FP warning points

[AnnEsthesia]

So is FP moderated or not? If it is, then you need to admit that it is moderated and take away the description and just lock the threads that go there. If you bill it as unmoderated, then stop giving fucking points.

[AnnEsthesia]

I guess there are no answers? FP is unmoderated unless someone decides to moderate it?

[Scribbler1]

It's only been a half hour since your first post. I'm sure someone will answer. At least I hope so. I'm curious about this now.

[AnnEsthesia]

I know, but considering the number of active mods on and the speed with which they reply to other threads, I am just going to keep asking.

[Scribbler1]

Ask away. I'm hoping the answer is no. I like a good flame pit away from the main forum.

[Alonzo]

I'm not sure why you need to try to turn every minor thing into a public incident. You PMed me and I responded as soon as I saw it. It's kind of annoying especially given the fact that I always answer pm's as soon as I see them.

[ViolaLee]

Can we see a public answer? Lots of us would like to know.

[Phyxius]

What she said... :ponder:

[jafar00]

FP is unmoderated to a point. If things get out of hand, something gets done to deal with the problem.

All we can ask is that people don't use FP as a free for all abuse session that has the danger of spilling out into the rest of the forum.

Remember, we are all here to debate in a civil fashion and as adults. Remember, even if someone strongly disagrees with you or makes you angry, they still deserve your polite respect as do you.

[Cobra]

Then it isn't unmoderated so get rid of the line saying it is.

[Truth_and_Power]

Maybe you folks could just grow up a lil and it wouldn't be a problem..

[Cobra]

Misrepresenting is never a good thing.

[Truth_and_Power]

Misrepresenting is never a good thing.


Well it was unmoderated until people decided to push the envelope of immaturity.

[Cobra]

It's not been unmoderated as long as I've been here. Thread locking is moderation so is all the other stuff.

[Wndrtch]

Then it isn't unmoderated so get rid of the line saying it is.


I have a solution!!!

Why not make the FP, a "No-Holds-Barred" area, and sell tickets!

It could happen!

[AnnEsthesia]

I'm not sure why you need to try to turn every minor thing into a public incident. You PMed me and I responded as soon as I saw it. It's kind of annoying especially given the fact that I always answer pm's as soon as I see them.


Hmm... over generalization, much? Sorry if I publicly spoke about something that was done and was supposedly contrary to the rules. Perhaps a rule stating no one should publicly discuss moderator actions?

[Alonzo]

Then it isn't unmoderated so get rid of the line saying it is.


Cobra, a mistake was made as a post was reported and a mod didn't realize it was in FP. Warning points were given but they were removed.

The only moderation that goes on in FP is due to harassment and PM posting, and that's explicity stated in the rules.

On occasion we have locked threads, but overwhelmingly it's been because someone was getting hammered on and we're trying to stop it from getting worse, or prevent an explosion. But no one is being warned or having anything done to them unless it has actually crossed over into harassment.

[lily]

Perhaps a rule stating no one should publicly discuss moderator actions?



I think that's something that we might seriously start to discuss. It seems to work at other forums. When I was brought on board, I asked if we can have open discussion with the mods, instead of saying mods rule and their decisions are final. We tried to be different and being the forum reader that I am, I see other forums that never tried it give it a try........but maybe it's time we went back to no discussion about policy, mod action or forum on open forum and this can only be done by PM?

Thoughts?

[Alonzo]

Hmm... over generalization, much? Sorry if I publicly spoke about something that was done and was supposedly contrary to the rules.


Anne, you know I respond just as quickly, usually even quicker, through PM. Considering you needed me to do something, what benefit is there to starting a thread instead of PMing me? In fact, looking at the times, you pmed me after making the thread.

I just don't see the point in things like this. You need me to do something and a thread is made before a pm is even sent.

Perhaps a rule stating no one should publicly discuss moderator actions?

I'm not particularly supportive of that.

[nevadamedic]

Then it isn't unmoderated so get rid of the line saying it is.


I have a solution!!!

Why not make the FP, a "No-Holds-Barred" area, and sell tickets!

It could happen!


I agree, with the only rule being you cant post PM's. Who cares about the harassment, it is FP. It's better it happening in there then on the rest of the site.

[PatrickHenry]

This forum's rulez are the best of any board I have found and I scout a lot of 'em.

FP is a good Idea.

But anything can be abused. I approve of the way this place is presently managed.

[Alonzo]

Then it isn't unmoderated so get rid of the line saying it is.


I have a solution!!!

Why not make the FP, a "No-Holds-Barred" area, and sell tickets!

It could happen!


I agree, with the only rule being you cant post PM's. Who cares about the harassment, it is FP. It's better it happening in there then on the rest of the site.


That used to be the rules. The problem is that member did get harassed causing major site issues. That's why that harassment rule extends there, because it usually happened in FP.

[Pookie]

No one likes being harassed. One should not have to be picked apart for their opinion and pestered because another member doesn't agree with them.
That should apply in FP, too.
Purrs,
Pookie

[nevadamedic]

Then it isn't unmoderated so get rid of the line saying it is.


I have a solution!!!

Why not make the FP, a "No-Holds-Barred" area, and sell tickets!

It could happen!


I agree, with the only rule being you cant post PM's. Who cares about the harassment, it is FP. It's better it happening in there then on the rest of the site.


That used to be the rules. The problem is that member did get harassed causing major site issues. That's why that harassment rule extends there, because it usually happened in FP.


Then they should just ignore that user and not ruin it for the rest of us.

[Alonzo]

True nevada, but neither side ever seems to put the other on ignore, even after they're told to.

[lily]

No one likes being harassed. One should not have to be picked apart for their opinion and pestered because another member doesn't agree with them.
That should apply in FP, too.
Purrs,
Pookie



True........but if you're going into FP, you know what you are going in there for. It takes two to fight...........can't fight by yourself and there is no reason to spoil the good time that others come here to enjoy and that's debate. No one wants to read the little name calling and bickering, so we made FP.

[Osborn F. Enready]

Pookie said:
One should not have to be picked apart for their opinion and pestered because another member doesn't agree with them.

If a persons opinion is "built upon" or "founded on" non-fact, lies, or propaganda, people have a very good reason to pester and put forth argument why their "opinion" is ill founded, though they have a right to hold it.

I see many cases where people put forth an opinion, defend it, insist on having the last word, even though their opinion has been factually gutted and emaciated in the same thread.

I respect peoples right to "voice" their opinion. I don't respect people who put forth opinions that are obviously biased, and lack factual substance enough to base such opinion, its just another source of "propaganda".

FP can provide a nice proving ground for such cases if it can remain free of blatant and obvious abusive flaming that is stated to be unwelcome.

[Cobra]

I think that's something that we might seriously start to discuss. It seems to work at other forums. When I was brought on board, I asked if we can have open discussion with the mods, instead of saying mods rule and their decisions are final. We tried to be different and being the forum reader that I am, I see other forums that never tried it give it a try........but maybe it's time we went back to no discussion about policy, mod action or forum on open forum and this can only be done by PM?

Thoughts?

lol

better get ready to ban me then cuz that's one rule I ain't gona follow.

[Cobra]

The only moderation that goes on in FP is due to harassment and PM posting, and that's explicity stated in the rules.

On occasion we have locked threads, but overwhelmingly it's been because someone was getting hammered on and we're trying to stop it from getting worse, or prevent an explosion. But no one is being warned or having anything done to them unless it has actually crossed over into harassment.


So.

Technically you still moderate there so change the line saying you can continue without being moderated. It's a simple common sense thing to do.

[Pookie]

How about "slightly moderated?" Harassment and posting PMs shouldn't be tolerated on any of the boards, including FP.
Just an idea.
Purrs,
Pookie

[bishop]

Maybe you folks could just grow up a lil and it wouldn't be a problem..


i definitely second that.

you'd think that FP would be good enough, but apparently some need to push the limits even further. i personally have no complaint about the moderation here whatsoever, and am often surprised when i read about the complaints. some people are here for more than debating, which is a normal occurence/nuisance on any forum imo.

[Scribbler1]

Then it isn't unmoderated so get rid of the line saying it is.


Cobra, a mistake was made as a post was reported and a mod didn't realize it was in FP. Warning points were given but they were removed. A simple error, then. I can live with that, thanks.

Personally, I just think there should BE a board, away from the general public where people CAN, as someone said, "act like adults".
Adults get angry and sometimes tempers flare and insults fly. However, this is the Internet and people can call me any name they like as long as it stays out of the general boards. If swearing and name calling start to bother me I just shut the computer off and do something else for a while.

As long as we DO act properly in the main forum I don't see any problem.

Good explanation.

[Alonzo]

I agree scribbler. When vBulletin is actually up and running (I have no idea when at this point anymore) I'm thinking of seeing if I can have FP removed from the "today's posts" button. You will actually have to go to the main forum and select the FP section. That way FP will still be there, but it may help prevent those discussions from bleeding into the main forum, and people will have to make an entirely conscious decision to even go near them.