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AlonzoMourning23
05-11-2008, 11:22 PM
The Republican political establishment is looking to the devil to deliver them, the man many have depicted as the incarnation of evil: John McCain.

Republicans in the U.S. Congress are petrified about a November debacle, a fear stoked on May 3, when they lost their second straight special election in a district held by Republicans.

The party's fundamental situation is terrible: Republicans are saddled with an enormously unpopular president, a war, a troubled economy and a Democratic opposition that's being energized by important constituent groups.

"The generics are as bad as anytime since I have been here," said Representative Tom Davis, a Virginia Republican and one of the most politically astute members of Congress in either party. Davis, a 14-year veteran, is retiring this year, frustrated with his party's long-term prospects.

In a delicious irony, the one bright spot is McCain, the presumptive Republican presidential nominee. A few months ago, McCain spoke to the party's caucus in the House of Representatives and said that he would campaign in any district where he was wanted and stay out of any where he would be a liability.

"I don't know of anyone that doesn't want him in," said Representative Ray LaHood, an Illinois Republican who is also retiring.

This is turning history on its head. Not long ago, the independent-minded McCain was vilified by his party's leaders.

Tom DeLay - the former Republican majority leader who was once the most powerful official the House had had in years - complained that McCain "has done more to hurt the Republican Party than any elected official I know of." Former House Speaker Dennis Hastert once suggested that McCain, a decorated prisoner of war in Vietnam, didn't understand sacrifice.

This year, Senator Thad Cochran of Mississippi said the thought of a McCain presidency "sends a cold chill down my spine." His former Mississippi colleague, Trent Lott, has endorsed McCain; eight years earlier, Lott's comments about the Arizona lawmaker were unprintable.

The czar of conservative talk radio, Rush Limbaugh, said earlier this year that a McCain nomination would "destroy" Republicans: "He has stabbed his own party in the back I can't tell you how many times."

There is a situational element to these attitudes; McCain is fine when he's useful to them.

Former Senator Rick Santorum of Pennsylvania, facing an uphill re-election struggle in 2006, brought his old enemy into the state and tried to bask in his popularity. After Santorum was defeated, he reverted to form and trashed McCain.

Similarly, the epiphany that many Republican officeholders have recently had about McCain is about their own fate: They're scared. Charlie Cook and Stu Rothenberg are the twin towers of Washington election-watchers; much of the conventional wisdom in this town originates with them.

As of today, they both see the Democrats adding 5 to 10 seats to their House majority and gaining 3 to 6 Senate seats this November; that may be conservative.

With few other reeds, embattled Republicans see McCain as a lifeboat. They know voters don't like President George W. Bush or being in bed with sleazy special interests. That's the identity of the national party.

Few Republican lawmakers are viewed as more independent from Bush than is McCain - the two men really don't like each other - nor has there been any greater champion of ethics in politics than the 71-year-old senator.

McCain also provides cover on issues that plague the Republican image: the party's immigration bashing and its insensitivity to environmental concerns, especially climate change.

The odds, however, are that Republicans are deluding themselves - or at least exaggerating McCain's coattails.

In addition to the unfavorable political environment, Democrats have won the important initial rounds in House and Senate races. In the House, they have recruited several dozen potentially solid challengers; the Republicans' candidate-recruitment efforts, by their admission, have been disappointing.

In rating the current competitive House seats - about 1 in 10 - both Cook and Rothenberg see 50 percent more Republican-held seats at risk.

There's a similar pattern in the Senate. More than a half-dozen strong Democratic candidates are competing for Republican-held seats in states from Maine to New Mexico. As of today, there's possibly one vulnerable Democratic incumbent, Mary Landrieu of Louisiana, and that may be a stretch.

Moreover, the Democratic campaign chairmen, Representative Chris Van Hollen of Maryland and Senator Charles Schumer of New York, have run circles around the opposition.

At the end of the first quarter, the two Democratic campaign committees had $82.1 million in the bank - over three times more than the $24.5 million held by Republicans. In two-thirds of the most competitive House contests, the Democrats have more money.

"The money advantage is so overwhelming the Democrats are getting parity in what should be Republican districts," Davis said.

In an effort to placate the party base, McCain has trimmed his sails and, perversely if unintentionally, looked more like a Bush Republican.

"McCain comes across to some as a different kind of Republican," Van Hollen said. "Yet he has fallen in line with the Bush agenda on the fundamental issues: the war and the economy."

The economy is the party's real potential vulnerable spot, since it's an issue of pervasive concern to voters, even more than Iraq. McCain has little interest in the subject, and a Bloomberg/Los Angeles Times poll shows that Americans give both Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Obama, the Democratic candidates, higher marks than McCain on the economy.

Still, embattled Republican candidates won't have to drain time and energy explaining away their presidential candidate. From Congressman Christopher Shays of Connecticut to Robin Hayes of North Carolina, they can run with the head of the ticket.

