Some statistics on race & crime

[dsanthony]

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/race.htm
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/tables/ovrelracetab.htm

A link to the Bureau of Justice.Â*Â*In 2004, the last year in which statistics are available:

Blacks, who make up approximately 13% of the US population, committed 52.1% of the homicides in the US.

Blacks committed 59.1% of all felony murders in the US, and 65.1% of drug-related homicides.

While overwhelmingly, most murders are committed by member of the same race (probably because a large number of murders are committed by family members), there were 343 "nonacquaintance" cases where blacks murdered whites, and only 13 similar cases where whites murdered blacks.

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These are sobering statistics.Â*Â*Again, I'm sorry the libs have made it heretical to criticize urban black culture.Â*Â*But I say loudly that criticizing black culture is NOT racist.Â*Â*No more than criticizing the (largely Italian) mafia culture was racist, or the (largely white) Hell's Angels culture is racist.Â*Â*Many notable blacks (among them Thomas Sowell, Bill Cosby and others) are beginning to take responsibility for their communities and speaking out as well.

One need only watch or listen to the popular black music of the day to see how urban blacks fetishize guns, violence and hatred or abuse of women.Â*Â*Unfortunately, that culture is spreading into suburbia as well.

Libs have decreed black culture off-limits to criticism... largely because they want to keep blacks captive voters--meaning today's equivalent of barefoot and pregnant (unemployed and incarcerated).Â*Â*But that needs to change.Â*Â*

Urban "rap" culture is a cancer in America.

[Alonzo]

What should you and I do to protect ourselves from black culture? And can something be done to change black culture, or is that just what always will happen when you have a lot of blacks?

[lily]

Well, Alonzo........if protecting them from rap is the answer then I think this senator should think twice.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/metro/20060820-111547-3371r.htm

[dsanthony]

The first thing you can do is read "White liberals and black rednecks" by Thomas Sowell. He explains very clearly how liberals support a dysfunctional black urban culture to keep the majority of the black community impoverished, ignorant and dependent on white liberals as their saviors. Not surprisingly, white liberals and the welfare merchants like Jackson and Sharpton attack vicously any black who leaves the plantation and becomes a republican.

Second, having acknowledged your duplicity, you can stop making excuses for black failure and dysfunction. Raising standards increases acheivement, lowering standards creates disincentives for acheivement. Stop enabling black dysfunction by crying racism. Start crying accountability instead.

[Alonzo]

But, anthony, do you think this dysfunction is a natural result of a large black population, or a result based on culture and nothing more? If its the latter than change can occur, if it's the former then change may still occur, but only to an extent.

And, in the meantime, what should be done to protect ourselves from this culture? Or should nothing be done?

[dsanthony]

Again, you're a false poster. Can you write anything except "how long have you been beating your wife?" I don't think so.

Your drive to paint anyone who disagrees with you as a racist is cheap. I won't make the logical conclusion here.

Move on.org. If you want to address the points I raised, do so.

Dealing with you, I have much more sympathy with what Galileo must have endured before the inquisition. You're a dogmatist and twist everything to fit your prior assumptions. That's the generous conclusion. The least generous one is that you intentionally subvert the truth to further your agenda.

[Alonzo]

You post a topic, and refuse to answer questions about it. Why? When have I, or any else here, done the same?

The ability to improve the society is central to this point. Can it be fully fixed, partially fixed, or are we stuck with it? And, if we have a dangerous element of society, what do we do and how do we live with it? Is this something we want near our children?

If you're not going to actually discuss the issues you bring up then why even bother? You post stuff and then refuse to answer any questions.

[dsanthony]

If you're not going to read or respond to what I write, and just quote from the playbook you've been programmed to follow, please don't bother posting to me. You are a dogmatist and zealot.

[Alonzo]

Anthony, you've dodged virtually every single question I've asked of you, and even refuse to discuss the issues you yourself bring up.

Also, I haven't accuse you of racism, the only people I've called racist here is PAD and Chess. Chess openly advocates that many blacks would be better off as slaves (I can get the posts if you want, it was blatant), and PAD condemns anyone who does not hate arabs. Once he even condemned a poster for disputing the idea that arab lives are worthless. Outside of those two, I have not accused anyone of racism. I have reached no conclusion about you.Â*

Actually, I don't believe I've used any labels in discussing with you, I haven't even called you a conservative.

