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Alonzo
05-21-2008, 03:54 PM
BASRA, Iraq (CNN) -- The man, blindfolded and handcuffed, crouches in the corner of the detention center while an Iraqi soldier grills him about rampant crimes being carried out by gangs in the southern city of Basra.

"How many girls did you kill and rape?" the soldier asks.

"I raped one, sir," the man responds.

"What was her name?"

"Ahlam," he says.

Ahlam was a university student in the predominantly Shiite city of Basra. The detainee said the gang he was in kidnapped her as she was leaving the university, heading home.

"They forced me, and I killed her with a machine gun, sir," he says.

The suspect, who is unshaven and appears to be in his 20s or 30s, was arrested by Iraq security forces after they retook most of Basra in April.

CNN was shown what authorities say was his first confession. On it are the names of 15 girls whom he admitted kidnapping, raping and killing. The youngest girl on the list was just 9 years old.

Basra turned into a battleground between warring Shiite factions vying for control of the country's oil-rich south after the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq in 2003. Basra's streets teemed with Shiite militias armed with weapons, mostly from Iran, according to the Iraqi forces and the U.S. military. Video Watch a mom describe her three sons killed »

For four years after the invasion, Basra was under the control of British forces, but they were unable to contain the violence and withdrew in September last year.

Women bore the brunt of the militias' extremist ideologies. The militants spray-painted threats on walls across Basra, warning women to wear headscarves and not to wear make-up. Women were sometimes executed for the vague charge of doing something "un-Islamic."

In the wasteland on the outskirts of Basra, dotted with rundown homes, the stench of death mixes with the sewage. Local residents told the Iraqi Army that executions often take place in the area, particularly for women, sometimes killed for something as seemingly inocuous as wearing jeans.

Militias implemented their own laws with abandon, threatening stores for displaying mannequins with bare shoulders or for selling Western music. Many store owners are still too frightened to speak publicly.

But the horrors of militia rule are now surfacing as some residents begin to feel more comfortable speaking out.

Inside her rundown home, Sabriya's watery eyes peer out from under her robe. She points to the first photo of one of her sons on the wall.

"This one was killed because he was drinking," she says.

She draws her finger across her neck and gestures at the next photo.

"This one was slaughtered for his car."

"This one the same," she adds, looking at the third.

Her three sons, her daughter and her sister were all killed by the hard-line militia. Her sister was slaughtered because she was a single woman living alone.

"They said [to her], 'Why don't you have a husband?' " Sabriya says. "They came in at night and put a pillow on her face and shot her in the head."

Sabriya lives on what was once dubbed "murder street" for the daily killings that happened there last year.

On the day CNN visited, dozens of young men sat where there used to be piles of bodies. Sheik Maktouf al-Maraiyani shudders at the memory.

"Every day, we would find 10 or 15 of our men killed," he says, adding sorrowfully "one of them was my son." His son was 25 years old.

Now, "murder street" is part of a citywide effort to get Basra back on its feet. In a project funded by U.S. forces, Sheikh Maktouf and others are being paid $20 a day and upwards to clean up trash.

Basra may be part of the country's oil rich south, but it wallows in its own sewage and trash. The stench of filth is impossible to escape. The effort also helps with the massive unemployment plaguing the city.

British forces officially handed over responsibility of Basra to Iraqi forces in December.

"The situation was so bad because the security forces were controlled by the militias," says Brig. Gen. Aziz al-Swady, who commands the 14th Iraq Army Divison.

To help curb the violence, British troops have returned to the city, adopting the U.S. approach of embedding with Iraqi units as advisers. The Iraqi prime minister also has flooded the city with additional troops, bringing in soldiers from western Iraq along with their American advisers.

"Now the citizens have started to trust the Iraqi security forces," said al-Swady.

The biggest difference is that residents are starting to leave their homes -- something unthinkable just a few months ago. At one of the parks in the city this past weekend, a father named Al'aa was out with his three young children and his wife.

"It's the first time that we have dared to come here in two years," he said.

The park was once often used for executions.
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Everyone, residents and soldiers alike, knows the battle for Basra is not over. Militias still lurk in the shadows, and the security gains may not last without economic gains.

"The most important thing, our government must focus on finding jobs, different jobs for these people," says Maj. Gen. Tariq al-Azawi.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/05/20/basra.killings/index.html

So the great example of what withdrawing brings not only turned Basra into a bloodbath, but Britain eventually returned to Basra to aid the Iraqi military.

bishop
05-21-2008, 04:48 PM
so, we should do what mccain suggests and stay there for 100 years, eh? after all, if we withdraw, things will become a bloodbath...

