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Alonzo
06-04-2008, 06:31 AM
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Heidi Post, left, and Stacy Lacaillade pose with their dog Sampson in preparation for their wedding in Rancho Palos Verdes, Calif. By some estimates, weddings and commitment ceremonies for same-sex couples generate $1 billion a year in revenue.

Business is up for hotels, bakers and photographers as same-sex couples prepare to wed.

By Alana Semuels, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
June 2, 2008
Forget economic stimulus checks. Same-sex marriages may give California just the financial boost it needs.

Wedding planners, bakers and hotels began booking more business almost immediately after the state Supreme Court's May 15 decision overturning a ban on gay marriage. Citing pent-up demand, one UCLA study projects that same-sex unions could provide a $370-million shot in the arm to the state economy over the next three years.

"Being in West Hollywood, we've been inundated," said Tom Rosa, owner of the Cake and Art bakery on Santa Monica Boulevard. "After the ruling, the phone really picked up."

Rosa said couples who had waited for decades to legally marry were splurging on 5-foot-tall confections shaped like carousels and cakes featuring handcrafted birds of paradise.

Mike Standifer and Marc Hammer were already planning a commitment ceremony for October, but when the court ruling came out, they decided to throw an even bigger bash and get married.

They plan on spending about $25,000, which includes renovations on their Hollywood home so they can have the party in their backyard. The new price tag includes rings, their suits and those of their wedding party, and the cost of flying in Standifer's priest from Tennessee -- all costs they wouldn't have incurred if they were just having a party.

"The wedding dynamic in the last two weeks changed everything," Standifer said. The wedding businesses he's worked with so far seem thrilled. "I think it's because the economy's not so great, but the vendors have been treating us like royalty," he said.

By some estimates, weddings and commitment ceremonies for same-sex couples generate $1 billion a year in revenue.

PlanetOut, a media and entertainment company that conducts surveys about gay and lesbian consumers, says gay consumers earn 20% more than their straight counterparts, on average, and spend about 10% more on nuptials.

The court ruling comes at a good time for many small wedding-related businesses, which are finding that their traditional customers are spending less on weddings because of the economy.

"Brides are being more frugal with things they don't see as a priority," said Richard Markel, president and director of the Assn. for Wedding Professionals International.

Things really slowed down in February, said Michael Willms, owner of Entertainment Design Events, an event planning company that's done big bashes such as a wedding for actress Lindsay Price, who stars in the NBC show "Lipstick Jungle."

But they've picked up now. The day after the ruling, Willms booked a $55,000 same-sex wedding.

"These weddings will be much more lavish," he said. "Everybody's been waiting for it to be legal to throw the big party."

California counties can begin issuing marriage licenses to same-sex couples beginning June 17.

M.V. Lee Badgett, research director at the Williams Institute on Sexual Orientation Law and Public Policy at the UCLA School of Law, estimates that gay weddings could provide a $370-million boost to the state economy.

That estimate presumes that about half of California's 92,000 same-sex couples will tie the knot, multiplied by $8,040, the amount of money from savings accounts that Badgett figures same-sex couples will use on their weddings.

Event planners, restaurants, tent and chair rental companies, florists, caterers and hotels should all get a piece of that pie, she said.

"There's an opportunity to get a big wedding windfall," she said.

There are, of course, some caveats. No one can accurately project how many gay couples will spend thousands on weddings. And the legality of gay weddings is potentially short-lived, as officials verify petition signatures for a proposed Nov. 4 ballot initiative that would prohibit same-sex marriage.

Still, wedding-related companies that traditionally market to the gay and lesbian community are finding business is picking up.

Mitch Goldstone, president of Irvine-based photo service ScanMyPhotos.com, said he had gotten more than 300 requests for wedding invitations with photos on them since the court ruling.

"I guess people are still concerned about dealing with unsympathetic local photo labs," he said.

Rosa, the baker, said a lesbian couple came to him for their cake after a bakery in San Bernardino said it was booked for the summer and couldn't make their wedding cake when a clerk saw the two women together.

Other businesses are trying to capture the attention of gay and lesbian couples.

Susan Goldman, a wedding photographer, registered the domain name biggayweddings.com a month ago so she could market her services to same-sex couples. The Ramada hotel in West Hollywood is promoting a honeymoon special, and the West Hollywood Marketing & Visitors Bureau is launching an ad in a magazine for the gay community, selling West Hollywood as a good place for weddings and honeymoons.

The bump in advertising targeted at same-sex couples is good for publications. Bill LaPointe, publisher of the Orange County and Long Beach Blade, anticipates a 10% to 15% increase in advertising from wedding vendors. The Blade caters to gay, lesbian and transgender readers.

Macy's published a full-page ad for its wedding and gift registry in the Los Angeles Times and San Francisco Chronicle on Wednesday, captioned "First comes love. Then comes marriage. And now it's a milestone every couple in California can celebrate."

Same-sex couples can obtain a marriage license in California whether or not they live in the state. That means hotels and airlines might see business from same-sex couples and their guests flying to California to marry.

"It will be the only place where couples from any state can be married legally," said Michael C. Green, president of the Palm Springs Hospitality Assn. and owner of the Triangle Inn, a Palm Springs hotel catering to gay men. That's a boon to places like Palm Springs, which is a popular gay resort destination.

"Our city has been barraged with phone calls from folks who want to come visit and find out how quickly we'll be able to issue licenses," he said.

