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preservanation
05-20-2008, 12:57 AM
May 19, 2008

LIEBERMAN CALLS ON GOOGLE TO TAKE DOWN TERRORIST CONTENT
YouTube Videos Are Produced by Al Qaeda and Other Terror Organizations; Videos Show Attacks on U.S. Soldiers, Civilians

WASHINGTON – Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee Chairman Joe Lieberman, ID-Conn., Monday called on Google to remove Internet video content produced by terrorist organizations such as Al-Qaeda. The videos – readily available on YouTube –show assassinations, deaths of U.S. soldiers and civilians, weapons training, incendiary speeches by al-Qaeda leadership, and other material intended to encourage violence against the West.

The videos are branded with Al-Qaeda logos – a practice detailed in a recent bipartisan Committee staff report entitled “Violent Islamist Extremism, the Internet, and the Homegrown Terrorist Threat.” These production logos are easily recognizable, making it easy for Google to remove them from its Internet sites. Lieberman called on Google to enforce its own community standards against videos that show gratuitous violence or people getting “hurt, attacked, or humiliated.”

“Islamist terrorist organizations use YouTube to disseminate their propaganda, enlist followers, and provide weapons training,” the Senator said in his letter. “YouTube also, unwittingly, permits Islamist terrorist groups to maintain an active, pervasive, and amplified voice, despite military setbacks or successful operations by the law enforcement and intelligence communities…

“Protecting our citizens from terrorist attacks is a top priority for our government. The private sector can help us do that. By taking action to curtail the use of YouTube to disseminate the goals and methods of those who wish to kill innocent civilians, Google will make a singularly important contribution to this important national effort.”

Following is a copy of the letter:

May 19, 2008

Dr. Eric Schmidt
Chairman of the Board and Chief Executive Officer
Google, Inc.
1600 Amphitheatre Parkway
Mountain View, CA 94043

Dear Dr. Schmidt:

YouTube is being used to share videos produced by al-Qaeda and other Islamist terrorist groups. The purpose of this letter is to request that Google implement its own policy against this offensive material, remove these videos from YouTube, and prevent them from reappearing.

Today, Islamist terrorist organizations rely extensively on the Internet to attract supporters and advance their cause. The framework for much of this Internet campaign is described in a bipartisan staff report released last week by the Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs (“Committee”), which I am privileged to chair, titled Violent Islamist Extremism, the Internet, and the Homegrown Terrorist Threat. The report explains, in part, how al-Qaeda created and manages a multi-tiered online media operation that produces content intended to enlist followers in countries all over the world, including the United States. Central to this media campaign is the branding of content with an icon or logo to guarantee authenticity that the content was produced by al-Qaeda or allied organizations like al-Qaeda in Iraq, Ansar al-Islam (a.k.a Ansar al-Sunnah) or al-Qaeda in the Land of the Islamic Maghreb. All of these groups have been designated Foreign Terrorist Organizations (FTO) by the Department of State.

Searches on YouTube return dozens of videos branded with an icon or logo identifying the videos as the work of one of these Islamist terrorist organizations. A great majority of these videos document horrific attacks on American soldiers in Iraq or Afghanistan. Others provide weapons training, speeches by al-Qaeda leadership, and general material intended to radicalize potential recruits.

In other words, Islamist terrorist organizations use YouTube to disseminate their propaganda, enlist followers, and provide weapons training – activities that are all essential to terrorist activity. According to testimony received by our Committee, the online content produced by al-Qaeda and other Islamist terrorist organizations can play a significant role in the process of radicalization, the end point of which is the planning and execution of a terrorist attack. YouTube also, unwittingly, permits Islamist terrorist groups to maintain an active, pervasive, and amplified voice, despite military setbacks or successful operations by the law enforcement and intelligence communities.

YouTube posts “community guidelines” for users to follow, but it does not appear that the company is enforcing these guidelines to the extent they would apply to this content. For example, the community guidelines state that “[g]raphic or gratuitous violence is not allowed. If your video shows someone getting hurt, attacked, or humiliated, don’t post it.” Many of the videos produced by one of the production arms of al-Qaeda show attacks on U.S. forces in which American soldiers are injured and, in some cases, killed. Nevertheless, those videos remain available for viewing on YouTube. At the same time, the guidelines do not prohibit the posting of content that can be readily identified as produced by al-Qaeda or another FTO.

I ask you, therefore, to immediately remove content produced by Islamist terrorist organizations from YouTube. This should be a straightforward task since so many of the Islamist terrorist organizations brand their material with logos or icons identifying their provenance. In addition, please explain what changes Google plans to make to the YouTube community guidelines to address violent extremist material and how Google plans to enforce those guidelines to prevent the content from reappearing.

Protecting our citizens from terrorist attacks is a top priority for our government. The private sector can help us do that. By taking action to curtail the use of YouTube to disseminate the goals and methods of those who wish to kill innocent civilians, Google will make a singularly important contribution to this important national effort.

Thank you for your immediate attention to this critical matter and I look forward to your response.

Sincerely,

Joseph I. Lieberman (ID-CT)
Chairman, Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs

LINK (http://hsgac.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?Fuseaction=PressReleases.Detail&PressRelease_id=8093d5b2-c882-4d12-883d-5c670d43d269&Month=5&Year=2008&Affiliation=C)

lily
05-20-2008, 02:08 AM
Are we now Chinese? We need the government to tell us what google is allowed to put up for viewing, research or just plain curiousity?

preservanation
05-20-2008, 02:12 AM
I agree.
Congress, unlike a communist nation, can't nor should restrict the free-flow of info.
This has 'slippery-slope' written all over it.

