[SPLIT] In Honor of the troops Discussion

[Troubadour]

Please help me post their pictures and names to honor those who have died in service to our country.

Why do people keep saying the Iraq casualties happened "in service to our country"? It's not true, and the people who say it are perfectly aware of that.

[PostmodernProphet]

Why do people keep saying the Iraq casualties happened "in service to our country"? It's not true, and the people who say it are perfectly aware of that.

it would only be untrue if the US is not your country....

[Pookie]

Oh, ouch, Troubador. They are doing their jobs for our military, just as they promised to do.
God bless them all.
Purrs,
Pookie

[jafar00]

People, this thread is just for posting of obituaries. Please discuss the politics of the war in other threads.

[Troubadour]

it would only be untrue if the US is not your country....

And that would only be true if "the US" means the military.

[Easy90]

Rather than only mourning the passing of a brave man (by some who only do so for the sake of a political agenda, insinuating that they died for nothing)....perhaps it's more fitting to celebrate the fact that he lived, and be thankful that people like him have made the ultimate sacrifice in order to keep us all free. As sad as I am for their ultimate sacrifice, I honor the fact that they lived, and send my heartfelt condolences to their families for their sacrifices also. They died in service to a (mostly) grateful nation.

[Troubadour]

Rather than only mourning the passing of a brave man (by some who only do so for the sake of a political agenda, insinuating that they died for nothing)

I don't insinuate, I state for a fact: They died for nothing. The proper response to that fact is to do right by the living, not to kill more in the psychotic belief that more corpses will validate those already buried.

They died in service to a (mostly) grateful nation.

No, they didn't. It's a pretty cheap lie for the person telling it, but a damned expensive one for the person who will never hear the empty praise directed at them in exchange for a life wasted serving criminals. The dead will sleep well no matter what is said of them, but lies are spoken to control the living, and for the living those lies must be fought with a full heart and open eyes. These people were ordered to their deaths by a tyrant.

[Easy90]

"No, they didn't. It's a pretty cheap lie for the person telling it, but a damned expensive one for the person who will never hear the empty praise directed at them in exchange for a life wasted serving criminals. The dead will sleep well no matter what is said of them, but lies are spoken to control the living, and for the living those lies must be fought with a full heart and open eyes. These people were ordered to their deaths by a tyrant" (Trubadour)

Sorry to have to inform you that most of the nation IS grateful...but then, by your answer, you've perfectly illustrated my point.

[Troubadour]

Me: "No, they didn't. It's a pretty cheap lie for the person telling it, but a damned expensive one for the person who will never hear the empty praise directed at them in exchange for a life wasted serving criminals. The dead will sleep well no matter what is said of them, but lies are spoken to control the living, and for the living those lies must be fought with a full heart and open eyes. These people were ordered to their deaths by a tyrant"


Sorry to have to inform you that most of the nation IS grateful...

For what?

but then, by your answer, you've perfectly illustrated my point.

You don't have a point. You're using corpses as decorations on your agenda.

[Elrathin]

Split the discussion from the obituary side. Please continue discussing here.

[ECW]

Just to make my involvement in this area clear, I post the obits in this thread because I respect the sacrifice that too many of us take for granted. Those of you who know me know I have been against this war since Day One but that is the political side of the coin. The military who fights the war, gets down in the trenches and takes the hits for those policies has nothing but my respect and ever-lasting honor. Their sacrifices are thereby noted.

ECW

[BoogyMan]

Well said ECW, well said. Guys, how about respecting the fact that the thread ECW is speaking of should be for memorials and helping to keep it that way.

[ECW]

I have no problem discussing the intent of the thread or any other aspect of what that thread is intended to do as long as it is HERE not there.

[AlanC]

I have no problem discussing the intent of the thread or any other aspect of what that thread is intended to do as long as it is HERE not there.

Well said.

[Easy90]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Easy90
Sorry to have to inform you that most of the nation IS grateful...

"For what?" (Troubadour)

Again...you unwittingly, but perfectly illustrate my point. You simply have no concept...and apparently informing you why most Americans are grateful is deemed by some of the mods here (who also have no clue) as some kind of attack...so suffice it to say, MOST Americans appreciate and understand the meaning of such sacrifice, and they celebrate the lives of those who made it....rather than use their deaths to pound the drums of political anti-war protest.

[namguy]

Why do people keep saying the Iraq casualties happened "in service to our country"? It's not true, and the people who say it are perfectly aware of that.

In service to the oil companies.

[Buck Laser]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Easy90
Sorry to have to inform you that most of the nation IS grateful...

"For what?" (Troubadour)

Again...you unwittingly, but perfectly illustrate my point. You simply have no concept...and apparently informing you why most Americans are grateful is deemed by some of the mods here (who also have no clue) as some kind of attack...so suffice it to say, MOST Americans appreciate and understand the meaning of such sacrifice, and they celebrate the lives of those who made it....rather than use their deaths to pound the drums of political anti-war protest.
Tell us again how commemorating the deaths of soldiers in Iraq is "pounding the drums of political anti-war protest," Easy. Looks to me to be just another of your numerous personal attacks.

[Troubadour]

Again...you unwittingly, but perfectly illustrate my point.

Again, you don't have a point. Somehow we're supposed to equate men who died defending their homes, their freedom, and their country from armies of conquest with men who are in an army of conquest and died pursuing a college fund? Republicans trivialize every real American soldier who ever lived, spouting this two-faced jingoism.


MOST Americans appreciate and understand the meaning of such sacrifice

Enlighten me about the profound patriotic significance of being killed trying to subjugate a captive population for a murdering tyrant as a career choice. The American people do not "appreciate and understand" this crap you're spouting - they just won't argue with it, because Republicans would go after them personally.


and they celebrate the lives of those who made it...

You don't celebrate a life by throwing it away.

rather than use their deaths to pound the drums of political anti-war protest.

There are no words for hypocrisy as absolute and insane as that statement. The lives of these people meant absolutely, positively nothing to those responsible for this war and their supporters, and they would drop a million more into the ground if they could. As for the dead and the living alike, while they wear the American flag on their arm, they have two choices - serve their country, OR fight in Iraq. If they choose to fight in Iraq, they are not acting as Americans, and certainly not as defenders of our republic. Do not tar this country with the crimes of your party and its glorious dictator.

[namguy]

Tell us again how commemorating the deaths of soldiers in Iraq is "pounding the drums of political anti-war protest," Easy. Looks to me to be just another of your numerous personal attacks.

No one is questioning the bravado of our troops.

[Easy90]

There are no words for hypocrisy as absolute and insane as that statement. (Troubadour)

Now now....No need for personal attacks.

You don't celebrate a life by throwing it away. (Troubadour)

Again, you illustrate my point. See...most Americans don't consider that a soldier who is killed in service to your country "threw his life away."...and that statement CLEARLY exposes your phony intent rather than a genuine "tribute" to the brave people you think are "fools" because they "threw their life away" for nothing.

[Buck Laser]

No one is questioning the bravado of our troops.
Nor am I. I just want to understand why Easy calls commemorating the deaths "anti-war."

[Easy90]

Nor am I. I just want to understand why Easy calls commemorating the deaths "anti-war."

