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Tessy
03-22-2008, 07:28 PM
Kurt Nimmo
March 21, 2008
It should come as no secret the Pentagon has an array of high-tech weapons, far ahead of their time, ready to deploy when the guys with scrambled eggs on their lapels deem necessary. One such control device — and all non-lethal weapons are control devices, submission devices, not necessarily murder devices — was recently featured on the PopSci website. Megan Miller writes: (http://www.popsci.com/military-aviation-space/article/2008-03/army’s-telepathic-ray-gun)

The U.S. Defense department has tested some spooky weapons, but those involving mind control and telepathic attack may be near the top of the list. A newly declassified 1998 document released under the U.S. Freedom of Information Act (download the pdf here (http://www.freedomfchs.com/usarmyrptonmicrowavefx.pdf)), describes potential weapons for crowd control, such as a microwave gun that could beam words directly into people’s ears, and an electromagnetic pulse that causes epilepsy-like seizures.

Some of this technology, on a far grander scale, is available to local cops. Back in 2005, the LA cops played around with a sonic device, capable of projecting sounds on targets a mile away. “There was nearly no distortion,” explains DefenseTech. (http://www.defensetech.org/archives/001741.html) “In fact, at one statute mile, we clearly listened to a Frank Sinatra record and could understand the words, hear the intonations and pitch, and even the background music! Other sounds, especially those in the higher frequency ranges like sirens and screams, were easily detected even over the noise from the 5 Freeway a short distance away.”

Now why would the police want to direct sound – more specifically, messages — at people a mile away? Stupid question. Why would the authorities in England want to install “talking cameras… in Southwark, Barking and Dagenham, in London, Reading, Harlow, Norwich, Ipswich, Plymouth, Gloucester, Derby, Northampton, Mansfield, Nottingham, Coventry, Sandwell, Wirral, Blackpool, Salford, South Tyneside and Darlington”?

Because it delivers that unique Winston Smith experience? In 1984, the telescreen watched 24/7 and even barked orders if the control freaks at their consoles far off thought it was well deserved, even necessary.

Back to PopSci:
The report also discusses a weapon that can heat a victim’s body internally, producing an artificial fever. It is unknown whether the fever-inducing technology was actually tested, but the report notes that the equipment needed “is available today” and that the resulting fever would keep a victim incapacitated for “any desired period consistent with safety.”

No doubt it “is available today,” as it was engineered decades ago, and probably ready to deploy at a moment’s notice.

Last month, a 60 Minutes reporter subjected himself to “a non-lethal weapon the Pentagon has developed,” write David Edwards and Chris Tackett for Raw Story. David Martin, acting as a corporate media guinea pig of sorts, subjected himself to the beam. “The gun is really an antenna which shoots out this very high-frequency radio beam that penetrates the skin to a depth of 1/64 of an inch, which is just deep enough to hit the nerves. And it creates this instantaneous sensation of heat which makes anyone who is hit with it try to get out of the way as fast as possible.”

CNN and the BBC reported this friendly little device — well, actually, large as it was mounted on a Humvee — back in January, 2007. “The weapon focuses non-lethal millimeter-wave radiation onto humans, raising their skin surface temperature to an uncomfortable 130 F. The goal is to make the targets drop any weapons and flee the scene. The device was apparently tested on two soldiers and a group of ten reporters, which makes me wonder how thoroughly this thing has been safety tested,” URSpider (http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/01/25/1330256) posted on the technogeek website, Slashdot.

It’s called the Active Denial System, ADS.
“A prototype Humvee-mounted ADS system could be sent to Iraq by the end of the year. A modified Stryker armored personnel carrier, equipped with a low-power version of the pain ray, a laser dazzler, and a sonic blaster, isn’t all that far behind, officials familiar with the program say,” DefenseTech noted in mid-2005. (http://www.defensetech.org/archives/001756.html)

Last December, the Arizona Daily Star reported the Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department was “looking to new ‘directed-energy’ technology from Tucson-based Raytheon Missile Systems as a possible addition to his department’s arsenal,” to be used against “unruly inmates,” it was explained. “The weapons, which deliver a beam of energy that feels akin to scalding hot water but leaves no injuries, have been developed for use by the Defense Department as a ‘force-protection’ tool for use on battlefields overseas.”

