Well... Seems some people think the Israeli gov't are Nazis.

[David]

National Socialist is the concept behind governments such as the NSDAP in Germany and the current government in Israel. The society is owned, collectively, by the people, and it acts in their interest. Unfortunately most of these are democratic, insuring that the lowest elements of reason prevail.

Now before you go, ":madlaugh: Look at the people who don't know what Nazis are!", you should know they are Nazis! :shock:

I must say, this is 1 of the oddest political parties I've ever seen.

Link (http://www.nazi.org/nazi/national_socialism/)

[Drocket]

Nazis calling Jews Nazis - irony is dead.

[PatrickHenry]

It is odd...

Some interesting proposals however...

I don't expect any mainstream support...

[David]

It is odd...

Some interesting proposals however...

I don't expect any mainstream support...

No arguments from me. I'm an admitted socialist and even I find some of their ideas appealing. Logic rather then religion used in government. :thumbsup:

To bad they're Nazis. The racism is a bit distasteful.

Also, anyone else find libertarianism and fascism to be an oxymoron?

[Moorington]

Always need these sort of guys around, mainly to prove a point if nothing else.

[jafar00]

Nazis calling Jews Nazis - irony is dead.

Takes one to know one. :p

[David]

:madlaugh:

Bill Cosby summons his inner Malcolm X
From Birmingham to Cleveland and Baltimore, at churches and colleges, Cosby has been telling thousands of black Americans that racism in America is omnipresent but that it can't be an excuse to stop striving. As Cosby sees it, the antidote to racism is not rallies, protests, or pleas, but strong families and communities. Instead of focusing on some abstract notion of equality, he argues, blacks need to cleanse their culture, embrace personal responsibility, and reclaim the traditions that fortified them in the past. Driving Cosby's tough talk about values and responsibility is a vision starkly different from Martin Luther King's gauzy, all-inclusive dream: it's an America of competing powers, and a black America that is no longer content to be the weakest of the lot.

Nazis agreeing with a black man! These people are too good! :ecstatic:

[Elrathin]

Sorry but calling Jews "Nazis" is ridiculous. Last I checked Israel wasn't trying to attack other countries, nor are they sending Palestinians to the "showers without water" or holding them in concentration camps.

And before someone says Palestine is one big concentration camp, take a good look at pictures from concentration camps from WWII and then look at the Palestinians. There is no comparison.

I am against how Israel was created, but this comparison is getting silly IMO.

[jafar00]

Sorry but calling Jews "Nazis" is ridiculous. Last I checked Israel wasn't trying to attack other countries,

Lebanon, Syria and daily incursions into Palestinian territory have you proved wrong there.


nor are they sending Palestinians to the "showers without water" or holding them in concentration camps.

Starvation, and squalor caused by the Israeli blockade and the destruction of civilian infrastructure has a similar effect.


And before someone says Palestine is one big concentration camp, take a good look at pictures from concentration camps from WWII and then look at the Palestinians. There is no comparison.


Yes. In concentration camps they didn't have missiles and artillery raining down on them. They also got food, water and access to at least basic medical care in concentration camps.


I am against how Israel was created, but this comparison is getting silly IMO.

You need to take off the Israeli lobby coloured glasses first.

[Moorington]

Jafar! So good to see you again!

So, did you ever read my long post for you why Israel's war is just, and the Palestinian's is not or did you just find yourself cornered by facts and promptly disappear for a day or two?

Lebanon, Syria and daily incursions into Palestinian territory who have you proved wrong there

And you're telling me that the constant bombardments by the PLO is something Israel should ignore? Or that the three wars waged by Arab aggressors was somehow an accident?

Starvation, and squalor caused by the Israeli blockade and the destruction of civilian infrastructure has a similar effect.

A blockade that has resulted from repeated warnings- I still find it the height of egotism to act surprised when a democracy follows through with its repeated warnings; Israel isn't Europe after all.

Yes. In concentration camps they didn't have missiles and artillery raining down on them. They also got food, water and access to at least basic medical care in concentration camps.

If the Arab League was so concerned about them, why don't they give all those Palestinians citizenship? Let's fact it, no one likes the Palestinians- and blaming Israel for all their problems isn't very smart.

[Elrathin]

Lebanon, Syria and daily incursions into Palestinian territory have you proved wrong there.

In response to direct attacks on them from people in those countries. I'll give you that it is extreme, but hardly like Germany.


Starvation, and squalor caused by the Israeli blockade and the destruction of civilian infrastructure has a similar effect.

Yes. In concentration camps they didn't have missiles and artillery raining down on them. They also got food, water and access to at least basic medical care in concentration camps.

Are you seriously saying that starvation is even close to the same scale as it was in those concentration camps? I suggest you look at more photos of concentration camps then.


You need to take off the Israeli lobby coloured glasses first.

I have no such glasses Jafar, and I actually take offense to you suggesting I do just because I don't share your opinion that Palestine is the same as a German Concentration camp. You will find that I am critical very much of how Israel runs things but I also know the comparison is nowhere close.

I just recognize that the problem is on both sides. There are roughly 7.2 million people living in Israel. While I don't agree with how Isreal was created, 7.2 million people are not going to leave. It is a logistic impossibility.

Both sides have to learn to live with each other.

[David]

How did a ":madlaugh: @ the stupid Nazis!" thread become a flame fest? You're mods, remember? Set an example and STAY ON TOPIC! Israel =/= LNSG.

[brien]

Starvation, and squalor caused by the Israeli blockade and the destruction of civilian infrastructure has a similar effect.



Yes. In concentration camps they didn't have missiles and artillery raining down on them. They also got food, water and access to at least basic medical care in concentration camps.

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You really need to visit the Holocaust Museum down in DC because the only people who really got proper food, water and medical care were the Nazis charged to guard the camps.

Jews, and others, were routinely starved, worked around the clock, and even had medical experiments conducted upon them. Many camps were simply death camps where inmates starved to death. Also, if you consider this access to medical care, then perhaps you would be willing to submit yourself to an experiment whereby you would be used as a animal to study freezing to death.

Here is a list of the Concentration death camps to educate yourself to the realities of these horrors that the Nazi's forced upon Jews. I get so tired of this word "Nazi" being bandied about because it serves to cheapen the reality of what really happened to the prisoners during this dark period of human history.


http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/cc.html

The link below catagorizes the medical experiments conducted upon the prisoners.

http://www.remember.org/educate/medexp.html

Medical Experiments of the Holocaust and Nazi Medicine
Foreword

People must remember the Holocaust as a insult to humanity. The lives lost were not only great in number, but offered so much to mankind. How the world would have been different if the millions of souls destroyed could have lived.

Doctors have always been thought of as the saviors of mankind, the healers, and caretakers of our utter existence. Even ancient civilizations revered the medicine men as having special power to protect life. The trust of a physician is sacred. This is why the practice of medicine by the doctors of the Third Reich is egregious, outrageous, and shocking. The Nazi doctors violated the trust placed in them by humanity. The most painful truth is for the most part the doctors escaped their crimes against Humanity and lived a life, unlike their victims.

The Experiments


INDEX


Freezing / Hypothermia
Genetics
Infectious Diseases
Interrogation and Torture
Killing / Genocide
High Altitude
Pharmacological
Sterilization
Surgery
Traumatic Injuries

Freezing / Hypothermia

The freezing / hypothermia experiments were conducted for the Nazi high command. The experiments were conducted on men to simulate the conditions the armies suffered on the Eastern Front. The German forces were ill prepared for the bitter cold. Thousands of German soldiers died of freezing or were debilitated by cold injuries.

The experiments were conducted under the supervision of Dr. Sigmund Rascher at Birkenau, Dachau and Auschwitz . Dr. Rascher reported directly to Himmler. Dr. Rascher publicized the results of his freezing experiments at the 1942 medical conference entitled "Medical Problems Arising from Sea and Winter".

The freezing experiments were divided into two parts. First, to establish how long it would take to lower the body temperature to death and second how to best resuscitate the frozen victim.

The two main methods used to freeze the victim were to put the person in a icy vat of water or to put the victim outside naked in sub-zero temperatures.

The icy vat method proved to be the fastest way to drop the body temperature. The selections were made of young healthly Jews or Russians. They were usually stripped naked and prepared for the experiment. A insulated probe which measured the drop in the body temperature was inserted into the rectum. The probe was held in place by a expandable metal ring which was adjusted to open inside the rectum to hold the probe firmly in place. The victim was then placed in the vat of cold water and started to freeze. It was learned that most victims lost consciousness and died when the body temperature dropped to 25 C.

Two Russian men were seen by a prisoner doctor in the cold vat. They were very strong men and had said a comment to the SS doctor performing the experiment. The prisoner doctor was shocked at how long the Russian men could take the cold without loosing consciousness. He asked the directing doctor to take them out of the tank. He did not allow this and increased the temperature slightly to prolong their pain. They died after a long painful stay in the tank.

The second way to freeze a victim was to strap them to a stretcher and place them outside naked. The extreme winters of Auschwitz made a natural place for this experiment.

The resuscitation or warming experiments were just as cruel and painful as the freezing experiments.

Sun Lamp

The victims were placed under sun lamps which were so hot they would burn the skin. One young homosexual victim was repeatedly cooled to unconsciousness then revived with lamps until he was pouring sweat. He died one evening after several test sessions.

Internal Irrigation

The frozen victim would have water heated to a near blistering temperature forcefully irrigated into the stomach, bladder, and intestines. All victims appeared to have died from the treatment.

Hot Bath

The victim was placed in warm water and the temperature was slowly increased. This method proved to be the best. Many victims died do to shock if they were warmed up to quickly.

Warming by Body Heat

Heinrich Himmler sugested to Dr. Rascher that he try to use women to warm the frozen men. He suggested that the victim and a women copulate. This perverted experiment occured with some success. However it was not as successful as the Warm Bath.

Genetic Experiments

The Nordic or Aryan Race was the most important goal of the Nazis. It was the largest part of the over all plan. The blonde hair, blue eye, super men were to be the only race. The Blacks, Hispanics, Jews, Gypsies, Homosexuals and anyone else that did not meet the race requirements were to by cleansed from society through genocide. Hitler and the German High command made a list rules for the fellow Nazis to follow. The new rules required all SS before marriage must submit to general testing to insure racial purity. The rules for marriage were unbelievably complex. Thousands of marriages were denied. If the laws for marriage were broken it could mean the death penalty.

Dr. Sigmund Rascher and his wife learned what not following the marriage laws would hold for their lives. Mrs. Rascher was sterile. They were not illegally married; they adopted two children. They were later investigated by the Gestapo and executed for the crime. In this case, after his medical experimentation, it seems fitting that this killer was caught up by his own party.

Early in power the National Science groups were pushed into research of the race and experiments commenced. First the party needed propaganda to prove all other races were inferior. Measurements of heads, eyes, nose, blood were required. The vast majority of the early experiments were a propaganda sham. It was determined Gypsies had different blood and were inclined to criminal behavior. The same type of findings were made of all races other than the Nazis.

After the camps were started, vast genetic experiments were undertaken. The range of the testing was broad and specialized. The two major groups of experiments were first to refine the master race and second to determine the cause of defects.

Dr. Josef Mengele research on twins and Gypsies exemplifies the quest for the genetic studies. Dr. Mengele was known as the "Angel of Death". He would be at every selection when the new trains would arrive at Auschwitz. After the victims were unloaded off the trains and stripped naked and divided into men, women, and children, he would sort through the thousands of people. Most went straight to the gas chambers and others to hard labor in the camps. The twins, dwarfs, and unique physical specimens were selected to be assigned to the experimental blocks. In many ways the majority who where killed in the gas chambers were much better off than the survivors that had no idea what horrors awaited them.

Experiments on Twins

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I had to abbreviate the paste here but if you are interested in the sick expriments upon twins, please merely click the link.

[brien]

In response to direct attacks on them from people in those countries. I'll give you that it is extreme, but hardly like Germany.



Are you seriously saying that starvation is even close to the same scale as it was in those concentration camps? I suggest you look at more photos of concentration camps then.



I have no such glasses Jafar, and I actually take offense to you suggesting I do just because I don't share your opinion that Palestine is the same as a German Concentration camp. You will find that I am critical very much of how Israel runs things but I also know the comparison is nowhere close.

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Elrathin: It is obvious that the poster you are responding to (jarafar) is either woefully ignorant of what happened in the Nazi Concentration Camps, or he/she is purposely understating the experience to serve their own agenda. Either way it is downright insulting to any intelligent student of history and current modern world politics.

[potter]

Now before you go, ":madlaugh: Look at the people who don't know what Nazis are!", you should know they are Nazis! :shock:

I must say, this is 1 of the oddest political parties I've ever seen.

Link (http://www.nazi.org/nazi/national_socialism/)


I don't think the Israelis are Nazis, I have a higher opinion of Nazis than that.

(For you really thick folks out there, that doesn't mean I like the Nazis...it means I have a lower opinion of Israel than the Nazis....)

[PatrickHenry]

potter, I find both regimes despicable and somewhat comparable.

The Zionists don't have extermination camps, true.

But they do hold thousands in dungeons without charges.

Not the type of allies a democratically minded person would want.

But many in the US are covert fascisti, masquerading as "patriots."

[David]

The Zionists are Zionists and the Nazis are Nazis. Both are fascists.

[crimzonsol]

Whats wrong with fascism?

[Elrathin]

Whats wrong with fascism?

Plenty is wrong with fascism.

[David]

Whats wrong with fascism?

You're kidding right? Spanish Civil War, WW2, Italy trying to rebuild it's old empire (and killing off all the Ethiopians they could get their hands on to do it), ect.

[crimzonsol]

Whats wrong with those things? And how was fascism directly responsible for those things?

[David]

Whats wrong with those things? And how was fascism directly responsible for those things?

Do you truly fail to see what's wrong with genocide, racism and corporatism?

[jafar00]

One thing the Zionist regime and the Nazis have in common... Both were racist and both had delusions of being the superior chosen race where everyone who isn't one of them is considered lower than a farm animal.

As for those of you who don't like my opinions regarding the Holocaust, just remember that questioning it is not a crime, at least not in the country I'm in. ;)