Now Buck....you know lying like that is a form of personal attack, don't you? What happened to your "baby steps?"

[Troubadour]

Now now....No need for personal attacks.

No need for non sequiturs either.


See...most Americans don't consider that a soldier who is killed in service to your country "threw his life away."

And if the subject were troops who had died in service to America, that might be relevant. But the subject is troops whose lives were wasted subjugating Iraq.


...and that statement CLEARLY exposes your phony intent rather than a genuine "tribute" to the brave people you think are "fools" because they "threw their life away" for nothing.

There is no "phony intent" here (at least on my part) - I directly stated the fact that their lives were wasted, and I see nothing admirable in their actions. Both they and the people they've helped murder should be alive today.

[lily]

[b]

Again, you illustrate my point. See...most Americans don't consider that a soldier who is killed in service to your country "threw his life away."...and that statement CLEARLY exposes your phony intent rather than a genuine "tribute" to the brave people you think are "fools" because they "threw their life away" for nothing.

You see, now this is something I don't understand. You are arguing that Troubador has a "phony intent"........while you have a "genuine tribute". Yet we hide away the flag covered coffins as they come in. Fire photographers that dare take a picture of the planes loaded with the dead........just how is that paying tribute? Seems to me it's hiding it is the real shame. If more people were aware, then I think more would be up in arms about all this. You see the number 4,000+ and think nothing of it.......but if you saw the flag draped coffins, the utter and deep grief of the family..........that, sir would be paying tribute.

[ViolaLee]

Mods = thanks for splitting this away from the RIP thread.

I made the thread because these people are dying in service to our country. We should see their faces and read their names.

Especially on Memorial Day weekend.

[Buck Laser]

Now Buck....you know lying like that is a form of personal attack, don't you? What happened to your "baby steps?"
All right, Easy, that is a personal attack, and you know it well. I don't care one way or the another, but I think you oughta live by the same rules the rest of us do. :nana:

[namguy]

Mods = thanks for splitting this away from the RIP thread.

I made the thread because these people are dying in service to our country. We should see their faces and read their names.

Especially on Memorial Day weekend.

I have my own ideas about this war, and indeed the men & women fighting this war certainly have my up-most respect, inparticular the men & women that have given up their lives. Past that I've nothing more to say.

[ECW]

I don't insinuate, I state for a fact: They died for nothing.

NO, they did not. They died serving their country and the orders of their commander in chief. I disagree with what that retarded carpetbagger did in getting us into a war without end but troops follow orders and, sometimes, they die as a result. They all served the greater good in doing so and did not die for nothing. We learned from their deaths that engaging ourselves as the referee in a religious war means never coming home and there are 100 other lessons that we learned (or re-learned) but it was not for nothing.

The proper response to that fact is to do right by the living, not to kill more in the psychotic belief that more corpses will validate those already buried.

Thus you have stated the dilemma facing armies since the dawn of time but those in power do not seem to learn that very simple lesson, do they? It's not psychotic. It's stupidity at work.

No, they didn't. It's a pretty cheap lie for the person telling it, but a damned expensive one for the person who will never hear the empty praise directed at them in exchange for a life wasted serving criminals. The dead will sleep well no matter what is said of them, but lies are spoken to control the living, and for the living those lies must be fought with a full heart and open eyes. These people were ordered to their deaths by a tyrant.

They were ordered to carry out orders that came from an single-minded idiot with a screwed notion of what military action is capable of accomplishing but their deaths came at the hands of religious zealots who have been fighting the same war for more than a thousand years. Blame them.

Tyrants rarely have so much help in getting people killed so I am disputing your assertion that a tyrant ordered their deaths. Many people have the blood of our troops on their hands. Time to put a halt to it.

Rather than only mourning the passing of a brave man

I don't know where you have been the last 15 years but both men AND WOMEN are dying in combat and they have been since the Gulf War. Get your facts straight.

(by some who only do so for the sake of a political agenda,

And who would that be? And what's their political agenda?

insinuating that they died for nothing)....

Call your local farmer because that a mighty big load of bullshit you are spreading around and they could probably use some of it since you seem to possess an overabundance.

perhaps it's more fitting to celebrate the fact that he lived, and be thankful that people like him have made the ultimate sacrifice in order to keep us all free.

By doing what? What are you doing to celebrate the fact that our soldiers lived thru this huge fucking mess?

As sad as I am for their ultimate sacrifice, I honor the fact that they lived, and send my heartfelt condolences to their families for their sacrifices also. They died in service to a (mostly) grateful nation.

And you honor them by doing what? Volunteering at a Vet's Hospital? At the USO? Playing taps at the funerals? What exactly do you do to demonstrate that honor? I know what I am doing but I don't see a lot of evidence that you are, in fact, doing anything at all.

...so suffice it to say, MOST Americans appreciate and understand the meaning of such sacrifice, and they celebrate the lives of those who made it....rather than use their deaths to pound the drums of political anti-war protest.

Who is doing that? Who is pounding those drums?

When is it appropriate to protest against a war? After the war is over? Are you suggesting that people sit silently by and allow the war mongers to run every war without opposition? What exactly is your point?

There are no words for hypocrisy as absolute and insane as that statement.

Now now....No need for personal attacks.

Declaring that your statement is hypocrisy and insane IS NOT a personal attack because he was describing the statement. It becomes a personal attack when YOU become the target and are called hypocritical and insane. That did not happen here.


Nor am I. I just want to understand why Easy calls commemorating the deaths "anti-war."
Now Buck....you know lying like that is a form of personal attack, don't you?

Asking you a question about how you came to that conclusion is not a lie OR personal attack since you did equate the two ideas. I'm also wondering if you have an answer to that charge.

We'll see if the participants are willing to respond to the questions posed here.

[Troubadour]

They died serving their country

Take a step back and explain this carefully - what part of what they're doing in Iraq involves "serving their country"?

and the orders of their commander in chief.

American soldiers are obligated by the military law, their induction oaths, and their duties as citizens to disobey illegal orders. Those "serving" in Iraq are in violation of all three.

They all served the greater good in doing so

They served "the greater good" by being instruments of treason? I never cease to be shocked and horrified by the level of brainwashing I run into on this subject.

We learned from their deaths that engaging ourselves as the referee in a religious war means never coming home and there are 100 other lessons that we learned (or re-learned) but it was not for nothing.

A paltry rationalization. We can equally say that teenagers who drunk drive off a cliff didn't die for nothing, because someone might be more careful as a result. There is a fact that is being ignored, but it needs to be said over and over until people understand it: A soldier's duty is to defend the Constitution - it is the sole embodiment and blueprint of our republic, the sole basis of their superiors' authority, and the sole purpose of the existence of the armed forces. Their duty is NOT to defend our "security," peace of mind, or "interests," let alone the interests of a political party, group of corporations, or one tyrannical, treasonous piece of trash. The order to deploy to Iraq has zero authority.


They were ordered to carry out orders that came from an single-minded idiot with a screwed notion of what military action is capable of accomplishing but their deaths came at the hands of religious zealots who have been fighting the same war for more than a thousand years. Blame them.

