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Alonzo
06-21-2008, 04:29 PM
(06-20) 18:32 PDT SAN FRANCISCO -- Gay-rights advocates asked the California Supreme Court on Friday to remove a proposed state constitutional ban on same-sex marriage from the November ballot, saying it would destroy fundamental rights that cannot be legally altered by a voter initiative.

The suit was filed by organizations representing gay and lesbian couples in the case that led to the court's May 15 ruling striking down the state law that excluded them from marriage - a ruling the Nov. 4 initiative would reverse.

Like one of the laws that the court overturned, the initiative declares that "only a marriage between a man and a woman is valid or recognized in California."

In papers filed four days after the legalized same-sex weddings began around the state, advocacy groups argued that the measure would change the state's Constitution so profoundly that it would amount to a revision. Under the law, the Constitution cannot be revised by initiative alone - a two-thirds legislative approval is also needed before the measure goes to the voters.

"If enacted, (the November initiative) would eviscerate the principle of equal citizenship for gay and lesbian people and strip the courts of their authority to enforce basic constitutional guarantees," said Stephen Bomse, lawyer for the groups.

He said the measure would "destabilize our Constitution and our basic government plan ... by establishing that any group may be deprived of equal protection and fundamental rights through a simple majority vote."

The lawsuit also contends that the initiative petitions circulated to voters before the court ruling were misleading because they declared that the measure would make no change in the marriage laws and would have no fiscal impact.

The advocacy groups, led by Equality California, asked the court to declare the initiative unconstitutional and strike it from the ballot, an action the justices seldom take before an election. Backers of the measure quickly denounced the suit.

"Equality California and its allies are desperate to evade democracy," said attorney Glen Lavy of the Alliance Defense Fund, which represented the Proposition 22 Legal Defense and Education Fund. Prop. 22 was the 2000 ballot measure, approved by 61 percent of the voters, that declared same-sex marriages illegal, reaffirming a statute passed by the Legislature in 1977.

"First, they used the courts to erase the votes of nearly 5 million Californians who voted to protect marriage," Lavy said, referring to the balloting on Prop. 22. "Now they are trying to silence the people's voice forever. This is just another attempt to force a radical political agenda upon the people of California."

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/06/20/BAC211CKE5.DTL

Tough one. I don't think the answer to whether it amounts to a revision can be given without incorporating your own opinion on same-sex marriage and equality. I don't see a truly legalistic argument in this case, for either side

AlanC
06-21-2008, 05:34 PM
It amounts to a revison only if this statment is true...

Gay-rights advocates asked the California Supreme Court on Friday to remove a proposed state constitutional ban on same-sex marriage from the November ballot, saying it would destroy fundamental rights that cannot be legally altered by a voter initiative.

It presupposes that a fundamental right to marriage exists outside of the laws or the constitution. Or that such a right is already somehow contained in the constitution.

If there is language in the constitution that recognizes the rights of any adults to be married, it would void ALL laws restricting marriage. It would void bigomy laws. It would void laws that prevent fathers from marrying their own daughters, brothers from marrying sisters, etc....

But this is California.

Thirdparty
06-21-2008, 07:47 PM
There is no marriage language in the Constitution, and this will be a battle that rages for a while.

TP

It amounts to a revison only if this statment is true...



It presupposes that a fundamental right to marriage exists outside of the laws or the constitution. Or that such a right is already somehow contained in the constitution.

If there is language in the constitution that recognizes the rights of any adults to be married, it would void ALL laws restricting marriage. It would void bigomy laws. It would void laws that prevent fathers from marrying their own daughters, brothers from marrying sisters, etc....

But this is California.

Easy90
06-22-2008, 01:23 AM
The language is there...right next to the part where it says you have a right to abort your child.