Hillary might pull out of 08 race.

[Labrocca]

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2089-2340352,00.html

One would think she is smart enough to know she can't win. As a Democrat should could do a lot more as a Minority Leader. That might prepare her for a 2012 bid.

[dsanthony]

Yes, but who else will the Dems put forward. "I can't win" would have stopped Humphrey, McGovern, Mondale, Dukakis, gore and Kerry from running. Hilary shouldn't let it stop her, either.

[Cobra]

How can she pull out of a race she hasn't even entered yet, no one can say for sure she was or is even planning on running.

I think the repubs might be in for a surprise next prez. election, the way things are going right now the democrats stand a good chance of winning. I wouldn't choose Hillary to bet on but even she would stand a slight chance.

[Labrocca]

I think the repubs might be in for a surprise next prez. election, the way things are going right now the democrats stand a good chance of winning. I wouldn't choose Hillary to bet on but even she would stand a slight chance.



If the Dems couldn't win in 04 what makes you think they can in 08? It's obvious the base support for republicans is there. The dems are divided and just like in 04...they won't pull together to 1 candidate.

[Cobra]

Will see, but you have to remember people are far more dissatisfied then they were in 04 particularly on Iraq. That is Bush's and the Repubs biggest handicap at this time and even if the dems don't pull together on anything else, they could run a candidate on a popular new way to do things in Iraq or get out of Iraq campaign by 08 and they could win on it IMO.

[Mayberry]

Hillary might pull out of 08 race. One can only hope. We don't need the "Red Queen" any more than we need another hole in our heads. but you have to remember people are far more dissatisfied then they were in 04 How do you figure? The latest Chicken Noodle News poll? they could run a candidate on a popular new way to do things in Iraq Cut and run? Disaster in the making. Iran is drooling over the outcome of the '08 election. If some spineless democrap gets in and pulls us out of Iraq, it's all over. Everything will be left up to the UN wussies, and Iran will have nuclear capability quicker than you can shake a stick. Then where will we be? Little bits of charcoal, I think.

[Labrocca]

And Cobra..what would this popular new way to handle Iraq be?

Even the Dems are scared to say pull out now.

[Cobra]

And Cobra..what would this popular new way to handle Iraq be?

Even the Dems are scared to say pull out now.

I don't know what the dems will trot, maybe nothing and lose again but if I was then I would run on a gradual withdraw of American troops and put a time line on it. Even the pull out now rout would be popular, even if some on the right want to deny it that wont change the fact that this war is un-popular with the general public.

Americans have never liked drawn out wars with no distinct end in site and many Americans don't even understand why we are even fighting over there. I can only give you polls, but most people would just dismiss any they disagreed with and my personal experiences. That’s what I’m basing my conclusions on but will see if I’m right come the next prez election. No use debating it until then because we really have no idea what will happen in two years.

But everyone I talk to around here say about the same thing, our boys are over there dying for nothing, the war is pointless, Bush and oil, he worries more about the people in other countries over us, and remember I'm in conservative Kentucky and talking with people who were big Bush supporters just a few short years ago. He is even more un-popular with younger but non-voting kids at my school. Moron and I would like to assonate him is something IÂ*Â*hear often when the subject is brought up and with kids that otherwise are Christian conservatives though non-political.

[Rider]

The problem is that Iraq was just one campaign in the terror war. Pulling out of the war after Iraq has been settled would be about a stupid as quitting WWII after the fall of Itlay. Germany (much like Iran now) would have still been the real threat to the world.

[Cobra]

Germany (much like Iran now) would have still been the real threat to the world.
How much of the world has Iran invaded, did they just attack us, no. The threat is not even closing to being the same, not even close and if Iran is such the bad boy what are we even doing in Iraq. Wouldn't it have made more sense to invade Iran if they are the ones that are the real threat and who we're really trying to stop.

[lily]

And Cobra..what would this popular new way to handle Iraq be?

Even the Dems are scared to say pull out now.


Only the most radical of the left are saying pull out immediately. The Democrats want to cut and run is a nice slogan for the right to run on, but it's false. Even Murtha when he proposed a gradual withdrawl, the right blew it out of proportion and are now proposing almost the same thing he did. If the war in Iraq turns into a civil war, or sectarian if you prefer the other name, it will leave us no other option but to pull out.

As for Iran getting a nuke, same for North Korea........ Sorry folks, but both happened under Bush's watch. We neither have the money, the man power or the backing of any other nation to do anything about it. The only way we would get into another war, without finishing the first two is if Israel invaded first.......and then you will still have opposition. Our men in Iraq would be sitting ducks.

.......but then the subject of this thread is will Hillary run? You have to admit that she's the biggest money maker the Democrats have. Personally I think she's the perfect Red Herring, she sure does have the Rubuplicans talking and running scared. She has too much personal baggage, she's not popular with women voters and still is in favor of this war. My personal opinion, is just that.

The United States has only had white men run. Kennedy being the first Catholic running was a big transition. Race and gender are still big factors in this nation. We are definately ready for a change, but I doubt it will be a woman president, before a black president.

[Cobra]

We are definately ready for a change, but I doubt it will be a woman president, before a black president.

I think there will and I'm betting a woman will be president in my lifetime. Hopefully it won’t take 60 but will see. It won’t be Hillary though. I don’t know why she is so unpopular, I like her personally.

[lily]

Oh I don't doubt that a woman will be president, most likely in your life time. I do however think That Obamba running in '08, to be first, before a woman.

[Cobra]

I just don't know if Obama could win, people are still pretty racist down here. I see it all the time, plus his name and Muslim heritage. He's good but I don't know if he would overcome that unless the repubs put up a really bad candidate.

