Anti-Abortion Extremist Must Stay 50 Feet from Mississippi Clinic

[Alonzo]

A judge sentenced anti-abortion extremist Roy McMillan to stay at least 50 feet away from Mississippi's only abortion clinic. Two weeks ago, McMillan admitted to breaking a federal consent decree he had signed in 1996 that required him to stay 25 feet away from the clinic.

Dr. Joseph Booker, the abortion provider at the Jackson Women's Health Organization, filed a federal complaint and testified in court that he feared for his life. According to the Clarion Ledger, Dr. Booker's complaint stated that McMillan threatened him by making comments such as "Your days are numbered, Booker."

Dr. Booker testified, saying that McMillan "has become more blatant in his actions, and his body mannerisms are just chilling to me. I've started wearing a bulletproof vest."

However, Judge Henry Wingate ruled that there was no indication that McMillan had threatened Dr. Booker.

The Clarion Ledger reports that McMillan said he would be outside the clinic after his April 5 sentencing.

Visit the National Clinic Access Project (http://www.feminist.org/rrights/ncapabout.asp) to learn more about stopping anti-abortion extremism.

http://www.msmagazine.com/news/uswirestory.asp?ID=10932

[Osborn F. Enready]

And people didn't think we had homegrown terrorist extremists.....


To no suprise however, these extremists are fueled by the same fuel as the extremists we label international terrorists... religion.....

[PostmodernProphet]

"Go home with your intolerant views," shouted an abortion rights advocate.a classic if I ever heard one....

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2005-01-23-roe-wade_x.htm

a more common example of an abortion clinic protest and the treatment of protesters by abortion clinic staff....

http://www.gloria.tv/?video=plexkbcvnjyprlb250ju

http://prolifecorner.com/files/video/Warningkeith.swf

[1Samuel8]

It is important to note that the security and hence the business of the abortion clinic is subsidized by all tax-payers -- pro-abortion and anti-abortion tax-payers alike.

[Mouth Full Of Teeth]

a more common example of an abortion clinic protest and the treatment of protesters by abortion clinic staff....

There's no doubt that some of the pro-choice folks acted badly...but "common" treatment that the anti-choice folks receive?

And, of course, your videos only show bad behavior on one side...

[preservanation]

There's no doubt that some of the pro-choice folks acted badly...but "common" treatment that the anti-choice folks receive?

Pro-Choice, Anti-Choice...?
How about Pro-Abortion and Anti-Abortion?
Or is that just too descriptivly accurate?

[Buck Laser]

Pro-Choice, Anti-Choice...?
How about Pro-Abortion and Anti-Abortion?
Or is that just too descriptivly accurate?
So why don't you just use baby killers and make everyone happy, Preserv?

[PostmodernProphet]

There's no doubt that some of the pro-choice folks acted badly...but "common" treatment that the anti-choice folks receive?

And, of course, your videos only show bad behavior on one side...

it's a free country....you are welcome to post videos of bad behavior on the part of anti-abortion protestors.....

[PostmodernProphet]

So why don't you just use baby killers and make everyone happy, Preserv?

that would be appropriate....

[Saigio]

Pro-Choice, Anti-Choice...?
How about Pro-Abortion and Anti-Abortion?
Or is that just too descriptivly accurate?

Because pro-choice means you support the right to make a choice.
Pro-abortion means you want people to only have abortions.
So it would be highly innacurate.

[Mouth Full Of Teeth]

Pro-Choice, Anti-Choice...?
How about Pro-Abortion and Anti-Abortion?
Or is that just too descriptivly accurate?

It is a question of semantics, isn't it?

I'm pro-choice, but I don't think anyone is really "pro-abortion".
I'll tell you what. If you use "pro-choice", I'll use "pro-life".

[Mouth Full Of Teeth]

it's a free country....you are welcome to post videos of bad behavior on the part of anti-abortion protestors.....

I'm free to question you're posting a skewed view of the "treatment" people recieve, too, right?

[PatrickHenry]

...I don't think anyone is really "pro-abortion"...

See, you hang around this forum and you learn something new every day.

http://www.democracyforums.com/showthread.php?t=8647
Yes, I'm pro-abortion. I don't mean pro-choice, I don't mean pro-abortion in cases of incest or rape, I mean that I'm pro-abortion. I'm pro-abortion because abortion is a great benefit to society.

