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ECW
04-24-2008, 06:14 AM
For those of you with the myopia that came after the Reverend Wright episode, let's not forget the flip side of the coin, Reverend John Hagee. This guy is wack from the word GO. The following are a collection of quotes to demonstrate of the best of the insanity of the world of John Hagee, the guy who's endorsement that John McCain sought and got.

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Hagee on Islamic Beliefs
Fresh Air host Terry Gross asked if Hagee believed that "all Muslims have a mandate to kill Christians and Jews," to which Hagee replied, "Well, the Quran teaches that. Yes, it teaches that very clearly." [NPR Fresh Air, 9/18/06]

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Hagee on Iran
"The coming nuclear showdown with Iran is a certainty," Hagee wrote [in 2006] in the Pentecostal magazine Charisma. "Israel and America must confront Iran's nuclear ability and willingness to destroy Israel with nuclear weapons. For Israel to wait is to risk committing national suicide." [The Nation, 8/8/2006, http://www.thenation.com/doc/20060814/new_christian_zionism]

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Hagee on Hurricane Katrina
"All hurricanes are acts of God because God controls the heavens. I believe that New Orleans had a level of sin that was offensive to God and they were recipients of the judgment of God for that." [NPR Fresh Air, 9/18/06]

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Hagee on Catholicism
"Most readers will be shocked by the clear record of history linking Adolf Hitler and the Roman Catholic Church in a conspiracy to exterminate the Jews." [Jerusalem Countdown by John Hagee]

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Hagee on Women
"Do you know the difference between a woman with PMS and a snarling Doberman pinscher? The answer is lipstick. Do you know the difference between a terrorist and a woman with PMS? You can negotiate with a terrorist." [God's Profits: Faith, Fraud and the Republican Crusade for Values Voters, Sarah Posner]

"[T]he feminist movement today is throwing off authority in rebellion against God's pattern for the family." ["Bible Positions on Political Issues," John Hagee]

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Hagee on African-Americans
The San Antonio Express-News reported that Hagee was going to "meet with black religious leaders privately at an unspecified future date to discuss comments he made in his newsletter about a 'slave sale,' an East Side minister said Wednesday." The Express-News reported:

"Hagee, pastor of the 16,000-member Cornerstone Church, last week had announced a 'slave sale' to raise funds for high school seniors in his church bulletin, 'The Cluster.'

"The item was introduced with the sentence 'Slavery in America is returning to Cornerstone" and ended with "Make plans to come and go home with a slave." [San Antonio Express-News 3/7/96]

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Hagee on LGBT Americans
"The newspaper carried the story in our local area that was not carried nationally that there was to be a homosexual parade there on the Monday that the Katrina came. And the promise of that parade was that it was going to reach a level of sexuality never demonstrated before in any of the other Gay Pride parades. So I believe that the judgment of God is a very real thing. I know that there are people who demur from that, but I believe that the Bible teaches that when you violate the law of God, that God brings punishment sometimes before the day of judgment." [NPR Fresh Air, 9/18/06]

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If Barack Obama can be vilified for his association with Wright, an association he repudiated when the extent of the negative remarks became known, then John McCain ought to get the same treatment for his association with a man HE HAS NOT REPUDIATED.

Pookie
04-24-2008, 08:26 AM
I've heard pastors say really dumb things before, but that collection out-dumbs anything I've ever heard.
McCain might have been better off with Pat Roberson or someone else!
Purrs,
Pookie

ECW
04-24-2008, 07:50 PM
I got a nice collection from that spaz as well.

4Reaganomics
04-24-2008, 07:59 PM
Pastors say dumb things all of the time.


When you sit in their church and they are your personal mentor for 20 years though, people will begin to believe that you share those principles of the pastor.

PatrickHenry
04-24-2008, 08:03 PM
Hagee makes me want to puke.

His take on politics is the precise opposite of my own.

I anticipate his destruction on the Day of Judgement.

AlonzoMourning23
04-24-2008, 08:04 PM
Pastors say dumb things all of the time.


When you sit in their church and they are your personal mentor for 20 years though, people will begin to believe that you share those principles of the pastor.

At least I'm consistent and condemn both McCain and Obama. You just pick and choose.

4Reaganomics
04-24-2008, 08:07 PM
I am not going to be ridiculous and claim that Hagee and McCain are equivalent to Obama and Wright and condemn them the same way.

Hagee and Wright have both said terrible things, but Obama has been affected more by Wright than McCain by Hagee.

Buck Laser
04-24-2008, 08:09 PM
At least I'm consistent and condemn both McCain and Obama. You just pick and choose.
That's easy for him to do, because he just believes what he's told to, then reads the script. Reagan would be an almost perfect guide to what NOT to believe.

ViolaLee
04-24-2008, 08:17 PM
At least I'm consistent and condemn both McCain and Obama. You just pick and choose.

The difference is, McCain and Obama never said the things their pastors said. But you defend Hillary who outright lies about sniper fire and NAFTA.

AlonzoMourning23
04-24-2008, 08:20 PM
Viola, I'd be lying if I said that I didn't believe that Obama's statement that he never saw him say the things in the video wasn't an outright lie either.

I am not going to be ridiculous and claim that Hagee and McCain are equivalent to Obama and Wright and condemn them the same way.

Different yes, but McCain actively courted him, knowing full well his reputation, and then made a public announcement thanking him for his support. You lose the moral high ground when you seek out bigots.

ECW
04-25-2008, 02:23 PM
Pastors say dumb things all of the time.

