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Cobra
04-26-2008, 05:16 AM
He's acting with in the law and as long as he keeps it that way I don't see the problem.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080425/ap_on_re_us/immigration_sheriff;_ylt=AnVXN2bkn7ueMTHBCAdmKYhvz wcF

GUADALUPE, Ariz. - The self-proclaimed "toughest sheriff in America" has been making forays into Phoenix and nearby Guadalupe and sweeping up illegal immigrants, drawing howls of protest from the cities' mayors and other community leaders.

While Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio has legal authority to enforce the law in cities within his county, politicians and activists are accusing him of grandstanding and, worse, racial profiling.

A total of 150 people — 73 of them illegal immigrants — were arrested by Arpaio's deputies in the raids on heavily Hispanic sections in late March and early April.

"I was upset. We did not request them here," said Guadalupe Mayor Rebecca Jimenez, who charged that the patrols were meant to raise Arpaio's profile for his re-election campaign this year.

Guadalupe, a community of about 6,000 people that relies on the sheriff's office for police protection, is taking steps to find another department to patrol its streets.

As for Phoenix, Mayor Phil Gordon said Arpaio should be concentrating on more pressing duties such as finding people with warrants against them, and he has asked for a federal civil rights investigation, complaining the sheriff is singling out people who are "driving with a broken taillight or have brown skin." The U.S. Justice Department refused to comment.

And in Mesa, Arizona's third-largest city, the police chief has requested two days' notice of any sweeps Arpaio might conduct there, so that his officers can be prepared for any unrest.

Arpaio has long had a reputation for in-your-face tactics. He is known for making jail inmates wear pink underwear, assigning them to old-style chain gangs, and serving them green bologna sandwiches.

He began pushing the boundaries on immigration three years ago when he set up a special unit to deal with people sneaking across the border. Since then, his office has arrested 900 illegal immigrants under a state human smuggling law and set up a hot line for reporting immigration violations.

Arpaio said the recent sweeps were prompted in part by business owners' complaints about crime among illegal immigrants.

"It isn't racial profiling," the sheriff said. "We don't arrest just anybody on a street corner."

He said the 150 people arrested were approached or pulled over in traffic stops because deputies had probable cause to believe they had committed crimes. It was only afterward that deputies found nearly half were illegal immigrants, the sheriff said.

The crackdowns have led to demonstrations by protesters on both sides of the immigration debate.

Opponents lined streets in Guadalupe earlier this month, honking horns and holding up signs with slogans such as "Arpaio Stop Using Guadalupe!" One vehicle had "Proud to Be Brown" written on one of its windows.

Alex Rivera, an American-born landscaper living in Guadalupe, said that during the crackdown there, he saw a Hispanic driver get pulled over twice by deputies.

"It made me angry," Rivera said. "If they let him go once, it gives you the point that he didn't do anything or he didn't have anything. So they let him go once. And then they pulled him over? Of course, the guy looked totally Hispanic."

Civil rights advocates said Arpaio is spreading fear among Hispanics, illegal or not. "You have cooks, landscapers, nannies afraid to drive," said Hector Yturralde, president of the group Somos America.

Still, many others in Arizona are frustrated over the flow of illegal immigrants across the border, and the sheriff has received hundreds of letters of support, along with a request from a group of state lawmakers to go into Mesa. (Arpaio said he is planning a sweep in Mesa but is reluctant to warn the police department there for fear the chief will tip off the community and stir up demonstrations.)

Judith Bederka, a retired postal worker from Mesa, said Arpaio is the only local official doing something about illegal immigration. "He is doing what everybody wants him to do," Bederka said.

The U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency said the sheriff has stayed within the bounds of an agreement that gave special immigration training and powers to 160 of his officers. The agency said it knows of no abuses by Arpaio's office.

Weeks after the crackdown, 20 Spanish-speaking day laborers gathered at a dusty intersection to wait for people to offer them work. Ramon Arajon Contreras, a laborer from Mexico who has lived in Guadalupe for eight years, said the sweep frightened him so much that he hid out in his house until it was over. He said he is still afraid.

"If I see immigration officers," he said, "it's like I see the devil."

Alonzo
04-26-2008, 05:19 AM
Why can a country sheriff override the mayor or the towns police? Is this normal in other parts of the country? Only the state and federal government should be able to do that.

Cobra
04-26-2008, 05:21 AM
If the city is using county sherrif services they'll get what they get within the law. I assume the city residents are part of the county and voted this sherrif in.

Alonzo
04-26-2008, 05:41 AM
County sheriff services? Such as what?

I'm really at a loss with the whole county system. I don't really understand it and i don't understand how one guy can override the will of the elected city officials and the city police department. It's different than it is here.

MrHappy
04-26-2008, 05:59 AM
I assume the city residents are part of the county and voted this sherrif in.
Yes, Sheriff Joe only operates in Maricopa County, and within the law. And the war against illegals will be fought on the local level. Forget about the feds.