The overwhelming majority of "the enemy" are Iraqis living in their own country, and excuse me, they have every right to defend it against a foreign conqueror they had never attacked. Our military has no right to be there, period.


Tyrants rarely have so much help in getting people killed so I am disputing your assertion that a tyrant ordered their deaths.

Indeed rarely - once in Germany in the 1930s, and again in the United States at the beginning of the 21st century. The invasion and occupation of Iraq has already gone down in history with the invasion and occupation of Poland.

[Easy90]

Some of the respondents above clearly illustrate my point again. Thank you.

However on this Memorial Day, it's fitting for everyone to pause and reflect again, and think of the thousands of brave soldiers who have sacrificed everything for us...including those who've recently passed in service NO LESS HONORABLE than the hundreds of thousands who have gone before them. Perhaps in this climate of hate and political rancor, their sacrifices are even more significant...The vast majority of Americans appreciate and celebrate that they lived, and mourn their deaths...because they understand what it is that makes this nation special... Some (obviously) don't...but that's their loss, but in a free society, there will always be that kind of people...

This weekend is a time for all Americans to fly the flag high and give a moment of their time to thank a living vet, and remember those who gave everything.

[Troubadour]

Some of the respondents above clearly illustrate my point again.

They illustrate the shrieking vacuum where your point would be if you had one. Let the astroturfing begin...


However on this Memorial Day, it's fitting for everyone to pause and reflect again

pausing...
reflecting...
Yup - what you're saying is still dimestore Bavarian propaganda.


and think of the thousands of brave soldiers who have sacrificed everything for us...

As well as the countless Republicans marionetting their corpses into a chorus line...


including those who've recently passed in service NO LESS HONORABLE than the hundreds of thousands who have gone before them.

And not including those who didn't.


Perhaps in this climate of hate and political rancor...

...and jaw-dropping irony....


their sacrifices are even more significant...

Not to mention useful to those who killed them.


The vast majority of Americans appreciate and celebrate that they lived

The vast majority of Americans never knew they lived until they died, and opposed the policies that wasted their lives from the beginning.


because they understand what it is that makes this nation special...

Which is, apparently, unquestioning obedience.


Some (obviously) don't...but that's their loss, but in a free society, there will always be that kind of people...

And there will always be those eager to wallow in the symbols and rhetoric of martial pride from a safe distance.


This weekend is a time for all Americans to fly the flag high

Mine will be at half-staff.


and give a moment of their time to thank a living vet

Right - just assume because they wore a uniform they did something for America, and trivialize those who actually did - just to make one's self feel patriotic at no personal cost. Well done.

and remember those who gave everything.

Who gave everything to stop armies of conquest, and would have spat on those who call themselves Americans fighting in one.

[Easy90]

Thanks again T...for illustrating my original point. Apparently you digest every word I write...(which is far more than I do with your musings.) ...and try to spin it into a way to express your hate for everything American. I pity you.

[Troubadour]

Apparently you digest every word I write...

Insipid platitudes are easy to digest - that's why they're used to spread poison.

which is far more than I do with your musings

I'm well aware of the amount of intellectual effort invested in your responses.


...and try to spin it into a way to express your hate for everything American.

When you want to test that theory by saying something American, let me know.

I pity you.

I doubt it.

[Muser]

Whether you believe they died for everything - or died for nothing - they deserve to be honored.

[Easy90]

Whether you believe they died for everything - or died for nothing - they deserve to be honored.

Hear! Hear!

[namguy]

Take a step back and explain this carefully - what part of what they're doing in Iraq involves "serving their country"?



American soldiers are obligated by the military law, their induction oaths, and their duties as citizens to disobey illegal orders. Those "serving" in Iraq are in violation of all three.



They served "the greater good" by being instruments of treason? I never cease to be shocked and horrified by the level of brainwashing I run into on this subject.



A paltry rationalization. We can equally say that teenagers who drunk drive off a cliff didn't die for nothing, because someone might be more careful as a result. There is a fact that is being ignored, but it needs to be said over and over until people understand it: A soldier's duty is to defend the Constitution - it is the sole embodiment and blueprint of our republic, the sole basis of their superiors' authority, and the sole purpose of the existence of the armed forces. Their duty is NOT to defend our "security," peace of mind, or "interests," let alone the interests of a political party, group of corporations, or one tyrannical, treasonous piece of trash. The order to deploy to Iraq has zero authority.



The overwhelming majority of "the enemy" are Iraqis living in their own country, and excuse me, they have every right to defend it against a foreign conqueror they had never attacked. Our military has no right to be there, period.



Indeed rarely - once in Germany in the 1930s, and again in the United States at the beginning of the 21st century. The invasion and occupation of Iraq has already gone down in history with the invasion and occupation of Poland.

Brainwashing by the government is exactly correct.

[Troubadour]

Whether you believe they died for everything - or died for nothing - they deserve to be honored.

So you're telling me honor is an entitlement the moment someone puts on shiny boots and a spiffy uniform, no matter what they do?

http://kassandraproject.files.wordpress.com/2007/11/brainwashing02.gif

[Muser]

So you're telling me honor is an entitlement the moment someone puts on shiny boots and a spiffy uniform, no matter what they do?

Tsk tsk - don't you know left turns are wasteful?

Where were we...ah yes, remembering and honoring members of our military who've died while in service, primarily those who've perished during wartime conflicts. Any or all of them.

[namguy]

Tsk tsk - don't you know left turns are wasteful?

Where were we...ah yes, remembering and honoring members of our military who've died while in service, primarily those who've perished during wartime conflicts. Any or all of them.

I've said enough about this subject, I've nothing more positive to say.

[Troubadour]

Where were we...ah yes, remembering and honoring members of our military who've died while in service, primarily those who've perished during wartime conflicts. Any or all of them.

Again, you're not listening or thinking about the questions I'm asking - you're reciting pious words hammered into our heads as children.

[Easy90]

Again, you're not listening or thinking about the questions I'm asking - you're reciting pious words hammered into our heads as children.

Again...you prove my point to have been dead on. You don't see that...do you? Incredible! LOL! Your mouth-foaming hate blinds you to reality.

[Waffletush]

Well said ECW, well said. Guys, how about respecting the fact that the thread ECW is speaking of should be for memorials and helping to keep it that way.

Because that is complete and utter BS.

Why is it they only post 'memorials' about troops who died IN IRAQ. Why is it, when given a chance, they did not, do not, and will not, 'memorialize' those who died in Somalia? If they truly support those who died while in service to our country, why don't they post about those who died in other wars? Why is it they only post 'memorials' about troops who died in a war they disagree with?

Answer, becasue this is the new Liberal way of 'supporting the troops' while being against the war. They found a loophole of-sorts to turn the who-supports-the-troops-more shoe on right-wingers (was going for most hypens in a sentence there). If you argue why they are posting these 'memorials' they will argue 'what YOU don't spport the troops?'. These 'memorials' are for political purposes, plain and simple.

Look, I am not arguing the fact ECW has mentioned that he supports the sacrifices our troops make; I will argue how he, VoilaLee and others are going about it. To politically single out and 'memorialize' only those who die in a war you are against is repulsive. All that does is cheapen the sacrifices others have made for our country.

