Is Bush an idiot?

[AlonzoMourning23]

Do you think Bush is an idiot? If so, is he an everyday idiot, or just an idiot in terms of what should be expected of presidents?

[Mayberry]

'Zo, what is it that makes you and your kind hate the man soooo much? All he has done is to try and defend this country against the nutcases who want to kill us. Remember, Dems voted to go to Iraq as well.

[AlonzoMourning23]

'Zo, what is it that makes you and your kind hate the man soooo much? All he has done is to try and defend this country against the nutcases who want to kill us.

Ya, I mean conservatives were so cordial with Clinton.

But that can be said for people all over the political spectrum. I'm sure you got criminals in jail who would claim the same thing, like that guy who shot a Sikh man in front of his son a few days after 9/11. It doesn't mean that they're doing a good thing.

Remember, Dems voted to go to Iraq as well.


That's not true. They voted to use military force in Iraq if necessary. Just like how I think I have the right to punch someone if necessary doesn't mean I have the right to punch someone for giving me the finger. And some did not even vote for that, such as Ted Kennedy.

Besides, what does their opinion have to do with mine?

[lily]

::spreading out picnic blanket, ice chest full of beer, opening a bag of chips::



I don't think he's an idiot per say. I just don't think he knows what he is doing as president.

Well wait.....there were all those bad business' he ran before president. Any Texans on the board? ECW.........how was he as a governor?

[BoogyMan]

::spreading out picnic blanket, ice chest full of beer, opening a bag of chips::



I don't think he's an idiot per say. I just don't think he knows what he is doing as president.

Well wait.....there were all those bad business' he ran before president. Any Texans on the board? ECW.........how was he as a governor?


I am a Texan and GWB was a MUCH better governor than the hair obsessed freak we have in the office right now.

Rick Perry should be run out of town on a rail for not securing k-12 education funding and for his hostility towards state higher education funding.

[Elrathin]

I don't think Bush is an idiot per se. I think it is more like he doesn't think his policies through and is surrounded by yes men/women.

[Rider]

Let's see now,
BS in Business at Harvard
MBA at Yale
Air Force officer and fighter pilot
Well, if he's an idiot then your credentials must certainly stack up higher than his, right Zo?

[Elrathin]

Let's see now,
BS in Business at Harvard
MBA at Yale


Book smart does not automatically equate to street smarts or the ability to apply what you have learned.

[piratemonkey]

Let's see now,
BS in Business at Harvard
MBA at Yale
Air Force officer and fighter pilot
Well, if he's an idiot then your credentials must certainly stack up higher than his, right Zo?


I know many very 'educated' people that couldn't think their way out of a shoebox. Education requires money, not intelligence.

Besides, I'm sure all kinds of C students get into the Yale MBA program without any help from daddy...:rolleyes:

[BoogyMan]

Let's see now,
BS in Business at Harvard
MBA at Yale
Air Force officer and fighter pilot
Well, if he's an idiot then your credentials must certainly stack up higher than his, right Zo?


I know many very 'educated' people that couldn't think their way out of a shoebox.Â*Â*Education requires money, not intelligence.

Besides, I'm sure all kinds of C students get into the Yale MBA program without any help from daddy...:rolleyes:


I have watched as pirate berated others on this board for not being as 'educated' as he, and now find his complete dismissal of the education of the president to be quite telling.Â*Â*At the time I believe pirate said something like "I am more educated than you" in the context of a how dare you question my points tirade or something of a similar haughty nature.

How exactly do you justify this complete turn around on education?Â*Â*Is a highly educated conservative to be held in lower esteem simply because he is a conservative?Â*Â*I cannot wait to hear your justification of this hypocrisy.

[PittsburghAfterDark]

His MBA is from Harvard. His bachelor's is from Yale. You had the two reversed Rider.

Of course with piratemonkey, since he's older and more educated than all of us, he should have been able to point out that error and correct it.

Perhaps atrios hasn't written on that topic?

[Technocrat]

That you went to an ivy league doesn't mean you are smart. It just means daddy the alumnus had oodles of cash. Bush is a moron, both in academic skill as well as in political wit.

Ivy Leagues are notoriously hard to flunk out of, especially if you are of the Super Rich. He was, at best, a C student. Not very intelligent. His money is what made him.

In the real world, he has been quite the failure; from business to the presidency. He's horrifically incompetent, a hypocrit.

[Rider]

Techno-
I guess you know him personally then, eh? It couldn't be that you've bought into some smear propaganda, could it?
Also, I don't care how rich your Daddy is, he can't land an F102 at night in bad weather for you. Morons don't fly fighters.[hr]Also, thanks PAD, my info was incorrect.

[Mayberry]

ECW.........how was he as a governor? Like HE'S going to give you an unbiased answer? Bush wasn't the greatest governor, and he wasn't the worst either, just as in his presidency. He did the best he could with what he has, I believe, and that's all you can ask from anyone.

