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lily
04-25-2008, 03:29 AM
I wonder who's going to teach Bush the new words? (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24297050/)
Jihadist’ booted from U.S. government lexicon



updated 6:16 p.m. ET, Thurs., April. 24, 2008
WASHINGTON - Don't call them jihadists any more.

And don't call al-Qaida a movement.

The Bush administration has launched a new front in the war on terrorism,
this time targeting language.


Federal agencies, including the State Department, the Department of Homeland
Security and the National Counter Terrorism Center, are telling their people
not to describe Islamic extremists as "jihadists" or "mujahedeen," according
to documents obtained by The Associated Press. Lingo like "Islamo-fascism"
is out, too.

The reason: Such words may actually boost support for radicals among Arab
and Muslim audiences by giving them a veneer of religious credibility or by
causing offense to moderates.

For example, while Americans may understand "jihad" to mean "holy war," it
is in fact a broader Islamic concept of the struggle to do good, says the
guidance prepared for diplomats and other officials tasked with explaining
the war on terror to the public. Similarly, "mujahedeen," which means those
engaged in jihad, must be seen in its broader context.

U.S. officials may be "unintentionally portraying terrorists, who lack moral
and religious legitimacy, as brave fighters, legitimate soldiers or
spokesmen for ordinary Muslims," says a Homeland Security report. It's
entitled "Terminology to Define the Terrorists: Recommendations from
American Muslims."

"Regarding 'jihad,' even if it is accurate to reference the term, it may not
be strategic because it glamorizes terrorism, imbues terrorists with
religious authority they do not have and damages relations with Muslims
around the world," the report says.

'Official use only'
Language is critical in the war on terrorism, says another document, an
internal "official use only" memorandum circulating through Washington
entitled "Words that Work and Words that Don't: A Guide for Counterterrorism
Communication."

The memo, originally prepared in March by the Extremist Messaging Branch at
the National Counter Terrorism Center, was approved for diplomatic use this
week by the State Department, which plans to distribute a version to all
U.S. embassies, officials said.

"It's not what you say but what they hear," the memo says in bold italic
lettering, listing 14 points about how to better present the war on
terrorism.

"Don't take the bait," it says, urging officials not to react when Osama bin
Laden or al-Qaida affiliates speak. "We should offer only minimal, if any,
response to their messages. When we respond loudly, we raise their prestige
in the Muslim world."

"Don't compromise our credibility" by using words and phrases that may
ascribe benign motives to terrorists.

Some other specifics:

a.. "Never use the terms 'jihadist' or 'mujahedeen' in conversation to
describe the terrorists. ... Calling our enemies 'jihadis' and their
movement a global 'jihad' unintentionally legitimizes their actions."
b.. "Use the terms 'violent extremist' or 'terrorist.' Both are widely
understood terms that define our enemies appropriately and simultaneously
deny them any level of legitimacy."
c.. On the other hand, avoid ill-defined and offensive terminology: "We
are communicating with, not confronting, our audiences. Don't insult or
confuse them with pejorative terms such as 'Islamo-fascism,' which are
considered offensive by many Muslims."
The memo says the advice is not binding and does not apply to official
policy papers but should be used as a guide for conversations with Muslims
and media.

Caution against 'grandiose descriptions'
At least at the top level, it appears to have made an impact. Secretary of
State Condoleezza Rice, who once frequently referred to "jihad" in her
public remarks, does not appear to have used the word, except when talking
about the name of a specific terrorist group, since last September.

The memo mirrors advice distributed to British and European Union diplomats
last year to better explain the war on terrorism to Muslim communities
there.

It also draws heavily on the Homeland Security report that examined the way
American Muslims reacted to different phrases used by U.S. officials to
describe terrorists and recommended ways to improve the message.

Because of religious connotations, that report, released in January and
obtained by AP this week, counseled "caution in using terms such as,
'jihadist,' 'Islamic terrorist,' 'Islamist,' and 'holy warrior' as grandiose
descriptions."

"We should not concede the terrorists' claim that they are legitimate
adherents of Islam," the report said, adding that bin Laden and his
adherents fear "irrelevance" more than anything else.

"We must carefully avoid giving bin Laden and other al-Qaida leaders the
legitimacy they crave, but do not possess, by characterizing them as
religious figures, or in terms that may make them seem to be noble in the
eyes of some," it said.

apdst
04-25-2008, 03:30 AM
The Leftists have been waging war on language ever since we started taking the fight to the enemy.

One of my favs: "A war on terrorism? How can you wage war on a concept?"

Elrathin
04-25-2008, 03:35 AM
Did you miss this part apdst?

The reason: Such words may actually boost support for radicals among Arab
and Muslim audiences by giving them a veneer of religious credibility or by
causing offense to moderates

I thought you were against emboldening the enemy?

jafar00
04-25-2008, 08:06 AM
a.. "Never use the terms 'jihadist' or 'mujahedeen' in conversation to
describe the terrorists. ... Calling our enemies 'jihadis' and their
movement a global 'jihad' unintentionally legitimizes their actions."
b.. "Use the terms 'violent extremist' or 'terrorist.' Both are widely
understood terms that define our enemies appropriately and simultaneously
deny them any level of legitimacy."

Bravo I say. The misuse of the concept of Jihad which is NOT "Holy War" has gone on long enough and yes, saying a terrorist is involved in Jihad is totally incorrect. Terrorists are not acting according to Islamic teachings, so you cannot in any way use language that connects them to the religion of Islam.
'violent extremist' or 'terrorist.' is far more appropriate.

