All the evil in the world is done by America!

[Nexi]

The West's support for military rule in Pakistan has made the country a seedbed of terrorism.

That's an article of interest by Pakistan's former Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto that I've read of late.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/story/0,,1856285,00.html

Basically, I agree with the author but would like to correct her. Firstly, it is not the "consequence of the west allowing Pakistani military regimes to suppress the democratic aspirations of the people of Pakistan" that has established the link between Pakistan and global terrorism. It was a resourceful plot of America to convert Pakistan from a "peaceful nation into a violent society of weapons, heroin addiction and a radicalized interpretation of Islam". These conditions allowed Americans to organize in Pakistan special training camps for terrorists of such extremist organizations like Hizb-ut-Takhrir, Islamic movement of Uzbekistan, Chechen militant network, etc. After their training is complete, they leave Pakistan to settle down in European countries where they work under direction of their masters from the CIA which always means acts of terrorism or something of the sort which is now done, for instance, to prejudice European countries against Iran. The latest event, which failed however, was simultaneous blowing up as many as 10 jets leaving Britain.

It's curious that Benazir Bhutto did not mention the part of America in converting Pakistan into a "seedbed of terrorism" this in her article, because it has been long known that the US sponsors these terrorist training camps in that country. All the evil in the world is done by America!

[PittsburghAfterDark]

Uh huh, thanks for the America sucks update.

We look forward to your 5 conspiracy laden posts and quick and complete disappearence when no one agrees with you.

EDIT: Just an FYI, I had to check this out of curiosity. Our poster is from Red China.

[dsanthony]

Is this zo using a pseudonym?

[BoogyMan]

Is this zo using a pseudonym?


A 'Zodonym?

[Postopidia]

:rolleyes::rolleyes:It seems to me that all the evil is being perptrated by people other than Americans. Granted America has somtimes supplied or ignored evildoers but they did so beliving that it was necesaary to defeat a larger more threating evil (eg. Supplying Osma to take out the Russians and supplying Saddam to counter the raddical Ayatollahs). Hindsight may be 20/20 but you got to get some glasses for your ass. :D:D

[PatrickHenry]

It's curious that Benazir Bhutto did not mention the part of America in converting Pakistan into a "seedbed of terrorism" this in her article, because it has been long known that the US sponsors these terrorist training camps in that country. All the evil in the world is done by America!
Well, I am no fan of Uncle Sam, but I think there was evil before America was created and I think it'll be around long after we're gone.

And I think it's wrong to attribute all evil to ANY nation. Evil has a spiritual source.

That said, I do think that the CIA is a major source of evil in this present time. They are well known to be the globe's largest drug running operation. DEA can't touch them because of "national security", so they get a free pass to run all the drugs they want. They are also torturing son of a bitches with no accountability for their crimes. I hope the ones who kidnapped and tortured Khalid El Masri get tried in absentia, kidnapped to Germany by "contractors" and spend some time in a German slammer for their crimes. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khalid_El-Masri

[jafar00]

I hope the ones who kidnapped and tortured Khalid El Masri get tried in absentia, kidnapped to Germany by "contractors" and spend some time in a German slammer for their crimes. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khalid_El-Masri


The problem there is that they would get much better treatment in Germany than that they accorded the poor unfortunate souls they kidnapped and had tortured.

[PatrickHenry]

I hope the ones who kidnapped and tortured Khalid El Masri get tried in absentia, kidnapped to Germany by "contractors" and spend some time in a German slammer for their crimes. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khalid_El-Masri


The problem there is that they would get much better treatment in Germany than that they accorded the poor unfortunate souls they kidnapped and had tortured.
That would still be something...something is better than nothin'...the rotters

[DavoT]

:rolleyes::rolleyes:It seems to me that all the evil is being perptrated by people other than Americans.

What about the bogus war on Iraq?

[preservanation]

America is not the problem, it is the solution.
History has demonstrated this.

[DavoT]

America is not the problem, it is the solution.
History has demonstrated this.


This thread is mainly concerned with ethics, not economics.
Bogus wars are not something to be proud of unless you're evil.

[namguy]

The West's support for military rule in Pakistan has made the country a seedbed of terrorism.

That's an article of interest by Pakistan's former Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto that I've read of late.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/story/0,,1856285,00.html

Basically, I agree with the author but would like to correct her. Firstly, it is not the "consequence of the west allowing Pakistani military regimes to suppress the democratic aspirations of the people of Pakistan" that has established the link between Pakistan and global terrorism. It was a resourceful plot of America to convert Pakistan from a "peaceful nation into a violent society of weapons, heroin addiction and a radicalized interpretation of Islam". These conditions allowed Americans to organize in Pakistan special training camps for terrorists of such extremist organizations like Hizb-ut-Takhrir, Islamic movement of Uzbekistan, Chechen militant network, etc. After their training is complete, they leave Pakistan to settle down in European countries where they work under direction of their masters from the CIA which always means acts of terrorism or something of the sort which is now done, for instance, to prejudice European countries against Iran. The latest event, which failed however, was simultaneous blowing up as many as 10 jets leaving Britain.

It's curious that Benazir Bhutto did not mention the part of America in converting Pakistan into a "seedbed of terrorism" this in her article, because it has been long known that the US sponsors these terrorist training camps in that country. All the evil in the world is done by America!



"The government, which was designed for the people, has got into the hands of bosses and their enployers, the special interests. An invisible empire has been set up above forms of Democracy." - Woodrow Wilson

[Kenzieman]

That said, I do think that the CIA is a major source of evil in this present time. They are well known to be the globe's largest drug running operation.

Where are you getting this from?[/quote]

[namguy]

:thumbsup:
That said, I do think that the CIA is a major source of evil in this present time. They are well known to be the globe's largest drug running operation.

Where are you getting this from?
[/quote]

No argument here:thumbsup: They've murdered thousands of people not withstanding.

[PatrickHenry]

That said, I do think that the CIA is a major source of evil in this present time. They are well known to be the globe's largest drug running operation.

Where are you getting this from?
It's good to quote by username, so we can reply.

Hell, half the time I forgot what I wrote, but this looked familiar.

Try Google cia drug running

You tell me which sources you find reliable.

The first documentary I ever saw on this was a Frontline titled, Guns, Drugs and the CIA in the year 1988.

Oh, yeah...here's the transcript: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/drugs/archive/gunsdrugscia.html

Or do you need it from the New York Times? Or maybe FOXNews?
'Cause I don't think you'll find it there...unworthy of comment from the elite media...

Makes you wonder about the media, huh?

[Cosmored]

To see what the US government is really up to, start reading articles from this site.
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/

Enter stuff like "Torture", or "Death squads" in this search engine.
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/htdig/search.html

Here is some more stuff.
http://www.thismodernworld.org/arc/1995/95-05-17-Guatemala.gif
http://www.geocities.com/~virtualtruth/guatemal.htm
http://www.globalpolicy.org/empire/history/2002/0413angola.htm
http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/42a/127.html
http://www.namebase.org/scott.html

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/WTI062405V.shtml
http://www.theunjustmedia.com/major_general_smedley_butler.htm
http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/CIAtimeline.html
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Blum/KillingHope_page.html
http://michaelparenti.org/Imperialism101.html
http://www.chomsky.info/articles/19860409.htm
http://www.antipasministries.com/html/file0000133.htm
http://www.chss.montclair.edu/english/furr/chomskyin1282.html
http://www.michaelparenti.org/yugoslavia.html
http://www.lobster-magazine.co.uk/articles/l30iran.htm


http://www.zmag.org/chomsky/sam/sam-contents.html
http://www.scuttlebuttsmallchow.com/racket.html

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article13622.htm

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3117338213439292490&pl=true
http://video.google.es/videoplay?docid=1130731388742388243
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article11635.htm
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7333556703536657423
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8797525979024486145
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4827358238697503
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3453261789658676035&q=oil
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8085945499556832271
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article8171.htm
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article14295.htm
http://www.jonhs.net/911/911_american_empire.htm
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=20061222&articleId=4245
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article13416.htm

[preservanation]

Enter stuff like "Torture", or "Death squads" in this search engine.Thanks, I'll get right on that.
I'm sure it would render some very innnnnteresting results.
What is this thing they call the i-n-t-e-r-n-e-t?

[Keith Hamburger]

America is not the problem, it is the solution.
History has demonstrated this.


I think you should back this up. What has America "solved"? Ever?

What problem was solved in the Mexican American war, other than a blatant land grab?

The Spanish-American war? What was solved? The only thing I can see from that is that corporate industrialists were able to prove "their place in the world" by taking down a has-been superpower, did that really create a solution to anything or did it result in the world police status we have today? Or, do you feel becoming the world police is a solution in itself?

Did we succeed in WWI, the "War to End All Wars"? Or, have we merely been fighting continuing battles in that conflict ever since? Did the Treaty of Versailles, the creation of which was the entire reason the US got involved in a war that was mostly over by the time we arrived, "solve" anything? Or did it just lay the groundwork for Hitler, Stalin and Saddam? (for the reference to Saddam you have to understand that modern Iraq was a creation of WWI)

Where are the solutions?

Keith

[namguy]

America is not the problem, it is the solution.
History has demonstrated this.


I think you should back this up. What has America "solved"? Ever?

What problem was solved in the Mexican American war, other than a blatant land grab?

The Spanish-American war? What was solved? The only thing I can see from that is that corporate industrialists were able to prove "their place in the world" by taking down a has-been superpower, did that really create a solution to anything or did it result in the world police status we have today? Or, do you feel becoming the world police is a solution in itself?

Did we succeed in WWI, the "War to End All Wars"? Or, have we merely been fighting continuing battles in that conflict ever since? Did the Treaty of Versailles, the creation of which was the entire reason the US got involved in a war that was mostly over by the time we arrived, "solve" anything? Or did it just lay the groundwork for Hitler, Stalin and Saddam? (for the reference to Saddam you have to understand that modern Iraq was a creation of WWI)

Where are the solutions?

Keith



You Sir are exactly correct, and there are no solutions. War, after war, land grabs....brother you've summed it up....

[preservanation]

I truly feel sorry for those who don't see the good America has brought to the world and her citizens.
The list is so long and impressive, it can hardly be listed without violating forum rules.

[Keith Hamburger]

I truly feel sorry for those who don't see the good America has brought to the world and her citizens.
The list is so long and impressive, it can hardly be listed without violating forum rules.


There is a lot of good America has brought to the world.

Virtually all of it done by our citizens, not by our government. The good that has come from this country has come about from free individuals working for their own benefit and the benefit of others.

Virtually all of the bad that has come from America has come from our government and the corporate industrialists who have taken control of that government.

For us to continue to do good we should lead by example and reduce the restrictions and taxes that are preventing our citizens from continuing to do good. Almost everything our government does serves to interfere with that.

Keith

[namguy]

I truly feel sorry for those who don't see the good America has brought to the world and her citizens.
The list is so long and impressive, it can hardly be listed without violating forum rules.


Are you talking about this America. USA America, I guess you are. Well, let's see here. First we took all the land from 'The Native Americans, well we actually stold it, but who cares. Right? Then America decited to enslave the Black Peoples. Then, and skipping right along here, America decited they wanted CA & TX, so after hanging a job on 'Native Americans', we started on the Spanish Peoples, then America got into the Spanish American War...himm. Now along with the Black People we hate the Spanish also. Then came WWI, had no business being involved in that mess, where by the way my grandfather was POW in Austria, where he and other Americans with him survived on raw potato skins, yummy. Then because America refused too sale oil to the Japan, alsong with raw materials, totally refused them...bingo Pearl Harbor was destroyed. Oh, forgot about warring with the Phillipines, but the who cares. Then came along the little scrimish with Nam, lasted 10 years, ah, but that's all in the past.

Yes, America, Americans have indeed done the world favors and helpped many countries, I agree with you Sir/Ma'am, 100%. But America sure has stepped on a lot of people to get where we are, and now have a president that's just thrown all the good away. I'm tired of gettin on the phone and clicks as I talk due too those sneaky idiots in Washington.

I love this country, this land and it's people I just wish things wouldn't have gone they way they have...

[preservanation]

nameguy,
We are not perfect, but the positive influence we have had on the world and the blessed people of this nation, far outweighs the bad.
I was happy to see these words from you...Yes, America, Americans have indeed done the world favors and helpped many countries, I agree with you Sir/Ma'am, 100%.
I would have to disagree with the premise in the wording of this thread, and it seems you do too.
Other national and individual influences have been much more destructive than that of America and Americans...many come to mind.

[namguy]

nameguy,
We are not perfect, but the positive influence we have had on the world and the blessed people of this nation, far outweighs the bad.
I was happy to see these words from you...Yes, America, Americans have indeed done the world favors and helpped many countries, I agree with you Sir/Ma'am, 100%.
I would have to disagree with the premise in the wording of this thread, and it seems you do too.
Other national and individual influences have been much more destructive than that of America and Americans...many come to mind.


Ok.....

[preservanation]

nameguy,
We are not perfect, but the positive influence we have had on the world and the blessed people of this nation, far outweighs the bad.
I was happy to see these words from you...Yes, America, Americans have indeed done the world favors and helpped many countries, I agree with you Sir/Ma'am, 100%.
I would have to disagree with the premise in the wording of this thread, and it seems you do too.
Other national and individual influences have been much more destructive than that of America and Americans...many come to mind.


Ok.....
May your life be filled with love and joy.
Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays.

[namguy]

nameguy,
We are not perfect, but the positive influence we have had on the world and the blessed people of this nation, far outweighs the bad.
I was happy to see these words from you...Yes, America, Americans have indeed done the world favors and helpped many countries, I agree with you Sir/Ma'am, 100%.
I would have to disagree with the premise in the wording of this thread, and it seems you do too.
Other national and individual influences have been much more destructive than that of America and Americans...many come to mind.


Ok.....
May your life be filled with love and joy.
Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays.



And may the same bestoed upon you yours for many, many years too come....have a good one friend:thumbsup: