9/11 Pentagon Plane

[Labrocca]

I just found this in another thread. It's a great movie. The Loose Change and other conspiracy sites focus on the Pentagon attack and theorize it may have been a missile or something other than the American Airlines jet.

Watch this.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=4q35xHzjxB0

Notice the plane turn to dust.

Also...as an eye witness of the NYC WTC 2nd plane attack..one thing that was shocking was when I saw the plane hit. It became nothing. It was like the plane was made of glass.

Attachment in case the link goes bad.

[PittsburghAfterDark]

The idiots that post the missile theory fail to realize that the Pentagon was built with the knowledge that it would be a military target and its construction reflects that.

Compress your hands on both ends of an empty Coke can. What happens, the can collapses and loses all volume it once had.

Now the same example applies to a passenger jet and a hardened object like the Pentagon. The overall volume of the jet is similar to a Coke can. Empty. Once it meets a solid object physics takes over and it will collapse like the can.

There is no solid mass in a jet airliner of substance. The damage comes from the burning fuel. The most dense part of the aircraft is going to be the engines. The rest is lightweight aluminum.

I mean, c'mon, you're not talking advanced physics here. You can't get something with the density of a Mack Truck engine block or Dash 8 locomotive airborne! You're dealing with a relatively flimsy object to begin with.

[operator kos]

You may be interested in this site here (http://www.911review.com/errors/pentagon/index.html) which argues that the 9/11 attacks were aided and abetted by people in the US government and military, but says that Flight 77 did hit the Pentagon.

[Labrocca]

BUMP...for those that missed this video.

Again...conspiracy theorists have a LOT to explain. Four aircraft...3 attacks...1 attempted attack. A conspiracy by our government would take immense resources to execute and cover up vs the truth which took a couple dozen radical islamic terrorists.

[Big Dave]

When did missiles get huge turbofan engines and the fifteen foot long landing gear forgings they dragged intact out of the Pentagon?

The very inaccuracy of the attack shows it was not a missile. Any competent E-4 missile programmer could put a Tomahawk right in Rumsfeld's office window. The knucklehead flying Flight 77 nearly missed one of the largest buildings in the world.

[jafar00]

Yes we still have no pictures of a plane heading for the Pentagon despite dozens of security cameras pointing that way.

If as according to Labrocca's video, the plane would have vapourised on impact, why is there a small hole punching through several rings of the Pentagon? Wouldn't that require some kind of armour piercing ability?

Then there is the difficult task of flying a large passenger jet, just a few feet off the ground at 500 mph which even the most daring of stunt pilots would not be able to do without leaving some sort of gouge in the lawn in front before impact.

Yet the amazing lawn they have installed at the Pentagon, which is obviously a top secret, gouge resistant lawn we aren't allowed to know about.

http://www.rense.com/1.imagesD/Pentagon_lawn.JPG

[Big Dave]

Any competent pilot with more than rudimentary acquaintance with trim controls or the three-axis auto-pilot could have easily dove that airliner into the center ring. That did not happen.

A missile programmer could have put a missile in any window he liked. That did not happen.

A meathead trying to fly a heavy airliner with just yoke and throttle is lucky to have hit the building at all. That is precisely what we saw.

[jafar00]

I tried several times to do it myself on Flight Simulator and I'm quite a good sim pilot (Senior Captain at a Virtual Airline). I couldn't. I end up either crashing before I got there or completely missing because I was too high. It's simply impossible to fly that low and fast in a 737 or 757 without either scraping the ground, crashing or smashing into another obstacle before getting to the Pentagon. In real life there are other obstacles in the way also.

You can see in the few frames of blurry security cam video they have bothered to release, that whatever the object is that hit the Pentagon, it skimmed very low to the ground before hitting.

A "meathead" who could barely keep a single engine Cessna in the air is very unlikely to be able to pull this one off.

[Labrocca]

From Popular Mechanics.

FACT: When American Airlines Flight 77 hit the Pentagon's exterior wall, Ring E, it created a hole approximately 75 ft. wide, according to the ASCE Pentagon Building Performance Report. The exterior facade collapsed about 20 minutes after impact, but ASCE based its measurements of the original hole on the number of first-floor support columns that were destroyed or damaged. Computer simulations confirmed the findings.

Why wasn't the hole as wide as a 757's 124-ft.-10-in. wingspan? A crashing jet doesn't punch a cartoon-like outline of itself into a reinforced concrete building, says ASCE team member Mete Sozen, a professor of structural engineering at Purdue University. In this case, one wing hit the ground; the other was sheared off by the force of the impact with the Pentagon's load-bearing columns, explains Sozen, who specializes in the behavior of concrete buildings. What was left of the plane flowed into the structure in a state closer to a liquid than a solid mass. "If you expected the entire wing to cut into the building," Sozen tells PM, "it didn't happen."

The tidy hole in Ring C was 12 ft. wide--not 16 ft. ASCE concludes it was made by the jet's landing gear, not by the fuselage.

In essence the plane disintegrated against the concrete as in the video above. That video is stark evidence that a plane hitting a concrete reinforced retaining wall will certainly turn an entire plane into dust.
Burp.

