Traitor in our mists!

[David]

Link (http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/04/22/espionage.charge/index.html)

A retired American military contractor now faces life in prison and even execution after being busted by the FBI on the charge of espionage. Who was he spying for? Israel, some ally. :shame:

[jafar00]

Great friends/allies you Americans have. They would sooner stab you in the back than return the favour of your friendship. Can we now stop beating about the bush (no pun intended) and start arresting any politician for treason, who professes undying devotion to your pretend ally? A supposed Ally that attacks you (USS liberty, 911 dancing Israelis and explosive filled Israeli vans) and spies on you?

http://www.abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=4705539&page=1

[DamnYankee]

We all get spied on. This fellow will be prosecuted, I assume, and will go to jail.

As far as allies are concerned. I would be more interested in supporting a democracy versus a non democracy.

[David]

"Any attempt to connect these allegations to my husband adds insult to injury. He has served more that five times the usual time for espionage," she said. Pollard's first wife, Anne, served three and a half years of a five-year sentence on a charge related to Pollard's.

Um, treason is a capital crime. Be glad the bastard is still alive miss. :fight:

[David]

We all get spied on. This fellow will be prosecuted, I assume, and will go to jail.

As far as allies are concerned. I would be more interested in supporting a democracy versus a non democracy.

Indeed. To bad Israel is a theocracy. :lmao:

[lily]

I don't know why someone has to be labeled a spy or go to jail for espionage, when all Israel had to do was ask and we would give them anything they wanted.

<sarcasm off>

[Wndrtch]

I don't know why someone has to be labeled a spy or go to jail for espionage, when all Israel had to do was ask and we would give them anything they wanted.

<sarcasm off>

I am pro-Israel, however, I'm not blind to the fact that they do operate under their own priorities, like any nation does. Do any of you really think for a moment, that our CIA doesn't have spies on their turf? Of course we do! They just don't have anything we want right now.

Besides, do you folks know how they got "the bomb"? The same way the Soviets did, espionage. They stole it from us.

Welcome to International Politics, where you only have true friends for short periods of time, and usually only because you have something they want.
Two of the three presidential candidates fail to grasp this, which is a major reason why I plan to vote the way I do this November.

[David]

I've said it before and I'll say in again, we (the USA) must discontinue our relationship with Israel until such time that they replace the Zionist gov't with a secular and democratic one. Not only will this force democratic change in Israel, but it'll go far in making allies of the Arabs.

[potter]

We all get spied on. This fellow will be prosecuted, I assume, and will go to jail.

As far as allies are concerned. I would be more interested in supporting a democracy versus a non democracy.


Why don't you start here in the US?

[Elrathin]

We all get spied on. This fellow will be prosecuted, I assume, and will go to jail.

As far as allies are concerned. I would be more interested in supporting a democracy versus a non democracy.

Yeah if this guy was spying for Iran we would be hearing four or more pages of conservatives wanting the guy sent to Guantanamo, but since he is spying for Israel, that somehow makes it ok.

[Scribbler1]

Welcome to International Politics, where you only have true friends for short periods of time, and usually only because you have something they want.Which makes being "pro Israel" a little strange, doesn't it? I'm not seeing any call for even CRITICISM on the espionage when it is uncovered. Not one peep fro the "pro Israel" folks.

[David]

Which makes being "pro Israel" a little strange, doesn't it? I'm not seeing any call for even CRITICISM on the espionage when it is uncovered. Not one peep fro the "pro Israel" folks.

But it seems the CIA and NSA are peeved. :fight:

[Scribbler1]

I wouldn't blame them. On a different note, I wonder what the Israelis would do if they caught someone selling THEIR secrets to the US?

[David]

I wouldn't blame them. On a different note, I wonder what the Israelis would do if they caught someone selling THEIR secrets to the US?

The only thing of use that we might want is their farming tech. Seriously, give a few Israeli farmers and engineers 2 years and people will sin on purpose because Hell would be nicer then Haven. :thumbsup:

Beyond that, everything they have was ether Soviet or American made. We got the soviet stuff when it was sold off after the Fall and we have our own stuff obviously.

[jafar00]

I wouldn't blame them. On a different note, I wonder what the Israelis would do if they caught someone selling THEIR secrets to the US?

They would kill you like the journalists who expose their dirty little secrets.

[DamnYankee]

Indeed. To bad Israel is a theocracy. :lmao:

Israel is a parliamentary representative democratic republic.

[DamnYankee]

Why don't you start here in the US?

Start what?

[DamnYankee]

Yeah if this guy was spying for Iran we would be hearing four or more pages of conservatives wanting the guy sent to Guantanamo, but since he is spying for Israel, that somehow makes it ok.

I suppose I could post four pages on why he ought to be tried, convicted, and sent to prison. But it doesn't take that many pages.

Much of what has been posted thus far has been hate filled anti Israeli rhetoric.

[David]

I suppose I could post four pages on why he ought to be tried, convicted, and sent to prison. But it doesn't take that many pages.

Much of what has been posted thus far has been hate filled anti Israeli rhetoric.

Hate filled anti-gov't rhetoric, yes. I haven't seen anything aimed at the Israelis thus far. Indeed, I've complemented them.

[Truth_and_Power]

I am pro-Israel, however, I'm not blind to the fact that they do operate under their own priorities, like any nation does. Do any of you really think for a moment, that our CIA doesn't have spies on their turf? Of course we do! They just don't have anything we want right now.

Besides, do you folks know how they got "the bomb"? The same way the Soviets did, espionage. They stole it from us.

Welcome to International Politics, where you only have true friends for short periods of time, and usually only because you have something they want.
Two of the three presidential candidates fail to grasp this, which is a major reason why I plan to vote the way I do this November.

Nations dont have friends, they have interests.

[potter]

Start what?
A democracy of course. We don't have a true representative democracy here, we have a two party system with election protocol dicated and limited by laws enacted by those two parties. A nation of 300 million and we have a choice of two parties? We should have dozens of viable parties out there, with proportional representation in washington. But election laws enacted by the two parties in power, plus control of the media by those two parties, pretty much keeps any other wannabe parties at bay.

I should have more than two people to vote for in a presidential election, more than candidates hand picked by corporate america and shoved down our throats. Take Ron Paul, a very viable candidate, but the controlled media has labelled him a loonie and all the good sheep bleet agreement in response without even considering his positions. We should also have more than two parties representing congress and the senate.

And what about voting? Our system can easily be corrupted, votes can easily be manipulated, there is no verification trail. No other true democracy in the wourld would allow our voting system.

I find if laughable that we are trying to establish democracy around the world when our own system is just a mockery of a true democracy.

[Scribbler1]

The only thing of use that we might want is their farming tech. Seriously, give a few Israeli farmers and engineers 2 years and people will sin on purpose because Hell would be nicer then Haven. :thumbsup:

Beyond that, everything they have was ether Soviet or American made. We got the soviet stuff when it was sold off after the Fall and we have our own stuff obviously.That wasn't the point. I was asking what would they DO to a spy, not what secrets he took.