Political correctness gone berserk.

[suralos]

A Stanford researcher conducted an informal survey of teens, asking them to list the ten most famous people in American history. He also asked a sample of adults to do the same. The two groups, teens and adults, each representing a cross-section of ethnic and racial backgrounds similar to the population generally (13% black), created very similar lists.

Surprisingly, both groups indicated that 4 out of 10 of America's most famous people have been blacks:

Martin Luther King Jr.;
Rosa Parks;
Harriet Tubman;
Susan B. Anthony;
Benjamin Franklin;
Amelia Earhart;
Oprah Winfrey;
Marilyn Monroe (teens); Betsy Ross (adults);
Thomas Edison;
Albert Einstein (teens); Henry Ford (adults).

Broken down by race, however, the results are shocking, as blacks indicated that 9 out of 10 of the most famous Americans have been blacks. The researcher took an extraordinarily politically correct view of this astonishing racial bias by interpreting it as symbolic of racial integration and increasing social unity.

Here's another interpretation: Political correctness and liberal white guilt have walked off a cliff, driven by public school indoctrination that is apparently overemphasizing elements that advance black power while under-emphasizing important elements that in reality are underwriting the luxury of "feel good" integration and political correctness. Blacks are the racists, and generally incapable of or not interested in reciprocity. Furthermore, they have no minorities' interests at heart but their own. There is no "rainbow" in black. The more that is done for them, the more they expect. There's a huge difference between integration and black empowerment. The former is benevolent and might be well intentioned, but the latter is suicide, not only for whites and others, but for blacks since their achievements owe totally to the accomplishments of predominately white Western civilization.

There seems to be a Martin Luther King Jr Avenue in every large American community. This largely white celebration of how wonderful we are as a people has become another exemplary standard by which blacks measure white racism since anything less than allowing them to realize King's "dream" of the 60's, as they interpret it now, is construed as racist. Yet they don't seem to be held to any such standard for bigotry and bias.

The extreme black bias for Barack Hussein Obama and his anti-American, anti-white associations seems to elude all the alarms that should be going off all over the place about black empowerment, and that seems to be due to a dumbing down of America to accommodate them, as suggested to me by this survey.

Source: http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history-archaeology/presence-famous.html

[AlanC]

Well this is as good an indictment of the school system as I have seen. Tragic actually.

[Buck Laser]

Well this is as good an indictment of the school system as I have seen. Tragic actually.
You actually think this is tragic? My list would also have included Frederick Douglass, but I think that's a pretty good list. Do you care to explain why you find it tragic?

[AlanC]

You actually think this is tragic? My list would also have included Frederick Douglass, but I think that's a pretty good list. Do you care to explain why you find it tragic?

I find it tragic todays teens would find Oprah Winfry and Marilyn Monroe more famous than George Washington, James Madison, Teddy Roosevelt, George Wahsington Carver, Dr. Richard Drew, Oliver Wendell Holmes, Sitting Bull, Abraham Lincoln, Franklin Roosevelt, and on and on....

If the schools were doing their jobs in teaching history and who it is that has contributed to this country, this list would probably look a lot different. Like so many other things, it demonstrates that young people are going through school without getting much of an education.

Its why teens have difficulty finding states or even the country on a map. Its why we are falling behind in science and math education. Its tragic, if you think education is important.

If Oprah Winfry is more famous than George Washington, the schools have not done their job of informing students just who he is.

I am sure that for those that answered, it is a true list. That is the problem.

[suralos]

I find it tragic todays teens would find Oprah Winfry and Marilyn Monroe more famous than George Washington, James Madison, Teddy Roosevelt, George Wahsington Carver, Dr. Richard Drew, Oliver Wendell Holmes, Sitting Bull, Abraham Lincoln, Franklin Roosevelt, and on and on....

Sorry, Alan C. The researchers stipulated presidents and first ladies could not be included. My fault. Think on that for a few seconds, and that's a really good idea. Everything else you wrote is nice shooting. Sorry to mislead.

[BoogyMan]

I believe it should be pointed out that the new impetus for schools seems to be based less upon building a strong educational foundation and more on indoctrination to modern social proclivities.

[Buck Laser]

I am sure that for those that answered, it is a true list. That is the problem.

Well Alan, as you see above, Suralos posted a misleading statement, then took a shot at me because I disagreed. If presidents were excluded from the list then it makes a lot more sense. Given that Suralos has now told the truth, do you still think it's tragic? Please think carefully.

[AlanC]

Sorry, Alan C. The researchers stipulated presidents and first ladies could not be included. My fault. Think on that for a few seconds, and that's a really good idea. Everything else you wrote is nice shooting. Sorry to mislead.

Aha, yeah, that would make a difference. Thanks.

[AlanC]

Well Alan, as you see above, Suralos posted a misleading statement, then took a shot at me because I disagreed. If presidents were excluded from the list then it makes a lot more sense. Given that Suralos has now told the truth, do you still think it's tragic? Please think carefully.


Nope, it is not as tragic. That information simply reduces it a popularity poll on who has acheived modern day celebrity. I should probably thank the stars that Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Edison and Albert Einstien made the list at all.

[Buck Laser]

Nope, it is not as tragic. That information simply reduces it a popularity poll on who has acheived modern day celebrity. I should probably thank the stars that Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Edison and Albert Einstien made the list at all.
What surprises me is that Marilyn Monroe made it. I'm also surprised that no athletes were on the list. I'd at least have expected Michael Jordan. I suspect there were some other exclusions that Suralos didn't mention. Maybe the kids were given a list of people to check off if they recognized them.

It's good that MLK, Harriet Tubman and Rosa Parks get recognition. Each played pivotal roles in changing history, as did Susan B. Anthony. Amelia Earhart was an interesting pick. Not surprised at Oprah Winfrey, either.

[PatrickHenry]

The ten most famous (meaning well-known) Americans in history (no POTUS or FL):

Neil Armstrong

Bill Gates

Elvis Presley

Wilbur and Orville Wright

Henry Ford

John Wayne

Timothy McVeigh

Marilyn Monroe

Rev. Martin Luther King

[Buck Laser]

Marilyn Monroe? Utterly amazing!! She's from my generation. I'm also surprised that McVeigh made that list.

[PatrickHenry]

Marilyn Monroe? Utterly amazing!! She's from my generation. I'm also surprised that McVeigh made that list.
It's subjective!

Make your own.

I just picked a few businessmen, a couple actors, etc.

I could have just as easily gone for Sinatra, Alan Shepard, Clint Eastwood, Schwartzenegger, Shaq, Evel Knievel, Bob Dylan, Charlie Manson, Warren Buffet and JP Morgan.

[Buck Laser]

It's subjective!

Make your own.

I just picked a few businessmen, a couple actors, etc.

I could have just as easily gone for Sinatra, Alan Shepard, Clint Eastwood, Schwartzenegger, Shaq, Evel Knievel, Bob Dylan, Charlie Manson, Warren Buffet and JP Morgan.
Oh. I saw that FL in your post and figured that you were quoting some kind of results from Florida.

[suralos]

YOU SNUFFED MY POST CRITICIZING YOUR INTELLECTUAL PUTZADILLY??Suralos

What's your point, BL?

[Buck Laser]

What's your point, BL?

I just thought it was funny as hell. But then I'm fairly easily amused.

[suralos]

I believe it should be pointed out that the new impetus for schools seems to be based less upon building a strong educational foundation and more on indoctrination to modern social proclivities.

Can you expand on that from experience? Thanks.

[davo]

I don't know whether something is going to snap, but more and more people are waking up to this nonsense. It's obviously coming from the top down; the reasons why journalists and editors make biased articles, and teachers promote this bile in classrooms is because they're paid to. Were they actually to give their honest opinion, their job would be gone in less than 24 hours and they'd be nationally announced as a racist and white supremacist on par with David Duke.

Many people I talk to secretly agree that political correctness is destroying our civilization and thoroughly resent it, but will not say so publically for fear of the consequences. This situation was present in the late days of the Soviet Union where even senior government officials ridiculed the official line of Marxism in private, but did not say so publically for fear of reprisals and intimidation from the thought police.

Of course black people are going to self-identify with black Americans like Rosa Parks and MLK as renowned historical figures while giving lesser preference to the white ones. This behavior is perfectly natural and obvious to anyone who isn't an empty-headed dreamer.

This is why even Hillary Clinton, who along with her husband supported radical left social movements and civil rights causes for African Americans her entire life, often at the expense of whites, is now having problems with political correctness herself. Even her supporters are now portrayed as racist when voting for her, because she's running against a black man.

[GhostintheMachine]

[QUOTE=davo;190745]I don't know whether something is going to snap, but more and more people are waking up to this nonsense. It's obviously coming from the top down; the reasons why journalists and editors make biased articles, and teachers promote this bile in classrooms is because they're paid to. Were they actually to give their honest opinion, their job would be gone in less than 24 hours and they'd be nationally announced as a racist and white supremacist on par with David Duke.

Many people I talk to secretly agree that political correctness is destroying our civilization and thoroughly resent it, but will not say so publically for fear of the consequences. This situation was present in the late days of the Soviet Union where even senior government officials ridiculed the official line of Marxism in private, but did not say so publically for fear of reprisals and intimidation from the thought police.


Of course black people are going to self-identify with black Americans like Rosa Parks and MLK as renowned historical figures while giving lesser preference to the white ones. This behavior is perfectly natural and obvious to anyone who isn't an empty-headed dreamer.

First you must question WHY black people are identifying with other individuals of their race. Studies show that it is because of their experience with discrimination and differential treatment from other races. Therefore, they are granted little or no ethnic mobility in perception(while whites are able to pick and choose their ethnic self perception...e.g. I am German, English, American, etc.) Black group identity is a product of today's society, that still displays a large degree of racial discrimination(read the data if you have doubts). Studies also show that color blindness does not work. Embracing diversity and having the ability to identify with a culture is very helpful way to cope with discrimination. Unfortunately today's society still doesn't allow blacks and other minority groups much choice in their ethnic/cultural mobility. So in my eyes I do not see a problem with blacks identifying with positive heroes of the same race. A study was done on children showing that 9 out of 10 children identified a white doll as "good" and a black doll as "bad." The subject children were both white and black as well. So I really think that whites don't have the room to complain much. Political correctness works to decrease some of the flaws in our language. We will always have biases, but we will never be rid of all of them, so it is important to be aware of them.

[GhostintheMachine]

Here's an interested way to measure your implicit biases
https://implicit.harvard.edu/implicit/demo/selectatest.html

[Easy90]

The ten most famous (meaning well-known) Americans in history (no POTUS or FL):

Neil Armstrong

Bill Gates

Elvis Presley

Wilbur and Orville Wright

Henry Ford

John Wayne

Timothy McVeigh

Marilyn Monroe

Rev. Martin Luther King

I thought number one was actually "Ronald McDonald." I would bet not one American in 50 could tell you what the Wright Brothers ever did. And not one in a hundred know who Timothy McVeigh was. Just my opinion.

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