This video rocks! (what you can have with Obama, and can't with RP)

[Mia]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zb2GDYz7ieY

[micfranklin]

Odd. I don't remember Obama saying anything about national ID and he's never said he wanted to invade Iran.

[Osborn F. Enready]

Your right Mia, that was a great video...

Obama supports REAL ID if I am not mistaken Mic.

[micfranklin]

Obama supports REAL ID if I am not mistaken Mic.

Unfortunately you are.

Even with the missing answers, these positions seem to reflect the candidates' broader philosophies. Obama appears more liberal than Clinton, flatly opposing the Real ID Act while she's less forceful, saying it needs to be reviewed. Both engage in a careful lapse in memory: unlike Paul, Clinton and Obama voted for Real ID as part of a broader "Global War on Terror" spending bill three years ago before turning around and criticizing it.

http://www.news.com/8301-13578_3-9864581-38.html

[4Reaganomics]

I thought the video was going to be NYC blowing up or kids getting killed

you'd have that with Obama, but not HRC...she'll save the day

[micfranklin]

It's kind of a shame that people will automatically believe a previously-made video with some "facts" edited into it. It's even more of a shame that this came from the campaign of the other candidate I planned on voting for. Worst of all I did a little Google search and found some things not true.

Lesson here: lying doesn't take much skill.

[Mia]

I don't care - it's still a cool video. Who doesn't like 'Another Brick in the Wall'?

That's all Obama is - that's the bottom line to me, whether he supports the National ID or not.

And he is more likely to invade Iran than Ron Paul!

[Mia]

planned. as in not going to anymore?

:sadly:

[micfranklin]

And he is more likely to invade Iran than Ron Paul!

If we're going to be technical, then yeah he is. But he's suggested that it be the absolute last resort, and don't forget he'd rather talk with aggressive nations before attacking.

planned. as in not going to anymore?

Didn't switch my party affiliation in time according to Maryland law.

[Mia]

If we're going to be technical, then yeah he is.


Yes, let's be technical.

But he's suggested that it be the absolute last resort, and don't forget he'd rather talk with aggressive nations before attacking.



Well, duh, I'd hope it would be a last resort; my position is that if you're going to threaten nations, it's something you eventually have to back up if they don't comply.

Do you think Iran's President sounds compliant?


Didn't switch my party affiliation in time according to Maryland law.


You can still write RP in at the GE. I wish I had become a delegate. I got on this train too late too. :sadly:

[Osborn F. Enready]

Mic said:
Unfortunately you are.

Sorry Mic, your "source" is wrong also, as it mentions Paul supported Real ID, which he clearly did not.
http://www.votesmart.org/voting_category.php?can_id=296&type=category&category=40&go.x=13&go.y=9

or you can look here:
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/vote.xpd?vote=h2005-31

or you can look here:
http://legislatorsagainstrealid.com/



Here you can see Obamas voting record on immigration bills:
http://www.votesmart.org/voting_category.php?can_id=9490&type=category&category=40&go.x=10&go.y=9

Here is Obama pandering for immigrant votes, asking them to "vote for change"....http://www.votesmart.org/speech_detail.php?sc_id=367815&keyword=&phrase=&contain=

And here is says now is not the time for REAL ID, but I think mainly because he wants those votes from immigrants.....
http://www.votesmart.org/speech_detail.php?sc_id=51650&keyword=REAL+ID&phrase=&contain=

[micfranklin]

Um...were you looking at MY source carefully because it doesn't say that either Obama or Paul supported real Id anywhere.

[Osborn F. Enready]

Mic said
Um...were you looking at MY source carefully because it doesn't say that either Obama or Paul supported real Id anywhere.

I will just re-post your own post #4 in this thread, highlighting relevant material.


Originally Posted by Osborn F. Enready
Obama supports REAL ID if I am not mistaken Mic.

Mic said:
Unfortunately you are.

Quote:
Even with the missing answers, these positions seem to reflect the candidates' broader philosophies. Obama appears more liberal than Clinton, flatly opposing the Real ID Act while she's less forceful, saying it needs to be reviewed. Both engage in a careful lapse in memory: unlike Paul, Clinton and Obama voted for Real ID as part of a broader "Global War on Terror" spending bill three years ago before turning around and criticizing it.

http://www.news.com/8301-13578_3-9864581-38.html


So how was I mistaken that Obama supported it?

Admittedly, I did misread it the first time thinking they said PAUL voted for the Real ID act, which is know for a fact, as does the congressional record, as false.

[micfranklin]

Gah. He may be an opponent of real ID now but just like how Hilary is against the war now, it doesn't change what they voted for back then.

[Osborn F. Enready]

Paul never voted to support the war, ever. Obama did.

Paul never voted to support REAL ID, ever. Obama did.

That was my only point.

Obama is not the voice of change, nor has the record of consistency that he claims.

[Mia]

Obama is the voice of 'what we want to hear at this time', like all the other 'candidates'.

HE VOTED FOR THE REAL ID, period.

Game over; he's like all the rest.

How you put him in the same category as Ron Paul, who does not EVER flip-flip, since principles don't allow that, is beyond me, Mic.

What 'disturbance in the force' does Obama see?

LOL, gimme a break.

He must've love potion # 9'd you ;-)

[Mia]

If we're going to be technical, then yeah he is. But he's suggested that it be the absolute last resort, and don't forget he'd rather talk with aggressive nations before attacking.




I just read this again and had to LMAO - it makes such a huge difference that he'd talk before attacking.:scared:

[micfranklin]

I just read this again and had to LMAO - it makes such a huge difference that he'd talk before attacking.:scared:

Would you prefer if he pulled a Bush and just invaded them outright and asked questions later? I'd feel safer with diplomacy than just sending an ICBM over.

[Osborn F. Enready]

Mic, I prefer the guy I am being asked to vote for, had a shred of integrity and some meaning behind his words.

I don't see that in Obama, Clinton or McCain..... They all look equally sad to me.....