[Mouth Full Of Teeth]

See, you hang around this forum and you learn something new every day.

http://www.democracyforums.com/showthread.php?t=8647

Wow...

Current score:
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Patrick Henry - 1

[PatrickHenry]

Aw, shucks...

[Alonzo]

Shocking, maybe. But the shock lessens significantly if you read the entire piece. I used multiple sources to back up my argument as well.

[PatrickHenry]

No, it's still shocking, Alonzo.

The shining example of a perfect liberal.

Pro-abortion.

[PostmodernProphet]

I'm free to question you're posting a skewed view of the "treatment" people recieve, too, right?

I guess it's up to you to show it's skewed....I provided empirical evidence....I leave it to you to do the same.....

[Mouth Full Of Teeth]

I guess it's up to you to show it's skewed....I provided empirical evidence....I leave it to you to do the same.....

Uh...read the original story...

[PostmodernProphet]

Uh...read the original story...

actually, I may have done a better job of that than you....the judge decided "there was no indication that McMillan had threatened Dr. Booker"....

[Mouth Full Of Teeth]

actually, I may have done a better job of that than you....the judge decided "there was no indication that McMillan had threatened Dr. Booker"....

Oh, I get it. It's persecution against the pro-lifers that the judge imposed the 50 foot restriction...

So, even though you believe the judge on the one hand, you think he's being corrupt on the other. How convenient.

[PostmodernProphet]

Oh, I get it. It's persecution against the pro-lifers that the judge imposed the 50 foot restriction...

So, even though you believe the judge on the one hand, you think he's being corrupt on the other. How convenient.

what a strange response.....no, I was just pointing out that the judge decided that this case was NOT supported by evidence of what you claimed it demonstrated......and in which of my posts did I call the judge corrupt?.....is making shit up about what I believe "convenient" for you?.....

what am I saying...of course it is, just as the Doctor was determined to have been making shit up about the protestor, just as the left is prone to make shit up about ALL abortion protesters.....

[Mouth Full Of Teeth]

what a strange response.....no, I was just pointing out that the judge decided that this case was NOT supported by evidence of what you claimed it demonstrated......and in which of my posts did I call the judge corrupt?.....is making shit up about what I believe "convenient" for you?.....

So then you believe the judge imposed the 50 foot restriction for no reason?

[PostmodernProphet]

So then you believe the judge imposed the 50 foot restriction for no reason?

no, I believe you said I believed the judge corrupt for no reason....I believe the doctor accused the protesters of threatening him for no reason....I believe the left is prone to think that all the harassment and violence is caused by the anti-abortionists for no reason....and in general I think the left lacks "reason"......

[preservanation]

It is a question of semantics, isn't it?

I'm pro-choice, but I don't think anyone is really "pro-abortion".

Well I think you think wrong.
I have seen women with T-shirts and cars with bumper stickers on them that read, "I had an abortion, and proud of it".
As a matter of fact in the 70's having an abortion was a positive social statement. It was encouraged (and still is especially in abortion clinics) as something to be heralded as stemming population growth, saving our resources and proclaiming female independence...Of course in the case of the clinics it about money, but that's another issue on another thread.

[Mouth Full Of Teeth]

no, I believe you said I believed the judge corrupt for no reason....I believe the doctor accused the protesters of threatening him for no reason....I believe the left is prone to think that all the harassment and violence is caused by the anti-abortionists for no reason....and in general I think the left lacks "reason"......

So, why do you think that the judge imposed the 50 foot ban?

[PostmodernProphet]

So, why do you think that the judge imposed the 50 foot ban?

I have no idea...I would have to hear all the evidence that the judge heard.....

however, since it is found in the same paragraph, this might give a clue "Two weeks ago, McMillan admitted to breaking a federal consent decree he had signed in 1996 that required him to stay 25 feet away from the clinic.".......

[PostmodernProphet]

but I don't think anyone is really "pro-abortion".

how about doctors who make money performing abortions?....do you think they are pro-abortion?.......

[Elrathin]

hdo you think they are pro-abortion?.......

No, just as doctors that perform surgeries are not pro-injury.

