Would America be better with no Liberals?

[Sublimating]

Do you think that America would be better off without Liberals or Without Conservatives?

I have always believed that this country is great because of both Liberals and Conservatives.

To say that either group brings nothing to the table is to discount the contributions of half the nations citizens.

Can you see past your political bias to admit that this country is great, not because of Liberals or Conservatives, but because of Americans?

Your thoughts and opinions appreciated.

[ViolaLee]

Without Liberals, there would be no America in the first place.

[Troubadour]

Do you think that America would be better off without Liberals or Without Conservatives?


There is no America without liberals. And while conservatism in general is parasitic, it contains a very small kernel of something essential - a mentality that becomes useful on very rare occasions, under very limited circumstances, and the lack of which brings disaster. Just as the last existing samples of smallpox have been preserved should the need arise, so should the conservative psyche, but in general America will only survive if these maniacs and criminals are marginalized from public life.


I have always believed that this country is great because of both Liberals and Conservatives.


Nope. Just liberals.


To say that either group brings nothing to the table is to discount the contributions of half the nations citizens.


More like a third, but that's just the way it is. We don't have to pretend conservatives have accomplished anything to patiently respect their right to continue disgracing themselves.


Can you see past your political bias to admit that this country is great, not because of Liberals or Conservatives, but because of Americans?


Americans are liberals.

[Sublimating]

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Originally Posted by Sublimating View Post
I have always believed that this country is great because of both Liberals and Conservatives.



Troubadour "Nope. Just liberals."

Wow Trubadour...thats a pretty hard core stand to take.

[davo]

America would be better off if people weren't obsessed with the idea you need to be labeled and pigeon-holed as a 'liberal' or a 'conservative' for expressing any particular point of view. People are individuals, and will have a wide range of different views on different matters.

[David]

America would be better off if people weren't obsessed with the idea you need to be labeled and pigeon-holed as a 'liberal' or a 'conservative' for expressing any particular point of view. People are individuals, and will have a wide range of different views on different matters.

This. I'm nether.

[BoogyMan]

America would be better off if there were more individuals who were simply interested in be Americans and less interested in the divisiveness of the conservative/liberal labels. There is a place for such labels and they have a purpose, but they have become the center of all discussion now rather than simply an influencing factor upon input to the discussion.

[Osborn F. Enready]

Americans should be ashamed of their willingness to be duped by bi-partisan lies.....

The reason there are only two choices, is because BOTH parties have consolidated their power in law.....

To think there IS still a choice, is laughable. They are the same evil, no lesser.

[apdst]

There is no America without liberals. And while conservatism in general is parasitic, it contains a very small kernel of something essential - a mentality that becomes useful on very rare occasions, under very limited circumstances, and the lack of which brings disaster.

This sort of elitism is the reason no one likes a Liberal.

[Alonzo]

Depends ap, technically there probably wouldn't be given the role massachusetts played in the founding of the country (many of the conservative loyalists fled to Canada and England), and given the role liberals played in things such as free speech and religious freedom.

Then there's the whole slavery thing.

And the whole equality thing.

[DamnYankee]

"Would America be better with no Liberals?"

America would be better off if liberals stop telling me that I owe some lazy person a free ride. Or telling me I have to pay for everyone's health care, or telling me to conserve fuel while they fly around in Lear Jets, or tell me to give more money so they can spend it, or tell me how to live my life. Other than that keeping a couple around shouldn't mess things up that much.

[Pookie]

Who tells you that? Bush has been President for the past seven years. He hasn't stopped the welfare system. He hasn't stopped illegal immigrants with no insurance using our hospitals and taxing it out of us. He did say we needed to conserve fuel in a speech.
Conservatives are just as bad as liberals.
He didn't fix anything, so quit complaining about liberals. This is really getting old. Please open your mind and be open to education.
Pookie

[DamnYankee]

Conservatives are just as bad as liberals.
He didn't fix anything, so quit complaining about liberals. This is really getting old. Please open your mind and be open to education.
Pookie

Two of the biggest liberals running for president, are currently telling the country that they want a national healthcare system. That means I will be paying for some lazy-a** to go see a doctor. I am being told that I have to pay for it.

