Ahmadinejad Calls Sept. 11 Attacks 'Suspicious Event'

[Easy90]

Hey! Lots of regulars here have been saying the same thing.. The Democrats should get this guy to give this speech at their convention....Isn't it interesting how he parrots the same line as the Left?

Wednesday, April 16, 2008

AP

TEHRAN, Iran —
Iran's hard-line President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad cast doubt Wednesday over the U.S. version of the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks, calling it a pretext used to invade Afghanistan and Iraq.

Though Iran has condemned the Al Qaeda attacks on New York and Washington in the past, this was the third time in a week Ahmadinejad questioned the death toll, who was behind the attacks and how it happened.

"Four or five years ago, a suspicious event occurred in New York. A building collapsed and they said that 3,000 people had been killed but never published their names," Ahmadinejad told Iranians in the holy city of Qom.

"Under this pretext, they (the U.S.) attacked Afghanistan and Iraq and since then a million people have been killed only in Iraq," said Ahmadinejad in the speech broadcast live on state-run television.

On the last anniversary of the attacks, the names of 2,750 victims killed in New York were read aloud at a memorial ceremony there.

Last year, Ahmadinejad raised questions over the September 11 attacks, saying "what caused it, what were the conditions that led to it, who truly was involved" needed to be examined.

In the past, Ahmadinejad has said that the attack was "a result of mismanaging and inhumane managing of the world by the U.S." and it should not be turned into another Holocaust and "be used for slaughtering people."

Although Iran has condemned the U.S. invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq, the campaigns toppled the Taliban and Saddam Hussein, two regional threats to Iran.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,351428,00.html

[brien]

Does anyone take this guy seriously? The majority of the Iranian people are good and hard working people so the sooner this guy leaves office, the better off they will be without him.

[micfranklin]

He needs to chill out and work on his own country before raising an eyebrow at ours.

[Trish]

Considering that he also considers the Holocaust "suspicious" I would think his views about 9/11 would tend bolster the "official" position rather than detract from it.

Oh, and Easy? I'm a Democrat - would you please not use such a wide, disparaging brush when speaking about us? Democrats are individuals, not a single entity.

[potter]

Democrats are to republicans what Jews were to Nazi Germany.....

Something to be eliminated in their goal for world domination.... :)

Too bad we all just can't be Americans instead of political party lackeys.....

[PatrickHenry]

I think most international Muslims are able to see that the 9/11 event was a NWO/Mossad operation.

Just calling it "suspicious" is mild compared to what the evidence shows.

See my sig...

[potter]

I think most international Muslims are able to see that the 9/11 event was a NWO/Mossad operation.

Just calling it "suspicious" is mild compared to what the evidence shows.

See my sig...


I've seen quite a but of information that also leads me to believe the governments "official" line is anything but the truth.

I think there probably was a bit of monkey business involving the current administration in the whole thing.

I wouldn't put it past evil greedy men to do something like allow an attack their own country to make billions....

[PatrickHenry]

Damaged buildings don't collapse at free-fall speeds.

Except for that unique day 9/11/2001...

[apdst]

Damaged buildings don't collapse at free-fall speeds.

At what speed to damaged buildings collapse at?


9/11 was a Liberal conspiracy. They got something to blame on Bush and killed Barbara Olsen, too. Killing Olsen was kinda like a bonus.

[December]

AP
TEHRAN, Iran —
Iran's hard-line President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad cast doubt Wednesday over the U.S. version of the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks, calling it a pretext used to invade Afghanistan and Iraq.
Last year, Ahmadinejad raised questions over the September 11 attacks, saying "what caused it, what were the conditions that led to it, who truly was involved" needed to be examined.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,351428,00.html

I am sure you ALL know that sooner or later the truth about 9/11 will come out. :)
And it going to be VERY UGLY TRUTH....

http://www.911truth.org

http://911research.wtc7.net/

[Easy90]

See? I told you the Lefties here agree with the Iranian president. LOL! And Trish...You being a Democrat is YOUR problem. Deal with the fact that it's your brethren that agree with that nut job.