Wndrtch
05-21-2008, 04:51 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/05/20/basra.killings/index.html

So the great example of what withdrawing brings not only turned Basra into a bloodbath, but Britain eventually returned to Basra to aid the Iraqi military.

There needs to be an opposition force to the extremists elements of Islam, not just in Iraq but for all the ME. Killing people because they are not "Islam enough", should not be tolerated anywhere and needs to be changed.

Wndrtch
05-21-2008, 04:54 PM
so, we should do what mccain suggests and stay there for 100 years, eh? after all, if we withdraw, things will become a bloodbath...

...and you will have to go back there under worse conditions.

BTW - You do know that we built a large military base there, right? Who do you think is going to man it? Why do you think we built it?

Do you understand the 100 year comment now?

PatrickHenry
05-21-2008, 06:11 PM
Militia rapes and murders.

Let's see...was this stuff happening when Saddam was in charge?

Let's give America and the UK a pat on the back for all their good work!

micfranklin
05-21-2008, 06:16 PM
The Iraqi prime minister also has flooded the city with additional troops, bringing in soldiers from western Iraq along with their American advisers.

Well since violence is down, according to the thread title, that means someone did something right. And as I figured the Iraqi people would finally get up and do something.

Alonzo
05-21-2008, 06:21 PM
Well since violence is down, according to the thread title, that means someone did something right. And as I figured the Iraqi people would finally get up and do something.

When the British pulled up fighting, between factions, went down but violence went up. Now that they're back in a support role, along with the americans, violence is down.

lily
05-22-2008, 02:19 AM
Odd, when the British pulled out, we were told that they were leaving because everything was under control. Also they weren't going that far and would work is a support role.

lily
05-22-2008, 02:29 AM
There needs to be an opposition force to the extremists elements of Islam, not just in Iraq but for all the ME. Killing people because they are not "Islam enough", should not be tolerated anywhere and needs to be changed.

Well, their constitution has already been written.

Link (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2005/oct/25/iraq.qanda)

One major issue is the role of Islam in the new legislation. The
constitution declares that Islam is "a main source" of legislation, and
states that no law may contradict Islamic and democratic standards or "the
essential rights and freedoms mentioned in this constitution".

But critics say the proposals erode women's rights and other freedoms
enshrined under existing laws. Under sharia law, women do not receive as
much inheritance money as men do and they are forbidden from beginning
divorce proceedings. Their evidence in court is also regarded as being worth
half that of a man.

The US eased its opposition to an Islamic Iraqi state in order to help
secure a new constitution. According to Kurdish and Sunni negotiators, the
US ambassador, Zalmay Khalilzad, proposed that Islam be named "a primary
source" - less than "the source" but greater than "a source" - of law.


Link (http://www.foreignaffairs.org/20060101faessay85104/isobel-coleman/women-islam-and-the-new-iraq.html)
Women, Islam, and the New Iraq
Isobel Coleman

From Foreign Affairs, January/February 2006




Summary: Although questions of implementation remain, the new Iraqi
constitution makes Islam the law of the land. This need not mean trouble for
Iraq's women, however. Sharia is open to a wide range of interpretations,
some quite egalitarian. If Washington still hopes for a liberal order in
Iraq, it should start working with progressive Muslim scholars to advance
women's rights through religious channels.

ISOBEL COLEMAN is a Senior Fellow and Director of the Women and U.S. Foreign
Policy Program at the Council on Foreign Relations.


THE IMPACT OF SHARIA

Article 14 of Iraq's new constitution, approved in a nationwide referendum
held on October 15, states that Iraqis are equal before the law "without
discrimination because of sex." Yet the constitution also states that no law
can be passed that contradicts the "established rulings" of Islam. For this
reason, the new document has been condemned by critics both inside and
outside Iraq as a fundamental setback for a majority of Iraq's population --
namely, its women. According to Isam al-Khafaji, an Iraqi scholar, the
document "could easily deprive women of their rights." Yanar Muhammad, a
leading secular activist and the head of the Organization of Women's Freedom
in Iraq, worries that the Islamic provision will turn the country "into an
Afghanistan under the Taliban, where oppression and discrimination of women
is institutionalized."

These criticisms are not without merit, and the ambiguity of the new
constitution is a cause for concern. The centrality of Islamic law in the
document, however, does not necessarily mean trouble for Iraqi women. In
fact, sharia is open to a wide range of understanding, and across the
Islamic world today, progressive Muslims are seeking to reinterpret its
rules to accommodate a modern role for women.