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David
04-11-2008, 12:48 AM
Link (http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/32/usc_sup_01_32.html)

Title 32 is a law that restricts the Constitutional right of the sovereign state's right to regulate a volunteer state military. Under Title 32, all state militias not organized as part of the National Guard are illegal and considered rebel paramilitary forces. No longer can a state create it's own army, navy and/or air force without being considered a state in rebellion.

Link (http://www.stateline.org/live/details/story?contentId=170453)

In 2006 the last remnants of the state militia remaining under Title 32 were swept away as the US Congress revised the Insurrection Act allowing the president absolute authority in the command of National Guard units. No longer may a sovereign governor refuse to nationalize the official state militia if they feel the president doesn't have a valid reason for nationalization.

Under Title 32 the President of the United States of America may size control of the state militias. No longer will the sovereign states be able to rely on loyal military forces to oppose any dictatorial or illegal actions by the president or a presidentially supported US Congress. The militias are no more.

Mayberry
04-11-2008, 01:36 AM
Well, the beautiful thing about a rebellion is that the rules no longer apply! And this is one more good reason to live in Texas, the only state with the right of secession. Texans are arguably the best armed citizens as well seeing as how we have the highest number of licensed hunters in the nation. Not a bad thing in my opinion. Armed citizens are all that stand to prevent dictatorship.

David
04-11-2008, 01:48 AM
Well, the beautiful thing about a rebellion is that the rules no longer apply! And this is one more good reason to live in Texas, the only state with the right of secession. Texans are arguably the best armed citizens as well seeing as how we have the highest number of licensed hunters in the nation. Not a bad thing in my opinion. Armed citizens are all that stand to prevent dictatorship.

Actually all states have that right, your's is just made plain on paper. What's not allowed is defection of a state to another power (California from Mexico to America type situation) or in union with other states (like the CSA, hance why Texas was curb stomped despite that part in your constitution). If a state was to declare independence indipendently the Feds wouldn't be able to find a law or a constitutional article that would let them stop them so long as said state didn't attack.

Mayberry
04-11-2008, 02:09 AM
Great! So what's the worry then? US Armed Forces cannot be used against American citizens (ah so, a catch 22!). I suppose if a state seceeded then they are no longer US citizens and the military could be used against them, but I don't really think the federal government would want to kick that hornet's nest. The result would not be pretty and would most likely cause other states to follow suit.

David
04-11-2008, 02:12 AM
Great! So what's the worry then? US Armed Forces cannot be used against American citizens (ah so, a catch 22!). I suppose if a state seceeded then they are no longer US citizens and the military could be used against them, but I don't really think the federal government would want to kick that hornet's nest. The result would not be pretty and would most likely cause other states to follow suit.

Yes, and I support my state's independence, but until and if that time comes to pass, the president, whoever that may be, has power over an organization that 1. is illegal and 2. it shouldn't have.

Mayberry
04-11-2008, 02:38 AM
Does your state have an actual militia? I know that there are state branches of the National Guard, but these guys are federal anyway, aren't they?

David
04-11-2008, 02:48 AM
Does your state have an actual militia? I know that there are state branches of the National Guard, but these guys are federal anyway, aren't they?

No, Title 32 abolished the militia and replaced it with the NG.

Mayberry
04-11-2008, 04:21 PM
Oh well. Just do like I do and keep your guns oiled and your magazine full!

Keith Hamburger
04-12-2008, 04:54 AM
Well, I just bought a new shotgun so I'm good. Gave the old one with the cool folding stock and pistol grips, front and rear, to my stepdaughter. It was a 40+ year old Sears brand, Mossberg manufactured pump. Cool gun. But, got a good deal on a new Mossberg with an 18.5" barrel and a 28" hunting barrel. Could hardly pass it up.

Keith

firefox
04-15-2008, 05:46 AM
Well, the beautiful thing about a rebellion is that the rules no longer apply! And this is one more good reason to live in Texas, the only state with the right of secession. Texans are arguably the best armed citizens as well seeing as how we have the highest number of licensed hunters in the nation. Not a bad thing in my opinion. Armed citizens are all that stand to prevent dictatorship.

This isn't entirely true. Check out the NH constitution ;) Back to the general topic, though, if we live in a Title 32 world, we now need independent emergency response and defense units even more than ever.

Osborn F. Enready
04-15-2008, 07:26 AM
I don't remember checking any laws to see if I could exercise my natural rights.....

Nope, I didn't.

Don't see how this will affect anything, I still own guns.