[lily]

Like HE'S going to give you an unbiased answer?

When I asked the question, I knew ECW was from Texas. I have no idea where anyone else is from. As it happend, Boogyman replied. I'll have to go by what he said, as I don't live in Texas.

[Mayberry]

I'm from Texas as well. Corpus Christi to be exact.

[Technocrat]

Techno-
I guess you know him personally then, eh? It couldn't be that you've bought into some smear propaganda, could it?
Also, I don't care how rich your Daddy is, he can't land an F102 at night in bad weather for you. Morons don't fly fighters.[hr]Also, thanks PAD, my info was incorrect.


No, it's not propaganda. He really is a moron, and money really does matter in Ivy Leagues. Alumni are incredibly important in helping to form dynastic attendance.

I need not know him personally to describe him; I don't know saddam hussein personally, but I know he's an asshole. So the "you don't have personal knowledge of him, so you can't judge and describe him" argument, doesn't work.

Yes, morons can fly fighters; there's a bottom of the barrel in almost every profession. Bush was in fact not very intelligent. He was merely a C student in highschool, and highschool isn't that hard. He's not only a poor student in highschool, he was a poor student in college.

As a president, his adminstration is astronomically corrupt, his lying skills produce comical and ostensively doublethink wtf moments, and the man's about as articulate as a camel's anus.

It's quite dismaying, but Republicans believe anything is a "SMEAR" when they don't like what they hear. It's a defensive mechanism that makes anything they do off-limits from criticism.

[AlonzoMourning23]

Let's see now,
BS in Business at Harvard
MBA at Yale
Air Force officer and fighter pilot
Well, if he's an idiot then your credentials must certainly stack up higher than his, right Zo?


Where did I call him a common idiot? He's just an idiot in the realm of presidents.

But, as someone else mentioned, I know people who can learn academic info, but know nothing a school didn't teach them, and are lucky they can figure out how to pay a phone bill.

[Elrathin]

I'm sorry but if anyone doesn't think Bush is an idiot on some things has never seen what happens when he speaks without cue cards :D

[lily]

Although he is getting better than when he first spoke. What drives me nuts is when he starts explaining things or words in the middle of what he is saying. To me that's the same thing as "You know what I'm saying".

[Elrathin]

Although he is getting better than when he first spoke. What drives me nuts is when he starts explaining things or words in the middle of what he is saying. To me that's the same thing as "You know what I'm saying".


To be perfectly honest, I get a kick out of his speeches when he screws up and messes it all up. Not because it makes him look like a fool (Although sometimes it does), but because just for that moment, it reminds us that he is human.

[Rider]

Elrathin wrote- RE: Is Bush an idiot?
I'm sorry but if anyone doesn't think Bush is an idiot on some things has never seen what happens when he speaks without cue cards
So if you're not a polished public speaker, then you're an idiot. Right.

As for Techno's post, well it just shows bias at its best. You demonstrate that you don't know as much as you think you do. I'll tell you again, morons can't fly jet interceptors, and as I understand it he was one of their best pilots. Those old F102's were not as pilot friendly as newer fighters. They were much harder to fly and manage. They had little margin for error. You just don't know what you're talking about. You are showing yourself to be just another coolaid drinker.

[Elrathin]

[quote]Elrathin wrote- RE: Is Bush an idiot?
I'm sorry but if anyone doesn't think Bush is an idiot on some things has never seen what happens when he speaks without cue cards
So if you're not a polished public speaker, then you're an idiot. Right.

Did I say compelte idiot? No, I siad an idiotic on SOME things. I see you have no problem putting words in my mouth. I'm sorry, but yes, Bush is an idiotic speaker.

[rodeojones903]

Did I say compelte idiot? No, I siad an idiotic on SOME things.


Pot calling the kettle black? :)

[Mayberry]

Pot calling the kettle black? :P

[Rider]

Elrathin wrote- RE: Is Bush an idiot?

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Elrathin wrote- RE: Is Bush an idiot?
I'm sorry but if anyone doesn't think Bush is an idiot on some things has never seen what happens when he speaks without cue cards

So if you're not a polished public speaker, then you're an idiot. Right.


Did I say compelte idiot? No, I siad an idiotic on SOME things. I see you have no problem putting words in my mouth. I'm sorry, but yes, Bush is an idiotic speaker.

What words did I put in your mouth? How can you be an idiot at some things, but not others?

[Elrathin]

How can you be an idiot at some things, but not others? [/color]


Well for instance, someone can be compeltely book smart, but they are an idiotic when it comes to applying that knowledge.

