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lily
03-19-2008, 04:08 AM
Totally out of touch with reality. (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23695230/)

Bush remains upbeat on the economy
Delivers optimistic, but sometimes contradictory, message about future


updated 4:07 p.m. ET, Tues., March. 18, 2008
WASHINGTON - President Bush traveled a fair distance from Friday to Monday,
and not just to New York and back to the White House.

One day, he warned the economy could land "in a ditch" if the government
engaged in big bailout-type help for people losing their homes because they
gambled, unwisely or unknowingly, on the now-collapsed subprime mortgage
market.

On the other, he endorsed the Federal Reserve's move to provide $30 billion
in backing for the rescue of one of Wall Street's largest investment banks,
needed because Bear Stearns Cos. risked too much in that very sector.



Meanwhile, throughout the economy's recent turbulent times — lost jobs,
sky-high gasoline prices, plunging home values, a free-falling dollar,
shaken consumer confidence, a growth slowdown and possibly even a
recession — Bush has projected an air of unwavering optimism, even
joviality.

He is the nation's biggest economic cheerleader at a time of deep
uncertainty.

"The United States is on top of the situation," he declared Monday.

It all has some people shaking their heads. Is there a disconnect here? Does
the president get how this might feel to the little guy? Is there a
different standard for the big financial community and the strapped
homeowner facing foreclosure?

This sort of question dominated presidential spokeswoman Dana Perino's
briefings Monday.

Absolutely, the president gets it, she said.

Perino listed steps the administration has been taking to provide relief for
homeowners in trouble, such as brokering deals with the mortgage industry
for a five-year rate freeze and a 30-day foreclosure pause. She said "help
is on the way" in the form of tax rebate checks in May that are part of a
$168 billion stimulus package.

She also insisted that the Fed's decision, backed by Bush, to support the
purchase of troubled Bear Stearns is a different matter. Bush has rejected
bailouts because he says they encourage more people to make poor decisions.
But Perino said the broader financial market could follow a company such as
Bear Stearns into ruin, causing a ripple effect that demanded bold
preventive action.

"A major market disruption would have very damaging consequences and be very
painful for everybody, from the small-business owner to the homeowner,"
Perino said.

In any case, the Fed action on Bear Stearns' behalf doesn't amount to a
bailout, she said, because the company's shareholders "are taking large and
significant losses in this transaction."

Policy arguments aside, when it comes to presidents and crises, particularly
economic ones, perceptions are key.

Elrathin
03-19-2008, 04:09 AM
How can a person remain upbeat about the economy yet have to implement measures he feels is because the economy is going sour.

ViolaLee
03-19-2008, 05:06 AM
He's a joke. A fool. An embarressment.

Elrathin
03-19-2008, 05:32 AM
Bush is the weakest link and since he is our president, they means our country is represented by the weakest link. Makes you feel secure doesn't it.

It's one thing to stand by your values, and it's another to stand by your values in the face of every fact that tells you that you are stupid.

A man can stand against the hurricane on his own with his ego, but in the end his ego that tells him he can stand against the hurricane is quickly replaced by the fact the hurricane shows him he is fucked.

ECW
03-19-2008, 05:49 AM
Bush sounds a lot like Herbert Hoover who saved Europe after WW1 with his economic plan but couldn't save his own ass after the stock market crash. The New York Times called Bush out on his own stupidity:

Mr. Bush boasted about 52 consecutive months of job growth during his presidency. What matters is the magnitude of growth, not ticks on a calendar. The economic expansion under Mr. Bush — which it is safe to assume is now over — produced job growth of 4.2 percent. That is the worst performance over a business cycle since the government started keeping track in 1945. […]

Mr. Bush was wrong to say wages are rising. On Friday morning, the day he spoke, the government reported that wages failed to outpace inflation in February, for the fifth straight month. Productivity growth has also weakened markedly in the past two years, a harbinger of a lower overall standard of living for Americans.

