Paul delegates take Austin's county convention

[Buck Laser]

While various members here have been pontificating about the Texas democratic method of selecting delegates, Ron Paul supporters successfully wrested control of the Travis Country republican convention away from the McCain supporters, even though McCain won the primaries pretty handily. The Paul people elected the convention chairman 110-94, which suggests that there weren't all that many people at the republican caucus/convention. But the Paul delegates intend to contest the Texas Republican platform, including its anti-abortion plank and its call for a constitutional amendment defining marriage as between one woman and one man.

Just because some people here have gotten themselves into a high dudgeon over what they view as dirty tricks by Obama supporters in winning the majority of delegates to the democratic convention, I'm kind of enjoying this little coup by the Paul supporters.

[Tessy]

Right On Man!


BTW, have you noticed that the Ron Paul section here has more threads and more
posts than any other... even though his campaign has been silent for a few months?

Nice!

[Buck Laser]

Right On Man!


BTW, have you noticed that the Ron Paul section here has more threads and more
posts than any other... even though his campaign has been silent for a few months?

Nice!

I think that's because Paul is mostly an internet phenomenon. It's been clear through survey after survey that he's gained little attention or recognition from the general public. Libertarianism is attractive as an intellectual exercise, but most people want and expect more from government than libertarians are actually willing to concede.

[Alonzo]

RON PAUL!!!! RON PAUL!!!!!!!!!!!!! WE'RE GOING TO WIN!!!!! I TOLD YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!! VICTORY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sorry, I'm just imagining what's going on at the Ron Paul forum.

[Elrathin]

Zo, you may think that some Obama supporters are whacky, but there are Ron Paul supporters that still think he's going to win the Republican Nomination :)

[Tessy]

I think that's because Paul is mostly an internet phenomenon. It's been clear
through survey after survey that he's gained little attention or recognition from
the general public. Libertarianism is attractive as an intellectual exercise, but
most people want and expect more from government than libertarians are
actually willing to concede.

I keep hearing that. I wish someone would explain what it means. I declare
it completely and utterly meaningless until I am presented with a rational
definition.

It's a bit like saying someone is only popular with car drivers, or TV watchers.
Who isn't those things? That he is popular among perhaps the most diverse
demographic in the USA second maybe only to "television watchers" is not
a very discrete categorization.

Though the media did their best to hide the fact, paul pretty much won every
poll early on and the vast majority of them were conducted by telephone. Does
that mean he's a "Phone phenomenon"? I think it is a better indication of just
how diverse and far reaching the national election fraud syndicate is. ;)

Did you see the numbers of people complaining about fraud who additionally
posted individual accounts of their experiences with it all across the nation?
The numbers were phenomenal indeed! In less than 3 hours scouring only
one site I was able to gather more than 50 individual and separate accounts
totaling five hours of recorded testimony probably 80% of which was worthy
of litigation.

There was every indication that those figures and tallies would scale linearly
had I decided to increase the amount of time spent - and for a greater iteration
cycle than one might at first conclude.

[Buck Laser]

I keep hearing that. I wish someone would explain what it means. I declare
it completely and utterly meaningless until I am presented with a rational
definition.

It's a bit like saying someone is only popular with car drivers, or TV watchers.
Who isn't those things? That he is popular among perhaps the most diverse
demographic in the USA second maybe only to "television watchers" is not
a very discrete categorization.

Though the media did their best to hide the fact, paul pretty much won every
poll early on and the vast majority of them were conducted by telephone. Does
that mean he's a "Phone phenomenon"? I think it is a better indication of just
how diverse and far reaching the national election fraud syndicate is. ;)

Did you see the numbers of people complaining about fraud who additionally
posted individual accounts of their experiences with it all across the nation?
The numbers were phenomenal indeed! In less than 3 hours scouring only
one site I was able to gather more than 50 individual and separate accounts
totaling five hours of recorded testimony probably 80% of which was worthy
of litigation.

There was every indication that those figures and tallies would scale linearly
had I decided to increase the amount of time spent - and for a greater iteration
cycle than one might at first conclude.
I might have substituted "political junkies" for "internet phenomenon" with about the same accuracy, Tessy. I'm basing this on the results of professional polls as compared with internet polls.

Face it--most of the people who frequent DF and most other political forums are political junkies. Nearly all of them have strongly-held political opinions. Paul's politics deviate from "normal" politics pretty significantly, and tend to attract people who are extremely dissatisfied. If Paul were actually popular with large numbers of voters, that popularity would have been reflected in many more votes in the primaries. I've stated my differences with libertarians in so many occasions that I see no reason to go through it again.

[micfranklin]

When you have media like CNN, FOX, MSNBC, etc that only shows the people the candidates they think we want to see, of course all that's gonna happen is him being an internet thing.

[Buck Laser]

When you have media like CNN, FOX, MSNBC, etc that only shows the people the candidates they think we want to see, of course all that's gonna happen is him being an internet thing.
Mic, I agree, but in a slightly different context. I had occasion to pass though a great many waiting rooms at a big clinic today, and in every one I saw, the TV was on one of the cable channels, running ENDLESS repeats of the Pastor Wright thing, and pulling up every two-bit pundit to pontificate on it. The media are obsessive about certain things--but I have no idea how they decide what ideas to pursue.

But I don't think all the media coverage in the world would have made Paul's candidacy much more attractive. I know a great many others on this forum feel differently, but I think focusing a spotlight on Paul would actually DIMINISH his appeal to many voters.

[Osborn F. Enready]

Buck said:
But I don't think all the media coverage in the world would have made Paul's candidacy much more attractive. I know a great many others on this forum feel differently, but I think focusing a spotlight on Paul would actually DIMINISH his appeal to many voters.