[Rider]

Elrathin- Nice try, but one is either an idiot or not.Â*Â*Idiot is defined by Webster as "a feeble minded person".
None of us has said that Bush has no faults. None of us has said that he hasn't made mistakes. But to call him an idiot is not only disrespectful, it shows one to be childish and vindictive.
No president is an idiot. No thoughtful person could rationally believe that. You may not like him and that's OK. You may not like his policies and that's OK, too.

But, to resist, ridicule, denigrate and attempt to undermine his policies is simply unpatriotic. Done often enough, loudly enough and with enough financial backing it will harm the war effort (and already has), harm our country and bring about the needless deaths of our troops and civilians.

[Elrathin]

Elrathin- Nice try, but one is either an idiot or not. Idiot is defined by Webster as "a feeble minded person".


So is a dictionary undisputable then?

[Elrathin]

But, to resist, ridicule, denigrate and attempt to undermine his policies is simply unpatriotic.


Sorry, but since your so fond of using the dictionairy, show me where unpatriotic means ridiculing or denigrating the president.

[Mayberry]

show me where unpatriotic means ridiculing or denigrating the president.
That in it's self is the definition of unpatriotic. You don't like him or his policies, fine. Vote against him in the next election. Bashing him in a public way ie news and print, is detrimental to our national pride and world standing, and as mentioned earlier, provides our enemies with ammunition.

[Rider]

Elrathin wrote- Rider Wrote:

Elrathin- Nice try, but one is either an idiot or not. Idiot is defined by Webster as "a feeble minded person".



So is a dictionary undisputable then?

Well, no, but I suspect they have a better grasp of the language than you or I. Perhaps you could write them a nice letter pointing out your concern.

Sorry, but since your so fond of using the dictionairy, show me where unpatriotic means ridiculing or denigrating the president.

I was going to reply, but Mayberry beat me too it and did a better job anyway.

[lily]

Rider

Elrathin- Nice try, but one is either an idiot or not.

I think I can solve this one.....he's an Idiot Savant.:D

That in it's self is the definition of unpatriotic. You don't like him or his policies, fine. Vote against him in the next election. Bashing him in a public way ie news and print, is detrimental to our national pride and world standing, and as mentioned earlier, provides our enemies with ammunition.

What you consider bashing, is in fact reporting the news. What you fail to realize is what he does IS news. As for our world standing.....I think we have a thread about that, it seems most of the right really doesn't care what the world thins of us.

[Mayberry]

What you consider bashing, is in fact reporting the news. This is news? http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/09/22/ivins.torture/index.html
http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/09/22/ivins.conference/index.html
http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/09/21/pakistan.threat.ap/index.html
Every article has an inti Bush spin. And these are only 3 from one site out of dozens. I don't have the stomach to go to the NYT, Chicken Noodle News was bad enough.

[Mayberry]

You know, many people didn't think much of FDR, but he wasn't openly criticized on a daily basis. Then, just as now, we were at war, and this is not the time to berate the president in front of the whole world. News can be reported without taking a jab at the president, hard as that may be for you to believe. And if ever there was a time for our congress to be united, or at least give the impression, it is now. Senators taking shots at the president is the worst.

[lily]

Mayberry


What you consider bashing, is in fact reporting the news. This is news? http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/09/22/ivins.torture/index.html
http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/09/22/ivins.conference/index.html

You do know the difference between editorials and news, don't you?


http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/09/21/pakistan.threat.ap/index.html
You bet your ass that's news!

Every article has an inti Bush spin. And these are only 3 from one site out of dozens. I don't have the stomach to go to the NYT, Chicken Noodle News was bad enough.

I haven't checked the ticker across the top of the forum. I would imagine this is one of the stories,

[lily]

You know, many people didn't think much of FDR, but he wasn't openly criticized on a daily basis. Then, just as now, we were at war, and this is not the time to berate the president in front of the whole world. News can be reported without taking a jab at the president, hard as that may be for you to believe. And if ever there was a time for our congress to be united, or at least give the impression, it is now. Senators taking shots at the president is the worst.


That was a different time........hell the press wouldn't even report that he had polio for crying out loud! With news at your fingertips, it's rather hard to go back to the good old days.

[Mayberry]

You bet your ass that's news!
You actually bought that? (why am I surprised?) I think it's a load of BS.

[lily]

You honestly don't think in the days following 911 that Armetage or anyone else, didn't call the head of Pakistan or any other country where they thought bin-Laden might be and tell them, if they didn't hand him over we would bomb them into the stone age???Â*Â*Ummmmmm.........okey dokey.

[Mayberry]

So what if they did? I said it's BS because it is a non-issue. If it did happen, it was probably 5 years ago, so why is it "news" today? As you said That was a different time:D

[lily]

So what if they did? I said it's BS because it is a non-issue. If it did happen, it was probably 5 years ago, so why is it "news" today? As you said That was a different time:D



.......because Musharif is writing a book? Hell, the fact that Chavez called Bush a devil isn't news to me, but it's been news for 2 days now.