Bush hasn't stopped illegal immigration and neither have liberals. In San Fransisco they declared themselves a haven for illegals. SF is a city ran by leftist.

Pookie, you have a problem. The thread has a name and it is called: "Would America be better with no Liberals?" I didn't make the thread, I didn't name the thread. So if you do not want to see things posted about liberalism or tree hugging or anything else you feel is sacred, then don't visit the thread.

So, open your mind to an education. Allow others to express themselves freely. Stop trying to put a stop to the freedom of speech we enjoy. Now, I know liberals love to tell us that they are the champions of free speech, if that is true, then allow people to express themselves. Okay?

[Alonzo]

Two of the biggest liberals running for president, are currently telling the country that they want a national healthcare system. That means I will be paying for some lazy-a** to go see a doctor. I am being told that I have to pay for it.

Yes damn, since everyone not in a high paying job with quality health care is a "lazy-ass". :rolleyes:

But you do pay for millions of peoples health care. Everyone who walks into an emergency room needing treatment and doesn't have insurance and can't/doesn't pay, you help pay for. You pay for it in insurance rates, and you pay for it in taxes. That's why the u.s. pays more in health care, per capita, than any other country.

I'm not going to deny you'd likely pay more in the short term, but a universal health care system would likely result in you paying less in the long term. At least that's how it works in every other country. It really cuts down on those people who want until they require a massively expensive procedure because they're on the verge of life and death.

So, open your mind to an education. Allow others to express themselves freely. Stop trying to put a stop to the freedom of speech we enjoy. Now, I know liberals love to tell us that they are the champions of free speech, if that is true, then allow people to express themselves. Okay?

Why do so many conservatives complain about liberals not allowing them free speech when they simply tell them they think they're wrong?

Free speech doesn't mean shutting up when your opponent says something you don't like.

[DamnYankee]

Yup, it works so well in other countries, isn't it wonderful. Good for them.

"Why do so many conservatives complain about liberals not allowing them free speech when they simply tell them they think they're wrong?

Free speech doesn't mean shutting up when your opponent says something you don't like."

Oh so you mean I can really say what I think about liberals.

[potter]

"Would America be better with no Liberals?"

America would be better off if liberals stop telling me that I owe some lazy person a free ride. Or telling me I have to pay for everyone's health care, or telling me to conserve fuel while they fly around in Lear Jets, or tell me to give more money so they can spend it, or tell me how to live my life. Other than that keeping a couple around shouldn't mess things up that much.

I kinda feel the same way about being told I have to support the military industrial complex, subsidies for big business, international babysitting, and a bloated overpaid "do nothing" government.

Regarding liberals and conservatives....it takes both to make the world go round'...it's those who refuse to compromise...the extremists I have a issue with.

[DamnYankee]

I kinda feel the same way about being told I have to support the military industrial complex, subsidies for big business, international babysitting, and a bloated overpaid "do nothing" government.

I agree. Don't vote liberal.

[David]

Liberals and conservatives both are moderate Right-Wing ideologies that for the most part are identical and keep calling each other names to make it seem like there is debating going on. America is the best example of a 1 party state.

Both sides have supported and indeed been a part of the most corrupt government in the Western World (with the possible exception of Mexico) and they both need to be removed from power. This is a republic, rule for the people, not the corporations.

[potter]

I agree. Don't vote liberal.

I'm not sure what you mean as I haven't see a true "liberal" candidate in years.....

In the scope of things, America as a whole is a very conservative country with very conservative policies all the way around.

Our political scale from a world view pretty much runs from middle of the scale to extreme far right in most circles. Not sure how much further you want to go without becoming the Taliban.....

[DamnYankee]

I'm not sure what you mean as I haven't see a true "liberal" candidate in years.....

Where you been?

Our political scale from a world view pretty much runs from middle of the scale to extreme far right in most circles. Not sure how much further you want to go without becoming the Taliban.....

I really don't care what foreigners think of us anyway. But the US has it's extreme kook leftist fringe, don't kid yourself.

[DamnYankee]

Liberals and conservatives both are moderate Right-Wing ideologies that for the most part are identical and keep calling each other names to make it seem like there is debating going on. America is the best example of a 1 party state.

Both sides have supported and indeed been a part of the most corrupt government in the Western World (with the possible exception of Mexico) and they both need to be removed from power. This is a republic, rule for the people, not the corporations.

Like I said, don't vote liberal and these thing will go away.

[potter]

Where you been?



I really don't care what foreigners think of us anyway. But the US has it's extreme kook leftist fringe, don't kid yourself.

But back to health care....our senators and congressmen are some of the laziest good for nothings around yet we allow them free helath care and pensions...better than any "civilian" would get....and pay them a good salary on top of it...

I'd go for the biggest offenders first.

btw..seriously...is it reaonable to expect anyone but those with the highest salaries to be able to afford private premiums of $12,000 a year? When the average family salary is only about $46.000...before taxes? I'm lucky, my employer picks up 70% of my premium for gold covernage. My wifes employer doesnt and her premiums would be $8,000 a year.

I'd like to see cost controls on health care....BIG cost controls. And non profit insurance.

[DamnYankee]

Most of the gov't officials are free loaders anyway. Why should we allow them control over national health when they have a hard time pouring piss out of a boot?

[David]

Most of the gov't officials are free loaders anyway. Why should we allow them control over national health when they have a hard time pouring piss out of a boot?

Agreeing with the man. How do a bunch of bums that got a job simply by talking well and thus getting the most sheeple to raise their hands for them get free everything and get payed good while the rest of the citizenry suffers?

Why dose the common man beg for universal health while our govenment officials get truly socialized public health?

[Troubadour]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sublimating View Post
I have always believed that this country is great because of both Liberals and Conservatives.

Troubadour "Nope. Just liberals."

Wow Trubadour...thats a pretty hard core stand to take.

It's not a "stand." It's a summation of American history.

This sort of elitism is the reason no one likes a Liberal.

This sort of petulant reaction is the reason conservatives are a despised laughingstock among everyone but themselves. No one else is offended by competent leadership; no one else regards intelligence, decency, and problem-solving skills as character flaws. Everyone else is fed up to their ears with loony conservatives and their never-ending assembly line of disaster and disgrace.

[NoMoreDems-Reps]

Do you think that America would be better off without Liberals or Without Conservatives?

I have always believed that this country is great because of both Liberals and Conservatives.

To say that either group brings nothing to the table is to discount the contributions of half the nations citizens.

Can you see past your political bias to admit that this country is great, not because of Liberals or Conservatives, but because of Americans?

Your thoughts and opinions appreciated.

America would be better if it didn't have such Polarized voters that can only see in
Red or Blue! It would be better if Americans would not pledge blind allegiance to parties
that have proven themselves (many times over) to be corrupt!
It would be better if people would think for themselves and not limit themselves to
such a "NARROW" mind set such as Liberal or Conservative !!!!!

And yes America is great because we derived our country from the good qualities of
other great nations(through out history), and had "SMART" people build the foundations
of America.

As for Modern day Americans I don't know! Yes there are still great Americans, but as a
whole "Americans" have to take responsibility for the path that "WE" let our politicians
take America! We have to take responsibility for who we put in power ! And looking at the
current state America is in I say Americans have done a poor job !

The truth might hurt but it's still the truth !

[Osborn F. Enready]

Great post NoMoreDems-Reps.

Blind partisanship is a disservice to everyone, and the nation.
Willfull ignorance is also equally despicable, though many use that as their "fall-back".