[PostmodernProphet]

No, just as doctors that perform surgeries are not pro-injury.

lol, sure....abortion clinics operate solely for humanitarian reasons.....:nana:

[Mouth Full Of Teeth]

I have no idea...I would have to hear all the evidence that the judge heard.....

however, since it is found in the same paragraph, this might give a clue "Two weeks ago, McMillan admitted to breaking a federal consent decree he had signed in 1996 that required him to stay 25 feet away from the clinic.".......

So, now that we have that established...

Originally Posted by PostmodernProphet
I guess it's up to you to show it's skewed....I provided empirical evidence....I leave it to you to do the same.....

Uh...read the original story...

[PostmodernProphet]

So, now that we have that established...



Uh...read the original story...

so we can go full circle?.....okay sounds like fun....I did, you didn't....there is nothing in the OP to support the claim....now, feel free to provide some empirical evidence of activities similar to those I documented.....your turn.....

[PostmodernProphet]

http://www.moonbattery.com/pro-life.jpg

[Mouth Full Of Teeth]

so we can go full circle?.....okay sounds like fun....I did, you didn't....there is nothing in the OP to support the claim....now, feel free to provide some empirical evidence of activities similar to those I documented.....your turn.....

Oh, I get it. It's persecution against the pro-lifers that the judge imposed the 50 foot restriction...

So, even though you believe the judge on the one hand, you think...ah...forget it...

[Mia]

It is important to note that the security and hence the business of the abortion clinic is subsidized by all tax-payers -- pro-abortion and anti-abortion tax-payers alike.

I don't agree with that at all. I mean yes, taxpayers bear the cost of the court cases and police services, etc. but to say that by extension it's paying for abortion,,,,,,no. It's to pay for due process and security for a legal business that is entitled to such.


lol, sure....abortion clinics operate solely for humanitarian reasons.....:nana:

Um, yeah, a lot DO. There are a lot more profitable things to do than to put yourself as risk of being killed, you whole building bombed - to insinuate they are all after the money is ignorant.

[Mia]

No, it's still shocking, Alonzo.

The shining example of a perfect liberal.

Pro-abortion.

I think pro-choice is an example of a liberal stance. I don't know what to call pro-abortion.

'Benefits to society'.

Not really shocking. In communist countries sometimes abortions are forced for the good of society.

Please don't label that liberal, it's so much further,,,,,,,,

[PostmodernProphet]

Oh, I get it. It's persecution against the pro-lifers that the judge imposed the 50 foot restriction...

So, even though you believe the judge on the one hand, you think...ah...forget it...

let's try a different approach...since you believe the OP cites conduct on the part of the anti-abortion protesters which demonstrates threatening activity, please cut and paste that portion of the OP which you believe does so.....or, in the alternative, come up with some other cut and paste which you believe does so.....

[PostmodernProphet]

Um, yeah, a lot DO. There are a lot more profitable things to do than to put yourself as risk of being killed, you whole building bombed - to insinuate they are all after the money is ignorant.

sorry, Mia, but I don't buy into it with the same level of gullibility that you do.....by the way, no abortion clinics have been bombed in over ten years, and the folks who bombed those are all in jail.....

[Mouth Full Of Teeth]

let's try a different approach...since you believe the OP cites conduct on the part of the anti-abortion protesters which demonstrates threatening activity, please cut and paste that portion of the OP which you believe does so.....or, in the alternative, come up with some other cut and paste which you believe does so.....

Oh, I get it. It's persecution against the pro-lifers that the judge imposed the 50 foot restriction...

So, even though you believe the judge on the one hand, you think...ah...forget it...

[Mia]

sorry, Mia, but I don't buy into it with the same level of gullibility that you do.....by the way, no abortion clinics have been bombed in over ten years, and the folks who bombed those are all in jail.....

So now I'm gullible if I have a different opinion? LOL.

OK, how about you back up your statement and prove that all abortion Drs. are out for pure profit, and there are none who believe they are performing as important of a service as delivering live babies?

[Alonzo]

sorry, Mia, but I don't buy into it with the same level of gullibility that you do.....by the way, no abortion clinics have been bombed in over ten years, and the folks who bombed those are all in jail.....

Here's a list of some recent ones. The pro-lifers described below are, for the most part, very stupid and/or incompetent terrorists. There's a priest who crashed into a building and pulled out an ax. Then there's the guy who threw a bomb....... but missed the building.

