Worst in Every Way?

[Troubadour]

Rather than ask whether the George W. Bush regime is the worst "administration" in American history, I would rather ask in greater detail: In the entirety of American history, is the Executive branch under George W. Bush the most...

1. Arrogant?
2. Unethical?
3. Immoral?
4. Insane?
5. Ignorant?
6. Lying?
7. Greedy?
8. Lazy?
9. Careless?
10. Hateful?
11. Belligerent?
12. Abusive?
13. Secretive?
14. Contemptuous?
15. Conspiratorial?
16. Treasonous?
17. Petty?
18. Vindictive?
19. Callous?
20. Irrational?
21. Lacking in empathy?

If the answer to all is "Yes," in your view, answer "Yes." If "no," answer "no." If a combination thereof, answer "Partial yes."

[firefox]

He's not insane or irrational, per se, but he is a decent cog, all things considered 8-).

[Pookie]

I won't say. I'll remain neutral, because it's not up to me to judge this without getting stuck in an argument.
Purrs,
Pookie

[jafar00]

Pure yes for me, but then most of you would expect that from me ;)

[Troubadour]

He's not insane or irrational, per se, but he is a decent cog, all things considered 8-).

No, he is clearly insane. Bush believes that God is not only personally and politically on his side, but has directly encouraged him to take the actions he has. He has insisted on numerous occasions that history will vindicate him (who does that sound like?), and when not joking about the death and anguish he's caused he speaks of himself as an American Hero. The way he talks just doesn't happen outside of psychiatric wards: He doesn't merely look in the mirror and see Jesus, Napoleon, and John Wayne all rolled into one - he thinks we are fools for not seeing it, and is intent on correcting our impressions by personally informing us of how great a leader he is. 100% loony bin escapee.

[Easy90]

Seems to me, the more some people hate America, the more they hate George Bush. Using that as an indicator....Bush must be one of the best presidents in history. If the people who hate you are scum-bags...you have to be doing something right!

[sam]

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/05/01/bush.poll/index.html

WASHINGTON DC (CNN) -- A new poll suggests that President Bush is the most unpopular president in modern American history.
http://i.l.cnn.net/cnn/2008/POLITICS/05/01/bush.poll/art.bush2.ap.jpg A CNN/Opinion Research Corp. poll shows 71 percent disapprove of President Bush's job performance.


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A CNN/Opinion Research Corp. survey released Thursday indicates that 71 percent of the American public disapprove of how Bush is handling his job as president.
"No president has ever had a higher disapproval rating in any CNN or Gallup Poll; in fact, this is the first time that any president's disapproval rating has cracked the 70 percent mark," said Keating Holland, CNN's polling director.
"Bush (http://topics.cnn.com/topics/George_W_Bush)'s approval rating, which stands at 28 percent in our new poll, remains better than the all-time lows set by Harry Truman and Richard Nixon [22 percent and 24 percent, respectively], but even those two presidents never got a disapproval rating in the 70s," Holland said. "The previous all-time record in CNN or Gallup polling was set by Truman, 67 percent disapproval in January 1952."
While Gallup polling goes back to the 1930s, it wasn't until the Truman years that they began surveying monthly approval ratings.
CNN Senior Political Analyst Bill Schneider adds, "He is more unpopular than Richard Nixon was just before he resigned from the presidency in August 1974."
President Nixon's disapproval rating in August 1974 stood at 66 percent
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Bush pushes 3 nations on nuclear issue (http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/04/29/bush.syria/index.html)The poll also indicates that support for the war in Iraq (http://topics.cnn.com/topics/Iraq_War) has never been lower. Thirty percent of those questioned favored the war, while 68 percent opposed it.
"Americans are growing more pessimistic about the war," Holland said. "In January, nearly half believed that things were going well for the U.S. in Iraq; now that figure has dropped to 39 percent."
The numbers on the Iraq war come on the five-year anniversary of Bush's "Mission Accomplished" moment on board the aircraft carrier USS Abraham Lincoln, when he proclaimed that "major combat operations in Iraq have ended."
The record-low support for the war in a CNN poll could be one reason behind the president's unpopularity, but it probably is not the only one.
"Support for the war, the assessment of the economy and approval of Mr. Bush are all about the same -- bad," Schneider said.
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The CNN/Opinion Research Corp. poll was conducted by telephone from Monday through Wednesday among 1,008 adult Americans.
The poll's sampling error is plus or minus 3 percentage

Disaproval doesn't automatically equate with hate. But with an approval rating of less than 30% I guess that means that 70% of the population must really be overjoyed at his performance as President.

I'm not thrilled with any of the nominees in this election; the only consolation I take solace in is knowing that it WON'T be George W. Bush.

[Troubadour]

Seems to me, the more some people hate America, the more they hate George Bush.

There's a term for attitudes like that: Personality cult.

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Using that as an indicator....Bush must be one of the best presidents in history.

Makes perfect sense. Everyone on the planet except George W. Bush is insane.


If the people who hate you are scum-bags...you have to be doing something right!

We know. :)

[Truth_and_Power]

Sorry, I think you'd have to be irrational to say yes to all of those. It's not that I like georgie.. I'm just not blinded by hate.

[Buck Laser]

In his defense, I guess I have to say that he's got a real nice ZIP code.
Temporarily.

[preservanation]

Seems to me, the more some people hate America, the more they hate George Bush. Using that as an indicator....Bush must be one of the best presidents in history. If the people who hate you are scum-bags...you have to be doing something right!Being defined by one's enemies is sometimes a good thing...depending on who your enemies are.

[Wndrtch]

No, he is clearly insane. Bush believes that God is not only personally and politically on his side, but has directly encouraged him to take the actions he has. He has insisted on numerous occasions that history will vindicate him (who does that sound like?), and when not joking about the death and anguish he's caused he speaks of himself as an American Hero. The way he talks just doesn't happen outside of psychiatric wards: He doesn't merely look in the mirror and see Jesus, Napoleon, and John Wayne all rolled into one - he thinks we are fools for not seeing it, and is intent on correcting our impressions by personally informing us of how great a leader he is. 100% loony bin escapee.

Say hi to Georgy for me, will ya?

You obviously know him personally. :unreal:

[NortheastCynic]

I don't hate George Bush. I just recognize his numerous failures; he's simply an awful President. If some want to call me 'anti-American' because that is how I feel, go nuts; you won't find a person on the planet who cares less about juvenile labels such as 'un-American'.

-NC

[micfranklin]

He's not the worst overall and he doesn't strike me as hateful or arrogant but he's one terrible president, made worse by the fact that we let him and Congress do whatever the hell they want and impeachment is nowhere in sight.

But he is the worst president I've seen in my lifetime.

[Buck Laser]

He's not the worst overall and he doesn't strike me as hateful or arrogant but he's one terrible president, made worse by the fact that we let him and Congress do whatever the hell they want and impeachment is nowhere in sight.

But he is the worst president I've seen in my lifetime.

And in my lifetime, Mic. I go back to the FDR days. He makes Nixon look good.

[NortheastCynic]

I go back to the FDR days. He makes Nixon look good.Agreed. FDR does make Nixon look good. :P

Hey, one thing you can say about GW, he hasn't created any concentration camps inside the US yet.

I hear you have to do that to get your head on the dime.

-NC

[micfranklin]

He hasn't tried to wipe out Indians either

*cough* Jackson

[NortheastCynic]

Good point. And it'd be easier to do now since Jackson did about 98.5% of the work already.

What a lazy bastard.

-NC

[Buck Laser]

Agreed. FDR does make Nixon look good. :P

Hey, one thing you can say about GW, he hasn't created any concentration camps inside the US yet.

I hear you have to do that to get your head on the dime.

-NC
You know I meant that Bush makes Nixon look good. His picture is more likely to go on the post office wall than on a coin.

[Phyxius]

Seems to me, the more some people hate America, the more they hate George Bush. Using that as an indicator....Bush must be one of the best presidents in history. If the people who hate you are scum-bags...you have to be doing something right!

Then again, maybe the REAL unpatriotic, un-American scumbags are those who equate love of country with love of George "WTF" Bush. :ponder:


Kinda like those who equated love of country with the love of Hitler...

[Truth_and_Power]

What is more interesting than attempting to fit george to all the invective in the OP is looking at the gallery of presidential pictures. Notice the trends?

http://www.americanpresidents.org/gallery/

The first four are the wig trend, and the first six are the white bowtie trend.
Then there's andrew jackson who stands alone looking GAP-ish in his black shirt.
Van Buren starts a minor 'chops' trend that trails out after john tyler. He also starts the black bowtie trend which lasts all the way through franklin pierce, stops for one, then continues again for a while.
Lincoln starts the beards, and after a clean shaven andrew johnson, Grant continues it but adds the mustache.
The beard starts to fade out at chester arthur but the mustache doesn't have its first hiccup until mckinley and doesn't die out until harding.
Roosevelt starts the necktie which survives until this day, perhaps to be extinguised for hillary.
Last but not least is The Smile. I have seen a number of other galleries and believe that nixon actually started this one, which continues to this day. However in this gallery it appears that carter is the only president to date with something to smile about.

[Buck Laser]

Seems to me, the more some people hate America, the more they hate George Bush. Using that as an indicator....Bush must be one of the best presidents in history. If the people who hate you are scum-bags...you have to be doing something right!
Cheap shot, as usual, Easy. I even have a (made in China) American flag pin. Look on the back of yours to see where it was made. By the way, your back is something I'd certainly enjoy seeing more of. :ponder:

[NortheastCynic]

You know I meant that Bush makes Nixon look good. His picture is more likely to go on the post office wall than on a coin.
I know...Just messin with you...I haven't been able to in a while.

-NC

[ttriber]

I think we've had much worst then Bush look at Jimmy Carter. Iranian hostage take over, economy so messed up that Reagan got elected. Bush is a man of integrity and has had guts to take on the terrorists in a foreign nation rather then at home. He has had his shortcomings just like any other president.
Incidentally, he holds the record for being the most popular president ever with a 90% approval rating. I guess that makes him simultaneously the Most Popular and Least Popular president ever.



It just seems that everything gets blamed on Bush, but has anything great happend in congress? Absolutely nothing and who owns the congress the pesky democrats.

[sam]

I think we've had much worst then Bush look at Jimmy Carter. Iranian hostage take over, economy so messed up that Reagan got elected. Bush is a man of integrity and has had guts to take on the terrorists in a foreign nation rather then at home. He has had his shortcomings just like any other president.
Incidentally, he holds the record for being the most popular president ever with a 90% approval rating. I guess that makes him simultaneously the Most Popular and Least Popular president ever.



It just seems that everything gets blamed on Bush, but has anything great happend in congress? Absolutely nothing and who owns the congress the pesky democrats.

A man of integrity? You have to be joking. I work with staunch Republicans (and Bush supporters from the git go)and even they are discusted with his performance as president.

In what situations did you find him acting in an exemplarary manner? I'm Independent and pretty much moderate in my political beliefs. I agree and disagree with both the Republicans and Democrats on many issues.

I hold the highest the respect for the office for the presidency, but the man who occupies that position has to earn respect as a president. I have none with Bush. If anything, he is a disgrace and an embarrassment as a President.

[Buck Laser]

I know...Just messin with you...I haven't been able to in a while.

-NC

Mess away, NC. Somehow,when I was responding, I thought for a moment it was one of the many new posters. But I don't take anything you say seriously!:nana:

[lily]

Seems to me, the more some people hate America, the more they hate George Bush. Using that as an indicator....Bush must be one of the best presidents in history. If the people who hate you are scum-bags...you have to be doing something right!


You see, I think that is where you get confused.......you think Bush is America. You can't seperate the two.

I don't hate the man, I do hate what he has done to this country.

My son was a staunch Republican.......first time he voted Democrat was in 2004. Told me his conscience wouldn't let him vote for Bush.

[lily]

Incidentally, he holds the record for being the most popular president ever with a 90% approval rating. I guess that makes him simultaneously the Most Popular and Least Popular president ever.

...........and that %90 approval rating was 3 days after we were attacked, with promises of catching the people who did this to us........still waiting on that one.



It just seems that everything gets blamed on Bush, but has anything great happend in congress? Absolutely nothing and who owns the congress the pesky democrats.

Sorry, when you're the leader......the decider if you will.......then you do get blamed for your mistakes.

[Scribbler1]

It just seems that everything gets blamed on Bush, but has anything great happend in congress? Absolutely nothing and who owns the congress the pesky democrats.Do ALL Bush fans suffer from selective amnesia?
FYI, the "pesky" Democrats have held the majority for about one YEAR, while the GOP had the majority since 1994. But you ARE right, nothing great happened in Congress with either party. But don't make it look like the Republicans had no congressional power.

If you're all-inclusive in your criticism of Congress, you have a good point. If you just want to wave pom poms for the GOP, you have no point at all.
If you blame Democrats for every evil under the sun you ALSO have to admit the Republicans have been utter, complete FAILURES at stopping them.

[Troubadour]

Sorry, I think you'd have to be irrational to say yes to all of those.

So you're saying it's logically impossible that one man can be that bad?

It's not that I like georgie.. I'm just not blinded by hate.

Neither am I. Nor am I blinded by fear of being accused of hatred.

Say hi to Georgy for me, will ya?

You obviously know him personally. :unreal:

Ah, so he only acts insane in public, in every action and word, but in private he's actually thoughtful and conscientious...contrary to nearly all accounts. :unreal: The personality cult marches on.


Last but not least is The Smile.

Or, in Bush's case, The Smirk.