[Deadshot]

America needs the "ying and yang" of Liberals vs. Conservatives. Each side has good ideas and each has bad ideas. The problem now is that we've had the Cons in charge of everything from 2000-2006 and they still hold the POTUS, yet they want to blame the Libs for everything under the sun.

Quite simply they had their chance, with near total control of the government, and it hasn't worked out. Time for the Pendulum to swing and for the other side to have a chance...

[Osborn F. Enready]

Deadshot said:
America needs the "ying and yang" of Liberals vs. Conservatives.

I couldn't disagree more.

Deadshot said:
Each side has good ideas and each has bad ideas. The problem now is that we've had the Cons in charge of everything from 2000-2006 and they still hold the POTUS, yet they want to blame the Libs for everything under the sun.

I again, totally disagree.

Deadshot said:
Quite simply they had their chance, with near total control of the government, and it hasn't worked out. Time for the Pendulum to swing and for the other side to have a chance...

That may be admirable if both sides deserved another chance, and was made up of people who not only KNEW, but RESPECTED their limited role in government. As it is however, I see both major political parties as entirely corrupt with very few exceptions, less than a handful, so neither deserves anything except a TRIAL and to be HELD ACCOUNTABLE for their actions which have been a DISSERVICE to the nation, its people and their intrests.

[PostmodernProphet]

Without Liberals, there would be no America in the first place.

trying to draw a parallel between 21st Century American liberalism and the founding fathers is patently absurd......

[PostmodernProphet]

our senators and congressmen are some of the laziest good for nothings around yet we allow them free helath care and pensions ............. my employer picks up 70% of my premium for gold covernage.

I'm sorry, Potter, but I fail to see anything to distinguish you from them.....why should you get 70% and they not receive it....let me phrase it differently.....why should either you or they get free health care?.....until the Bush tax changes went into effect I not only had to pay all my own insurance, but I couldn't even deduct it from my taxes......you on the other hand got it tax free for decades.....

[potter]

I'm sorry, Potter, but I fail to see anything to distinguish you from them.....why should you get 70% and they not receive it....let me phrase it differently.....why should either you or they get free health care?.....until the Bush tax changes went into effect I not only had to pay all my own insurance, but I couldn't even deduct it from my taxes......you on the other hand got it tax free for decades.....


My employee is paying mine and US taxpayers are paying theirs? And I do indeed pay taxes on this as compensation.

And why couldn't you deduct it? I can't deduct it either if it's not over that 7.5% threshold.

[PostmodernProphet]

My employee is paying mine and US taxpayers are paying theirs? And I do indeed pay taxes on this as compensation.

And why couldn't you deduct it? I can't deduct it either if it's not over that 7.5% threshold.

your employer is paying yours and their employer (taxpayers) are paying theirs....

and don't tell me that your W2 includes the extra $8k that your employer pays for your insurance as income for you to pay taxes on...

I couldn't deduct it, even though I paid it because the law didn't allow self employed people to deduct their insurance premiums.....you couldn't deduct what you didn't pay because you didn't pay it......

[David]

America needs the "ying and yang" of Liberals vs. Conservatives.

They're the same thing! The only difference is a liberal spends and a conservative saves.

What we need is the 'Ying and Yang' of socialism and capitalism.

[potter]

your employer is paying yours and their employer (taxpayers) are paying theirs....

and don't tell me that your W2 includes the extra $8k that your employer pays for your insurance as income for you to pay taxes on...

I couldn't deduct it, even though I paid it because the law didn't allow self employed people to deduct their insurance premiums.....you couldn't deduct what you didn't pay because you didn't pay it......


The fact that the 8,000 is pre tax is not the issue.

The issue is the senate getting the taxpayer paid benefit that many of those same taxpayers cannot afford.

Probably wouldn't bother me so much if they weren't a bunch of lazy good for nothing snakes.....