Only one way to find out.... how do we try it and prove it?!?

[Buck Laser]

Only one way to find out.... how do we try it and prove it?!?
Well, the "Paulville" experiment(s) sound like a way to test libertarianism in a reality context. I would certainly wish them the best of luck. I just wish I could let my own pessimism about utopian communities keep from clouding my judgment here.

[Truth_and_Power]

Well, the "Paulville" experiment(s) sound like a way to test libertarianism in a reality context. I would certainly wish them the best of luck. I just wish I could let my own pessimism about utopian communities keep from clouding my judgment here.

If they could get their federal tax dollars refunded for all the programs they don't believe are helpful, it might be a good experiment.

[Osborn F. Enready]

Buck said:
Well, the "Paulville" experiment(s) sound like a way to test libertarianism in a reality context. I would certainly wish them the best of luck. I just wish I could let my own pessimism about utopian communities keep from clouding my judgment here.

You are seeing a Libertarian experiment right now, its called the Free State Project, and its in New Hampshire.

http://www.freestateproject.org/

What is "Utopian" about individual responsibility and government respect for individual rights?

[micfranklin]

But I don't think all the media coverage in the world would have made Paul's candidacy much more attractive. I know a great many others on this forum feel differently, but I think focusing a spotlight on Paul would actually DIMINISH his appeal to many voters.

How so? I mean if they focused on him nearly as much as they did Giuliani or Romney, he would've done better in the primaries.

[Tessy]

You are seeing a Libertarian experiment right now, its called the Free State Project, and its in New Hampshire.

http://www.freestateproject.org/

What is "Utopian" about individual responsibility and government respect for individual rights?

Yep! Right on!

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On the media thing I think if Paul's full message ever got out in it's true
form people would be calling for firing squads left and right to deal with
the scum that have taken hold in D.C..

The same scum that runs the national election fraud syndicate! The same
scum that have fabianistically infiltrated our federal and local governments!
The same scum that set up the IRS, Federal Reserve "Corporate" bank! The
same scum who are holding 7 million Americans in jail for basically no reason
other than corporate revenue. The same scum that have created an illegal
shadow government and call it the CIA, NSA and other alphabet agencies!
The same scum who have positioned themselves over the US people as
dictators! The same scum that import the vast majority of harmful
unregulated street drugs under the cover of our military and through
programs like "The War On Drugs"! The same scum who have infiltrated
the department of education and use it to promote communism and to
condition the people to accept tyranny.

The thugs are embedded deep into the system and if Dr. Paul got elected
without first awakening the masses and cleaning out the scum he would be
shot. They (the scum) cannot and will not allow the United States to become
educated to the true founding principles it was based on. To do so would be
to relinquish their powerful hold over us and abandon their plans for world
government and eventual world domination.

The vast majority of the voting public in the USA are mindless followers of
popular opinion and rumor as presented by the corporate media owned and
operated by the same scum-bags I just mentioned above. They will follow
whatever the media tells them and the one's that don't will be thwarted by
the National Election Fraud Syndicate already fully established in every state.

[Mia]

The media marginalized him. The moderators in the debates marginalized him. Sheeple need to see candidates in prime time. Ron Paul can't get that. If I can convert 5 people in a week to Ron Paul just by showing them information on him, that's where I get the notion that if more people were exposed to him, the real him not the 'media spin him', he'd have a lot more 'mainstream' support.

One simple thing being corrected changes many minds. 'Ron Paul's an isolationist, Nazi Germany would have never been stopped with him as President'.

Not true.

That's just ONE. There are a lot of people who like some or most of his ideas, but are stuck on a myth that prevents them from getting on board.

I was one such person, and I must say the person who babbled RP in my ear for the past 2 years is a poor salesperson, lol.

The babbling did finally get me to do independent research and sell myself, but had he just shown me the information that dispelled the myths I believed sooner, I would be a full-fledged Registered Republican by now, running a campaign headquarters, perhaps even a delegate!

Anyway, if more people felt nudged to look at what I did, more people would be behind him.

SO, since the media won't do it, we have to. In our county, RP supporters did something similar to Austin.

This kind of action means something, I don't care what the naysayers think.

Sure, it's probably not going to end up in RP getting the nomination, but it's an idea that is getting across, catching on, gaining momentum,,,,,and that is important in and of itself.

And sorry, but what if McCain has a health problem or something else happens - the floor will open up again and you just never know.

Those who just give up - how stupid. Just pick the lesser of three evils AGAIN, what good does that do?

Vote for who you actually want, FIGHT to get votes for who you actually want. No matter the outcome, your voice was heard and you got more to join in.

Sign up now to get the information and tools to campaign:

http://www.ronpaul2008.com/

[Alonzo]

You are seeing a Libertarian experiment right now, its called the Free State Project, and its in New Hampshire.

http://www.freestateproject.org/

What is "Utopian" about individual responsibility and government respect for individual rights?

You ever been to New Hampshire? The free state project is a joke.

[Osborn F. Enready]

Alonzo said:
You ever been to New Hampshire?

Nope, not yet.

Alonzo said:
The free state project is a joke.

While some may see it that way, its a much more sound, logical and REALISTIC means of change than any other options I see right now.... and as "jokes" go, its far less a joke than being given an ultimatum to vote for one of three losers in two parties, when 70+ parties exist, and "calling it" a choice.

The FSP is doing quite well, and they have a lot of activism at all levels and growing.

Glad to see you dislike it though, I know I won't be bumping into you when I make it there.... ;)

[Mia]

...as "jokes" go, its far less a joke than being given an ultimatum to vote for one of three losers in two parties, when 70+ parties exist, and "calling it" a choice.

:thumbsup: