Do you believe in fairy tales?

[Easy90]

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[Tessy]

That would be funny except there are no terrorists in Iraq.

[Easy90]

That would be funny except there are no terrorists in Iraq.


Really? Maybe you define the word "differently." Ya think? Cause, somebody is sure making a lot of mass graves over there...and it's not our soldiers.

[Tessy]

Yeah, you're definition is whack. A terrorist is a person a group aiming at the demoralization of a government by terror. Where terror is violence or threats of violence used for intimidation or coercion. Mass graves are the result of a war crime to be sure but usually have to do with ethnicity or political alliance and little or nothing to do with terror. The terroristic qualities of mass killings are usually not the motivations for them and if any (terror) comes about it's a side affect of the initial act so to speak. The USA classically defines terrorists with the above description but where the demoralization is aimed at the US government. Way way too many people are defining acts of war and ethically questionable acts of war as terrorism these days. Most of the crap happening in Iraq and for sure for the first 2 or 3 years we were there were nothing to do terrorism. Tho there were a few US allied intelligence teams carrying out terror attacks in civilian markets and such - but that's us... Almost no native terrorists in Iraq.

[underdawg]

Seems to me that a lot of people believed in the fairy tales that the president and his administration read to us about Iraq having weapons of mass destruction and that they were tied to 9-11.

Personally, I want our country to do the right thing and stop occupying a country that we have absolutely no right to be ruling over in the first place. I never bought into the fear of terrorism. What caused 9-11 was no so much terrorism as it was mass government incompetence. NORAD just happened to be conducting a training exercize that day and was not watching our skies. Bush was given memos about possible terrorist attacks yet he was too busy taking vacations and reading My Pet Goat.

Personally, I feel that Bush irritates the rest of the world as much as he irritates me. I don't think we can go much lower than we have with this administration. You never really know what you are going to get when you elect a president, or what course of action is best to take, but so far Bush has done everything wrong. He bankrupted the country, led us into a war that we didn't need to fight, ruined our reputation around the world, and left us in worse shape than when he first took office. The good thing about Obama is that he appears to be intelligent and seems to be able to think for himself.

[nevadamedic]

That would be funny except there are no terrorists in Iraq.


Actually AQ is and has been in Iraq.

[Trish]

That would be funny except there are no terrorists in Iraq.


Really? Maybe you define the word "differently." Ya think? Cause, somebody is sure making a lot of mass graves over there...and it's not our soldiers.


Apparently, Tessy uses a much different dictionary than most of us. Her definitions are definitely "odd." :lmao:

[Scribbler1]

That would be funny except there are no terrorists in Iraq.


Actually AQ is and has been in Iraq.
From what I've read it seems the Sunnis have AQ fairly marginalized. The bulk of the fighting is Iraqi on Iraqi apparently because they hate each other. And it doesn't seem like terrorism, mainly because, as its name implies, terrorism is supposed to make use of fear, which doesn't require mass killings. Just enough to scare people into capitulation.
9/11 was clearly a terrorist hit, designed to instill fear in the whole country. And it worked. Factional fighting and domestic genocide is not terrorism.
I realize the President likes to use the terms interchangeably, but that's for political purposes. They aren't the same.

Fighting to overthrow a government is an INSURGENCY, and that is an Iraqi internal issue, not ours. They do the same thing in Africa (insurgency AND ethnic cleansing), and we don't seem to be too bothered by that.

[Buck Laser]

Don't you conservatives remember the first fairy tale--that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction? Oh, we heard that one every day, and every neo-con bloviated about how he was gonna bomb us one fine day. Then we went there and there weren't any WMDs. It was so bare that Bush had to do a little satire, looking under his desk for the missing WMDs. Meanwhile, more than 600,000 Iraqis died, and we've lost 4000 soldiers For what?

Well Al Qaeda is now in Iraq. They weren't there before Bush sent our troops in. Talk about yer fairy tales...:blah:

[Easy90]

"Meanwhile, more than 600,000 Iraqis died" (BL)

Nope! Sorry...that's untrue.

[PatrickHenry]

... NORAD just happened to be conducting a training exercize that day and was not watching our skies....
So few recognize this fact.

My question...how did "AlQaeda" know that was happening..and how to pick the perfect day for their crime?

[Buck Laser]

"Meanwhile, more than 600,000 Iraqis died" (BL)

Nope! Sorry...that's untrue.

You can't prove it isn't. Most who've studied it put the toll even higher.

[apdst]

Meanwhile, more than 600,000 Iraqis died

That's another fairy tale. Another fairy tale is the depleted uranium hypola. Another Liberal fairy tales is that all our troops are guilty of a crime. The list of Liberal fairy tales is longer than The Brother's Grimm.

[Easy90]

"Meanwhile, more than 600,000 Iraqis died" (BL)

Nope! Sorry...that's untrue.

You can't prove it isn't. Most who've studied it put the toll even higher.


Right...so just make up a number and throw it out there..and when someone says "bullshit!" you respond by saying..."you can't prove it isn't (true)" LOL! Listen pal, just because Michael Moore says it is...is proof enough that it's a lie. Numbers like that are for consumption by people who can't count.

[Buck Laser]

"Meanwhile, more than 600,000 Iraqis died" (BL)

Nope! Sorry...that's untrue.

You can't prove it isn't. Most who've studied it put the toll even higher.