Drocket
04-26-2008, 07:01 AM
What he's doing is racial profiling, plain and simple. Instead of solving real crimes, the police are too busy harassing everyone with a skin tone darker than khaki. And God help you if you're a legal citizen of Hispanic descent who doesn't happen to have proof on you when you're randomly stopped.

Its amazing how fast our country has turned into the USSR. It wasn't that long ago the line "show me your papers" was something we mocked them for because we, after all, were a FREE country. Now, though - you BETTER have your papers...

lawless168
04-26-2008, 04:37 PM
What he's doing is racial profiling, plain and simple. Instead of solving real crimes, the police are too busy harassing everyone with a skin tone darker than khaki. And God help you if you're a legal citizen of Hispanic descent who doesn't happen to have proof on you when you're randomly stopped.

Its amazing how fast our country has turned into the USSR. It wasn't that long ago the line "show me your papers" was something we mocked them for because we, after all, were a FREE country. Now, though - you BETTER have your papers...

Sad isn’t it. Don't you wish people would just obey laws and rules and we wouldn't have to come down to this level?

Yes, being mad at the people trying to stop the illegals instead of the illegals make perfect sense *rolls eyes*

micfranklin
04-26-2008, 05:05 PM
Well Arizona sits on the Mexican border, and there's sure to be plenty of illegals making their way into the southwest.

AlanC
04-26-2008, 07:53 PM
Actually, since we started cracking down on employers, it seems a great many of them are heading to Texas instead.


It seems my link no longer works, but it was from the Houston newspaper. It seems both Arizona and Oklahoma passed much tougher illegal immigration laws this year and the result has been a migration from those two states into Texas, which is seen as a bit more freindly. At least that was the point of the article.

In Arizona, employers are required to check any new hires with a social security data base, or some data base, and verify they are here legally. If they are caught hiring illegals, they can pay a fine for the first time or lose their business license for any repeat violations..

Trish
04-26-2008, 08:43 PM
What he's doing is racial profiling, plain and simple. Instead of solving real crimes, the police are too busy harassing everyone with a skin tone darker than khaki. And God help you if you're a legal citizen of Hispanic descent who doesn't happen to have proof on you when you're randomly stopped.

Its amazing how fast our country has turned into the USSR. It wasn't that long ago the line "show me your papers" was something we mocked them for because we, after all, were a FREE country. Now, though - you BETTER have your papers...


I hate to break it to you, but "Mexican" isn't a race - neither is "Hispanic" - so "racial" profiling isn't a factor - "Nationality" profiling maybe - but that's the point isn't it - finding ILLEGAL non-US nationals?

Easy90
04-26-2008, 09:34 PM
County sheriff services? Such as what?

I'm really at a loss with the whole county system. I don't really understand it and i don't understand how one guy can override the will of the elected city officials and the city police department. It's different than it is here.

In some states, (AZ is one of them) the County Sheriff is the most powerful law enforcement official available. His authority over legal issues "in his jurisdiction" is actually higher than Federal law enforcement. The Sheriff isn't "beholding" to the will of politicians in the county, including the mayor or city council. He isn't subject to being told how to run his business by these people. He is independently elected, and his authority comes from the State Constitution.

Arizona is a pretty large state, but only has 15 counties. Maricopa County is over 9200 sq miles in size, (about the size of the state of Vermont)...and has 25 cities within it, including Phoenix. Most, if not all of those municipalities have local police. Of course, there are State police districts in the county. The Sheriff patrols the entire county...including all the areas with other police presence. The Sheriff runs a huge jail system within the county. I guess, what I am saying with all that is, the Sheriff is a very powerful law enforcement official...and has the power of arrest for any crime or criminal within his district. Crossing into the US illegally is a crime. The Sheriff has the authority to arrest you for doing it. I wonder why any American would find that objectionable?

Pookie
04-26-2008, 10:05 PM
I pretty much agree with you, Easy. Of course, being a former sheriff's deputy myself and an animal lover, I like the guy. Put the criminals in tents and turn the jail into an animal shelter -- YEAH!! I'd just about drive to Arizona and fake a voter card just to vote for him.
The problem is though, I'm really, really biased on this topic, and I'm sure everyone will see that.
Purrs,
Pookie the Biased

Drocket
04-26-2008, 10:39 PM
I hate to break it to you, but "Mexican" isn't a race - neither is "Hispanic" - so "racial" profiling isn't a factor - "Nationality" profiling maybe

If you say, "Hey, he looks Hispanic, lets make sure he's legal", then yes, its racial profiling because you're stopping people based entirely upon their looks.

Easy90
04-27-2008, 12:49 AM
I pretty much agree with you, Easy. Of course, being a former sheriff's deputy myself and an animal lover, I like the guy. Put the criminals in tents and turn the jail into an animal shelter -- YEAH!! I'd just about drive to Arizona and fake a voter card just to vote for him.
The problem is though, I'm really, really biased on this topic, and I'm sure everyone will see that.
Purrs,
Pookie the Biased

Well, I hate to break it to you, but you don't need to fake a voter card...just show up and vote. The Lefties deem it a violation of your rights to ask that you prove who you are, or where you live, or if you're a US citizen....to vote in AZ.