[dsanthony]

zo, you're not intelligent enough to play with me. You ask loaded questions to paint me as a racist. I have no respect for you or your intelligence. I'll follow Lily's example and no longer respond to any of your posts.

[Alonzo]

Anthony, if your going to refuse to even answer questions then why post? It's almost as if you are ashamed of your opinion, whatever it is. I'd never make a topic or response and then refuse to answer questions about it. It's not as if you've already answered these questions, or they're absurd questions that no one would ever answer a certain way to, such as do you support mass murder. The answer to that's obviously no.

[BoogyMan]

What should you and I do to protect ourselves from black culture? And can something be done to change black culture, or is that just what always will happen when you have a lot of blacks?


Washington Post Article: Is Bill Cosby Right? (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/17/AR2006081701025.html)
NPR Article: Juan Williams on African-American 'Victimhood' (http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5618023)

[Labrocca]

What should you and I do to protect ourselves from black culture?


That's the wrong question. You ask it twice in this thread.Â*Â*It's not a matter of protecting ourselves from black culture..it's a matter of changing the culture.Â*Â*I think Anthony is right about Sharpton and some liberals that keep the black caucus in a web of reverse racism and blame just about every problem they have on skin color.Â*Â*If you speak to a lot of African, Carribeans, and South American blacks...they don't like black americans.Â*Â*They are considered lazy and talk nothing but race.Â*Â*My wife is Jamaican...she can't stand the CULTURE of black americans.Â*Â*Personally I think it leaves something to be desired. As pointed out..even guys like Bill Crosby speak out against it.

There are a couple good black authors out there that try to reach out to black americans to become better than their current culture.

This is a touchy subject here but most of the media that pushes the negativity of black culture isn't even owned by blacks.Â*Â*Watch Spikes Lees "do the right thing"...lots of truth in that movie.

http://www.nationalblackrepublicans.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=pages.BlackGOP&tp_preview=true&x=2446586

That's a great site for black republicans...nice list of members.

I can't find a site listing prominent black democrats.Â*Â*I know a few but where is this list of popular influential people?

I had a friend once..good friend actually. Black guy from Connecticut.Â*Â*He had a twisted upbringing...his father was Carribean.Â*Â*My buddy (Nigel) considered just about everything to be in racial terms.Â*Â*He grew up in all white neighborhood, all white school...then one day he realized he was black and it was suddenly the cause of all his problems.Â*Â*Meanwhile he got hooked on drugs and his dad disowned him and sent him away.Â*Â*Oddly he felt his dad was a cracker (yes Nigel actually said that).Â*Â* I used to argue vehemently with Nigel about race...oddly I don't even recall what was said but they were deep arguments.Â*Â*At one point we hated each other...later we became even better friends.Â*Â*I loved the guy...he just had this twisted view on race.Â*Â*I think when I married a black woman he realized I wasn't the racist bastard he thought.

Race is an incredibly touchy subject for a lot of people.Â*Â*I think dsanthony brings up good points that touch a nerve on people because if they agree they might be viewed as racist.Â*Â*Does wanting to help black americans become better citizens mean you're a racist?Â*Â*If you think RAP music that is about bitches, hoes, drugs, pimping, bling bling, guns, and a slew of other negatives is terrible music and brings down the culture of blacks does that make you a racist?Â*Â*Does not wanting to live in a crime ridden community that is 80% black make you a racist?Â*Â*

What makes someone a racist?

btw...here is a great excerpt to read.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5618023

[Alonzo]

labrocca, the issue with anthony is not the opinion itself, it's how he presents it that's questionable. There's one obvious reason why I know you're not racist against blacks, and you also have condemned racism against blacks more than once.

I honestly believe that even a segregationist could be non racist. I've never met or heard of one that wasn't racist, but it's technically possible. Due to things like that, and the fact that I've been accussed of anti-semitism countless times, I'm not one to throw around the accusation of racist, it's not something I say unless I'm certain. And even then, I only use the term with the groups that I know the person has issues with, I don't generalize it to others.Â*Â*

I've never seen Anthony condemn racism. He gets defensive at even the suggestion that someone is racist, such as the accusation that George Allen is possibly racist. There's no "racism is wrong but X, Y, Z", like most posters here will say or imply. There also seems to be the assumption that if blacks were involved then they must have done something, since blacks cause so much trouble (which was the difference between his response and lily's in the bus thread). His adamant insistance that races were different subspecies due to the "obvious" biological differences was also interesting. The level of his understanding of what that implies I don't know, but normally when there are different types or breeds of a species (such as in dogs) the differences go beyond the physical. The mind as well differs significantly, in intelligence, aggression, social capabilities etc. What he considers the differences to be I don't really know. One other thing that caught my attention was his insistence that conquests in europe that occured in the past 4 centuries were identical to conquests in Africa, something I found odd considering they generally didn't involve large scale capture of slaves.

But you'll notice that I haven't accused him of racism, and I don't know that he is. I have suspicions, but I don't know. He brings up race related issues yet refuses to debate them, even when others have answered the same question. It gives the appearance that he doesn't want to lie, but also doesn't want to state his opinion since he doesn't want to be considered racist. Wanting to know where he stands on the issue of race and race relations is reasonable, considering these issues concern race.

Yeah I am sure this is common...however one has to wonder which of the two stories happens more often? Blacks attacking whites or vice versa? According to statistics quoted in this thread it would appear that blacks attack whites more often? And as my personal experience tells me...race can easily be a motivation for the blacks.

Percentage wise, blacks attacks whites more often. But interracial crime is not the same as a racially motivated crime, such as what you described. I haven't seen statistics showing that blacks engage in more racially motivated violent crime, the statistics I've seen suggested otherwise.

By Bias Motivation
In 2004, racial bias motivated more than half (53.9 percent) of the 9,021 reported offenses within single-bias hate crime incidents; religious bias accounted for 16.4 percent; bias regarding sexual orientation, 15.6 percent; ethnicity or national origin, 13.3 percent; and disability bias, 0.8 percent.Â*Â*

Law enforcement agencies reported 4,863 offenses within single-bias incidents that were motivated by the offender’s racial bias.Â*Â* Among those offenses, 67.5 percent resulted from an anti-black bias, and 20.5 percent were due to an anti-white bias.Â*Â* Slightly more than 5 percent (5.2) of racially motivated incidents were driven by an anti-Asian or Pacific Islander bias, 2.0 percent involved a bias against American Indian or Alaskan Native races, and 4.8 percent were directed at groups of individuals in which more than one race was represented (multiple races, group).Â*Â*

Of the 1,480 reported offenses within single-bias incidents that were motivated by the offender’s religious bias, 67.8 percent were anti-Jewish, 13.0 percent were anti-Islamic, 3.9 percent were anti-Catholic, 2.9 percent were anti-Protestant, and 0.5 percent were anti-Atheism or Agnosticism. Bias against other (unspecified) religions accounted for 9.5 percent of the hate crime offenses motivated by religious bias, and bias against groups of individuals of varying religions (anti-multiple religions, group) accounted for 2.5 percent.Â*Â*

In 2004, bias against a particular sexual orientation accounted for 1,406 offenses within single-bias hate crime incidents.Â*Â* Law enforcement agencies reported that 60.8 percent of these offenses resulted from an anti-male homosexual bias, 21.1 percent from an anti-homosexual bias, 14.3 percent from an anti-female homosexual bias, 2.5 percent from an anti-heterosexual bias, and 1.3 percent from an anti-bisexual bias.Â*Â*

Law enforcement agencies classify hate crimes that are motivated by a bias against an ethnicity or national origin into one of two categories: anti-Hispanic or anti-other ethnicity/national origin. In 2004, agencies reported 1,201 offenses within single-bias incidents motivated by the offender’s bias against an ethnicity or national origin. Of these offenses, 50.9 percent were motivated by anti-Hispanic bias, and 49.1 percent were directed against other ethnicities or national origins. (Based on Table 1.)

Hate crimes that are committed because of a bias against a disability are classified as either anti-physical disability or anti-mental disability. In 2004, of the 71 offenses within single-bias incidents that were motivated by the offender’s bias against a disability, 23 were due to an anti-physical disability bias; 48 offenses were committed because of an anti-mental disability bias.Â*Â*(See Table 1.)


http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/hc2004/section1.htm

Whites make up 20% of race related hate crime incidents, yet they make up 80% (drops to about 70% if hispanics are excluded) of the population. Blacks make up 12% of the population, yet 67% of such incidents.

https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/us.html


Personally, the majority of my friends have always been non white. I don't really understand why, since the clear majority of possible friends were white, yet it never turned out that way. The only time I've ever felt targeted due to race occured in predominately asian areas in Toronto, but they were more subtle. Once I was told a restaurant was closed, only to see them seat an asian couple just as I walked out the door. Other than that, a few "why are you here" looks. Yet, at the same time, I'd often listen to white people complain about how asians were taking over toronto (the same way americans view hispanics). In the boston area there's a lot of subtle racism, and some verbal. You walk into a store and a minority friend gets asked 5 times if they need any help and is watched like a hawk, yet I don't even get asked once or glanced at, regardless of whether they're dressed well or not. Or they get called terrorist and osama by coworkers. Out of myself and my friends, I can only think of one definately race related physical incident, which occured shortly after 9/11. Kinda funny actually, since the kid who attacked him lost the fight.