[Scribbler1]

Neither am I. Nor am I blinded by fear of being accused of hatred.You just have to call them like you see them.

[micfranklin]

Bush is a man of integrity and has had guts to take on the terrorists in a foreign nation rather then at home. He has had his shortcomings just like any other president.

I read that and laughed for a good solid 3 minutes. What integrity is there in bankrupting a country and letting the notorious 9/11 mastermind terrorist escape capture?

Incidentally, he holds the record for being the most popular president ever with a 90% approval rating. I guess that makes him simultaneously the Most Popular and Least Popular president ever.

Should be rephrased to "most hated" or "most infamous."

It just seems that everything gets blamed on Bush, but has anything great happend in congress? Absolutely nothing and who owns the congress the pesky democrats.

Well....plenty of things he could've said no to...guess what, he didn't. Could've not lied about why we invaded Iraq either, but he and Cheney saw no problem in that too. Both Congress and Bush are guilty here.

[Truth_and_Power]

...........and that %90 approval rating was 3 days after we were attacked, with promises of catching the people who did this to us........still waiting on that one.





Sorry, when you're the leader......the decider if you will.......then you do get blamed for your mistakes.

So I guess that's big on promises and not big on delivery, according to the people.

[NortheastCynic]

Mess away, NC. Somehow,when I was responding, I thought for a moment it was one of the many new posters. But I don't take anything you say seriously!:nana:LOL. Good, that gives me free reign.

on edit: what happened to the smilees, I can't find them?

-NC

[Truth_and_Power]

LOL. Good, that gives me free reign.

on edit: what happened to the smilees, I can't find them?

-NC

You made them frown!

[lily]

on edit: what happened to the smilees, I can't find them?

-NC

In your Miscellaneous Options do you have it set as standard or higher....if not then they are on the right.....and if not, then T&P is right.....you made them frown.

[NortheastCynic]

In your Miscellaneous Options do you have it set as standard or higher....if not then they are on the right.....and if not, then T&P is right.....you made them frown.
We're good, thanks.:worship:

-NC

[ttriber]

Bush has had the best and the worst approval rating. He has had his shortcomings just like other presidents. My belief is that we have had worst president's like Carter and JFK (JFK the one who betrayed the cubans).

To some of my fellow posters here, the problem with some here is that they want a short and quick war when in reality the war on terrorism will be fought for decades to come.

Everytime you turn on a news station all you hear about is talk about recession and the war debt. You never hear any good news coming out of Iraq only on how our troops are dieng. We are not in a recession, the war debt is hard to fix but we must pay a price in order to win.

[Scribbler1]

Bush has had the best and the worst approval rating. He has had his shortcomings just like other presidents. My belief is that we have had worst president's like Carter and JFK (JFK the one who betrayed the cubans).Speaking of Cubans, and since your sig says " The Best Communist is a Dead Communist", what do you think of us being in debt to COMMUNIST China to the tune of almost a TRILLION dollars? Sound fiscal leadership on the part of the POTUS?To some of my fellow posters here, the problem with some here is that they want a short and quick war when in reality the war on terrorism will be fought for decades to come.That's likely true. Too bad Iraq was NOT a good place for terrorists before we invaded it. Try to keep the BS excuses straight. First it was WMD, THEN it was to free the Iraqis, and THEN it was a vaguely defined "threat" of terrorism from Iraq.Everytime you turn on a news station all you hear about is talk about recession and the war debt. You never hear any good news coming out of Iraq only on how our troops are dieng. We are not in a recession, the war debt is hard to fix but we must pay a price in order to win.Maybe there isn't much "good" news from Iraq to REPORT.

Do you believe EVERYTHING that comes out of the White House?

[Troubadour]

I think we've had much worst then Bush look at Jimmy Carter.

Can you break that down into the specific points I asked about in the poll? I.e., comparing Bush and Carter on ethics, morality, honesty, etc?


Iranian hostage take over

Compared to 9/11?


economy so messed up that Reagan got elected.


The economy was better than it is now. Reagan got elected because he was an actor, and knew how to project the right image - he'd have been elected in '76 if his primary bid had succeeded.


Bush is a man of integrity


If integrity means mendacity and evil, you're right.

[GHJ]

Seems to me, the more some people hate America, the more they hate George Bush. Using that as an indicator....Bush must be one of the best presidents in history. If the people who hate you are scum-bags...you have to be doing something right!

That sounds reasonable.

[Scribbler1]

That sounds reasonable.Reasonable, until you take ONE second and realize it is an assumption based on pure BS. People hate Bush because of what they see as things he has done TO America. It isn't the other way around.

Consider this, if you, for instance, hated America, would you give a damn what Bush or the Congress DOES to America? You'd probably like any damage they do to this country, right?
OTOH, if you do indeed love your country you would be pretty upset at the politicians who make you think are harming it, wouldn''t ya?

Think about it. The person you quoted obviously doesn't.

[preservanation]

I think we've had much worst then Bush look at Jimmy Carter. Iranian hostage take over, economy so messed up that Reagan got elected. Bush is a man of integrity and has had guts to take on the terrorists in a foreign nation rather then at home. He has had his shortcomings just like any other president.
Incidentally, he holds the record for being the most popular president ever with a 90% approval rating. I guess that makes him simultaneously the Most Popular and Least Popular president ever.



It just seems that everything gets blamed on Bush, but has anything great happend in congress? Absolutely nothing and who owns the congress the pesky democrats.Let's list themmm...
Since the Dem 06 congress was elected:
Gas prices through the roof, food prices out of control, housing market slump, stock market down, unemployment up, consumer confidence low, Iran building nukes in defiance of the world community, and crime is up...help me out on the rest.

The only thing they may be able to take credit for is the drop in global temps...I'm not quite sure how they did it, but congrats on that. :thumbsup:

[Scribbler1]

Let's list themmm...
Since the Dem 06 congress was elected:
Gas prices through the roof, food prices out of control, housing market slump, stock market down, unemployment up, consumer confidence low, Iran building nukes in defiance of the world community, and crime is up...help me out on the rest.I can't help you there, but just how much of that stuff can you actually pin on the Democrats? As bad as I think the Democratic Party is, they have also only been in power for a little more than a year. Before that there was a Republican president and a Republican congress and I suspect THEIR policies have had a lot to do with the situations you mentioned.

[preservanation]

I can't help you there, but just how much of that stuff can you actually pin on the Democrats? As bad as I think the Democratic Party is, they have also only been in power for a little more than a year. Before that there was a Republican president and a Republican congress and I suspect THEIR policies have had a lot to do with the situations you mentioned.
No more than you can blame Al Q on Bush or the 2001 recession.
Get with it.

[Scribbler1]

No more than you can blame Al Q on Bush or the 2001 recession.
Get with it.I don't recall blaming alQ for ANY of our domestic problems, but not blaming Bush for the 2001 recession doesn't absolve him from anything else by default. There's a LOT on Bush's plate he is responsible for.
And it's pretty well accepted that major economic conditions a president has to handle in his first term are usually passed on from the previous administration.

Which brings us to THIS recession, late in Bush's SECOND term...

[ptif219]

Imagine that another hate Bush poll/post!!!

I wonder if the liberals know Bush is not running for office anymore? :madlaugh:

[Scribbler1]

Imagine that another hate Bush poll/post!!!

I wonder if the liberals know Bush is not running for office anymore? :madlaugh:I wonder if YOU know anything you do does not go away after you leave office.
If you are a lousy president NOW, you don't get to be a great president when your term is up. And despite your clever little observation, everyone here KNOWS Bush isn't running.

[Professor]

Is Bush insane? I don't think he is at all insane. Nixon had mental health issues and it showed but Bush doesn't. His administration seems to have a bit of the Kennedy Curse; nepotism, narcissism with his own addition of megalomania.

[Troubadour]

Is Bush insane? I don't think he is at all insane. Nixon had mental health issues and it showed but Bush doesn't. His administration seems to have a bit of the Kennedy Curse; nepotism, narcissism with his own addition of megalomania.

You're joking, right? You are aware that Bush literally believes his policies to be the Will of God, and to have received direct instructions from God in forming them?

[Rage]

Rather than ask whether the George W. Bush regime is the worst "administration" in American history, I would rather ask in greater detail: In the entirety of American history, is the Executive branch under George W. Bush the most...

1. Arrogant?
2. Unethical?
3. Immoral?
4. Insane?
5. Ignorant?
6. Lying?
7. Greedy?
8. Lazy?
9. Careless?
10. Hateful?
11. Belligerent?
12. Abusive?
13. Secretive?
14. Contemptuous?
15. Conspiratorial?
16. Treasonous?
17. Petty?
18. Vindictive?
19. Callous?
20. Irrational?
21. Lacking in empathy?

If the answer to all is "Yes," in your view, answer "Yes." If "no," answer "no." If a combination thereof, answer "Partial yes."

I voted no, but he could have done more I suppose. Passed some bills to please the crowd.

[Troubadour]

I voted no, but he could have done more I suppose. Passed some bills to please the crowd.

I see.

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[Rage]

I see.

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Yes, exactly.