-the-scenes contacts. "This is the first time Jerusalem is calm on the morning of the gay pride parade," he told Israel radio Thursday morning, adding that when community members greet each other with a "chag sameach," a happy holiday, they finally will be reflecting reality rather than expressing a wish. The Open House won an award in Brazil this year for operating a gay organization in spite of social opposition.

Several legislative attempts to protect Jerusalem from "religiously insensitive" events have been made. Why can the city protect a 120-year-old building but not a tradition of thousands of years, religious lawmakers ask.

Saar Netanel, Jerusalem city council member and one of the city's gay community leaders, explained that the Jerusalem parade is very different from its more provocative and extroverted Tel-Aviv counterpart. It is "simply a demonstration in favor of tolerance and for all people, whether religious, secular, gay, straight, Palestinian" or whatever.

But why in Jerusalem? Isn't this city complicated enough, ask many people, including supporters. Why not, Netanel answers. "Jerusalem is the capital, home to the institutions entrusted with ensuring democracy...if we can't hold such a parade in Jerusalem, what does it say about us and Israeli society?"

Gays cannot marry in Israel but legal precedents have been set for registering gay couples wed abroad, as well as on a range of issues including adoption, inheritance, pre-nuptial agreements and child support. The organization New Family estimates about 18,000 same-sex households are in Israel.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/photos/uncategorized/2008/06/26/jerusalempride.jpg

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/babylonbeyond/2008/06/israel-gay-prid.html

This parade is always interesting. It's the one time out of the year that the bigoted Jews, Muslims and Christians stop denouncing each other and instead unite in their condemnation of homosexuals.

MCTHOUSAND
06-30-2008, 11:45 AM
That Iranian leader says there are no gays in Iran. Do other countries in the middle east, besides Israel have gay pride parades?

micfranklin
06-30-2008, 04:23 PM
Maybe we should go over and ask them.

PatrickHenry
06-30-2008, 08:11 PM
This is one of the few instances where I can laud Israeli 'democracy.'

While I don't favor homosexuality and even look askance at those who would march in such a parade...I value the right to do so. And I don't think there is another middle east nation where it would be legal.

This sort of thing gives me hope for the functioning of countering forces in Israel and holds out a banner for other nations that even the most evil regimes can have seeds of freedom.

Alonzo
06-30-2008, 08:31 PM
Turkey, which some consider part of the middle east, has an annual gay pride march in Istanbul. It was held yesterday, but this year was marked with controversy as the largest LGBT group was banned:

Hot on the heels of a Turkish court's decision to close a Human Rights Association dedicated to Istanbul's Lesbian Gay Bisexual Transgender, or LGBT, community, this year's Istanbul Pride Week leaves much to be desired for the country's LGBT members as they struggle for equal rights and acceptance under a conservative government.

Although LGBT activity - marches and short Pride Weeks - has been going on in Istanbul for the last 16 years, it has been just in the last five years that the event has seen more activity and increased participation, strengthening the arm of the LGBT lobby that seeks equal human rights for its members. Pride Week is celebrated by LGBT groups around the world and is usually a festive week during which the LGBT communities �come out,� so to speak, and raise awareness against �homophobia� in their communities.

But with a recent Turkish court decision to close Lambda Istanbul, this year's Pride Week has left LGBT members and activists feeling like all their efforts have been pointless. The governor of Istanbul has successfully pushed through a court case to close Lambda Istanbul on the grounds of �immorality,� despite the decision of prosecutors that the case was not valid. Ankara-based Kaos L.G. and Pembe Hayat, two LGBT associations, have also undergone similar moves for their closure. Lambda is in the process of appealing the court decision.

http://www.turkishdailynews.com.tr/article.php?enewsid=108346

Though there doesn't seem to be many photo's of it. The only ones I've find are ones showing a man protesting the decision to ban Lamda:

http://miamiherald.typepad.com/gaysouthflorida/WindowsLiveWriter/TURKEY_GAY_RIGHTS_LAMBDA1_.jpg

http://miamiherald.typepad.com/gaysouthflorida/WindowsLiveWriter/TURKEY_GAY_RIGHTS_LAMBDA_.jpg

Sirk
06-30-2008, 09:26 PM
http://miamiherald.typepad.com/gaysouthflorida/WindowsLiveWriter/TURKEY_GAY_RIGHTS_LAMBDA_.jpg

That would probably be a moving photo if there weren't a giant colorful umbrella coming out of his head. :(

Professor
07-01-2008, 04:10 AM
I find it interesting that Isreal isn't more open to homosexuals. They were founded as the dust settled from the Holocaust, the murder of millions of Jews...and homosexuals.

MCTHOUSAND
07-01-2008, 06:19 AM
The Jewish bible teaches that homosexuality is an abomination. I suppose the Koran teaches the same thing. I guess the Muslims take the teachings more seriously.

PatrickHenry
07-01-2008, 06:27 AM
The Jewish bible teaches that homosexuality is an abomination. I suppose the Koran teaches the same thing. I guess the Muslims take the teachings more seriously.No. It's just that most Israelis aren't religious.

MCTHOUSAND
07-01-2008, 06:39 AM
No. It's just that most Israelis aren't religious.

Do you think most Muslims are religious or do they fear retribution?

PatrickHenry
07-01-2008, 08:52 PM
Do you think most Muslims are religious or do they fear retribution?IMHO, a higher percentage of Middle East Muslims are religious than Israelis...

There is no doubt that a lot of Muslims worldwide are fairly secular...Muslim in name only.

Just like Christians and Jews, too.

But Israelis are known for being non-religious. Some estimates are that 2/3 of Israelis are either secular or non-religious traditionalists.