[Labrocca]

imho it's not important to call out a racist here. This is a discussions forums. It could be dsanthony struggles even with his own beliefs. In America there truely is white guilt and to be labeled a racist is not a comfortable feeling. I been called a racist so many times by black people that it's sick. Often times when I was kicking a thief out of my store they labelled me a racist for doing so. It of course upset me often enough but I wasn't going to let a guys steal in my store simply because I was afraid of being branded. The people that know me personally don't think I have racial issues.

In America....race is still a heated topic with much debate still left in it. Since I wasn't born during the civil rights era I can't say how far we have come but seemingly it's pretty far. Sometimes I wonder though if the advancement has been from mostly white people that just want bygones to be bygones. I think the average black american still harbors resentment and white america knows this. My personal belief is integration will eventually work.

America is very very new. We are not Americans...we are African-Americans, Italian-Americans, and so on. It may take 200-300 years more before we are just a grey America instead of black, white, yellow, and brown.

If someone wants to have negative racial views I don't bother with them. IMHO they have lost and just don't know it yet. The writing is on the wall. America will be integrated eventually..the faster we help our black brothers to become Americans the better this country will be. We need better urban education for the black communities. We need to show black america that all of america cares about all it's citizens. I think the laws are basically there for that. I think our government truly tries in this regard. However whenever 1 person has a racial tick...it becomess huge news and I think that's the great harm. Giving others the impression that racism is strong in America when imho it's not. As a regular white guy I rarely meet other white guys that say anything bad about blacks. Not that it doesn't happen but in general white people aren't sitting around looking to get a hanging in or to burn a cross. Americans are mostly self-absorbed with trying to get theirs. However I think black americans are quick to blame their issues on racism simply because that's what their civil leaders tell them.

There are prominent blacks that agree. Again...if you get a moment read this.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story...Id=5618023

Anyways..I am not sure if I am on topic or where this thread is headed.

[dsanthony]

Some good points Lab... but I have NO white guilt. I've never owned slaves or discriminated against anyone based on their race.

MLK's famous speech called for a nation where people are judged on the content of their character. That is all I am doing.

[dsanthony]

Another good point. I hate the word "integrated" but you're right that America will settle on a dominant political culture. Either mainstream blacks will become like Colin Powell, or white children will become eminem. I think you know how I feel about that. Hwood and the media lionize rap culture, ignoring the violence and ignorance behind that movement. Children, being stupid as a rule, follow wherever hwood tells them to to.

[dsanthony]

One more comment, rocca. zo's "questions" are not to further the dicussion. He is performing a litmus test, searching for any clues or hints of "racism" which he can denounce. He said so himself in his response to you. My opinions are "questionable"... he denounces me for never having "condemned racism", by inference I must be a racist myself.

He's performing a one-man inquisition here, in which I will not participate. When I refused the answer, he used the usual reply "why, do you have something to hide." Your trust in him is poorly chosen.

[Alonzo]

imho it's not important to call out a racist here.Â*Â*This is a discussions forums.Â*Â*It could be dsanthony struggles even with his own beliefs.Â*Â*In America there truely is white guilt and to be labeled a racist is not a comfortable feeling.Â*Â*I been called a racist so many times by black people that it's sick.Â*Â*Often times when I was kicking a thief out of my store they labelled me a racist for doing so.Â*Â*It of course upset me often enough but I wasn't going to let a guys steal in my store simply because I was afraid of being branded.Â*Â*The people that know me personally don't think I have racial issues.

In America....race is still a heated topic with much debate still left in it.Â*Â*Since I wasn't born during the civil rights era I can't say how far we have come but seemingly it's pretty far.Â*Â*Sometimes I wonder though if the advancement has been from mostly white people that just want bygones to be bygones.Â*Â*I think the average black american still harbors resentment and white america knows this.Â*Â*My personal belief is integration will eventually work.