[Mayberry]

.......because Musharif is writing a book? Oooooh. Now I see.:rolleyes:

[Rider]

Lily wrote- You honestly don't think in the days following 911 that Armetage or anyone else, didn't call the head of Pakistan or any other country where they thought bin-Laden might be and tell them, if they didn't hand him over we would bomb them into the stone age??? Ummmmmm.........okey dokey.
Lily, I would think that a phone call like that is not just unlikely, but probably inconceivable. Calls like that don't just occur on some one's whim. Anyone calling the President of Pakistan to make any policy statement, let alone the threat of nuclear anihilation would find themselves on the street if not in jail in a few hours.

[Elrathin]

Lily wrote- You honestly don't think in the days following 911 that Armetage or anyone else, didn't call the head of Pakistan or any other country where they thought bin-Laden might be and tell them, if they didn't hand him over we would bomb them into the stone age???Â*Â*Ummmmmm.........okey dokey.
Lily, I would think that a phone call like that is not just unlikely, but probably inconceivable. Calls like that don't just occur on some one's whim. Anyone calling the President of Pakistan to make any policy statement, let alone the threat of nuclear anihilation would find themselves on the street if not in jail in a few hours.



You make a good point, but then let me ask (Cause I really don't know) who has to be present during such a phone call and who has to be notified that a phone call like that can take place?

[Popwing]

That in it's self is the definition of unpatriotic. You don't like him or his policies, fine. Vote against him in the next election. Bashing him in a public way ie news and print, is detrimental to our national pride and world standing, and as mentioned earlier, provides our enemies with ammunition.


Oooh, scary. So If I call Bush the biggest freaking moron that ever sat in the Oval Office, I'm providing our enemies with amunition?

Hmm...practicing free speech is now anti-American? What a brave new world!

On that principle, Bush himself should keep his mouth shut, because every time he does he says something inane and embarrassing to the country, and therefore HE provides the enemy with ammunition, and late night TV hosts with tons of new material.

[Professor]

Idiot is defined by Webster as "a feeble minded person".


I would consider Bush to be a feeble minded person.Â*Â*I would also consider him to be a dolt, not qualified (in legal terms), and of being insufficient.Â*Â*

Quite simply as the poll asks, yes I consider him an idiot.

However I consider those he works with to be varying degrees of intelligence.Â*Â*They sold this guy to the American public and he was voted in twice.Â*Â*


You know, many people didn't think much of FDR, but he wasn't openly criticized on a daily basis.


I find that irrelevant.Â*Â*It is also true that once women couldn't vote or own property, but how does that fit in with today's society and 2006's feminists?Â*Â*The only comment I can make is that it was different back then.Â*Â*Â*Â*

No, FDR was not publicly criticized.Â*Â*That was the era before Vietnam.Â*Â*However, it is a time gone by and holding it up as the ideal while disregarding more than 60 years of social, political and cultural progress is ridiculous.Â*Â*It's gone, that's that.Â*Â*


That in it's self is the definition of unpatriotic. You don't like him or his policies, fine. Vote against him in the next election. Bashing him in a public way ie news and print, is detrimental to our national pride and world standing, and as mentioned earlier, provides our enemies with ammunition.


I disagree with that.Â*Â*I don't think anti-Bush press is giving our enemies fodder for continuing their vendettas against the US.Â*Â*I don't think the terrorists subscribe to US newspapers and clip the articles on their walls.Â*Â*I highly doubt any enemy of the US gets motivation from watching the Colbert Report (I know this is not a news program).Â*Â*I have seen Iraq's and Iran's cartoons and they do not make me want to go over there and attack them.Â*Â*They are what they are.

I think that any sentiments for or against the White House should be encouraged.Â*Â*Not enough people are aware of what goes ion in politics, yet they pay taxes and they don't understand the process or know the players.Â*Â*They may read something and it may get them thinking.Â*Â*

I do agree the news shouldn't present bias for or against the president.Â*Â*They should simply present the news.Â*Â*End of story.Â*Â*It is not their job to form conclusions for their audience.Â*Â*The audience is only as smart as you allow them to be, and forming opinions and putting them in the story is offensive.Â*Â*You are thinking for the viewer and that is wrong.

However; books, editorials, articles, cartoons, talk shows, satire, songs, and websites; none of this is news.Â*Â*These are reactions to news.Â*Â*They can be as biased as they want.Â*Â*It’s up to the viewers of American politics to decide what they think.Â*Â*

[Elrathin]

News has ALWAYS been biased in one form or another. I will admit not as much then as now, but yes, even then there was bias. Just look at how the news in the U.S. reported about other countries. It was biased towards the U.S. in how they reported things.

Now we have a polarization of liberal/conservative biases.