MrHappy
05-20-2008, 03:12 AM
Google should not be forced to remove the videos. However, they should keep in mind their own corporate policies, including:

6. You can make money without doing evil.

Google Corporate Information (http://www.google.com/corporate/tenthings.html)

NortheastCynic
05-20-2008, 04:14 AM
Google should not be forced to remove content.

They should, however, do so voluntarily.

-NC

jafar00
05-20-2008, 08:41 AM
Of course you only want to see vids of your triumphant troops killing arabs, not triumphant arabs killing your troops. One sided propaganda is easier to sell.

PostmodernProphet
05-20-2008, 10:05 AM
Of course you only want to see vids of your triumphant troops killing arabs, not triumphant arabs killing your troops. One sided propaganda is easier to sell.

have you seen a lot of video of triumphant troops killing arabs?.....seems to me that if such propaganda existed, it would be more effective if it were being shown to someone.....

preservanation
05-20-2008, 10:23 AM
Of course you only want to see vids of your triumphant troops killing arabs, not triumphant arabs killing your troops. One sided propaganda is easier to sell.Actually, we don't really do that.
ME media plays that stuff more than we do for their own selfish reasons.

tecoyah
05-20-2008, 01:05 PM
Personally, I require as much information as I can get to form my opinions and decisions. Some Data is without a doubt unpleasant, but this does not make it irrelevant and in fact at times makes it's importance increase. To remove access to the Data is an insult to my intellect, and an attack on my ability to gain knowledge...I do not wish to be ignorant.

MrHappy
05-20-2008, 02:33 PM
Of course you only want to see vids of your triumphant troops killing arabs, not triumphant arabs killing your troops. One sided propaganda is easier to sell.
Guess that depends on what side you're on.

PatrickHenry
05-20-2008, 05:11 PM
Joe Lieberman.

Damn good thing he never got to sit in Cheney's seat...

We'd all be fucked...

Oh, wait!

Wndrtch
05-20-2008, 07:44 PM
Are we now Chinese? We need the government to tell us what google is allowed to put up for viewing, research or just plain curiousity?

I wouldn't want Google to remove the terrorist videos, just tell us who posted them.

That would be good enough for me.

Elrathin
05-20-2008, 08:19 PM
I wouldn't want Google to remove the terrorist videos, just tell us who posted them.

That would be good enough for me.

So have Google post personal information? So you don't want freedom of speech violated, but you want privacy violated?

apdst
05-20-2008, 09:07 PM
I agree with Northeastern Cynic: Google should remove the vid, voluntarily. As Colonel David Hunt put it in his book, On The Hunt: "Sometimes, just sometimes, it's ok to be an American first and not print information that might hurt the soldiers, or their efforts to fight the enemy"

Osborn F. Enready
05-20-2008, 09:33 PM
Its a choice of the company though, and it seems Google has chosen not to remove it as of yet.

I respect their right to choose either way.

Wndrtch
05-20-2008, 09:48 PM
So have Google post personal information? So you don't want freedom of speech violated, but you want privacy violated?

No, I want Google hand over contact information associated with people who post terrorist training/propaganda videos.

At last check, foreignors are not covered by the US Constitution, and I care far more about my freedom to EXIST over their freedom of speech or privacy, given they don't have any respect for any of the three.

But I can see how you would want to protect terrorist rights, given that more dead soldiers helps the DNC.

Wndrtch
05-20-2008, 09:50 PM
I agree with Northeastern Cynic: Google should remove the vid, voluntarily. As Colonel David Hunt put it in his book, On The Hunt: "Sometimes, just sometimes, it's ok to be an American first and not print information that might hurt the soldiers, or their efforts to fight the enemy"

I LOVE David Hunt. He fills in from time to time up here in mass, for a radio guy named Howie Carr.

Elrathin
05-21-2008, 02:44 PM
But I can see how you would want to protect terrorist rights, given that more dead soldiers helps the DNC.

Yeah I see how conservatives use dead soldiers as political tools as well. Here is a clear example of it. Many conservatives don't give a damn about the soldiers, only winning. I think they would sacrifice tens of thousands even if it didn't do it just to satisfy their egos. Especially the ones sitting behind a computer on a message board.

It's also good to see that some conservatives don't give a damn about the right to privacy for ANYONE.

Wndrtch
05-21-2008, 04:38 PM
Yeah I see how conservatives use dead soldiers as political tools as well. Here is a clear example of it. Many conservatives don't give a damn about the soldiers, only winning. I think they would sacrifice tens of thousands even if it didn't do it just to satisfy their egos. Especially the ones sitting behind a computer on a message board.

It's also good to see that some conservatives don't give a damn about the right to privacy for ANYONE.

LOL!

You crack me up el.

The war is unpopular, the President's approval numbers are below ground, yet you then say we are using it for political purposes? What are you smoking? :ponder:

The only folks benefiting from dead soldiers are Democrats. The only party offering protection to terrorists are Democrats (voting against the GWoT, voting against The Patriot Act, fighting for terrorists to get "legal councel", threatening Impeachment, calling our soldiers barbarians, etc...)

The only candidate Hamas has endorsed, is Obama who is a Democrat.

PatrickHenry
05-21-2008, 05:27 PM
The endosement of Hamas almost makes me want to vote Obama.

But I don't see how the Democratic Party offers anything to terrorists, unless you want to include the CIA...

Troubadour
05-22-2008, 02:51 PM
Guess that depends on what side you're on.

Which should, but far too often doesn't, have anything to do with who's right.

Elrathin
05-22-2008, 04:22 PM
The war is unpopular, the President's approval numbers are below ground, yet you then say we are using it for political purposes? What are you smoking? :ponder:

Sure some conservatives are, we hear it all the time "We can't leave because then they will have died for nothing".

Like I said more dead soldiers equals conservatives will cry to stay in Iraq.