America is very very new.Â*Â*We are not Americans...we are African-Americans, Italian-Americans, and so on.Â*Â*It may take 200-300 years more before we are just a grey America instead of black, white, yellow, and brown.

If someone wants to have negative racial views I don't bother with them.Â*Â*IMHO they have lost and just don't know it yet.Â*Â*The writing is on the wall.Â*Â*America will be integrated eventually..the faster we help our black brothers to become Americans the better this country will be.Â*Â*We need better urban education for the black communities.Â*Â*We need to show black america that all of america cares about all it's citizens.Â*Â*I think the laws are basically there for that.Â*Â*I think our government truly tries in this regard.Â*Â*However whenever 1 person has a racial tick...it becomess huge news and I think that's the great harm.Â*Â*Giving others the impression that racism is strong in America when imho it's not.Â*Â*As a regular white guy I rarely meet other white guys that say anything bad about blacks.Â*Â*Not that it doesn't happen but in general white people aren't sitting around looking to get a hanging in or to burn a cross.Â*Â*Americans are mostly self-absorbed with trying to get theirs.Â*Â*However I think black americans are quick to blame their issues on racism simply because that's what their civil leaders tell them.

There are prominent blacks that agree.Â*Â*Again...if you get a moment read this.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story...Id=5618023

Anyways..I am not sure if I am on topic or where this thread is headed.


The primary issue now is subtle racism. Such as assuming a black person did something when a white person behaves the same way and gets no suspicion. Or attaching various characteristics to blacks, be it job seekers, those seeking goods and services etc. It may not consciously be because they're black, but their being black fits a predetermined description of who the problem people are, which leads to treating one group of people one way and whites another. I've seen plenty of that racism throughout my life directed at friends of mine, and rarely at me.

Though, I have no experience with the south. Considering even in 2000 south caroline (and alabama 2 years before) only had about 60% of people who wanted interracial marriage to be legal (according to voting results), I have to wonder if it isn't different in some southern areas and more blatant racism is visible.

But my interest in anthony is primarily because A. I want to know his opinion on the issue, B. there are certain ways I'll debate depending on the posters opinion, for example I would argue about muslims differently with PAD than with boogeyman, due to their widely different opinions on Muslims, and C. it's entertaining.

But, again though, even if I don't agree with an opinion, it's usually not the opinion itself that I would find problematic, it's how it's being presented. Saying that there's a problem with the black community is different than assuming that an issue involving blacks must be due to them, since they're black and blacks cause so many problems. The arguments you posted (except I can't read the last one, since the link doesn't work), and the argument you've made, take the former opinion, not the latter. Anthony, on the other hand, seems to often take the latter.

But I rarely use labels, and barring a proclamation like "Blacks were better off as slaves" or "all X lives are worthless", I don't go around labeling people as racists.

[Labrocca]

I think you are describing prejudice not sublte racism. I think more outward racism may exist more in the south...that's why my wife refuses to love down there or even visit. I visited ATL a couple times and it seemed people were more segragated there. In NYC people are heavily intermingled. In Vegas it's pretty mixed as well.

MLK's famous speech called for a nation where people are judged on the content of their character. That is all I am doing.

It's very understandable. btw...did you know that MLK was a Republican. IMHO the party doesn't care about color...we care about politics. It's the dems that bring race into every equation they can. It was lincoln (republican) that freed the slaves. It is MLK that has a national holiday.

Anyways...what's next for this rather twisted thread.

[dsanthony]

I don't know what's next. As usual, zo or another liberal has hijacked the topic from discussing race and crime into minutae and "subtle??" charges of racism. It's a way of avoiding dealing with the facts presented.

But, if anyone else would like to return to the initial post, I'm more than happy to get back on topic. Black "rap" culture is as dysfunctional and destructive as the mafia culture, or the hell's angels culture. More and more blacks are beginning to speak out against it, but hwood and the media are strong forces to turn back.

But, with Dem pandering to the baser instinct of the black community, let me ask one question. Can anyone here (without doing an internet search) name a strong black leader who is not a welfare merchant, rap artist or pro athlete?

Chances are, if you're honest, the first and likely only names you can come up with are the names of prominent Republicans. That should tell you something, if you're brave enough to listen.

[lily]

Labrocca "Anyways...what's next for this rather twisted thread."

imho it's not important to call out a racist here.