Sue Jennings and the Rev. Cindi Love, executive director of the gay-oriented Metropolitan Community Churches, live in Texas but will fly to Los Angeles to get married this month. They're planning on spending about $5,000 on a dinner for their guests, flowers, a photographer and clothes for the wedding, even if it means a big credit card bill.

"We've been together 28 years," Love said. "We want to have a ceremony and that acknowledgment of one another."

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Katrolis
06-04-2008, 11:42 AM
Obviously American have forgotten the roots of the American culture. In God we trust, ten commandments, absolutes of right and wrong. Diluted have our biblical values become to satisfy the urges of perverse relationships, and sexual urges. Disipline has been forgotton.

If you don't like my point of view, than obviously you are shallow, uneducated, and blatently ignorant of true American culture. Simple as that...

Alonzo
06-04-2008, 05:11 PM
Obviously American have forgotten the roots of the American culture. In God we trust, ten commandments, absolutes of right and wrong. Diluted have our biblical values become to satisfy the urges of perverse relationships, and sexual urges. Disipline has been forgotton.

If you don't like my point of view, than obviously you are shallow, uneducated, and blatently ignorant of true American culture. Simple as that...

Is this sarcasm?

Katrolis
06-04-2008, 08:10 PM
Genisis 2:24

Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh

what standard to other men want their daughters to live by?

no im not being sarcastic, lol

hell no

Muser
06-04-2008, 08:25 PM
Is this sarcasm?

There's a certain event I'm predicting will occur in the not too distant future....

...until such future event, Katrolis is certain to add...um...spice, yeah, that's it, spice to the DF debates.

If you don't like my point of view, than obviously you are shallow, uneducated, and blatently ignorant of true American culture. Simple as that...

Ummm...might I suggest a less insulting and more conciliatory approach when debating at this site, regardless of topic - it will improve the readability of your opinion and improve your chances for longevity. We tries to keep it friendly here.

Oh, and I hope you're properly suited up after a response like that - you're not dealing with amateurs here, particularly Alonzo.

Rage
06-04-2008, 08:33 PM
Obviously American have forgotten the roots of the American culture. In God we trust, ten commandments, absolutes of right and wrong. Diluted have our biblical values become to satisfy the urges of perverse relationships, and sexual urges. Disipline has been forgotton.

If you don't like my point of view, than obviously you are shallow, uneducated, and blatently ignorant of true American culture. Simple as that...

The American culture is that of free will, and liberty. If people want to marry within the same sex, we should let them. What is uneducated is to make a remark that this is a perverse relationship. Be it that some people choose to be "gay" but most people are wired that way, and its a sin against god and nature to deny that feeling.

In order to be a good Christian, you need to whiff the culture of man, or else you can never fill that hole in your heart that lets rich men die poor and intelligent men die drunk.

Deadshot
06-04-2008, 08:34 PM
American culture changes. Welcome Gay marriage and move forward

davo
06-05-2008, 07:59 PM
Yes American culture changes, as do all cultures, but this is change for the worse.

Alonzo
06-05-2008, 08:35 PM
Yes American culture changes, as do all cultures, but this is change for the worse.

I think Massachusetts culture changed for the better. Plus, on a personal level, I got to laugh at all the religious nutcases who ranted and raved against gay's and impending doom at Boston city hall.

I particularly enjoyed what I saw around mid-day on the first day same-sex marriage was legal. There was this very flamboyant gay man who had been a christian missionary and he was arguing with a preacher with stereotypical suit and slick backed hair. I'd never seen the gay guy before, or since, but the preacher I'd seen at multiple events before. They ended up having a very public debate on biblical passages and the preacher got absolutely hammered, multiple times he simply had no response to the gay ex-missionary. He just stared at him.

davo
06-05-2008, 08:45 PM
Although I'm agnostic, I don't believe the current craze embracing every form of degeneracy to demonstrate we are tolereant and progressive is all that healthy for society. I can agree that religious leaders and their supporters can get quite irrational on such issues, but homosexuality is condemned in the bible in multiple verses in both testaments, and its pretty clear the bible disapproves of homosexuality. So they do have a point in highlighting this, otherwise they'd be going against the faith they supposedly preach.

Elrathin
06-06-2008, 04:31 PM
... but homosexuality is condemned in the bible in multiple verses in both testaments, and its pretty clear the bible disapproves of homosexuality. So they do have a point in highlighting this, otherwise they'd be going against the faith they supposedly preach.

Adultry is also wrong in the bible as well as divorce, when will we see the conservatives calls to make those illegal? Oh yeah we won't, because MANY of them participate in those.

davo
06-06-2008, 04:54 PM
Adultry is also wrong in the bible as well as divorce, when will we see the conservatives calls to make those illegal? Oh yeah we won't, because MANY of them participate in those.

I agree with your point that if homosexuality is wrong then adultery and divorce is wrong as well. They are not victimless crimes IMHO

Alonzo
06-06-2008, 05:00 PM
I've known more victims of marriage than victims of divorce in my life.

I'm not saying marriage is bad, but sometimes it's far better for kids, and spouses, to get out when they can.

Elrathin
06-06-2008, 06:02 PM
I agree with your point that if homosexuality is wrong then adultery and divorce is wrong as well. They are not victimless crimes IMHO

Then where are the conservatives to make them ALL illegal then? See that is why conservatives get called on hypocrisy so much because they pick and choose which ones they want to make illegal simply basing it on how many they themselves are a part of.

This also gives credit to those that say we are NOT a Christian nation, because if we truly were, than those choices would be illegal. No, we are a nation of choices with a majority of people that happen to CLAIM they are Christian.