No offense.

[Muser]

Again, you're not listening or thinking about the questions I'm asking - you're reciting pious words hammered into our heads as children.

Thanks for not pointing out that I conflated this thread with the "Memorial Day 2008" thread - I've kicked myself enough for the both of us. :thumbsup:

<ahem> Back to the topic...those that sign up for military service do so for any number of reasons, some having little to do with patriotism. They do know...or will in short order...that their lives are no longer their own, and can be potentially given up and sacrificed at any time, whether the cause be noble and just - or not.

Regardless of where you choose to place your faith - they're fighting for a noble and just cause or they're being used as pawns in an illegal war - their deaths deserve respectful, solemn recognition for being a casualty of war on so many, many levels.

[lily]

Because that is complete and utter BS.

Why is it they only post 'memorials' about troops who died IN IRAQ. Why is it, when given a chance, they did not, do not, and will not, 'memorialize' those who died in Somalia? If they truly support those who died while in service to our country, why don't they post about those who died in other wars? Why is it they only post 'memorials' about troops who died in a war they disagree with?

Waffle...........feel free to start a thread titled In honor of the troops that died in Somalia.

Answer, becasue this is the new Liberal way of 'supporting the troops' while being against the war. They found a loophole of-sorts to turn the who-supports-the-troops-more shoe on right-wingers (was going for most hypens in a sentence there).

A loophole????? Okey dokey.


If you argue why they are posting these 'memorials' they will argue 'what YOU don't spport the troops?'. These 'memorials' are for political purposes, plain and simple.

Hmmmmm.........Odd, I haven't seen that argument made in how many posts? I'll have to check. I know this thread is at leat 4 pages long and I know the other one is way past that........so I think you may be projecting.

[BoogyMan]

Because that is complete and utter BS.

Why is it they only post 'memorials' about troops who died IN IRAQ. Why is it, when given a chance, they did not, do not, and will not, 'memorialize' those who died in Somalia? If they truly support those who died while in service to our country, why don't they post about those who died in other wars? Why is it they only post 'memorials' about troops who died in a war they disagree with?

Answer, becasue this is the new Liberal way of 'supporting the troops' while being against the war. They found a loophole of-sorts to turn the who-supports-the-troops-more shoe on right-wingers (was going for most hypens in a sentence there). If you argue why they are posting these 'memorials' they will argue 'what YOU don't spport the troops?'. These 'memorials' are for political purposes, plain and simple.

I have to admit that when they first started that thread I thought exactly as you do Waffle, but I haven't seen any of that kind of rhetoric coming out of that thread which has made me look at my suspicions as being invalid.


Look, I am not arguing the fact ECW has mentioned that he supports the sacrifices our troops make; I will argue how he, VoilaLee and others are going about it. To politically single out and 'memorialize' only those who die in a war you are against is repulsive. All that does is cheapen the sacrifices others have made for our country.

No offense.

No offense taken Waffle as you have every right to your view, I just haven't seen that thread used in the fashion you have alluded to.

[Waffletush]

Waffle...........feel free to start a thread titled In honor of the troops that died in Somalia.

I did, shortly after the 'memorial' for the Iraq deaths was started.

Now find me one post from someone who is against the Iraq War who paid tribute to those soldiers who died.

[Waffletush]

I have to admit that when they first started that thread I thought exactly as you do Waffle, but I haven't seen any of that kind of rhetoric coming out of that thread which has made me look at my suspicions as being invalid.

Look at how the people have viewed our military, what they have said about them, and now how there is an attempt to justify 'supporting' them. You cannot be disgusted on one hand, and supportive on the other when it suits your needs.

No offense taken Waffle as you have every right to your view, I just haven't seen that thread used in the fashion you have alluded to.

Silent protests are funny.

The 'memorial', and it's intent, to the Iraq troops ranks right up there with that pastor who protested 'God Hates Fags' at the troops funerals.

Using the deaths of troops for political neuances (sp) is low.

Why not support them, by letting them rest... in peace.

[ECW]

Well said ECW, well said. Guys, how about respecting the fact that the thread ECW is speaking of should be for memorials and helping to keep it that way.Because that is complete and utter BS.

Speaking of complete and utter BS, look what the cat dragged in.

Why is it they only post 'memorials' about troops who died IN IRAQ.

Because that is the war currently being fought. Feel free to memorialize troops from other wars whenever you want.

Why is it, when given a chance, they did not, do not, and will not, 'memorialize' those who died in Somalia?

Because that war is done and over with as far as Americans were concerned since 1993 fully five years before I posted anything on an Internet message board. Any excuse to carry out one of your famous partisan rants, though.

If they truly support those who died while in service to our country, why don't they post about those who died in other wars?

If you truly support those who died in service to our country, why don't you start a thread of your own? If you truly support those who died in service to our country, why don't you post in the thread that ViolaLee started? If you truly support those who died in service to our country, why don't you start a thread about those who died in the Gulf War? If you truly support those who died in service to our country, why don't you do more than piss and bitch about it on a forum?

Because you just want to rant about something and someone doing something you refuse to do.

Why is it they only post 'memorials' about troops who died in a war they disagree with?

Because it is the only war going, that's why. Are you attempting to get me to advocate a war that I would agree with or are you unable to appreciate the fact that a Liberal honors our troops while you have sat by silently all these months? Don't bother answering that... it's the latter.

Answer, becasue this is the new Liberal way of 'supporting the troops' while being against the war.

Nothing new about Liberals supporting the troops. What is new (at least in the last 7 or so years) is how it sticks in the craw of rightwingers like yourself as if you had sole claim to support our troops. You don't and it shows.

They found a loophole of-sorts to turn the who-supports-the-troops-more shoe on right-wingers (was going for most hypens in a sentence there).

Congratulations on proving the point I just made.

If you argue why they are posting these 'memorials' they will argue 'what YOU don't spport the troops?'.

Now you are becoming paranoid. No one has argued that and no one here will because that how Neocons argue and I do not qualify. Nice Strawman, though.

These 'memorials' are for political purposes, plain and simple.

Your rant fills that bill much better than anything I have done in the past 3 days and that is saying a lot given my history.

Look, I am not arguing the fact ECW has mentioned that he supports the sacrifices our troops make; I will argue how he, VoilaLee and others are going about it.

Just because neither one of us marches in lockstep to the Neocon drum beat and how YOU would go about it does not disqualify us from honoring our troops and paying our respects. Just like a Neocon to disparage anyone other than another rightwinger from doing right by our troops. I do vividly remember the whining and hand wringing that you and your ilk did after John Kerry introduced a bill to raise the amount of money paid to vets who died in this war not because you disagreed with the concept but, rather, the fact that Kerry thought of it and none of you did. All this is is more of the same.

To politically single out and 'memorialize' only those who die in a war you are against is repulsive. All that does is cheapen the sacrifices others have made for our country.

Here's your complete and utter bullshit. Your rant is what made it cheap. It is dismissed with the appropriate amount of distain it deserves.

No offense.

Offense taken and noted.

[ECW]

The 'memorial', and it's intent, to the Iraq troops ranks right up there with that pastor who protested 'God Hates Fags' at the troops funerals.