No it isn't. But posting articles and then refusing to discuss them, leads
one to jump to conclusions. Either you have no opinion, which would lead one
to ask why post the article, or you are ashamed of your opinion.

In America there truly is white guilt and to be labeled a racist is not a
comfortable feeling. I been called a racist so many times by black people
that it's sick.

Working on the "infamous" 8 Mile......I bet I have you beat! Which leads me
to ask the question to myself, if maybe that makes me more sensitive to racial slurs? Being
dark complected, having a name that is common both with Hispanics and Blacks,
having curly hair........I got called all three racial slurs.


However I think black Americans are quick to blame their issues on racism
simply because that's what their civil leaders tell them.

I'm going to have toÂ*Â*disagree with this. By the time people are old
enough to even know the difference between races, to even listen to what
their civil leaders say, it was taught to them from childhood. We tend to
choose what we believe from our leaders to what we already believe in.
That's why when say Allen said what he did, it was shocking to some and to
others, they couldn't understand what the big deal was.

America is very very new. We are not Americans...we are African-Americans, Italian-Americans, and so on. It may take 200-300 years more before we are just a grey America instead of black, white, yellow, and brown.


Bear with me, while I go on a little rant here.....as I said, I was a child when bussing started. You would think the sky was falling and it would be the end of civilization as we know it. Going to a Catholic School, Blacks were rare. Tuition was high and neighborhoods weren't segregated then. The few Blacks that could attend, were rare and the rest of the school body went out of their way to make them feel welcomed. The entire school learned a lot.

When my kids went to school, it was normal to have Blacks. Hispanics were looked down upon then.

Now that my grandkids are in school, it's the Middle Easterners that are at the bottom of the totem pole.

America is not ever going to become truly integrated, as there is always one race, through generations that will be looked down upon. Nothing will change, until we ourselves teach our youths that all men are created equal.......but there will always be someone that wants/needs to feel superior.

<end rant>

If someone wants to have negative racial views I don't bother with them.
IMHO they have lost and just don't know it yet.

...but then how would you change someone's viewpoint? To me, no one is a
lost cause.

[Labrocca]

Bear with me, while I go on a little rant here.....as I said, I was a child when bussing started. You would think the sky was falling and it would be the end of civilization as we know it. Going to a Catholic School, Blacks were rare. Tuition was high and neighborhoods weren't segregated then. The few Blacks that could attend, were rare and the rest of the school body went out of their way to make them feel welcomed. The entire school learned a lot.

I think you made my point lily. Eventually America will have successfully integrated every race. Then we will be Americans...look how far we have come in just 50 years...so imagine 200. I am pretty sure most of EU had these same issues when France or Germany sucked up new races. Now they are all just French or Germans. The same went for the UK..there are still tensions with the Irish there. IMHO Americans will find new ways to divide beyond race. It could be religion as that is an eternal struggle that has always occurred. I commend you lily for telling us a bit more of yourself and your personal history. It gives us perspective. I had heard you were a bit older now that's confirmed. I look forward to hearing more stories from you and your opinions.

I believe Americans have racial prejudices and that institutional racism to oppress people is dwindling very quickly. Our justice system has done a fair job of giving people equality. Eventually peoples minds will follow.

[lily]

I am pretty sure most of EU had these same issues when France or Germany sucked up new races. Now they are all just French or Germans. The same went for the UK..there are still tensions with the Irish there. IMHO Americans will find new ways to divide beyond race. It could be religion as that is an eternal struggle that has always occurred.

England and Ireland was because of Religion. You mention France and Germany though as being more tolerant, unless I'm mis-understanding. France had the riots which was due to the poor immigrants from Africa and Muslim neighborhoods. Germany still has a large group of skinheads or Arian Youth, even though it is against the law.



I commend you lily for telling us a bit more of yourself and your personal history. It gives us perspective. I had heard you were a bit older now that's confirmed. I look forward to hearing more stories from you and your opinions.

Well.........I guess I don't have to put my teeth in to type. ;):P

[Anti-Racism]

Blacks, who make up approximately 13% of the US population, committed 52.1% of the homicides in the US.

Blacks committed 59.1% of all felony murders in the US, and 65.1% of drug-related homicides.

Most of these were committed against other black people. It's a tragedy. What can a government do to change this?

[Anti-Racism]

Eventually America will have successfully integrated every race.

And then what will happen?