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BoogyMan
09-24-2006, 10:01 PM
Link Here (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-2372471,00.html)

Police to brief Muslims before terror raids

POLICE have agreed to consult a panel of Muslim leaders before mounting counter-terrorist raids or arrests. Members of the panel will offer their assessment of whether information police have on a suspect is too flimsy and will also consider the consequences on community relations of a raid.

Members will be security vetted and will have to promise not to reveal any intelligence they are shown. They will not have to sign the Official Secrets Act.

The first panel, expected to consist of four people, will be set up initially in London. Tomorrow representatives from police forces across England and Wales will decide whether to make the scheme national.

Muslim groups have welcomed the move, which is understood to be backed by Sir Ian Blair, the Metropolitan police commissioner.

This week the Association of Chief Police Officers will discuss with MI5 and the Home Office whether to reveal to the panel intelligence information from the security service.

The idea came from the Metropolitan police and the Muslim Safety Forum (MSF), which works for better police-Muslim relations. It has been under discussion for two years and came to the top of the agenda after a police raid in Forest Gate, London, in June, in which a man was shot. Police were acting on a tip-off about a bomb. None was found.

Azad Ali, chairman of the MSF, said: “The major concern that came to us from Muslims was that the intelligence was flawed — the raid was on assumption and nothing else. This will allow independent scrutiny of intelligence.”

The police and the Crown Prosecution Service have sometimes been criticised for being over-cautious about tackling Muslim extremism. Last week Abu Izzadeen, a radical cleric who has so far escaped prosecution despite seemingly inciting terrorism, gained entry to a closed meeting in east London and heckled John Reid, the home secretary.

It has now emerged that Izzadeen apparently urged Muslims to wage holy war in Britain in an internet video downloaded by several thousand users from websites that closed down two months ago. The sites were linked to the Saved Sect, of which Izzadeen was leader and which has now been banned and disbanded.

In the video he told his audience: “In the UK no fighting takes place yet, but don’t be fooled, the time will come to you brothers . . . fighting is so close at hand.”

He adds: “You prepare yourself now and when the hard time comes you are ready to defend yourself; you are ready to die for the sake of Allah.”

David Corker, a partner in the London law firm Corker Binning, which has dealt with terrorism cases, said of the video: “There is enough material there for him to be considered for prosecution.”

Izzadeen, 34, did not respond to requests for comment this weekend.

Labrocca
09-24-2006, 10:16 PM
Seems like a good idea. We get warrants before a search in America....this seems similar. I can't see how this would harm relations with Muslims but it most certainly could help. If information is leaked...it would be revealed very quickly.

Alonzo
09-24-2006, 10:42 PM
If you've paid attention to British muslims they don't trust the government at all anymore. Too many people arrested and released and too many baseless accusations made against them.

To many it's becoming like the boy who cried wolf, except that everytime the boy cries wolf someone gets arrested.

If you want cooperation from them then this is a good step.

lily
09-25-2006, 12:06 AM
I'm going to have to agree with Labrocca and Zo on this. If you can defuse a situation, before it gets out of hand, why not?

BoogyMan
09-25-2006, 02:30 AM
I cannot imagine having to go to a group outside of the law, to get permission or advice on upholding the law. This is insane and will most assuredly lead to someone being tipped off.

BoogyMan
09-25-2006, 02:31 AM
Seems like a good idea.**We get warrants before a search in America....this seems similar. I can't see how this would harm relations with Muslims but it most certainly could help.**If information is leaked...it would be revealed very quickly.


We go to judicial officials to get warrants, Lab, not to some outside religious group to get their take.

CheesyMuslim
09-25-2006, 02:45 AM
Sorry bout that,

1. But I see this as a cave in to Islam.
2. Why not just give Islam England, and all the white people leave?
3. This is an outrageous concession!
4. Its plain dumb.
5. And I didn't think Englanders were that damned dumb!

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

lily
09-25-2006, 02:58 AM
hhhhmmmmm.......how is that going to work chess? As we found out with the airlines plot.......some of them are second and sometimes third generation?

Labrocca
09-25-2006, 03:10 AM
It is a cave-in to Muslims. Not sure what is so outrageous about it though. They are not getting permission before the raids...they are consulting them. In the USA some police officers get consultation from psychics...now that's kooky. imho this is a very small token concession that is a showing of good will toward muslims by the authorties. I am sure very often in Iraq muslims are consulted with before raids in "sensative" areas like Mosques. I see this as no different except they are making it policy. Smart move I think.

Elrathin
09-25-2006, 04:02 AM
I cannot imagine having to go to a group outside of the law, to get permission or advice on upholding the law.


From what I read in the article I see nothing that says they need permission and as lobracca the police ALREADY consult specialists for advice.

I agree with you though that if they DID NEED TO GET PERMISSION before excercising a warrant, than I would have a problem with that.

Rider
09-25-2006, 04:04 AM
Pc run amok. Of course this is England and I'm not familiar with their laws, but wouldn't it be necessary to inform other religious panels whenever operations were to be carried out on any of their members?

Actually, BS like this is the only chance that radical Islamists will actually defeat the west.