More bullshit.

Strawman.

I see you are right back where you left off.

[ECW]

I did, shortly after the 'memorial' for the Iraq deaths was started.

Now find me one post from someone who is against the Iraq War who paid tribute to those soldiers who died.

Find me one post from a rightwinger in the current thread. Yeah. I thought so.

[Waffletush]

So, ECW, where is your 'memorial' for those who have died in Afghanistan?

[ECW]

So, ECW, where is your 'memorial' for those who have died in Afghanistan?

Answer the questions I posed to you.

If you can.

I'll check back tomorrow to see if your partisan rant had any substance to it or if you just wanted to start a fight you couldn't finish.

[Waffletush]

So, ECW, where is your 'memorial' for those who have died in Afghanistan?

[Waffletush]

And to answer your 'question'... I let soldiers rest in peace; I don't try and cheapen their sacrifice by using them to gain political capital.

[Waffletush]

So, your turn ECW....

Where is your 'memorial' for those who have died in Afghanistan?

[ECW]

As I thought. You have no answers. Just bullshit.

Thanks for playing.

[Waffletush]

Because it <Iraq> [sic] is the only war going,

So, ECW, where is your 'memorial' for those who have died in Afghanistan?

[ECW]

So, ECW, where is your 'memorial' for those who have died in Afghanistan?

And to answer your 'question'... I let soldiers rest in peace; I don't try and cheapen their sacrifice by using them to gain political capital.

So which is it? Create a memorial that you will inevitably bash or post in the current thread only to have you come around whining about doing that?

My point stands. The only utter and complete bullshit here comes from you. Partisan ranting at it's best.

I'll keep posting in the Honor thread everyday and you keep doing what you do best: pissing, moaning, bitching and complaining because someone is doing something good that you did not think of first.

[Waffletush]

So which is it? Create a memorial that you will inevitably bash or post in the current thread only to have you come around whining about doing that?

How about you create a memorial that has nothing to do with political gain (Iraq only)?

And you know its comming....

So, ECW, where is your 'memorial' for those who have died in Afghanistan?

[Elrathin]

What I find amusing is a conservative (that hasn't done anything on this board to honor the troops) is harassing a liberal that has. Amazing.

Waffletush, it is not ECW's job to create a thread you want. How about if you want one YOU create it?

[Troubadour]

Again...you prove my point to have been dead on. You don't see that...do you? Incredible! LOL! Your mouth-foaming hate blinds you to reality.

sigh Where is Mother Mohiam when we need her?

[Waffletush]

What I find amusing is a conservative (that hasn't done anything on this board to honor the troops) is harassing a liberal that has. Amazing.

First off that is a lie. Have the board's standards lowered such that a moderator can jump in and just start being dishonest? Go back and re-read the thread.

Second off, you have assumed I am a conservative. Just becasue I disagree with you does not make me a conservative. I disagree with you, often, becasue you give no arguments to sway me in your direction.

Waffletush, it is not ECW's job to create a thread you want. How about if you want one YOU create it?

Is it also your job to only point out those who died in a war you disagreed with?

So, Elrathin, where is your 'memorial' for those who have died in Afghanistan?

[Elrathin]

First off that is a lie. Have the board's standards lowered such that a moderator can jump in and just start being dishonest? Go back and re-read the thread.

Well, then show us where you have created such a thread. Show me where I am saying something false?


Second off, you have assumed I am a conservative. Just becasue I disagree with you does not make me a conservative. I disagree with you, often, becasue you give no arguments to sway me in your direction.

Alright, so you aren't a conservative. However, the fact remains that you are badgering someone who has created a very good thread versus I haven't seen anything coming from you on a thread honoring the troops.


Is it also your job to only point out those who died in a war you disagreed with?

No, but I sure do enjoy pointing out the fact that I haven't seen anything from you on a thread honoring the troops, yet I have seen ECW doing just that AND maintaining such a thread to keep it going.


So, Elrathin, where is your 'memorial' for those who have died in Afghanistan?

I haven't created one. It is not my JOB to create threads, but if you would like one, why don't you make one.

[Waffletush]

Well, then show us where you have created such a thread. Show me where I am saying something false?

Alright, so you aren't a conservative. However, the fact remains that you are badgering someone who has created a very good thread versus I haven't seen anything coming from you on a thread honoring the troops.

No, but I sure do enjoy pointing out the fact that I haven't seen anything from you on a thread honoring the troops, yet I have seen ECW doing just that AND maintaining such a thread to keep it going.

Tell ya what. Why don't you go seach for it, shouldn't be all that hard to find a thread with Somalia in the title. Remember, just becasue you have not seen it, does not mean it doesn't exist. Once you find it, come back and issue an apology/retraction for your blatant falsehood.

If you are unwilling/incapabale of doing that, let' smake a deal. I post the link to the thread, and you disappear from this board for a week for pennance of your lying. If you can agree to that, I'll post the link to the thread. Otherwise, you can go find the thread youself. I doubt you will do either.

I haven't created one. It is not my JOB to create threads, but if you would like one, why don't you make one.

So, Elrathin, where is your 'memorial' for those who have died in Afghanistan?

[Elrathin]

If you are unwilling/incapabale of doing that, let' smake a deal. I post the link to the thread, and you disappear from this board for a week for pennance of your lying. If you can agree to that, I'll post the link to the thread. Otherwise, you can go find the thread youself. I doubt you will do either.

I can see school has gotten out for the summer :lmao:

Look, if you don't want to prove me wrong that is your deal. I don't make bets like that, but my comments stand until you can show otherwise lol.


So, Elrathin, where is your 'memorial' for those who have died in Afghanistan?

I haven't created one. It isn't my job. Where is your memorial for those who have died in Afghanistan.

[Waffletush]

I can see school has gotten out for the summer :lmao:

Look, if you don't want to prove me wrong that is your deal. I don't make bets like that, but my comments stand until you can show otherwise lol.

Thought so. You have been caught in a lie. Your weak attempt at coming in and saying 'Nu-uh!' is noted. It is not my job to prove my innocence (so-to-speak), it is your job to prove otherwise. You can't. I can. You have been lying from the moment you tried to jump back into the thread, and as such, since you continue to lie, your posts and points from here on out are worthless.

Let's up the ante. You prove that I DID NOT post a thread (ie I am lying), I will leave the board for six months. I prove that I DID (ie you are lying), and you leave the board for six months. Stand by your convictions as the old phrase says.... put up or shut up.



So, Elrathin, where is your 'memorial' for those who have died in Afghanistan?

[Elrathin]

So, Waffletush, where is your 'memorial' for those who have died in Afghanistan?

[Elrathin]

put up or shut up.

Look you are the one saying that you did post something to honor the troops, so prove it. The fact you don't is proof enough for me. Thanks for playing please try again.

[Buck Laser]

Look you are the one saying that you did post something to honor the troops, so prove it. The fact you don't is proof enough for me. Thanks for playing please try again.
El, in fairness to Waffletush, a considerable number of posts were lost when me made the transition to the new software. I think I remember seeing the topic he claims.

