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Alonzo
09-27-2006, 08:09 PM
Seventy-one percent of Iraqis responding to a new survey favor a commitment by U.S.-led forces in Iraq to withdraw in a year.

The majority of respondents to the University of Maryland poll said that "they would like the Iraqi government to ask for U.S.-led forces to be withdrawn from Iraq within a year or less," according to the survey's summary.

"Given four options, 37 percent take the position that they would like U.S.-led forces withdrawn 'within six months,' while another 34 percent opt for 'gradually withdraw(ing) U.S.-led forces according to a one-year timeline.' (Watch why one analyst says U.S. strategy is flawed -- 1:45)

"Twenty percent favor a two-year timeline and just 9 percent favor 'only reduc(ing) U.S.-led forces as the security situation improves in Iraq.'"

The month's poll came in the midst of a turbulent year marked by increased Sunni-Shiite sectarian violence in Baghdad and elsewhere in the nation.

A U.S. commander said Wednesday that suicide attacks in Iraq are rising as the Islamic holy month of Ramadan gets under way. (Full story)

Majority favor attacks on U.S.
The poll's summary also suggests that most Iraqis think the American presence is doing more harm than good.

"An overwhelming majority believes that the U.S. military presence in Iraq is provoking more conflict than it is preventing and there is growing confidence in the Iraqi army," the summary said. "If the U.S. made a commitment to withdraw, a majority believes that this would strengthen the Iraqi government.

"Support for attacks on U.S.-led forces has grown to a majority position -- now 6 in 10. Support appears to be related to a widespread perception, held by all ethnic groups, that the U.S. government plans to have permanent military bases in Iraq."

The WorldPublicOpinion.org poll was conducted September 1-4 by the Program on International Policy Attitudes at the University of Maryland. It was fielded by KA Research Ltd./D3 Systems Inc. Questions were asked of a nationwide representative sample of 1,150 Iraqi adults.

The report is at the Program on International Policy Attitudes Web site at: http://www.pipa.org/

The poll comes as lawmakers in Washington wrangle over a bleak National Intelligence Estimate that concludes the Iraq war has become a "cause celebre" for jihadists, who are growing in number and geographic reach.

The intelligence analysts who authored the report said the Iraq insurgency against U.S.-led forces was an "underlying factor" fueling the spread of Islamic radicalism. (Full story)



http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/09/27/iraq.poll/index.html

piratemonkey
09-27-2006, 10:09 PM
Who cares what the Iraqi's think?

We have to shove democracy down their throats and kill them, so they understand what its like to live in a free society, safe from terrorism.

Haven't you been listening to our President?

Elrathin
09-27-2006, 10:13 PM
Seventy-one percent of Iraqis responding to a new survey favor a commitment by U.S.-led forces in Iraq to withdraw in a year.


Questions were asked of a nationwide representative sample of 1,150 Iraqi adults.

And this is why I hate polls. The numbered polled is soo small that I would wager to say that if another 1150 adults were asked, I really do believe you would see a significant difference in the numbers.

Add in the fact "how the questions were asked", "where predominantly the questions were asked", and if there was any biasness added into the poll that we don't know of and I trust polls like this about as much as that guy selling watches on the street corner.

After watching my friend get his Masters Degree in statistics, I just don't trust polls worth a damn anymore.

PittsburghAfterDark
09-27-2006, 10:51 PM
True Elrathin, I could make a push poll that makes Nancy Pelosi have approval ratings of Hitler and Bush on par with Ghandi.

There's no way to gague the accuracy of such a poll for countless reasons. Right off the top of my head I would say geographic disbursement of the sample size, under and over sampling certain areas or regions, sample size of former Ba'athist party members or those with good standing because of that, Saddam era ex-government officials, breakdown by religous sect etc..

There are about 50 things I could list as error prone to conduct such a poll and furthermore they didn't even list that this poll fell within any kind of standard deviation of +/- 3 or 5%.

I love when the stupid say "we have to shove democracy down their throats" as if self-determination is some horrible curse they wouldn't wish on their worst enemy. One of my favorite ad hominem attacks ever that paints someone as an abject fool the moment it leaves their mouth or keyboard.

piratemonkey
09-27-2006, 10:56 PM
I love when the stupid say "we have to shove democracy down their throats" as if self-determination is some horrible curse they wouldn't wish on their worst enemy.Â*Â*


Self determination is only self determination if it's Self Determined.

PittsburghAfterDark
09-27-2006, 11:15 PM
Oh yeah, so, 4 free elections don 't qualify as self-determined?



So, what are you, a Ward Churchill disciple?

piratemonkey
09-27-2006, 11:29 PM
Elections=/democracy

It interesting that you talk of self-determination in a thread that says most Iraqis want US troops out of Iraq.

Isn't the majority of the people saying they want something the definition of self-determination?

bobbylien
09-28-2006, 03:27 PM
The point is that most Iraqis believe that we should go with Murtha's proposal. I think its a good plan. Let the Iraqis control their own country, they believe they can.

Rider
09-29-2006, 08:40 PM
It depends on whether the 1,150 Iraqi's polled lived in Southern Iraq, Anbar province or Baghdad, no?

Cobra
09-29-2006, 08:51 PM
I don't know how accurate this poll may be but I say give em what they want. They can fight over their shithole of a country amoungst themselves all they want but our troops shouldn't die in the middle of it.

bobbylien
09-30-2006, 12:39 AM
I don't know how accurate this poll may be but I say give em what they want. They can fight over their shithole of a country amoungst themselves all they want but our troops shouldn't die in the middle of it.

We went in there and its our job to make it right. We knew we would lose troops when we went into Iraq. Leaving without allowing them to strengthen their government is a really stupid thing to do. The world isnt some game where we can do whatever the fuck we want and then just pretend like it never happened and remove our troops when we mess stuff up. Iraq has the potential to become a great power in the middle east.

lily
09-30-2006, 01:41 AM
Yes, Bobblien....we did go in there........but where does our job stop and when does theirs begin?

I'm tired of reading articles saying the Iraqis train, but won't fight. I'm tired of reading articles that say they show up on payday and that's the last they see of them. I'm tired of reading articles that say, they won't move to Baghdad, when our soldiers moved halfway around the world. I'm tired of reading articles, where our generals beg the ministers to crack down on the army and tell them to fight.

We gave them what we promised. Elections, a parliment and a constitution. It's time to piss or get off the pot.

Cobra
09-30-2006, 01:59 AM
The world isnt some game where we can do whatever the fuck we want and then just pretend like it never happened and remove our troops when we mess stuff up.
Yes it is, yes we can.