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Alonzo
04-09-2008, 03:41 PM
All John Clifford wanted was a peaceful ride to work on the 7:39 to Pennsylvania Station. He would get to the Long Island Rail Road station at Long Beach early every weekday morning, board the train, stake out a five-seat section to rest his bad back, and prepare to read his newspaper and eat his breakfast.

But all around him, there would be chaos. One woman putting on full makeup while listening to her iPod and talking to friends. Another inviting guests to a barbecue and talking about personal problems. Men chatting on cellphones. They were treating the ride as a social situation, he testified in court on Tuesday, forming cliques and getting to know each other by name.

He asked the passengers to keep it down, but the chatter continued. In March 2007, Mr. Clifford had had enough. He shouted an obscenity at a passenger talking on his cellphone and slapped the hand of another, and was arrested. On Tuesday, he found himself in Manhattan Criminal Court, telling his tale.

“I stand up for my right to be let alone,” Mr. Clifford, a retired New York City police sergeant, declared from the witness stand at his nonjury trial on charges including harassment and assault.

To his accusers, Mr. Clifford, 60, was a bully who hogged five seats and had told one passenger, Donna DeCurtis, who had talked loudly, that he knew her name and where she lived, and that “I can make your life hell.” He had been arrested before, the prosecutor said, though, until now, the charges had always been dropped.

After one of those arrests, Ms. DeCurtis testified on Tuesday, “everybody just stood up and applauded.”

But Mr. Clifford testified that, deep down, many of his fellow passengers were grateful, but were too scared to speak up. “When I sit on the train it’s quiet,” he said. “I get up, people come over and shake my hand. They say: ‘Thank you. I wanted to rip her throat out.’ ”

Outside court, he compared himself to Rosa Parks, fighting for his right to sit where he wanted in peace.

“Look what happened to her,” he said, pointing out that Parks was punished for her stand against discrimination. In court, however, he sometimes sounded like the Miss Manners of the railroad, blaming the Metropolitan Transportation Authority, the railroad’s parent agency, for not enforcing its own etiquette rules, which restrict noise to 70 decibels under some circumstances.

He had bought a noise meter and found that the train alone measured 70 decibels. “When you’re talking across the car it goes to 80 decibels,” he testified.

Although he seemed like a perfect client for a civil rights lawyer, he chose to represent himself. He has a law degree.

Dressed in a blue Oxford shirt, wearing glasses, and with close-cropped gray hair, he looked lawyerly as he was sworn in to testify. Mr. Clifford said that he routinely took up a section of five facing seats because he was 6-foot-4 and suffered from backaches. It was, he said, the only place where he could cross his legs to ease the pain. He offered to show his scar from a back operation to Judge Larry Stephen, who declined.

“Do I admit to being domineering?” he testified. “Yeah.”

He described his usual routine on the 7:39 or the 8:03 from Long Beach to his job as a private investigator in Manhattan: “I eat. I mind my own business. I read my paper. I get to work.” Interfering with that routine, he said, was “this clique that think it’s their absolute right to talk as long and as loud as they like.”

Only one clique? the prosecutor asked.

“There are different cliques throughout the train,” he replied. “Throughout every train.”

He said that in October 2006, Ms. DeCurtis deliberately provoked him by talking to one of her friends across the aisle.

“They’re talking from one side of the train to the other,” he testified. “That aggravates me. I can’t concentrate. I can’t catch up on current events, and it gives me a headache, so I tell them off.”

Judge Stephen gently interjected, “You can move to another car, can’t you?”

“The problem is, Your Honor, there are no seats,” Mr. Clifford replied.

He admitted that he had threatened to make Ms. DeCurtis’s life hell, but said he knew personal details about her only because she had talked about them so loudly to her friends.

“But you have to realize some of your conduct is inappropriate?” the judge asked.

“Your Honor, it only becomes inappropriate when people themselves won’t behave,” he said.

Mr. Clifford faced charges of misdemeanor assault, attempted petit larceny, harassment and disorderly conduct.

He admitted that he had cursed at a passenger, Nicholas Bender, who was talking on his cellphone, then slapped the hand of another passenger, Lydia Klein, as she tried to give her business card to Mr. Bender — but only after she slapped his hand first. The prosecutor said Mr. Clifford was trying to steal the information on the card, hence the larceny charge.

“He is not a white knight, he’s Darth Vader,” said Mary Weisgerber, the prosecutor, in her closing argument.

But after it was all done, Judge Stephen acquitted Mr. Clifford of all charges. The judge said he had discounted most of the testimony against Mr. Clifford because all but one of the witnesses had “an ax to grind.”

“While the court does not condone the defendant’s manner of getting people to remain quiet or silent on the Long Island Rail Road,” Judge Stephen said, “I see no crimes having been committed beyond a reasonable doubt.”

Railroad officials said they were disappointed. “Some of our customers feel as if they have been abused by Mr. Clifford’s behavior,” said Joe Calderone, a spokesman for the railroad. “We will not tolerate aggressive behavior by Mr. Clifford if he seeks to impose his own standards of conduct on others. We will not hesitate in the future to call on police if necessary to protect the safety of our customers and employees.”

As Mr. Clifford left the courtroom and stepped outside to light a celebratory cigar, he pronounced the judge “excellent” and even complimented the prosecutor for finding one neutral witness.

On Tuesday evening, he took the A train to the Grant Avenue-Pitkin Avenue station in Brooklyn, where he picked up his car for the drive home to Long Beach — not because he was afraid to take the commuter railroad, but because the subway was more convenient, he said. He celebrated at Shines bar.

“Believe me,” Mr. Clifford said, “I am no hero. Rosa Parks is a hero. I’m just a knucklehead.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/09/nyregion/09train.html?pagewanted=2&ei=5087&em&en=f37d05632727a92b&ex=1207886400

micfranklin
04-09-2008, 04:18 PM
What an asshole.

Pookie
04-09-2008, 04:37 PM
This f***noid needs to buy a car and drive himself to work enjoying his peace and quiet.
What an idiot. People on buses and trains yack away all the time! And people are totally fascinating. I've been drawn into many conversations on the bus. It's wonderful to get out there and interact with folks. I learn so much!
You want peace and quiet? Drive yourself.
Purrs,
Pookie

micfranklin
04-09-2008, 06:14 PM
People on buses and trains yack away all the time!

Yes they do, which is why I make sure to bring my iPod with me everytime. Maybe he should've gotten one too or maybe just gotten off the train and waited for another one.

Alonzo
04-09-2008, 06:23 PM
Yes they do, which is why I make sure to bring my iPod with me everytime. Maybe he should've gotten one too or maybe just gotten off the train and waited for another one.

You missed the part where he said he couldn't since other cars didn't have 5 seats for him to stretch out on.

micfranklin
04-09-2008, 06:26 PM
You missed the part where he said he couldn't since other cars didn't have 5 seats for him to stretch out on.

I meant for him to get off entirely.

Go Fish
04-09-2008, 09:43 PM
Who among us has never FELT like doing it, though?

I like to join right in on the discussion when some braying ass is screaming into a cellphone. Some quiet down, some walk away, and the really dumb ones will actually answer the questions.

Elrathin
04-09-2008, 10:00 PM
Who among us has never FELT like doing it, though?

I like to join right in on the discussion when some braying ass is screaming into a cellphone. Some quiet down, some walk away, and the really dumb ones will actually answer the questions.

What annoys me is the "hands free" set that some people have. They just stare at you and talk but they are using the cell phone. Annoys the hell outta me. Also when you see them walking, it looks like they are just crazy talking to themselves hehe.

But if this guy wants a quiet ride, he can get a car. But I do like your idea there Go Fish with excessively loud cell phone users :evil:

Go Fish
04-10-2008, 03:09 AM
Try walking up to a urinal in a McDonalds, starting your business, and having a voice from the crapper behind you say "Hi, how ya' doin'?"
BTDT. If he hadn't asked "Is your Mom home?" there was going to be trouble.

PatrickHenry
04-10-2008, 04:12 AM
Sheesh! The guy never heard of earplugs?

They're cheap and effective silence and then you don't engender hate from a whole railroad car...

The judge is an idiot.

Elrathin
04-10-2008, 01:53 PM
Try walking up to a urinal in a McDonalds, starting your business, and having a voice from the crapper behind you say "Hi, how ya' doin'?"
BTDT. If he hadn't asked "Is your Mom home?" there was going to be trouble.

Yeah, I don't understand that one. When I'm on the pot, talking on the cell phone is not even an option in my book.

NDNdancer
04-11-2008, 03:39 AM
The day I resigned, I turned in my cell phone to the President of my college along with my resignation letter. I hated the damn thing and hate them still. For some reason, it gives people this self-important stance and instead of talking normally on the damn things, they act like they have to share their conversation with all of us. Aren't we lucky.

What the heck is the whole talking on the cell phone while in the bathroom thing about? I just think there are some things that are meant to be private and whenever anyone "takes" me to the bathroom with them talking to me on their cell, I hang up. That's just the wierdest damn thing ever.

I've asked people to dial back the volume and will probably again. On really annoyed outtings, I begin hollering to the sky in general at the same volume level they're using just to show them how annoying they are. I have this little "tude" discussion with Creator. Everyone else around us laughs and pretty much shames out the rude person trying to share their conversation with the whole crowd.

There's creative ways to deal with rudeness, shame works the best.

brien
04-11-2008, 05:47 PM
What an excellent example of how our society has degenerated into meme. It's all about me..I yi yi..

Truth_and_Power
04-11-2008, 06:06 PM
The day I resigned, I turned in my cell phone to the President of my college along with my resignation letter. I hated the damn thing and hate them still. For some reason, it gives people this self-important stance and instead of talking normally on the damn things, they act like they have to share their conversation with all of us. Aren't we lucky.

What the heck is the whole talking on the cell phone while in the bathroom thing about? I just think there are some things that are meant to be private and whenever anyone "takes" me to the bathroom with them talking to me on their cell, I hang up. That's just the wierdest damn thing ever.

I've asked people to dial back the volume and will probably again. On really annoyed outtings, I begin hollering to the sky in general at the same volume level they're using just to show them how annoying they are. I have this little "tude" discussion with Creator. Everyone else around us laughs and pretty much shames out the rude person trying to share their conversation with the whole crowd.

There's creative ways to deal with rudeness, shame works the best.

Yeah I'm right with you on that. I had a cell phone one time because I had a travelling job and it was a necessity to get by. Cell phone people are so annoying, yak yak yak. Their lips are moving but they aren't saying much. And they are constantly swerving into my lane.

SouthernLadyGA
04-11-2008, 08:32 PM
I can't wait....cell phone rage at 30,000 feet!

Truth_and_Power
04-11-2008, 08:43 PM
Today on the way home I had to lay on the horn to "defend my lane" from a cell phone driver. Happens all the time..