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. But my *Terror Suspect* alarm just went off.
2. Jafar said he's been in some sort of flight training school.
3. Why is that jafar?
4. Whats your story?
5. We are all ears............
6. I think we need to learn more about this guy jafar.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[Labrocca]

Sorry bout that,

1. But my *Terror Suspect* alarm just went off.
2. Jafar said he's been in some sort of flight training school.
3. Why is that jafar?
4. Whats your story?
5. We are all ears............
6. I think we need to learn more about this guy jafar.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas


I KNEW that was coming.

[jafar00]

1. But my *Terror Suspect* alarm just went off.
2. Jafar said he's been in some sort of flight training school.
3. Why is that jafar?
4. Whats your story?
5. We are all ears............
6. I think we need to learn more about this guy jafar.


http://flightbase2000.com/ a very good, and all American Virtual Airline.

You know Microsoft Flight Simulator Chess? It's a Computer Game

I like to fly. I've even done a few long haul flights in the simulator and can sometimes be found flying online on the Vatsim virtual air traffic control network.
It's cool to pretend to be a real pilot, with ATC staffed by real people. Well, if you are a nerd. ;)

So Chess, if you want to report me to the <insert 3 letter anagram here> go right ahead. You might like to also report the 10's of thousands of other flight sim enthusiasts while you are at it too. :P
And no, I've never tried to crash into the WTC in the sim although I nearly crashed into Melbourne's Rialto tower while flight testing a new A380 model that still had a few bugs in it ;)[hr]
From Popular Mechanics.

FACT: When American Airlines Flight 77 hit the Pentagon's exterior wall, Ring E, it created a hole approximately 75 ft. wide, according to the ASCE Pentagon Building Performance Report. The exterior facade collapsed about 20 minutes after impact, but ASCE based its measurements of the original hole on the number of first-floor support columns that were destroyed or damaged. Computer simulations confirmed the findings.

Why wasn't the hole as wide as a 757's 124-ft.-10-in. wingspan? A crashing jet doesn't punch a cartoon-like outline of itself into a reinforced concrete building, says ASCE team member Mete Sozen, a professor of structural engineering at Purdue University. In this case, one wing hit the ground; the other was sheared off by the force of the impact with the Pentagon's load-bearing columns, explains Sozen, who specializes in the behavior of concrete buildings. What was left of the plane flowed into the structure in a state closer to a liquid than a solid mass. "If you expected the entire wing to cut into the building," Sozen tells PM, "it didn't happen."

The tidy hole in Ring C was 12 ft. wide--not 16 ft. ASCE concludes it was made by the jet's landing gear, not by the fuselage.

In essence the plane disintegrated against the concrete as in the video above. That video is stark evidence that a plane hitting a concrete reinforced retaining wall will certainly turn an entire plane into dust.
Burp.


Why wasn't there more wreckage outside of the building then? All we saw were a few scraps. and it a wing did hit the ground, where is the gouge in the lawn?

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,


[quote=chesswarsnow]
1. But my *Terror Suspect* alarm just went off.
2. Jafar said he's been in some sort of flight training school.
3. Why is that jafar?
4. Whats your story?
5. We are all ears............
6. I think we need to learn more about this guy jafar.


http://flightbase2000.com/ a very good, and all American Virtual Airline.

You know Microsoft Flight Simulator Chess? It's a Computer Game

I like to fly. I've even done a few long haul flights in the simulator and can sometimes be found flying online on the Vatsim virtual air traffic control network.
It's cool to pretend to be a real pilot, with ATC staffed by real people. Well, if you are a nerd. ;)

So Chess, if you want to report me to the <insert 3 letter anagram here> go right ahead. You might like to also report the 10's of thousands of other flight sim enthusiasts while you are at it too. :P
And no, I've never tried to crash into the WTC in the sim although I nearly crashed into Melbourne's Rialto tower while flight testing a new A380 model that still had a few bugs in it ;)[hr][quote=Labrocca]
From Popular Mechanics.

[


1. Some how I don't believe you.
2. My *Terror Suspect* is screaming now.
3. This kind of story doesn't add up, to *The Great CWN*.
4. Basically what we have here a Muslim who says, he likes to pretend to fly Airplanes.
5. Not buying it, sorry bout that.
6. Not for one minute.
7. Just be advised, there are many CIA spies in here, and looking at you very closely now.
8. I expect they are making every effort to find out where you live right now.
9. Take a look out the window, jafar, see the sedan parked outside?
10. They are listening to your cell conversations too.
11. They can pin point just where you are every second of your life.
12. Where ever you may be.
13. Step lightly jafar, and grow an eye ball out the back of your head, your going to need it.
14. Hehehehehehe,.........

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[jafar00]

1. Some how I don't believe you.
2. My *Terror Suspect* is screaming now.
3. This kind of story doesn't add up, to *The Great CWN*.
4. Basically what we have here a Muslim who says, he likes to pretend to fly Airplanes.
5. Not buying it, sorry bout that.
6. Not for one minute.
7. Just be advised, there are many CIA spies in here, and looking at you very closely now.
8. I expect they are making every effort to find out where you live right now.
9. Take a look out the window, jafar, see the sedan parked outside?
10. They are listening to your cell conversations too.
11. They can pin point just where you are every second of your life.
12. Where ever you may be.
13. Step lightly jafar, and grow an eye ball out the back of your head, your going to need it.
14. Hehehehehehe,.........


I'll just pop down with a couple of Gendarmes then and tell them they're nicked. Problem solved. :D