It will be tested here in America, as stipulated by international treaty.
“If we’re not willing to use it here against our fellow citizens, then we should not be willing to use it in a wartime situation,” Air Force Secretary Michael Wynne told the Associated Press. (http://www.wanttoknow.info/nonlethalweaponsnewsarticles) “(Because) if I hit somebody with a nonlethal weapon and they claim that it injured them in a way that was not intended, I think that I would be vilified in the world press.”

This willingness is predicated strictly on the need to conduct scientific experiments and field tests. It has nothing to do with rolling out the ADS Humvees on, say, food rioters or stubborn souls who refuse to turn in their guns when Black Water mercenaries come a’knocking after the next bird flu pandemic. It will be Active Denial of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights by a recently returned Iraq veteran festooned in tattoos and shaved head listening to death rock on his iPod.

In an interview with New Scientist, Steve Wright, a UK security expert at Leeds Metropolitan University, warned that such technologies could be used for torture. “The epileptic seizure-inducing device is grossly irresponsible and should never be fielded,” He said. “We know from similar artificially-induced fits that the victim subsequently remains ‘potentiated’ and may spontaneously suffer epileptic fits again after the initial attack.”

It’s amazing, this complete lack of understanding of why these technologies were developed, as the point is to induce epileptic seizures. I guess it’s better to kill people slowly with depleted uranium.

But the device that beams “words directly into people’s ears,” that is intriguing. Imagine messages beamed into the heads of troublemakers — you know anarchists and the Timothy McVeigh types, those damn 9/11 truthers who need to be tasered, beaten to a pulp, and locked in detention camps, or so insist a few prominent members of the corporate media, that is to say their handlers and bosses. Make that a voice inside the head that argues, doubts, and disputes 24/7 and you have a pretty effective weapon, or hands-on brainwashing device.

It will have to be tested here first, naturally, before it will be used in Iraq, the “war” that will never end, as our rulers promise. And that’s why we are reading about this technology now, to get us ready for pain compliance — and telepathic compliance eventually as well.

AlanC
03-22-2008, 07:51 PM
I agree. How dare the United States Military and police organizqations try to develope means of settling conflict without killing anyone. How barbaric!

Here's the thing, any and all weapons, including a rock, have the potential to be used properly or improperly.

I do find it ironic that one who claims to be against violence is objecting to the attempted development of non-leathal and non-injurious means to deal with criminals or armed enemies.

Osborn F. Enready
03-22-2008, 08:13 PM
Alan, I object to the use of non-lethal force like this because it lessens the decision to use force against non-threatening citizens, regardless if it is lethal force or not.

I am not saying it shouldn't be an option to use non-lethal force in proper situations, but I think this is an issue that needs serious usage debates between people with objections to it, and those pushing for it.

The most disturbing thing to me is the lack of official debate over these issues before policy is drawn up.

AlanC
03-22-2008, 08:18 PM
I don't object to that and I agree that often policy and training lag in the usage of anything like this.

Tasers being a prime example. But the point is still valid, it is not the weapon, or the development of such weapons as much as it is the use to which they are put.

Osborn F. Enready
03-22-2008, 08:57 PM
Agreed Alan. ;)

PatrickHenry
03-22-2008, 09:12 PM
I agree. How dare the United States Military and police organizqations try to develope means of settling conflict without killing anyone. How barbaric!
...
I beamed that message into your brain.

You didn't even feel it, huh? :thumbsup:

AlanC
03-22-2008, 09:13 PM
I agree. How dare the United States Military and police organizqations try to develope means of settling conflict without killing anyone. How barbaric!
...
I beamed that message into your brain.

You didn't even feel it, huh? :thumbsup:



Nope! Not a bit! Nice job. I wondered where I got that, sarcasm being so foreign to my natural makeup. :thumbsup:

Go Fish
03-23-2008, 12:12 AM
That sonic-blaster thing is pretty intense. When your entire skeleton starts to reverberate, you forget about that bottle of M/D 20-20 the protest organizers gave you.

Pookie
03-23-2008, 01:08 AM
I sure would go for non-lethal weapons, but I agree with Alan and Os. Any weapon, non-lethal or lethal, can always be misused.
Purrs,
Pookie

Tessy
03-23-2008, 03:18 AM
...it is not the weapon, or the development of such weapons as much as it is the use to which they are put.


Yup, I agree. Nice words! I do think that in the current climate in the US with the federal government seemingly posturing to implement martial law, suspend the constitution, and fill the concentration camps with political dissidents that these seem kinda spooky. I didn't write that article tho so don't attribute my positions to the words and innuendo contained in it. ;)

I think much much MUCH worse than these are the militarizing of our law enforcement agencies. How disgusting it is to see a cop in cammys and carrying a machine gun! Eight years ago I was living in a country where the cops were only just given permission to carry a sidearm. And still those sidearms are today holster-locked and trigger-locked so they can't even draw them. Riot squads are unarmed all together besides quarter-staffs and shields. No batons, no gas, no rubber bullets, no shotguns in patrol cars, etc. and all this in some of the largest cities in the world!

Even the protests in the USA and Canada most of the time the cops have to start the violence themselves in plain cloths to get an action justified and going. With such ridiculous and unethical maneuvers who knows what such weird-o weapons like mentioned above, will be used for and how they will be justified.

Buck Laser
03-23-2008, 03:20 AM
Seems to me that it's always been a maxim of warfare that a battlefield injury takes more people out of commission than a death does. The injured soldier requires the assistance of one or more corpsmen, while a dead soldier can be left alone for the time being, thus taking only the soldier out.

Go Fish
03-23-2008, 03:27 AM
...it is not the weapon, or the development of such weapons as much as it is the use to which they are put.


Yup, I agree. Nice words! I do think that in the current climate in the US with the federal government seemingly posturing to implement martial law, suspend the constitution, and fill the concentration camps with political dissidents that these seem kinda spooky. I didn't write that article tho so don't attribute my positions to the words and innuendo contained in it. ;)

I think much much MUCH worse than these are the militarizing of our law enforcement agencies. How disgusting it is to see a cop in cammys and carrying a machine gun! Eight years ago I was living in a country where the cops were only just given permission to carry a sidearm. And still those sidearms are today holster-locked and trigger-locked so they can't even draw them. Riot squads are unarmed all together besides quarter-staffs and shields. No batons, no gas, no rubber bullets, no shotguns in patrol cars, etc. and all this in some of the largest cities in the world!

Even the protests in the USA and Canada most of the time the cops have to start the violence themselves in plain cloths to get an action justified and going. With such ridiculous and unethical maneuvers who knows what such weird-o weapons like mentioned above, will be used for and how they will be justified.

What's so disgusting about it when they are routinely out-gunned by the dope lords?
I fully support having superior firepower in the hands of law enforcement. Did you feel safe over there knowing that the cops had show-guns on their hips?

AlanC
03-23-2008, 05:17 AM
Seems to me that it's always been a maxim of warfare that a battlefield injury takes more people out of commission than a death does. The injured soldier requires the assistance of one or more corpsmen, while a dead soldier can be left alone for the time being, thus taking only the soldier out.


It was until Korea where we ran into an enemy that didn't care about its wounded because they had more people than we had bullets. That changed everyone's thinking as they found they could no longer count on that maxim.

Tessy
03-28-2008, 04:42 AM
What's so disgusting about it when they are routinely out-gunned by the dope lords?
I fully support having superior firepower in the hands of law enforcement. Did you feel safe over there knowing that the cops had show-guns on their hips?


Maybe... I mean if it were going to be used only for tat and if we ourselves weren't the ones assisting growers and buying the drugs (talking about government officials). But all indications seem to be that it's for use on US citizens in crowd control situations. You saw the rave bust video.. and there's others MANY others, like it too. If it was DEA off in the boonies dealing with smugglers it wouldn't be disgusting to me.