According to NAF, since 1977 in the United States and Canada, property crimes committed against abortion providers have included 41 bombings, 173 arsons, 91 attempted bombings or arsons, 619 bomb threats, 1630 incidents of trespassing, 1264 incidents of vandalism, and 100 attacks with butyric acid ("stink bombs").[8] The first clinic arson occurred in Oregon in March 1976 and the first bombing occurred in February 1978 in Ohio.[13] More recent incidents have included:[5]

* October 1999: Martin Uphoff set fire to a Planned Parenthood clinic in Sioux Falls, South Dakota, causing US$100 worth of damage. He was later sentenced to 60 months in prison.

* May 28, 2000: An arson at a clinic in Concord, New Hampshire on resulted in damage estimated at US$20,000.

* October 1, 2000: A Catholic priest drove his car into the Northern Illinois Health Clinic after learning that the FDA had approved the drug RU-486. He pulled out an ax before being shot at by a security guard.

* June 11, 2001: A bombing at a clinic in Tacoma, Washington on destroyed a wall, resulting in US$6000 in damages

* July 4, 2005: A clinic Palm Beach, Florida was the target of an arson.

* December 12, 2005: Patricia Hughes and Jeremy Dunahoe threw a Molotov cocktail at a clinic in Shreveport, Louisiana. The device missed the building and no damage was caused. In August 2006, Hughes was sentenced to six years in prison, and Dunahoe to one year.

* April 25, 2007: A package left at a women's health clinic in Austin, Texas contained an explosive device capable of inflicting serious injury or death. A bomb squad detonated the device.[14]

* May 9, 2007: An unidentified person deliberately set fire to a Planned Parenthood clinic in Virginia Beach, Virginia.[15]

* December 6, 2007: Two unidentified persons set fire to a Planned Parenthood clinic in Albuquerque, New Mexico.[16]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion-related_violence#Arson.2C_bombing.2C_and_property_ crime

[Mia]

50 feet isn't far enough away.

[PostmodernProphet]

Oh, I get it. It's persecution against the pro-lifers that the judge imposed the 50 foot restriction...

So, even though you believe the judge on the one hand, you think...ah...forget it...

standard approach when the left can't come up with evidence....they forget it....

[PostmodernProphet]

there are none who believe they are performing as important of a service as delivering live babies?

find me one who does and I will take it back.....

[PostmodernProphet]

Here's a list of some recent ones.

thanks for the response, Zo....I have to say, I was surprised...certainly these haven't been widely reported, to my knowledge....as you say, not very competent terrorists.....$100 damage in one instance, a clear miss in others....nine instances in ten years, compared to something like 1.4 million members in the Right To Life organization alone?.......obviously, violence is not a prime activity among the abortion opponents......

[Mia]

thanks for the response, Zo....I have to say, I was surprised...certainly these haven't been widely reported, to my knowledge....as you say, not very competent terrorists.....$100 damage in one instance, a clear miss in others....nine instances in ten years, compared to something like 1.4 million members in the Right To Life organization alone?.......obviously, violence is not a prime activity among the abortion opponents......

OK, but that's not the point you were attempting to make when you alleged that abortion Drs. are out for profit only. I pointed to the dangers of doing their job and you said that 'doesn't happen any more'.

How could I prove to you anything? I could post many articles interviewing abortion Drs. and what they say their reasons are,,,,,,any that didn't agree with your view you'd say they're lying, and I'm 'gullible' to believe them,,,,

There are enough facts to support your stance on abortion - sad that you have to resort to the tactics you often do.

[PostmodernProphet]

I pointed to the dangers of doing their job and you said that 'doesn't happen any more'.

/shrugs...oh, I stand behind that claim.....close to a million abortions have been performed each year for the last ten years.....in that period of time, there have been fewer than one act of violence per year.....you would be better off saying that they should be paid large sums of money because they suffer a high risk of being electrocuted by handling their medical equipment while standing in puddles of water....I suspect the risk of that is higher than dying from a bombing.....

[PostmodernProphet]

sad that you have to resort to the tactics you often do

sorry, but against the lives of 46 million children I won't hesitate to hurt the feelings of doctors who have made baby butchery a major industry.....