Their only task will be to explain all those awful anti-McCain diatribes from Republicans.

http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/05/11/america/letter.php?page=2

PostmodernProphet
05-12-2008, 10:52 AM
see Lily....this is what I meant when I said that McCain won't have to distance himself from Bush....that the left will do it for him......

BoogyMan
05-12-2008, 12:01 PM
The funny part is this is the exact same thing that they claim ISN'T going on with the democrats who are split between Obama and Clinton. Is the argument really going to be made that if Clinton get the nomination that Democrats won't come together to look to her to deliver them a win?

AlonzoMourning23
05-12-2008, 02:15 PM
Clinton was never a pariah or seen as anti-democrat though.

PostmodernProphet
05-12-2008, 03:02 PM
Clinton was never a pariah

???....oh wait, you mean by the left......

potter
05-12-2008, 03:11 PM
Is the argument really going to be made that if Clinton get the nomination that Democrats won't come together to look to her to deliver them a win?

I think that is exactly what may happen. I'm not convinced the dems will vote en mass for Hillary if they don't support her just because shes a democrat. Anti Hillary democrats are anti Hillary for good reason.

Add to this the big bitch she's become, and her threat of the nuclear option which will tear the party from top to bottom, one might conclude it's almost as if she's trying to break apart the party, so the republicans should feel pretty good about this election.

potter
05-12-2008, 03:13 PM
???....oh wait, you mean by the left......


I wouldn't assume that at all. Many on the left dispise Clinton.

AlanC
05-12-2008, 03:13 PM
Clinton was never a pariah or seen as anti-democrat though.

Zo, I think you need to read some of the posts made by Obama supporters. Hillary has from the outset had the largest percentage of negative ratings in polls of all the candidates.

There are a lot of Democrats who see her as a pariah. Of course that doesn't mean they won't vote for her if they have to, but they won't like it.

AlonzoMourning23
05-12-2008, 06:32 PM
Zo, I think you need to read some of the posts made by Obama supporters. Hillary has from the outset had the largest percentage of negative ratings in polls of all the candidates.

There are a lot of Democrats who see her as a pariah. Of course that doesn't mean they won't vote for her if they have to, but they won't like it.

A lot of Republicans see Brownback, and those like them, as "pariahs" in that sense as well. But, to the party itself, they're the furthest thing from it.

Pariah really isn't an accurate term to describe someone that the party accepts but some of the parties supporters reject. McCain was essentially rejected by the party itself, yet maintained support among some of party members.

As for the Obama supporters, I still think there's a lot of sexism in some (not all but some) of the anti-Hillary sentiment, but much of the anti-Hillary sentiment seems to be in either the black population (where it seems to be more anti-anyone not Obama instead of truly anti-Hillary) and the people to the left of the official party.

Osborn F. Enready
05-12-2008, 07:17 PM
I was voting Republican for Ron Paul, but now that the party failed to choose him to represent the party, I am voting Libertarian most likely.

In no way, would I vote for a current Democrat..... none hold values or visions I view as reasonable, nor does McCain for that matter.

Buck Laser
05-12-2008, 07:31 PM
I was voting Republican for Ron Paul, but now that the party failed to choose him to represent the party, I am voting Libertarian most likely.

In no way, would I vote for a current Democrat..... none hold values or visions I view as reasonable, nor does McCain for that matter.
If Bob Barr gets the Libertarian nomination, will you vote for him?

Osborn F. Enready
05-12-2008, 09:08 PM
Buck said:
If Bob Barr gets the Libertarian nomination, will you vote for him?

Thats a tough question I am trying to answer myself right now Buck. I am looking at Barrs record, and history, as well as I am comparing other Lib candidates right now.

I can't answer that until they decide who gets the nomination.

lieexposer
05-13-2008, 03:46 AM
You're going to like any libertarian Osborn, and you're going to waste your vote on one because any libertarian could be as popular as McCain with the right. Remember, McCain was chosen as the candidate because he was the furthest from the right status quo in the WH. Go for it Osborn, a libertarian could come closer than any libert has ever come in history and split the rabid right vote right down the middle with McCain.

preservanation
05-13-2008, 11:06 AM
A lot of Republicans see Brownback, and those like them, as "pariahs" in that sense as well. But, to the party itself, they're the furthest thing from it. The day that most repubs see good conservatives, like Brownback, as a pariah is the day I leave the party.

preservanation
05-13-2008, 11:10 AM
I was voting Republican for Ron Paul, but now that the party failed to choose him to represent the party, I am voting Libertarian most likely.

In no way, would I vote for a current Democrat..... none hold values or visions I view as reasonable, nor does McCain for that matter.You probably know that Ron Paul could get 20% of the vote in NV, and Romney will even make a showing.
This is a direct result of the conservative unease with McCain.

Osborn F. Enready
05-20-2008, 02:52 PM
I can safely say now, I will NOT be voting for Bob Barr.