I didn't know he planned on running so soon, 08 isn't that far away.

[lily]

Cobra..........I got the '08 mixed up with a person's name.;) I meant to type '12

[Cobra]

He wont run if the dems win this time, thank they will lose again.

[Labrocca]

No way Obama will win anything above a senate seat. He doesn't have the credentials.

[dsanthony]

You're right lab. Apart from his description of his drug use and being an articulate black, Obama has Zero credentials to be president. Further, he would be running on the same platform as Dukakis, Gore and Kerry. But Cobra has already played the race card 6 years before the election. "I just don't know if Obama could win, people are still pretty racist down here."

As I just wrote in another thread, Dems keep blacks victims by blaming racism for every black failing. It's pathological.

[Cobra]

As I just wrote in another thread, Dems keep blacks victims by blaming racism for every black failing.Â*Â*It's pathological.

Bullshit, I know what I hear and there are quite a few racist down here even in my own family. Sure it's not blatant KKK racsism but they wouldn't vote for a black any black. Denying Racism existence is just as bad as using it to excuse everything done by non-white races of people and I do not cry racism in every instance but I wont deny it exist in our country to the level of a black not being able to win a prez. Election in 08. I could give you plenty examples of racism with just my own personal stories.

[lily]

No way Obama will win anything above a senate seat.Â*Â*He doesn't have the credentials.


By 2012 he will have. Personally I think he would make a good president. I guess the Republicans must too, since they are already bringing up his parents being Muslim. Never too early to start slinging the mud. Either way, he seems perfectly happy where he is and senators rarely make presidents.

[dsanthony]

As I said, if Obama runs, he will run on the same campaign as Dukakis, Mondale, Gore and Kerry.Â*Â*he will lose because he's a liberal Dem (and an admitted drug user) not because he is black.

Repubs are drooling for Condi Rice to run.Â*There is NO doubt who the racists are... they live mainly in the blue states.

[Cobra]

There is NO doubt who the racists are... they live mainly in the blue states.
Maybe so but I see plenty of racism right down here in Kentucky so prove me wrong with something more than your opinion to back it up.

[AlonzoMourning23]

As I said, if Obama runs, he will run on the same campaign as Dukakis, Mondale, Gore and Kerry.Â*Â*he will lose because he's a liberal Dem (and an admitted drug user) not because he is black.

You think americans will oppose an ex drug user? Where have you been?

Repubs are drooling for Condi Rice to run.

I hope she runs too. Iraq is a big liability at this point.

There is NO doubt who the racists are... they live mainly in the blue states.

Which states, in 98 and 2000, had about 40% of their voting population vote to keep the unenforcable ban of interracial marriage in place? Massachusetts? Vermont? Oregon?

Also, I accidentally may have edited your post. It was completely unintentional. I hit edit instead of quote.

[Nathan Brazil]

Can you people explain why, in specific terms, you all think your favorite one term Senators with no other experience qualifies anyone to be president?

I've heard the Red Queen, Edwards, and now Obama being touted as some sort of Great White Hope.Â*Â*You guys got a death wish?Â*Â*Any one of them is a disaster waiting for a chance to become a catastrophe.

Even JFK had two terms in the House, too, and look what a mess he made of things.

[Rider]

Zo wrote- Which states, in 98 and 2000, had about 40% of their voting population vote to keep the unenforcable ban of interracial marriage in place? Massachusetts? Vermont? Oregon?
Are you talking about white racists or black racists? Studies in the past have shown opposition to interracial marriage is about the same, if not greater in the black community.

[dsanthony]

Since a full 3/4 of all black children are born out of wedlock, we have to examine how the democratic policies have weakened black families. Certainly, black men marrying white women has increased the poverty rate among black women, who are left alone to raise children who will also live in poverty, or in the case of black men, live much of their lives in prison.

[dsanthony]

np zo. I will rewrite the post, and answer the question raised about my post..

Republicans are drooling for either Powell or Rice to run for the Presidency. that neither has probably has something to do with the treatment of Justice Thomas and other high profile blacks who run for office as conservatives or democrats.

Powell and Rice (and Thomas, Sowell--even Cosby) have been publicly attacked by black dems and liberals as "whites" and "uncle toms" (see my signature quote about Joe Frazier). There is NO doubt who the racists are... they are blacks Dems and liberals.

[lily]

Can you people explain why, in specific terms, you all think your favorite one term Senators with no other experience qualifies anyone to be president?

I've heard the Red Queen, Edwards, and now Obama being touted as some sort of Great White Hope.Â*Â*You guys got a death wish?Â*Â*Any one of them is a disaster waiting for a chance to become a catastrophe.

Even JFK had two terms in the House, too, and look what a mess he made of things.


Well in just the cases you mentioned......I did change my run time for Obamba from '08 to '12, that would give him the two years you say should be needed. In the case of HIllary she already has White House experience under her belt and Edwards has laready run once. I'd also like to add, that these are just names in a hat. I see nothing on the Republican side except for McCain.

[Popwing]

My two cents regarding Hillary C.

Since 1980 there has been a Bush or a Clinton in, or behind the White House. Thats 26 years of two families calling the shots. If Hillary is elected, that number jumps up to 32 years.

I think we can do better. That type of governmental power is usually only seen in a monarchy or an aristocracy.

I know we can do better.

[lily]

Since 1980 there has been a Bush or a Clinton in, or behind the White House. Thats 26 years of two families calling the shots. If Hillary is elected, that number jumps up to 32 years.

I honestly never thought of that!!