[Alonzo]

you would be better off saying that they should be paid large sums of money because they suffer a high risk of being electrocuted by handling their medical equipment while standing in puddles of water....I suspect the risk of that is higher than dying from a bombing.....

Are you suggesting that they caused the violence, or that it's somehow their fault?

[Mia]

Again, you're shifting the argument. I wasn't proposing what they should be paid.

In terms of tactics, who mentioned 'hurting the feelings' of Drs.? I'm referring to dishonest debate.

[PostmodernProphet]

Are you suggesting that they caused the violence, or that it's somehow their fault?]

???...uh, no....I am saying there isn't a very high risk of being injured or killed by violent anti-abortion protesters....

[Alonzo]

You compared it to people wanting more money because they hold electrical equipment while standing in water. Seems like a bad comparison then.

[PostmodernProphet]

Again, you're shifting the argument. I wasn't proposing what they should be paid.

In terms of tactics, who mentioned 'hurting the feelings' of Drs.? I'm referring to dishonest debate.

this mini-thread within a thread started because I made the comment that doctors who profit from abortion were pro-abortion....you responded to the effect that they ought to be able to earn a profit because there is a high risk of being killed or bombed.....in truth, there is NOT a high risk of being killed or bombed.....where does the dishonest debate come in.....

[PostmodernProphet]

You compared it to people wanting more money because they hold electrical equipment while standing in water. Seems like a bad comparison then.

no, I wasn't....I was comparing the risk of being killed or bombed by a violent anti-abortion protester to the risk of being electrocuted....I was being sarcastic...I am not proposing paying abortion providers more money for anything....in fact, I am proposing putting them out of business entirely......

[Mia]

this mini-thread within a thread started because I made the comment that doctors who profit from abortion were pro-abortion....you responded to the effect that they ought to be able to earn a profit because there is a high risk of being killed or bombed.....in truth, there is NOT a high risk of being killed or bombed.....where does the dishonest debate come in.....


I said nothing of the kind. What I said was there are easier ways to make money than choosing to perform the procedure that exposes oneself to possibly being killed or having their business bombed.

I didn't even mention the emotional and psychological warfare they endure.

Some of them endure this because they believe it to be an important humanitarian service to provide, this is what you were attempting to refute.

[PostmodernProphet]

Some of them endure this because they believe it to be an important humanitarian service to provide, this is what you were attempting to refute.

that I am not attempting to refute.....I am too busy ridiculing it.....money for corpses.....that's what motivates them.....

[PostmodernProphet]

What I said was there are easier ways to make money than choosing to perform the procedure that exposes oneself to possibly being killed or having their business bombed.

and again, since the chance of them being killed or having their business bombed is almost nil, the argument is bogus.....

[Mia]

that I am not attempting to refute.....I am too busy ridiculing it.....money for corpses.....that's what motivates them.....

Right. They ENJOY it AND get to make money. They are just good Americans, I guess, then. If you can make a living following your bliss, you are very blessed indeed :thumbsup:

[PostmodernProphet]

Right. They ENJOY it AND get to make money. They are just good Americans, I guess, then. If you can make a living following your bliss, you are very blessed indeed :thumbsup:

it would be an odd deity that would bless an abortionist.....

[Osborn F. Enready]

PMP said:
it would be an odd deity that would bless an abortionist.....

probably the same one the blesses ill founded and non defensive wars.......

Oh wait, that is all of them, if you believe the "preachers" of said religions.....

[PostmodernProphet]

probably the same one the blesses ill founded and non defensive wars.......

Oh wait, that is all of them, if you believe the "preachers" of said religions.....

you can check with him on that someday.....

[Osborn F. Enready]

PMP said:
you can check with him on that someday.....

I doubt it.... he/she wouldn't want to hear anything I have to say to their hypocrite ass.

[1Samuel8]

It is important to note that the security and hence the business of the abortion clinic is subsidized by all tax-payers -- pro-abortion and anti-abortion tax-payers alike.I don't agree with that at all. I mean yes, taxpayers bear the cost of the court cases and police services, etc. but to say that by extension it's paying for abortion,,,,,,no. Well, that is not what I said. I said "the security and hence the business" and you quoted me.
Interestingly, you inferred that it means the same as paying for abortion. That was YOUR inference, not mine.

It's to pay for due process and security for a legal business that is entitled to such. That is a different inference too and a different argument.