Nevertheless, I believe he did post it in a combative manner, hoping somehow to shame people who are against the war in Iraq. I don't think he believes it's possible to honor those who died and to disapprove of the war at the same time. But that's his loss, not ours, so I think it's better just to ignore his attempts to start something.

[Elrathin]

El, in fairness to Waffletush, a considerable number of posts were lost when me made the transition to the new software. I think I remember seeing the topic he claims.

True Buck that is a good point, thanks. I just find it funny that someone complains about ECW's thread honoring the troops when we haven't seen anything lately from that person putting forth the effort ECW, and others have in such a post.

[ViolaLee]

Here you go waffle. I don't really believe in rewarding a tantrum throwing child who repets his wants over and over again, but here you go anyway...

http://www.democracyforums.com/showthread.php?p=185167#post185167

[Buck Laser]

True Buck that is a good point, thanks. I just find it funny that someone complains about ECW's thread honoring the troops when we haven't seen anything lately from that person putting forth the effort ECW, and others have in such a post.
Oh, I agree. I just think it's dumb for someone to use a thread started and maintained in good faith to bash people. It saddens me daily to see the obituaries of young (and not so young) people who've given their lives in honorable service.

[ECW]

Here you go waffle. I don't really believe in rewarding a tantrum throwing child who repets his wants over and over again, but here you go anyway...

http://www.democracyforums.com/showthread.php?p=185167#post185167

Now we'll see if waffle does anything about it or will just piss and moan about the fact that someone (not himself) is publicly honoring the sacrifice of our troops.

You know it struck me as pretty hypocritical when, on the one hand, he creates a thread to honor the 31 troops that died in Somalia (under the administration of Bill Clinton 15 years after the fact) but finds it offensive that a thread was created to honor the troops of the Iraq War (under the administration of George Bush) and says to let the resting troops lie in peace. When I made that accusation of partisan bullshit on waffle's part, I did not realize how deep it really went. How deep is it? Get out your shovel...


Second off, you have assumed I am a conservative. Just becasue I disagree with you does not make me a conservative. I disagree with you, often, becasue you give no arguments to sway me in your direction.

More bullshit. I watched you and like minded name-callers on another board act out the conservative plot line on a daily basis for more than two years. If you were not a conservative, why did you belong to their caucus and private thread? Out of sympathy for their lack of members or because you felt sorry for them and wanted to help? Yeah, yeah. More Bullshit.

Don't try and pass that crap off on folks here because I'll call you out on it every time. Take great care who you call a liar here because there is ample proof for making the case in your direction as well.

BTW, Buck, ViolaLee created the thread honoring the troops, not me.

[Waffletush]

El, in fairness to Waffletush, a considerable number of posts were lost when me made the transition to the new software. I think I remember seeing the topic he claims.

Topic still exists. Elrathin just will not eitehr one, spend the time to look up "In Honor of the troops who died in Somalia, may they rest in peace", or two, already has looked it up, and cannot admit that he opened his mouth, and lied, due to public embarrasment.

edit: Hell, ECW just admitted he saw it. I don't believe he and I are on forming the same conspiracy here.

Nevertheless, I believe he did post it in a combative manner, hoping somehow to shame people who are against the war in Iraq.

I hope you are not following down Elrathin's path here, and lying about me without proof...

I don't think he believes it's possible to honor those who died and to disapprove of the war at the same time. But that's his loss, not ours, so I think it's better just to ignore his attempts to start something.

I never said that either. I said I was not questioning that people honor the dead troops, what I am questioning, and quite rightly pointing out beyond an reasonable doubt, was the tastelessness in which it was done. "Honoring" the dead for political purposes. Yeah, ther's a cuse we can all get behind.

[ECW]

"Honoring" the dead for political purposes. Yeah, ther's a cuse we can all get behind.

Hypocrisy abounds.

[Waffletush]

blah blah blah.
As mentioned before, using the troop's deaths for your political agenda is tastless. And more to the point, everytime someone owns you in a debate, all you can resort to is vuglar language, name-calling and personal attacks. I obivously hit this one right on the head.

And no, I don't consider myself a conservative. What is truly funny here is we both disagree with the war in Iraq, albeit for different reasons, but since I don't goose-step with you, I MUST be a Bush loving, Neo-Con conservative. Maybe you are so far left, as in DailyKos left, that anything else, even a moderate liberal, will look extreme in your eyes. Maybe?

You have missed the pitch from day one.

I don't hav ethe time for your hate-filled rants. If you are not using the troop's deaths for political purposes, prove it. I presented a case as to you not doing do, and all you could do was swear, get mad and make personal attacks.

In the words of Ruby Rod.... "BzzZZzzZZZzzZZZzzz!!!"

[Waffletush]

You know it struck me as pretty hypocritical when, on the one hand, he creates a thread to honor the 31 troops that died in Somalia (under the administration of Bill Clinton 15 years after the fact) but finds it offensive that a thread was created to honor the troops of the Iraq War (under the administration of George Bush) and says to let the resting troops lie in peace. When I made that accusation of partisan bullshit on waffle's part, I did not realize how deep it really went. How deep is it? Get out your shovel...

Somalia is the PERFECT example of you all using the Iraq deaths for your own gain. No liberal will touch a discussion on Somalia. Why?

Because their Numero Uno - Bill Clinton - was CinC when it happened, and he would bear the RESPONSIBILITY for it.

Because Bill Clinton's foreign policy FALIED so miserably in Somalia that it forced the US military to change it's ROE.

Because Somalia WAS a civil war.

Because the bodies of US troops WERE displayed on television for all to see.

Yet, for some reason, these are not deaths liberals seem willing to 'honor'.

Can't imagin why.

[Easy90]

Blah... You anti's are disgusting! You know Americans respect our military...so you pretend to "honor the troops" but just not what they do. So transparent!

[lily]

I am so confused. ECW, Viola Lee and for a short time, I were the only contributors to the Iraqi Troops honor thread. Nothing was said, we just posted the names, sometimes pictures, mostly with stories of who they were, and their death notice......nothing else, no commentary, just honoring those that died. Then I stopped, Ecw went and tended to real life business.....then one day, Troubadour went off, the thread was split and now, after a long absense (glad to see you back, Waffle) all of a sudden this is somehow political?

This administration hides the flag draped coffins, it's somehow shameful to them. Viola has done nothing but honor those that died and maybe made some aware, of the men and women who have died.........to say this is some kind of loophole to bash the troops, well........is rather crazy. She maintained it, she kept the thread alive and now for this she is being villified?

I've seen some crazy stuff written here, but I do have to say, this takes the cake.

[ECW]

As mentioned before, using the troop's deaths for your political agenda is tastless.

Given that you began your Somalia thread FIVE DAYS after ViolaLee created her thread on the Iraq War, that description fits you much, much more than that it fits me. Nice try. No cigar.

You went off and listed all 31 troops that died. What was anyone else supposed to do, repeat the list in parrot-like fashion so they could go on the record as honoring those troops or join in a chorus of "me, too"s to prove a point? Your complaint is baseless and has been from the start.

Strike one.

And more to the point, everytime someone owns you in a debate, all you can resort to is vuglar language, name-calling and personal attacks. I obivously hit this one right on the head.