~link~ (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/16/opinion/16sun1.html?_r=2&ref=opinion&oref=slogin&oref=slogin)

Every time that this moron at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue has the opportunity to make a choice between the people and the monied interests to help out, the monied interests win out. Every time. Without exception.

brien
03-19-2008, 07:47 PM
It is almost as sad as his comment that he didn't know gasoline was $4.00 a gallon and over $100 a barrel for the oil to produce it. But it's worse. Even a school child knows the dollar is in the dumps and the price of oil is driving the cost of everything up for the American consumer.

potter
03-19-2008, 08:49 PM
Of course Bush is pleased with the economy and progress in Iraq....didn't you know ignorance is bliss?

Grizz
03-19-2008, 09:09 PM
Given that Bush refuses to read any normal newspapers and fires anyone who brings him negative news, it's small wonder he's still in his bubble.

Scribbler1
03-19-2008, 10:47 PM
What do you EXPECT him to say? This affects his "legacy" so you can be damned sure he knows about it. That is not to say I think he knows any more about economics than me (which is just above zero), but I think he would be concerned as to how he looks when he leaves office.

I'm sure some people would prefer he runs around in circles before the cameras in the Oval Office yelling "We're doomed...DOOOOMED!", but that would be unproductive and I don't think ANY president would lay it ALL out.

I still think very little of the man, his intelligence and his policies, but I don't think this is out of the ordinary. The situation is, of course, but not the boilerplate rhetoric he speaks.

4Reaganomics
03-19-2008, 11:01 PM
Wait until high taxes and protectionism.

That is always a formula for economic success.

*shrugs shoulders*

penmyst
03-19-2008, 11:31 PM
The drive-by media been harping on how bad the economy is ever since Bush entered office. All through the record growth and amidst a country awash in money.

Now, recently as the subprime loan crisis (more gubmint chickens coming home to roost) has finally caused some problems for this economy, we can finally say those drive-bys were right yeah?

Are there any adults remaining on the left any longer? /rolls eyes

The only mistake Bush is making on this economy thing is that he isn't totally on board with the only policy that has, and will, ever work when it comes to gubmint management of the economy: LAISSEZ-FAIRE!!

4Reaganomics
03-19-2008, 11:33 PM
and the massive government spending and federal budget

PatrickHenry
03-20-2008, 01:06 AM
The drive-by media been harping on how bad the economy is ever since Bush entered office. All through the record growth and amidst a country awash in money.
Care to substantiate this? I don't think you can.

Now, recently as the subprime loan crisis (more gubmint chickens coming home to roost) has finally caused some problems for this economy, we can finally say those drive-bys were right yeah? Do you mean a failure to regulate lending? Yes, there should have been better oversight by the US financial whizzes.

Are there any adults remaining on the left any longer? /rolls eyesWhat does this mean other than a conservative crow from atop the dunghill of the economic crisis?

The only mistake Bush is making on this economy thing is that he isn't totally on board with the only policy that has, and will, ever work when it comes to gubmint management of the economy: LAISSEZ-FAIRE!!
I am in favor of allowing the market to work, too.

When banks get in trouble, they should be allowed to founder. This will teach the industry valuable lessons. Namely that their chestnuts will not be saved by official policies.

Fractional reserve banking needs vigilant oversight or money lent poorly can affect the FDIC...better known as the US Taxpayer...

4Reaganomics
03-20-2008, 02:15 AM
if banks should be allowed to faulter then humans should be allowed to too right?

I'd prefer to invest my own money for retirement and not pay this social security tax. Are you in favor of allowing me to keep my money?

PatrickHenry
03-20-2008, 02:37 AM
if banks should be allowed to faulter then humans should be allowed to too right?

I'd prefer to invest my own money for retirement and not pay this social security tax. Are you in favor of allowing me to keep my money?
Certainly!

Are you in favor of allowing me to have all my contributions with interest right now...before I retire?

And no more contributions?

Presently above 15% of my business income?

Scribbler1
03-20-2008, 03:03 AM
if banks should be allowed to faulter then humans should be allowed to too right?Who said banks SHOULD be allowed to falter?

PatrickHenry
03-20-2008, 03:04 AM
I did. Their depositors are insured up to $100,000.

But why should the taxpayer bail out lenders who make bad loans?