NDNdancer
04-25-2008, 08:50 AM
I'd be thrilled if George Bush would learn how to say nuclear right. Sorry, pet peeve.

Pookie
04-25-2008, 09:39 AM
The Leftists have been waging war on language ever since we started taking the fight to the enemy.

One of my favs: "A war on terrorism? How can you wage war on a concept?"

Leftists, my ass! What is wrong with you? Go re-read the OP and figure it out!
Geez. I call them "Islamic extremists," just as I call Christian extremists (you know, the ones who shoot doctors and nurses at womens' clinics) "Christian extremists."

Tell me where we on the left have waged a war on language. I want links, and documented proof. If you won't give that, then you probably need not say that again.

Let's see the proof. Thank you.

Pookie

Drocket
04-25-2008, 10:27 AM
*Drocket waits for a rant on how we're no longer allowed to say 'nigger'*

Pookie
04-25-2008, 10:28 AM
Oh, and allow me to refresh your memory, Apdst. Look:

The Bush administration has launched a new front in the war on terrorism,
this time targeting language.

By the way, for your information, the Bush administration is hardly left. Don't jump to too many conclusions.

Pookie

Pookie
04-25-2008, 10:35 AM
*Drocket waits for a rant on how we're no longer allowed to say 'nigger'*

It's probably coming. No one really realizes the true meaning of the word and where it came from.
It doesn't solely mean black people at all, but many people today are too dumb to figure out where it comes from and how it was used.
Now that I said that, watch how many folks will Google it and say, "Oh, I always knew..."
Yeah. Right.

Pookie

preservanation
04-25-2008, 10:46 AM
I can see their point, terms like terrorists and jihadists are just plain offencive and are responsible for making them attack us and are creating more hate for America in the Muslim world.
From now on I'm refering to them as happy-tree-friends and spring-time-snuggle-bunnies.
Who knew the war on Muslim jihadist terrorist extremists could be won so simply. What a waste of time and money, fighting them the old-fashioned way.
I feel safer already.

preservanation
04-25-2008, 10:47 AM
I can see their point, terms like terrorists and jihadists are just plain offensive and are responsible for making them attack us and are creating more hate for America in the Muslim world.
From now on I'm refering to them as happy-tree-friends and spring-time-snuggle-bunnies.
Who knew the war on Muslim jihadist terrorist extremists could be won so simply. What a waste of time and money, fighting them the old-fashioned way.
I feel safer already.

4Reaganomics
04-25-2008, 02:33 PM
I think that if you don't call them terrorists that they will commit further terror in the hopes of fitting the classification of terrorist.

What ever happened to calling at as you see it? I know I'll use Islamo-fascism as a term still, because it is what they practice and truly believe. Any sugar coating is unacceptable and not American

jafar00
04-25-2008, 04:36 PM
Sigh... You people still miss the whole point in that the terms are a misrepresentation of their meaning. Islamic-terrorist or Islamo-fascist means about as much as Buddho-anarchist or judeo-christian. Am I missing something here, or is it a uniquely American concept to mix two separate, mutually exclusive concepts together in one word, then talk about it like the intended audience should know what they are on about?

DamnYankee
04-25-2008, 04:48 PM
Jihadist’ booted from U.S. government lexicon

These animals are running around killing everyone and we worry about what we call them?

Screw that.

Elrathin
04-25-2008, 05:03 PM
I think that if you don't call them terrorists that they will commit further terror in the hopes of fitting the classification of terrorist.

Where does it say you can't call them terrorists? Read the story again.

nm I'll quote it for you, another classic case of righties over exaggerating things.

b.. "Use the terms 'violent extremist' or 'terrorist.' Both are widely
understood terms that define our enemies appropriately and simultaneously
deny them any level of legitimacy."

jafar00
04-25-2008, 07:21 PM
Jihadist’ booted from U.S. government lexicon

These animals are running around killing everyone and we worry about what we call them?

Screw that.

I engage in Jihad every day so I guess you could call me a Jihadist. I object strongly to being associated with terrorist scum that target and kill innocent people. The terrorists aren't affected by what you call them at all, but the innocent of us are affected when we are demonised unfairly by these inaccurate and dishonest terms.

lily
04-27-2008, 02:10 AM
I think that if you don't call them terrorists that they will commit further terror in the hopes of fitting the classification of terrorist.

What ever happened to calling at as you see it? I know I'll use Islamo-fascism as a term still, because it is what they practice and truly believe. Any sugar coating is unacceptable and not American

Reagan.....I don't know what you're going on about.......this was from the Bush Administration.....it's their new "front" on the war on terror.

moses2792796
04-27-2008, 02:40 PM
Bravo I say. The misuse of the concept of Jihad which is NOT "Holy War" has gone on long enough and yes, saying a terrorist is involved in Jihad is totally incorrect. Terrorists are not acting according to Islamic teachings, so you cannot in any way use language that connects them to the religion of Islam.
'violent extremist' or 'terrorist.' is far more appropriate.

Defending the Islamic world from the materialistic encroachment of the West. This is surely a religiously justified act. We understand Jihad to mean that by participating in a physical war, the Spirit is cleansed of all selfish attatchments, leaving only Allah. It is perfectly legitimate to call these people Jihadists, and their plight is perfectly legitimate.

Meanwhile we see the western phenomenon of 'verbalism' at work again, words have become more powerful than what they mean it would seem. Hence the use of terms like 'terrorist', or 'fascist', the latter particularly is defined only very vaguely but is used to denounce almost any political ideology that conflicts with western values.