The trouble with that little assertion is your claim that you owned me in this debate. That's not happened when you have been my opponent and it sure as didn't happen this time, except, maybe, in your own mind.

Don't forget, pal, it was you who started with the vulgar language. I'm only handing it back to you in spades. How quickly you whine over being handed some of your own medicine. Complete and utter bullshit, indeed.

If you think there was a personal attack somewhere in there, report it. There are mods ready and waiting to handle your complaint. Calling you out on your bullshit, especially after you called people here "liars" hardly qualifies, except, maybe, in your own mind.

As for getting hit on the head (notwithstanding the self-congratulatory cheerleading), that may have happened to you. It would explain how this is all got started.

Strike two.

And no, I don't consider myself a conservative. What is truly funny here is we both disagree with the war in Iraq, albeit for different reasons, but since I don't goose-step with you, I MUST be a Bush loving, Neo-Con conservative. Maybe you are so far left, as in DailyKos left, that anything else, even a moderate liberal, will look extreme in your eyes. Maybe?

Oooooh, a Daily Kos reference. I'm shaking in my boots. Laughable but not unexpected when the facts of your baseless claims stare you in the face.

You may not consider yourself to be a conservative but that's not the persona you have adopted here at this forum. Your past behavior and comments are still very clear to me and you have never NEVER been anything but a conservative. I remember the Piranha Parties all too well for you to make that claim in any seriousness.

There are a few other people here who have pretended to be something they are not and I have sniffed them out as well. Sorry. I did not realize you wanted to be outed. :scared:

You have missed the pitch from day one.

...and now a baseball reference. Strike three. You're out.

I don't hav ethe time for your hate-filled rants. If you are not using the troop's deaths for political purposes, prove it. I presented a case as to you not doing do, and all you could do was swear, get mad and make personal attacks.

In the words of Ruby Rod.... "BzzZZzzZZZzzZZZzzz!!!"

I didn't start this argument but I will hang around to finish it.

You started the 'hate-filled rant' and I gave it back to you. Tough stuff if you don't like it. I don't care if you do or you don't.

I'm not going to prove anything to you because my words and my dedication to the thread in question speak for themselves. If there partisan motives involved, there are plenty of rightwingers here ready and waiting to jump all over anything I come up with and not one of them said "Boo" about that thread until you rolled your sorry self back into Dodge. Kind of makes your beef about my motives into so much swiss cheese.

As for presenting a case, if you presented that lame excuse of a case (which amounted to calling bullshit on me and accusing me of engaging in the thread to one-up conservatives and Bushies and offered NOT ONE IOTA OF PROOF) in a court of law, you would have been laughed out the door.

And who the hell put you in charge that I have to prove anything? No one, and that's the point.

Case dismissed.

[ECW]

Somalia is the PERFECT example of you all using the Iraq deaths for your own gain. No liberal will touch a discussion on Somalia. Why?

Because their Numero Uno - Bill Clinton - was CinC when it happened, and he would bear the RESPONSIBILITY for it.

Because Bill Clinton's foreign policy FALIED so miserably in Somalia that it forced the US military to change it's ROE.

Because Somalia WAS a civil war.

Because the bodies of US troops WERE displayed on television for all to see.

Yet, for some reason, these are not deaths liberals seem willing to 'honor'.

Can't imagin why.

Thus proving that your rant is so totally partisan out of jealousy that no one followed your drum banging about Clinton's failure in Somalia with a chorus of "Me, too's". You have been outed again.

Pathetic.

[ECW]

Blah... You anti's are disgusting! You know Americans respect our military...so you pretend to "honor the troops" but just not what they do. So transparent!

Thanks for jumping in.

You failed to answer any of the questions I posed to you. Go back and give it a try.

[Waffletush]

<insert long rant here>

Honestly I didn't read any of that, but I bet I can sum it up.

Waffletush, I am still missing the point that you are not questioning if I support the troops, rather you are questioning, what you call, the tasteless manner in which I did it. You are an arrogant scum sucking bushbot who knows nothing but hate as you believe all the lies you are fed from an arrogant administration. Yes, I labeled Iraq a civil war, but what was I supposed to do, the New York Tiems said it was. I will never admit if I make a mistake, rather, I will throw vulgar terms at you in hopes it clouds the excellent point you made. Since I could not beat you with words, I will make every attempt I can to shout you down. Afterall, it is not who is right or wrong, it is who can yell the loudest. You are at fault for all the arguing in this thread, because, as usual, I do nothing wrong. If it were not for you and your hate-filled kind, none of this would ever happen. I am golden.

I admit I know nothing about your stance on the Iraq War, but as you do not parrot what I say, you must be wrong. For that, you have to be an idiot.



What did I miss?

:)

[Waffletush]

Thus proving that your rant is so totally partisan out of jealousy that no one followed your drum banging about Clinton's failure in Somalia with a chorus of "Me, too's". You have been outed again.

Pathetic.

So, if a police officer breaks the speed limit when chasing a criminal, they too are law breakers who need to be prosecuted?

[Elrathin]

Honestly I didn't read any of that, but I bet I can sum it up.



How about instead of you paraphrasing it you actually comment on the information given and refute it point for point?

The fact remains that the thread ECW has commented in is more productive in honoring the troops than what I have seen from a few members.

[Waffletush]

How about instead of you paraphrasing it you actually comment on the information given and refute it point for point?

Don't try and pin me. You made a blatant lie about me, and never once retracted. So, please, don't lecture me on refuting.

The fact remains that the thread ECW has commented in is more productive in honoring the troops than what I have seen from a few members.

And as I said ad infintum, I never debated that. I just question the timing and manner in which it is being done. Not just by him, but by all. The winds have changed, and now people decide to honor the dead? <rolls eyes>

Like me or hate me, you cannot disagree that people can validly (?) come up with that perception.

[Elrathin]

Don't try and pin me. You made a blatant lie about me, and never once retracted. So, please, don't lecture me on refuting.


I made a claim that you have yet to refute with proof. I am waiting on that one. Until such time I am not a liar or otherwise. If you wish to say your proof was done before a time when this board upgraded and the proof was lost, I am waiting to hear it from you, but so far NOTHING. So if you have something to say about proof, let's hear it.


And as I said ad infintum, I never debated that. I just question the timing and manner in which it is being done. Not just by him, but by all. The winds have changed, and now people decide to honor the dead? <rolls eyes>

Like me or hate me, you cannot disagree that people can validly (?) come up with that perception.

And like it or hate it, I have yet to see a post such as this one done by VL supported, continued, and maintained in honor of the troops fallen done by any conservative or supporter of this war as I have seen by ECW and VL.

[ViolaLee]

I am so confused. ECW, Viola Lee and for a short time, I were the only contributors to the Iraqi Troops honor thread. Nothing was said, we just posted the names, sometimes pictures, mostly with stories of who they were, and their death notice......nothing else, no commentary, just honoring those that died. Then I stopped, Ecw went and tended to real life business.....then one day, Troubadour went off, the thread was split and now, after a long absense (glad to see you back, Waffle) all of a sudden this is somehow political?