When you sit in their church and they are your personal mentor for 20 years though, people will begin to believe that you share those principles of the pastor.

Unless you explain to them otherwise and people are actually listening which, apparently, isn't always the case because some folks will always hear what they want to hear instead of what is actually being said.

Repudiating Wright's comments came quickly for Obama.

McCain still hasn't distanced himself from Hagee and still accepts the endorsement.

Big difference.

4Reaganomics
04-25-2008, 02:28 PM
Does Obama accept Wright's endorsement? Yes, he supports the man and just renounced those comments only when they were brought to the forefront of the media

McCain has called Hagee's comments nonsense, and while he accepts the man's support, he wouldn't sit in his church for 20 years listening to that hatred

He also wouldn't oblivious to the church he claims he is so active in producing DVDs of the pastor's sermons that target America and are bigotry against whites.

Wright was Obama's personal inspiration for his book, the two are as close as close could be, and you really believe that Wright's words against America were unknown to Obama

you have to be kidding me

ECW
04-25-2008, 02:57 PM
Does Obama accept Wright's endorsement? Yes, he supports the man and just renounced those comments only when they were brought to the forefront of the media

McCain has called Hagee's comments nonsense, and while he accepts the man's support, he wouldn't sit in his church for 20 years listening to that hatred

He also wouldn't oblivious to the church he claims he is so active in producing DVDs of the pastor's sermons that target America and are bigotry against whites.

Wright was Obama's personal inspiration for his book, the two are as close as close could be, and you really believe that Wright's words against America were unknown to Obama

you have to be kidding me

You weren't listening.

The comments were unknown to Obama before the media brought them to his attention. Do you really expect him to renounce something he was unaware of? How ridiculous is that comment?

Obama has already said that he was not in church during the time those comments were made. Wright made the one comment and you all act as if he preceded every sermon with hate America speech.

And you really want me to believe that Hagee's comments were unknown to McCain as he was seeking his endorsement and that McCain's staff did not dig up the quotes that others had no problem finding? And despite Hagee's racial, homophobic, misogynist, bigoted, and non-sensical comments McCain still went after the endorsement?

You have to be kidding me.

Who's next on McCain's list? David Duke?

4Reaganomics
04-25-2008, 02:58 PM
You weren't listening.

The comments were unknown to Obama before the media brought them to his attention.

I have a bridge in Iraq to sell you

ECW
04-25-2008, 03:07 PM
Answer the question: did McCain not know about Hagee's racial, homophobic, misogynist, bigoted, and non-sensical comments when he sought out the endorsement?

Is he going to Wichita to get Fred Phelps' endorsement next? He holds roughly the same values as Hagee.

AlonzoMourning23
04-25-2008, 03:27 PM
Duke hates McCain. Duke is actually a strong supporter of Ron Paul.

I have a bridge in Iraq to sell you

I'd bet you that not only did McCain know of Hagee's beliefs (McCain isn't an idiot and they're very well known beliefs), but Obama also knew, and looked the other way, at all of Wrights beliefs. So he wasn't there for that sermon, does that really matter? It's not like it was the only one he gave.

4Reaganomics
04-25-2008, 03:30 PM
Exactly Zo, Exactly.

You get the intelligence award for the day.

Too bad the rest of the left truly believes a man didn't know what his closest friend, mentor, and pastor stood for.

AlanC
04-25-2008, 03:42 PM
You weren't listening.

The comments were unknown to Obama before the media brought them to his attention. Do you really expect him to renounce something he was unaware of? How ridiculous is that comment?

Obama has already said that he was not in church during the time those comments were made. Wright made the one comment and you all act as if he preceded every sermon with hate America speech.

And you really want me to believe that Hagee's comments were unknown to McCain as he was seeking his endorsement and that McCain's staff did not dig up the quotes that others had no problem finding? And despite Hagee's racial, homophobic, misogynist, bigoted, and non-sensical comments McCain still went after the endorsement?

You have to be kidding me.

Who's next on McCain's list? David Duke?


ECW, you are a reasonable man. But here I think you have abandoned reason for hope in this instance.

Obama went to Wright's church for 20 years. Wright's comments were made from the pulpit, but only when Obama wasn't there? Wright's sermons were placed on CDs and reprinted in the Church newspaper, but Obama wasn't aware of them? Okay, for the moment, lets assume that Obama is telling the truth. He was totally unaware of his Pastor's thoughts feelings and words. Fine, he's your guy and you want to accept his word on that. I get it.

But then you turn around and find it incredulous that McCain would not be aware of some of the more snarky things Agee has said. McCain, never went to his church, ever! McCain, as far as we know had no personal relationship at all with the man. So the bottom line is you believe Obama's rather incredible claim and you dismiss McCain's claim as being incredible.

There is a logical disconnect here. If you are saying McCain should have known, should not Obama be held to at least the same standard... he should have known?

Greyhound
05-02-2008, 02:49 AM
Obama supposedly didn't know of the second round of things Wright had said. He knew of quite a bit of the racially inflammatory comments that Wright had said. Hell, alot of the comments have been out in the media for over a month.

Obama named one of his books after one of Wrights sermons.

Wright was part of Obama's campaign.

Even some African Americans at my work are saying that association of Obama and Wright is problematic and don't understand why most of the black community is giving Wright a pass and they seriously question Obamas true beliefs now.

Hagee and Wright as they pertain to Obama and McCain are not an apples to apples comparison.

Just so everyone knows, I'm not a McCainiac.