[Alonzo]

December is anything but a liberal. I'm about as liberal as they come and you'd be hard pressed to find any real agreement between him and I.

[December]

See? I told you the Lefties here agree with the Iranian president. LOL! And Trish...You being a Democrat is YOUR problem. Deal with the fact that it's your brethren that agree with that nut job.

What Lefties? I am not even liberal...
Why don't you address the real issues here instead of doing name calling...

Easy90, what is the purpose of your thread anyway? To connect President Ahmadinejad and America's Lefties somehow and then get excited and laugh at your own assumptions?


http://www.911truth.org

http://911research.wtc7.net/

[jafar00]

At what speed to damaged buildings collapse at?


9/11 was a Liberal conspiracy. They got something to blame on Bush and killed Barbara Olsen, too. Killing Olsen was kinda like a bonus.

They collapse gradually rather like this one.

http://www.911myths.com/assets/images/madrid_remains.jpg

The twin towers and building 7 collapsed at free fall speed indicating that there was no resistance to the collapse of the buildings which there should have been.

No building that hasn't been deliberately demolished has ever before nor ever will collapse like the 3 buildings on 9/11/01.

[apdst]

I'm guessing that the collapsed section of that building didn't take several minutes to fal to where it's at. the rubble from that building fell at free fall speed, too...LMAO!!! Did you possibly mean, "partially", collapsed?

No building that hasn't been deliberately demolished has ever before nor ever will collapse like the 3 buildings on 9/11/01.

Are you saying that explosives were planted in the WTC to cause it to fall? If so, would please explain how the explosives were placed and, not a single person noticed?

It would take a month, or more, to plant explosives in those three buildings.

Also, explain to us why we never saw flashes from the explosives, nor heard any reports. I've watched buildings be imploded and I've watched the WTC go down. They look nothing a like.

[PatrickHenry]

Are you saying that explosives were planted in the WTC to cause it to fall? If so, would please explain how the explosives were placed and, not a single person noticed?

It would take a month, or more, to plant explosives in those three buildings.

Also, explain to us why we never saw flashes from the explosives, nor heard any reports. I've watched buildings be imploded and I've watched the WTC go down. They look nothing a like.From what I have seen on forums in my four years of arguing on the Web...I conjecture you don't really want to know, won't look at the evidence and will hold your hands to your ears screaming "La-LA-la! I can't HEAR you!"

But there is abundant eyewitness testimony to the features of the explosive demolitions you mentioned.

And there was easy access to these buildings by "maintenance crews." I don't know if anyone has noted how buildings are constructed, but there is plenty of room above the suspended ceilings between floors to plant explosive charges against the core columns.

[Mia]

I thought this thread is about Ahmadinejad, not yet another to go on about the 'facts' of 9/11.

One fact we have here about Ahmadinejad's statements is that he is an idiot. He said the victims names aren't published. He must not have access to the internet.

[apdst]

But there is abundant eyewitness testimony to the features of the explosive demolitions you mentioned.

There are eye witnesses that saw explosives being planted in The WTC?

[Mia]

I thought this thread is about Ahmadinejad, not yet another to go on about the 'facts' of 9/11.

[Easy90]

Ahmadinejad was just saying he agreed with Pat Henry and December...Bush caused 9-11. LOL. The hard core leftists and December all agree. Of course, they're wacky...but they have a friend in Ahmadinejad .

[Easy90]

There are eye witnesses that saw explosives being planted in The WTC?

Apdst....for the sake of the gods...don't engage the nutcases about their inane delusions about how 9-11 was a "planned demolition." They're insane, and you just encourage them....and of course, if you argue with crazy people...casual onlookers might confuse you with them.

[Mia]

I don't go along with the official story completely - I also don't go along with anyone who makes radical baseless claims that they know for sure who did what - there are lots of questions that have no suitable or clear answers.