This administration hides the flag draped coffins, it's somehow shameful to them. Viola has done nothing but honor those that died and maybe made some aware, of the men and women who have died.........to say this is some kind of loophole to bash the troops, well........is rather crazy. She maintained it, she kept the thread alive and now for this she is being villified?

I've seen some crazy stuff written here, but I do have to say, this takes the cake.

ECW keeps it alive better than I.

I get discouraged, because they are dying faster than I can post their pictures.

I think the Republicans who get angry about the thread (and there are some on every board I've posted it on) are angry to learn about all the people who are dying. The Americans who are dying in Iraq are real people, with families and mothers and fathers and children and brothers and sisters. When we look at their faces, read their ages and find out where they are from, it makes them real to us.

I think the Republican anger is about the fact that their party is hiding the caskets and hiding their names and faces. The pro-Iraq war folks are taking out their anger on those of us who think it's important for America to see our fallen heros. The pro-Iraq war folks aren't really mad at us for supporting the troops and honoring the fallen. They can't figure out how we can support the troops by wanting the troops to come home. They think you have to support the troops by wanting them to stay in a war that's needless, a war for oil that should never have been waged.

We support our fellow Americans for serving our country.

And on this Memorial Day, we remember the ones who've given their lives in that service.

[ECW]

Quote:
Originally Posted by ECW
<insert long rant here>

Honestly I didn't read any of that, but I bet I can sum it up.

:
Originally Posted by ECW Paraphrased
Waffletush, I am still missing the point that you are not questioning if I support the troops, rather you are questioning, what you call, the tasteless manner in which I did it. You are an arrogant scum sucking bushbot who knows nothing but hate as you believe all the lies you are fed from an arrogant administration. Yes, I labeled Iraq a civil war, but what was I supposed to do, the New York Tiems said it was. I will never admit if I make a mistake, rather, I will throw vulgar terms at you in hopes it clouds the excellent point you made. Since I could not beat you with words, I will make every attempt I can to shout you down. Afterall, it is not who is right or wrong, it is who can yell the loudest. You are at fault for all the arguing in this thread, because, as usual, I do nothing wrong. If it were not for you and your hate-filled kind, none of this would ever happen. I am golden.

I admit I know nothing about your stance on the Iraq War, but as you do not parrot what I say, you must be wrong. For that, you have to be an idiot.






What did I miss?

:)

Since you did not read what I posted the answer to your question is: everything.

You missed the fact that you started the vulgar language and couldn't hold your ground when you got some of your own medicine in return which made you whine profusely.

You missed the fact that you alleged I called you names but brought no proof.

You missed the fact that you alleged that this thread was started with a partisan purpose but brought no proof to back up your assertion.

You missed the fact that you demonstrated the ultimate hypocrisy in starting your own thread to honor the troops of a different war when you came bashing those who did so for this war.

You missed the fact that a thread was started in response to your complaining temper tantrum that you have STILL not seen fit to participate in even though it meets your illusionary criteria.

You missed the fact that you could not answer one simple question posed to you about the thread that you did start.

You missed the fact that you were outed as a partisan rightwinger despite attempts to claim the middle ground. Participating in Piranha Parties like you have on numerous occasions will do that for you.

You missed the fact that your intolerance to someone other than some rightwingers honoring the troops has been laid wide open for everyone here to see.

You missed the fact that your feeble attempts to try and paint this refutation of your claims as a personal attack on my part are exposed for the "complete and utter bullshit" that they are by your Mike Savage attempts at humor in paraphrasing what I have said about you.

You missed the fact that the cattle left the barn hours ago and closing the barn door now only keeps the farmer's wife from getting in to clean up the bullshit left behind.

In other words, you missed everything.

You were wrong. Admit it and move on.

[Waffletush]

Lily,

So even though the original post says we can honor troops from various countries, you will not allow posts in this thread unless it specifically outlines how an AMERICAN troop was killed?

All my post did was show a soldier who died, listed his name and title and said 'Peace be with you.' How is that any different than the rest of the posts in this thread other than you disapproving becasue he was not an AMERICAN?

And this thread is not politically based?

[lily]

For the love of God, Waffle.............you posted a picture of Sadaam in that thread..........how in the name of all I hold holy is that honoring ANY troop?

[Waffletush]

He was the commander in chief of a country's armed forces (a soldier), and he died in Iraq. Isn't that who the thread is supposed to pay tribute to? TROOPS who DIED in IRAQ?

Only you have said it is for Americans ONLY.

[ECW]

It's HIS troop, Lily. It's who he chose to honor after all those months he sat fuming that no one played his little "bash Clinton" game in the Somalia thread. It says more about him than I possibly could imagine. As a well-traveled and oft-proven Neocon, it's who he chooses to HONOR after all this time. Game, set, match.

[Waffletush]

Perfect time to paraphrase...

Instead of starting your typical closed-minded liberal diatribe, you should consider the point I made about TROOPS and IRAQ. When you understand those, you may approach being qualified to respond.

[ECW]

The point has already been considered and your objections have been over-ruled. It is very clear what the thread is about. You are the only one who just doesn't get it.

You didn't like how some of us were honoring our troops.

You started your own thread which no one joined in on.

You got mad. Your partisanship oozed out for everyone to see.

You decided to piss on the Iraq thread and even when the thread you whined about NOT being created (on Afghanistan) was in fact created for you to post in, you ran away and hid.

Paraphrase all you want. You are still wrong. You are still a conservative. You are still whining. It gets old after a while.

[Waffletush]

ECW, your posts have become so predictable in their hate that you rival menstrual cycles for the title of Most Regular.

I don't even read them anymore because your comments never change.

That aside, remember, YOU and all your running mates are the ones who argued for a long time that Iraq was better off before the US got there. That Iraq was much better off under Saddam than they are now. After all, YOU argued, they had power, people weren't being killed in droves (by the US only), they had houses etc. YOU and your running mates even posted stats showing how glorious the days were under Saddam.

It is truly sad YOU cannot accept the reality YOU created.

[ECW]

ECW, your posts have become so predictable in their hate that you rival menstrual cycles for the title of Most Regular.

Your pathetic attempts to brand me as a hater ignore the obvious problem here of your blatant partisanship that gets re-exposed everytime you open your piehole.

I don't even read them anymore because your comments never change.

Everyone knows THAT'S a lie (because you keep responding, right on schedule). Talk about being in contention for Most Regular. Grab your kotex, boy.

That aside, remember, YOU and all your running mates are the ones who argued for a long time that Iraq was better off before the US got there. That Iraq was much better off under Saddam than they are now. After all, YOU argued, they had power, people weren't being killed in droves (by the US only), they had houses etc. YOU and your running mates even posted stats showing how glorious the days were under Saddam.

You will be hard-pressed to find anywhere where I have praised Iraq under Saddam. You confuse being critical of US policy there, a policy that pushed the Iraqi people further back instead of lifting them up, with praise for a raping, brutal dictator. That's a mistake that only the most partisan Neocon would make. Congratulations.

On the other hand, I can point to an homage to that same brutal dictator that YOU made in your pathetic little attempt to get one over on everyone. It was a failed attempt and it just exposed you for being the poser you are.

It is truly sad YOU cannot accept the reality YOU created.

Man, when you don't get it, you REALLY don't get it. Pathetic.