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Alonzo
05-07-2008, 09:36 PM
When scientists found out that chimps had better memories than students, there were unkind comments about the calibre of the human competition they faced.

But now an ape has gone one better, trouncing British memory champion Ben Pridmore.

Ayumu, a seven-year-old male brought up in captivity in Japan, did three times as well as Mr Pridmore at a computer game which involved remembering the position of numbers on a screen.

And that's no mean feat - the 30-year-old accountant from Derby is capable of memorising the order of a shuffled pack of cards in under 30 seconds.

Both chimp and man watched a computer screen on which five numbers flashed up at various positions before being obscured by white squares.

They then had to touch the squares in order of the numbers they concealed, from lowest to highest. When the numbers were shown for just a fifth of a second - the blink of an eye - Ayumu got it right almost 90 per cent of the time.

His human opponent scored a rather less impressive 33 per cent, Channel Five programme Extraordinary Animals will reveal.

Mr Pridmore, who spends his evenings memorising 400-digit numbers, ruefully acknowledged that he had met his match.

"I'd rather not be seen on TV doing worse than a chimpanzee in a memory-test," he said. "I'll never live it down!"

The TV tests follow scientific experiments which pitted Ayumu, along with several other young chimps, against a group of university students.

Ayumu was the clear champion, doing twice as well as the humans.

It is thought that young chimps are blessed with photographic memories, allowing them to remember patterns and sequences with amazing accuracy.

Professor Tetsuro Matsuzawa, the Kyoto University researcher behind both sets of experiments, said: "People still believe that humans are superior to chimpanzees in any domain of intelligence.

"That is the prejudice of the people.

"Chimpanzees can be clever in a specific task in comparison to humans."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=510260&in_page_id=1770

I'm beginning to wonder, have we been unknowingly complimenting Bush all these years?

PatrickHenry
05-08-2008, 04:02 AM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=510260&in_page_id=1770

I'm beginning to wonder, have we been unknowingly complimenting Bush all these years?LOL!

Osborn F. Enready
05-08-2008, 02:05 PM
Hey Zo, I would love to see chimps do this without being trained by humans to do it.

Any examples?

piratemonkey
05-08-2008, 02:42 PM
Hey Zo, I would love to see chimps do this without being trained by humans to do it.

Any examples?

But isn't this example even more incredible?

Think about it: We train a chimp to do a task and very quickly the chimp is better than the almost any human at it. That's absolutely amazing.

Alonzo
05-08-2008, 03:01 PM
Hey Zo, I would love to see chimps do this without being trained by humans to do it.

Any examples?

What human do we put down in front of a screen and say "Go!" without them ever having any experience with screens (anyone who uses a computer would already have some training in that area) or telling them what to do with the screen? We train everyone as to what to do, otherwise anyone, human or chimp, would just sit there. They didn't train the chimp anymore than they trained the human.

Besides, the guy he beat said he spends countless hours training his memory anyway.

Osborn F. Enready
05-08-2008, 04:18 PM
piratemonkey said:
But isn't this example even more incredible?

No.

piratemonkey said:
Think about it: We train a chimp to do a task and very quickly the chimp is better than the almost any human at it. That's absolutely amazing.

It is simply humans realizing that chimps are better at some things than humans, due to the NATURE of their existence at this point in time, and evolution.

I am not taking anything away from chimps here, just saying that it (a) doesn't suprise me and (b) it only shows chimps have good memories due most likely to the role their memory has played in their evolutionary survival.

Alonzo said:
What human do we put down in front of a screen and say "Go!" without them ever having any experience with screens (anyone who uses a computer would already have some training in that area) or telling them what to do with the screen? We train everyone as to what to do, otherwise anyone, human or chimp, would just sit there. They didn't train the chimp anymore than they trained the human.

Besides, the guy he beat said he spends countless hours training his memory anyway.

Point?

Alonzo
05-08-2008, 04:20 PM
Point?

Asking for a chimp to navigate this competition, without any training by humans, would have the same result as asking a human to do it, without any training by humans. In both cases they'd do nothing.

Osborn F. Enready
05-08-2008, 04:29 PM
Alonzo said:
Asking for a chimp to navigate this competition, without any training by humans, would have the same result as asking a human to do it, without any training by humans. In both cases they'd do nothing.

I beg to differ.

Humans created the screens, the languages, the writing, the photos, the concept that put all of those things there for the chimp to operate.

You are missing the key part of the equation.

Humans and chimps started off equally.....regarding their position in relation to nature.