However, it would be nice if every now and then a thread stayed on-topic. We have several attacking the 9/11 official story - this one is specifically related to the remarks of the Iranian President.

He's asking the same questions some of us are - but he always has to take things too far and remove his credibility. 'The names haven't been published'. Um, yes they have. What a stupid thing to say.

[apdst]

Apdst....for the sake of the gods...don't engage the nutcases about their inane delusions about how 9-11 was a "planned demolition." They're insane, and you just encourage them....and of course, if you argue with crazy people...casual onlookers might confuse you with them.

We have to engage Liberals at every turn to expose their BS.

[potter]

Hmmmmmm...this is interesting...

http://www.911oz.com/links/dummies/2

The rest of the story and graphs are on the link.





Scott Forbes, who worked in the South Tower of the world trade center, witnessed a power-down of the tower in the weekend before 9/11.



I spoke with Scott Forbes by telephone for around a half hour in late 2004. I also arranged a video interview. However, due to delays by a third person in releasing that video, Scott and I agreed to post a written interview now to fill in some of the details of Scott's experience.



GENERAL BACKGROUND



GW: In 2001, you were working as an information technology specialist for Fiduciary Trust. Were you the main IT person for Fiduciary Trust, or were you an assistant IT person?

SF: I worked within an IT department of around 100 as a senior DBA [database administrator] and team leader.



GW: Fiduciary Trust had floors 90 and 94-97 of the South Tower at that time. Did you work on a specific floor, or did your duties normally keep you roaming on several floors?



SF: I and my technology colleagues worked on the 97th floor ... in the course of the day we would have meetings or give support on other floors but most our time would have been spent on the 97th floor.



THE WEEKEND OF SEPTEMBER 8TH AND 9TH



GW: You've previously stated that on the weekend of September 8 and 9, 2001, there was a "power down" condition in world trade center Tower 2, the South Tower, and that this power down condition meant there was no electrical supply for approximately 36 hours from floor 50 up. Do you know what time the power-down started?



SF: All systems were shutdown on Saturday morning and the power down condition was in effect from approximately 12 noon on Saturday September 8, 2001.



GW: When did it end?



SF: Approximately 2PM on Sunday 9/9.



GW: How do you know that there was no electricity from floor 50 up, if Fiduciary Trust was on much higher floors -- starting at the 90th floor?



SF: I can't absolutely verify that there was no power on lower floors ... all I can validate is that we were informed of the power down condition, that we had to take down all systems and then the following day had to bring back up all systems ...



GW: You've previously stated that you were aware of the power down since you worked in the IT department and had to work with many others that weekend to ensure that all systems were cleanly shutdown beforehand ... and then brought back up afterwards. How many other Fiduciary Trust folks were you working with? Can any of them verify your story?



SF: Many, many people worked on the power down, both from the IT department and from the business, revalidating systems when they were available again. Other people can validate my information. Some people do not remember the circumstances, some people will not revisit that time ... but others acknowledge the power down freely and can validate my information.



GW: You said the reason given by the World Trade Center or Port Authority for the power down was that cabling in the tower was being upgraded. Do you know what parts of the building or how extensive the area would have been for upgrading cabling? In other words, would the area being worked on have been near the outer walls of the tower? Near the core? In the middle?



SF: I have no knowledge about this and can't comment ...



GW: You also stated that, without power, there were no security cameras. How do you know that? Could there have been backup generators which powered the security cameras?



SF: Within my company security cameras were monitored and videos retained for reference. They were powered from the usual power supplies so they would ave been out of action like all other electrical appliances.



GW: You also stated that, without power, there were security locks on doors. Are you just referring to outside doors, or also office doors? Were the locks electrical or key? If electrical, were they battery-operated?



SF: I was referring to the secure doors accessing my companies floors (and other companies). I do not believe there were any battery operated doors.



GW: You also stated there were many, many 'engineers' coming in and out of the tower. Did you see any of these folks yourself?



SF: Yes. By “engineers” I mean there were workmen on site, in overalls.



GW: Did these folks look "middle eastern"?



SF: No, not particularly, I mean I don't recall registering that the
guys were of one racial group or another.



GW: Did you recognize any of them from previous "work" in the tower?



SF: No.



THE MORNING OF 9/11

[apdst]

A power down suggests some sort of maintanance within the building.

[cronic]

explosives huh...lol..
I'm not surprised.. Bush supposedly blew up the levees in new orleans to..
the mega sized hurricane had nothing to do with it

ok back to the WTC's.. um. the planes?.. they were just flown into the side of the buildings for artistic purposes??

[apdst]

they were just flown into the side of the buildings for artistic purposes??

They were after Barbara Olsen.

[PatrickHenry]

I must agree with Mia that the topic is Ahmedinejad.

I won't be further discussing the actual facts of the 9/11 demolition on this thread.

[jafar00]

Doesn't Ahmedinejad have the right to an opinion about 9/11 and the Holocaust?

[Trish]

Well of course he does. And I, for one, hopes he continues to talk out of his ass. The more he talks the less relevant he becomes.

[apdst]

Doesn't Ahmedinejad have the right to an opinion about 9/11 and the Holocaust?

Sure he does. We also have a right to get on the internet and talk about stupid he is.

I love it when Islamic extremists say crap this. It only serves to turn one more straight against them.

[Easy90]

They were after Barbara Olsen.

True, she had just published the book exposing the Clintons...so I suspect it was all an elaborate Clinton plot to kill Olsen...and cover it all up with the plausable denyability of a so-called "terrorist attack!" Those Clintons have no limits to how far they will go to "get" those who try to expose them.

[Wndrtch]

Hmmmmmm...this is interesting...

http://www.911oz.com/links/dummies/2

The rest of the story and graphs are on the link.





Scott Forbes, who worked in the South Tower of the world trade center, witnessed a power-down of the tower in the weekend before 9/11.



I spoke with Scott Forbes by telephone for around a half hour in late 2004. I also arranged a video interview. However, due to delays by a third person in releasing that video, Scott and I agreed to post a written interview now to fill in some of the details of Scott's experience.



GENERAL BACKGROUND



GW: In 2001, you were working as an information technology specialist for Fiduciary Trust. Were you the main IT person for Fiduciary Trust, or were you an assistant IT person?

SF: I worked within an IT department of around 100 as a senior DBA [database administrator] and team leader.



GW: Fiduciary Trust had floors 90 and 94-97 of the South Tower at that time. Did you work on a specific floor, or did your duties normally keep you roaming on several floors?



SF: I and my technology colleagues worked on the 97th floor ... in the course of the day we would have meetings or give support on other floors but most our time would have been spent on the 97th floor.



THE WEEKEND OF SEPTEMBER 8TH AND 9TH



GW: You've previously stated that on the weekend of September 8 and 9, 2001, there was a "power down" condition in world trade center Tower 2, the South Tower, and that this power down condition meant there was no electrical supply for approximately 36 hours from floor 50 up. Do you know what time the power-down started?



SF: All systems were shutdown on Saturday morning and the power down condition was in effect from approximately 12 noon on Saturday September 8, 2001.



GW: When did it end?



SF: Approximately 2PM on Sunday 9/9.



GW: How do you know that there was no electricity from floor 50 up, if Fiduciary Trust was on much higher floors -- starting at the 90th floor?



SF: I can't absolutely verify that there was no power on lower floors ... all I can validate is that we were informed of the power down condition, that we had to take down all systems and then the following day had to bring back up all systems ...



GW: You've previously stated that you were aware of the power down since you worked in the IT department and had to work with many others that weekend to ensure that all systems were cleanly shutdown beforehand ... and then brought back up afterwards. How many other Fiduciary Trust folks were you working with? Can any of them verify your story?



SF: Many, many people worked on the power down, both from the IT department and from the business, revalidating systems when they were available again. Other people can validate my information. Some people do not remember the circumstances, some people will not revisit that time ... but others acknowledge the power down freely and can validate my information.



GW: You said the reason given by the World Trade Center or Port Authority for the power down was that cabling in the tower was being upgraded. Do you know what parts of the building or how extensive the area would have been for upgrading cabling? In other words, would the area being worked on have been near the outer walls of the tower? Near the core? In the middle?



SF: I have no knowledge about this and can't comment ...



GW: You also stated that, without power, there were no security cameras. How do you know that? Could there have been backup generators which powered the security cameras?



SF: Within my company security cameras were monitored and videos retained for reference. They were powered from the usual power supplies so they would ave been out of action like all other electrical appliances.



GW: You also stated that, without power, there were security locks on doors. Are you just referring to outside doors, or also office doors? Were the locks electrical or key? If electrical, were they battery-operated?



SF: I was referring to the secure doors accessing my companies floors (and other companies). I do not believe there were any battery operated doors.



GW: You also stated there were many, many 'engineers' coming in and out of the tower. Did you see any of these folks yourself?



SF: Yes. By “engineers” I mean there were workmen on site, in overalls.



GW: Did these folks look "middle eastern"?



SF: No, not particularly, I mean I don't recall registering that the
guys were of one racial group or another.



GW: Did you recognize any of them from previous "work" in the tower?



SF: No.



THE MORNING OF 9/11

Gee, it seems there was a power outage in the South Tower the week before 911. Uh, so? How does this prove anything beyond, there was an explaned power outage before 911?

It does prove that someone wasted some money on new cabling. Is that the amazing part?

[potter]

I believe it was a powering down, which shut off security...not an outage....

One should read the entire article....my post was but a snippet.....

[apdst]

I believe it was a powering down, which shut off security

Just for the sake of argument, let's say that the power down was a part of the, "plot". There's no way that they planted explosives in one of those buildings, much less all three, in fourteen hours.

[micfranklin]

Like I said, no one here cares what he thinks. Yeah he has the right to an opinion but no one has to listen to it. And I do seem to remember two planes crashing into the WTC and one into the Pentagon.

[brien]

I am not going to argue the merits of the conspiricy theories because in the end, people believe what they want to believe anyway. It's fruitless to try and change someone's mind..Here is a link to the Popular Mechanics debunking of the conspiricy if it helps anyone decide. God knows there are numerous links for the conspiricy theories. I am certain anyone could find them without my help.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/3491861.html?page=3

[PatrickHenry]

..Here is a link to the Popular Mechanics debunking of the conspiricy if it helps anyone decide.OK. If you are going to link that, I'll have to respond with these to counter the establishment lies.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/august2006/100806popularmechanics.htm

http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/pm/

http://www.serendipity.li/wot/pop_mech/reply_to_popular_mechanics.htm

[potter]

Just for the sake of argument, let's say that the power down was a part of the, "plot". There's no way that they planted explosives in one of those buildings, much less all three, in fourteen hours.


Hey, I'm not saying this is what happened, I just posted something that would explain why some folks feel it could have happened. One of many of the unanswered questions that make the entire thing look like it could have an inside job. And since I don't trust politicians OR greedy businessmen I have no reason to feel there wasn't monkey business going on.

Now....how can you be so sure there is no way they could have loaded those buildings in three hours? I thought Black Opps was supposed to be pretty good at stuff like that.

[potter]

I am not going to argue the merits of the conspiricy theories because in the end, people believe what they want to believe anyway. It's fruitless to try and change someone's mind..Here is a link to the Popular Mechanics debunking of the conspiricy if it helps anyone decide. God knows there are numerous links for the conspiricy theories. I am certain anyone could find them without my help.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/3491861.html?page=3


I've read it, thanks

[brien]

OK. If you are going to link that, I'll have to respond with these to counter the establishment lies.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/august2006/100806popularmechanics.htm

http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/pm/

http://www.serendipity.li/wot/pop_mech/reply_to_popular_mechanics.htm

Fair and balanced is what we shoot for eh PH? I knew I could count on you.

[apdst]

how can you be so sure there is no way they could have loaded those buildings in three hours? I thought Black Opps was supposed to be pretty good at stuff like that.

SpecOps doesn't do controlled implosions...lol

[PatrickHenry]

Mossad did it.
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/fiveisraelis.html
http://www.rense.com/general64/moss.htm
http://www.rense.com/general21/was911mossad.htm

All the Arabs know it...heh...so do the Israelis, (obviously)

Only slow witted Americans are fooled by the obviousness of the false-flag op.

[brien]

Hey, I'm not saying this is what happened, I just posted something that would explain why some folks feel it could have happened. One of many of the unanswered questions that make the entire thing look like it could have an inside job. And since I don't trust politicians OR greedy businessmen I have no reason to feel there wasn't monkey business going on.

Now....how can you be so sure there is no way they could have loaded those buildings in three hours? I thought Black Opps was supposed to be pretty good at stuff like that.


Ya know, without getting into the endless posts on this, all I can say is I saw a plane hit the WTC. I saw them burn and collapse. I am no expert, but I do suspect the following; The US government isn't capable of pulling off such a major event as 911 and not have one person come forward and say, yeah, I helped do it. It is too complicated in its coordination, and I am surprised at some people who rail against the US government everyday who put stock in the capabillity that it would need to pull this event off. Hell the US government can't even coordinate some government programs in an effecient manner, how could one reasonably expect it to pull off such a massive undertaking and be successful? Doesn't wash with me. Sorry.

But eveyone believes what they are comfortable with and I am not going to try and change their minds. Besides, my emotional investment is in the business cards I still have of the people I knew who worked in those towers. Bummer..

[PatrickHenry]

The 9/11 Truth movement is interested in real justice for those same people, brien.

Not foreign aggression by the US military that kills millions.

But that is where we have been led by these "enabling events."

[Go Fish]

Documented facts trump theoretical fads every time.

[potter]

SpecOps doesn't do controlled implosions...lol

How do you know what special ops does and does not do? You think they're gonna publish a list or something?

It's my understanding they do whatever they are ordered to do.

[potter]

Ya know, without getting into the endless posts on this, all I can say is I saw a plane hit the WTC. I saw them burn and collapse. I am no expert, but I do suspect the following; The US government isn't capable of pulling off such a major event as 911 and not have one person come forward and say, yeah, I helped do it. It is too complicated in its coordination, and I am surprised at some people who rail against the US government everyday who put stock in the capabillity that it would need to pull this event off. Hell the US government can't even coordinate some government programs in an effecient manner, how could one reasonably expect it to pull off such a massive undertaking and be successful? Doesn't wash with me. Sorry.

But eveyone believes what they are comfortable with and I am not going to try and change their minds. Besides, my emotional investment is in the business cards I still have of the people I knew who worked in those towers. Bummer..

I knew folks who worked there too....:sadly:

Your point is also a good point.

My own thoughts run along the lines of this administration knew it was going to happen and allowed it to happen. The motivation? Trillions of dollars in oil revenues and and a blank check for the arms and weapons industries....all pet pals and business partners of Bush and his gang. And the master mind Osama walked free....completely forgotten....as an accomplice should...

Saddam became the scapegoat.

Like I've said, I wouldn't put it past evil greedy men to do something like allow an attack on their country for billions upon billions of dollars. None of them suffered for it, and the war hasn't cost any of them a dime.

[Mia]

WOW. 5 pages not addressing the OP, lol.

[Pookie]

Yeah, he does, and he's full of crap. We've heard loads of crap from nations' leaders before, so this is nothing new. Let him babble on. He's only making himself look foolish.
Purrs,
Pookie

[David]

Meh, his people love America even more then Americans. Don't take his word for that of Iran. Also, Fox isn't much of a source these days. More like a glorified tabloid.

[preservanation]

Hey! Lots of regulars here have been saying the same thing.. The Democrats should get this guy to give this speech at their convention....Isn't it interesting how he parrots the same line as the Left?It's gotten to the point where they're faxing talking points back and forth.