Right...so just make up a number and throw it out there..and when someone says "bullshit!" you respond by saying..."you can't prove it isn't (true)" LOL! Listen pal, just because Michael Moore says it is...is proof enough that it's a lie. Numbers like that are for consumption by people who can't count.

Easy, I know you don't like the Lancet study, or don't like to admit its existence, but there's been growing evidence ever since it was released that it's closer to being accurate than the administration's propaganda. But even if only 300,000 Iraqis have been killed since we began an undeclared war against them, it's too God damned many!

By the way, who said anything about Michael Moore, dittohead?

[apdst]

Most who've studied it put the toll even higher.

Most who've studied it have an agenda, too.

Do the math, a 600,000 person death toll doesn't add up. A higher number sure as hell doesn't.

[Buck Laser]

Most who've studied it put the toll even higher.

Most who've studied it have an agenda, too.

Do the math, a 600,000 person death toll doesn't add up. A higher number sure as hell doesn't.

How so?

[apdst]

How so?

How so? I'll tell you how so. It's so, because for there to have been six hundred thousand people killed, in Iraq, since the American invasion, there would have to have been 328 deaths, per day. That just ain't happened. The Liberal controled media would have surely reported it.

[ViolaLee]

Why would we believe the paranoid, super cynical, negative predictions of the conservates and Republicans about what will happen in Iraq when we leave?

They were completely and utterly wrong about what would happen when we invaded.

They can't be trusted to predict anything. They have no credibility whatsoever.

[Buck Laser]

How so?

How so? I'll tell you how so. It's so, because for there to have been six hundred thousand people killed, in Iraq, since the American invasion, there would have to have been 328 deaths, per day. That just ain't happened. The Liberal controled media would have surely reported it.

Liberal controlled or not, the media don't know what's happening in Iraq, and neither do you.

[apdst]

Liberal controlled or not, the media don't know what's happening in Iraq, and neither do you.

And you do? You know more than the rest of us? Please, enlighten us.

[Tessy]

I don't understand why there are people here that think it's useful or fun to pick fights for no other reason than to fight.

[Go Fish]

I don't understand why there are people here who won't fight for anything.

[Tessy]

Sometimes looking in the mirror can answer many questions!

[4Reaganomics]

I don't get it. All Fish does is fight for what he believes in. He fought to defend the country and defeat communism for over 20 years or something like that

your post is uninformed at best

[Elrathin]

I don't understand why there are people here who won't fight for anything.


I don't understand why there are people here making judgment calls on people they don't even know on whether they have fought, or what not.

[Elrathin]

I don't get it. All Fish does is fight for what he believes in. He fought to defend the country and defeat communism for over 20 years or something like that

your post is uninformed at best


4R let me ask you a question, do you see a soldier dying more honorable than a police officer dying? I don't. Just because someone didn't join the military doesn't mean they don't fight every day. There are every day heroes that aren't military that die each and every day. That doesn't make their sacrifice any less because they didn't join the military. IMO ANYONE that dies for a public service or to help someone is just as heroic as someone that joined the military and died.l

[4Reaganomics]

El, where the hell did that come from?

I was simply stating that fish fights for what he believes in in response to Tessy.

I respect many different types of fighting for this country, and do not hold one superior to another.

I want to make an impact on economic policy and perhaps educating university students on microeconomics, macroeconomics, International Trade, Industrial Organization, etc. so that they too can work towards changing the world.

Someone else may work towards keeping the streets safe, or preventing fires from burning down homes, these are all ways to fight for the country and help it progress.

[Elrathin]

I was simply stating that fish fights for what he believes in in response to Tessy.


Do you know what Tessy does for a living? Do you know what Tessy has done as a person? do you know what Tessy has fought for?

My point? don't make assumptions on what someone has done or has not done is all.

[4Reaganomics]

My point

don't tell someone they don't fight for their country when they do

regardless of what you do

[Elrathin]

My point

don't tell someone they don't fight for their country when they do

regardless of what you do


Yep I can't argue against that, I can only argue against the comments that were said afterwards.

I agree with you full on that.

[Tessy]

I was simply stating that fish fights for what he believes in in response to Tessy.


Do you know what Tessy does for a living? Do you know what Tessy has done as a person? do you know what Tessy has fought for?

My point? don't make assumptions on what someone has done or has not done is all.


Yes thank you! And to answer your question: No, absolutely not! He doesn't know a thing about me! Not my name, not my rank, not even my current job. He just talks out his ass! There are a few people that have done that on this site. They even went as far as adding those comments to rep calling me a "fake soldier".

All I said here was "I don't understand why there are people here that think it's useful or fun to pick fights for no other reason than to fight." OBVIOUSLY meaning why was he picking a fight with the person he was replying to.

But I didn't expect anything different from them. Someone who is so dumb and gullible as to believe the TV News without question obviously isn't going to have enough powers of reasoning to figure much of anything out.

I was talking about this exchange (but Go Fish knew that without a doubt):

Liberal controlled or not, the media don't know what's happening in Iraq, and neither do you.

And you do? You know more than the rest of us? Please, enlighten us.

[Tessy]

My point

don't tell someone they don't fight for their country when they do

regardless of what you do


If you're referring to me you got that backwards! It was Go Fish that said that to me! I was wondering why the hell the little turd can't be in a thread without starting fights with anyone he doesn't agree with. That's both Go Fish and apdst btw...