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Alonzo
05-08-2008, 03:38 AM
Washington: Nobel Peace Prize winner Nelson Mandela and the hero of South Africa’s apartheid struggle still figures on a US terrorist watch-list—the result of a "bureaucratic snafu" according to one American Senator.

The white minority government of South Africa labeled Mandela’s party, the African National Congress, a terrorist group in the 1970s and '80s. The US State Department followed suit and put restrictions on ANC members planning to travel to the US.

US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said Mandela’s name on the watch-list was "embarrassing,".

"South Africa is a country with which we now have excellent relations, but it's frankly a rather embarrassing matter that I still have to waive in my own counterpart, the foreign minister of South Africa, not to mention the great leader Nelson Mandela," Rice said.

Howard Berman, Chairman of the House International Relations Committee, is pushing a Bill that would remove current and former ANC leaders from the watch-list. The Bill’s supporters hope to get it passed before Mandela's 90th birthday on July 18.

"What an indignity," Berman said. "The ANC set an important example: It successfully made the change from armed struggle to peace. We should celebrate the transformation."

Republican Senator Judd Gregg called ANC members' inclusion on the watch-list a "bureaucratic snafu" and pledged to fix the problem.

In 2002, former ANC chairman Tokyo Sexwale was denied a visa. In 2007, Barbara Masekela, South Africa's ambassador to the United States from 2002 to 2006, was denied a visa to visit her ailing cousin and didn't get a waiver until after the cousin had died, Berman's legislation said.

Mandela was imprisoned by the apartheid government for 27 years before being freed in 1990. He was elected South Africa's first black president in 1994.

http://www.ibnlive.com/news/officially-mandela-still-a-terrorist-in-the-us/64469-2.html

PatrickHenry
05-08-2008, 04:40 AM
The State Department is Condi's house.

She can make the damn rulez.

If the ANC is still on the terror list, it's because ol bucky is too pokey to change it.

These poseurs...big salaries and they either do evil or don't do squat...

Osborn F. Enready
05-08-2008, 02:10 PM
Anyone that isn't a NEOCON, is a terrorist......

at least, according to THIS administration.

apdst
05-09-2008, 12:04 AM
Mandela is a commie. Maybe he should be on the terrorist list, maybe he shouldn't, but it doesn't bother me if he's actually on it.

micfranklin
05-09-2008, 01:08 AM
Is everyone forgetting apartheid?

Scribbler1
05-09-2008, 01:32 AM
So if Mandela is on a terrorist watch list because of his anti-apartheid stance, it must mean the US for FOR apartheid, right?

Either that, or the people who compile this list are morons. I feel safer either way.

davo
05-09-2008, 09:39 AM
To be honest, Mandela actually WAS a terrorist before he became a 'freedom fighter'. He held membership in communist organizations and militia movements and was involved in train bombings and things.

micfranklin
05-09-2008, 01:10 PM
But don't you think the U.S. should've had him on the watch list WHILE he was a guerilla fighter, not place him on there 3 decades after it happened?

apdst
05-09-2008, 02:13 PM
But don't you think the U.S. should've had him on the watch list WHILE he was a guerilla fighter, not place him on there 3 decades after it happened?

Was there a terrorist watch list thirty years ago?

Buck Laser
05-09-2008, 06:09 PM
To be honest, Mandela actually WAS a terrorist before he became a 'freedom fighter'. He held membership in communist organizations and militia movements and was involved in train bombings and things.
That's a lot like saying that the leadership of Israel during its fight for nationhood were terrorists. They were, but everyone but the Palestinians calls them "freedom fighters" now. For the most part, I'm not surprised to see which posters here consider Nelson Mandela a terrorist. Fortunately, their assessment is utterly at odds with the rest of the world.

micfranklin
05-09-2008, 07:26 PM
Was there a terrorist watch list thirty years ago?

Sure, it's called the CIA.

apdst
05-09-2008, 10:50 PM
Sure, it's called the CIA.

They weren't terrorists. They were keeping The World safe for Democracy. Every morning you wake up in the freest country in history, be sure and thank CIA.

micfranklin
05-09-2008, 11:16 PM
They weren't terrorists. They were keeping The World safe for Democracy. Every morning you wake up in the freest country in history, be sure and thank CIA.

Didn't say the CIA were terrorists, just said they were the terrorist watch list, the ones who spy on people. Obviously Mandela didn't need them and still doesn't now that apartheid is gone from South Africa.

Alonzo
05-09-2008, 11:25 PM
They weren't terrorists. They were keeping The World safe for Democracy. Every morning you wake up in the freest country in history, be sure and thank CIA.

Why would I thank the CIA if I were in Canada?

apdst
05-10-2008, 12:53 AM
Why would I thank the CIA if I were in Canada?

I guess there wouldn't be any point, since you wouldn't be in the freest country in The World.